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27-06-03, 08:34
I mean, its weird that you fight kurtis(bad guy in Nephilm form) when you get to fight him. I think this ruins the whole experience of an extra charater.

[ 27. June 2003, 18:32: Message edited by: obiwanquinobi ]

27-06-03, 09:25
I agree that the whole situation is pretty fu#!ed up. Also you probably should have put a different title because people who haven't beaten the game now know that kurtis is the last boss and are probably ****ed that they found out from you and didnt find out themselves. Just be careful on the titles next time. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/music2.gif

27-06-03, 09:29
Yes could you change the title please!

Man thats the biggest spoiler i've seen http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif

27-06-03, 09:38
Yes, moderators, please change or remove the title from this thread.

Lleonard Pler
27-06-03, 10:07
Thank you for spoiling me the whole game. Very kind from your part. Since due to the succesive delays I won't be able to play until, I don't know, 2006 or something, it's "great" to know how the game ends... :mad:

Fugitive Lara
27-06-03, 10:38
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif YOU F%$£&^( B*&$*!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

27-06-03, 10:41
Fugitive be nice.

Spike J Wolfwood
27-06-03, 10:45
Originally posted by Rommie:
Fugitive be nice.If you ask me she’s being polite given the situation. This really makes me want to break something........... :mad:

27-06-03, 11:00
I'm just as upset as you guys, but shouting and swearing at other members isn't nessasary.

Whats done is done.

27-06-03, 11:03
Ok, where are the mods?????? This HAS to change before it ruins the end for even more people! Europe doesn't even have the game yet!

I thought about spilling my guts in discust here over this little incident, but I think that thought is well enough of a statement...

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I did NOT want to know this!

Fugitive Lara
27-06-03, 11:13
if only I was a mod :rolleyes: ... *hint hint* ;)

27-06-03, 11:53
Oh, dear... That would be scary! ;) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

27-06-03, 12:00
Thank you SOOOOOOO much!!
Spoiled the whole game..Man!!
Delete this post,immediatly, that no-one else is going to be spoiled!

#¤%¤##!&# !!!!! http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/mad/1/mad72.gif

Lleonard Pler
27-06-03, 12:13
Won't any moderator change the title of this post???

The game keeps delaying and delaying and we even know its ending because of one awful spoiler-title. Is any one longer excited about this game? :confused:

27-06-03, 12:17
There are no Mods here at the moment Lleonard ;)

Fugitive Lara
27-06-03, 12:25

27-06-03, 12:27
Originally posted by SephirothsCloud:
I mean, its weird that you fight kurtis(bad guy in Nephilm form) when you get to fight him. I think this ruins the whole experience of an extra charater.****HEAD!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

27-06-03, 12:29
Originally posted by FuGiTiVe LaRa:

27-06-03, 12:46

27-06-03, 13:12

I really wish I hadn't opened this post now!!!

Oh well, what's done is done.

I'll just have to make sure I keep this little secret from the rest of the family.Hopefully I won't have to keep it for long ;)

27-06-03, 13:13
TSK tsk....

Please refrain from posting spoilers - it will ruin the game for others.

There will be more mods here soon..

Watch this space! ;)

27-06-03, 13:18
Wonderful.....Thanks alot for that......not. Gees did you not think for a moment that those of us have been avoiding spoilers?

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

27-06-03, 13:35
kurtis is the bad guy? that's so bad i started to get used to him... i don't mind for spoilers, can anyone tell me what happened in the end?

27-06-03, 13:38
Originally posted by galaxia2999:
kurtis is the bad guy? that's so bad i started to get used to him... i don't mind for spoilers, can anyone tell me what happened in the end?galaxia2999:

If you want to know about the game, why dont you ask the other forum user via his e-mail or PM him.

You may not mind spoilers, but I (and the rest of the forum users) do mind.

Please spare a thought for other people; Its not too much to ask!

27-06-03, 13:44
i wonder if there is someone who creates the story for tombraider, well at least one who has done for aod, now after finding this spoiler i find the story WEIRD, i mean really WEIRD. THE CREATOR MUST BE VERY WEIRD.

27-06-03, 13:44
SPOILERS AND REBUTTAL BELOW. Read at your own peril.

I have to disagree with your speculation that the bad guy at the end of the game is Kurtis. The cut scene shows that the Nephilim can morph into various people at various times, such as Eckhardt, and we clearly know that Eckhardt is a separate person.

Thus to simply assume that Kurtis was the Nephilim the entire game is to ignore the parts of the cut scene showing the Nephilim as other, real people. Furthermore, it is fairly obvious at the end that the Nephilim is connected to the Sleeper and that the Nephilim's power is derived from the Sleeper. Once the Sleeper is destroyed, you also destroy the Nephilim. Eidos/Core has made the ending obscure so as to leave open other paths, but the hint is that Kurtis is still alive as his blade is tugging Lara into a particular direction. She gives a sly smile at the end indicating she understands the meaning of this.

Either the Nephilim is like an agent in the Matrix that can morph into various people at various times or it could be lying to Lara. How do we know that the Nephilim's story as related to Lara is true?

There is no hard and fast evidence to suggest that Kurtis is the Nephilim but rather that the Nephilim was once Kurtis.

Anti-Polar Bear
27-06-03, 14:40
Thank You lampe3d!

Since I read this post this morning, I've been pasting together all the facts of this, as I don't have AOD yet. I gathered most of that, but couldn't put this into words.

Now, one thing that occured to me is the fact that Kurtis has occult powers. And we've seen him use them. Now, if the Nephilm was Kurtis, they'd only assume his form, not actually everything about him. So how was it able to use them if he didn't have them in the first place?

Also, since I haven't played it yet, after Lara and Kurtis partner up, is there any part where Kurtis drops out of the game? Just sort of leaves? Perhaps, perhaps one part of the game features normal Kurtis, and the other has Imposter-Kurtis... Just a thought.

But none the less, thank you. You've translated all my thinking into words I couldn't find. Thanks.

27-06-03, 15:24
Oh, now I`m mad. WHY the F*** did you post spoilers without warning?

Won`t swear. In english.

Jævla faens drittsekk!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

27-06-03, 15:27

I looked very fats away, but I knew already that I knew to much... how sad. I hope I didn't read good.

27-06-03, 16:11
Oh man, this is the biggest spoiler I've read in my entire life http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yuck.gif

27-06-03, 16:16

27-06-03, 16:19
Originally posted by Thorir:
Jævla faens drittsekk!!!!LMAO!!! Bra sagt, Thorir!!! Jag håller med!!

27-06-03, 16:24
Oops. :D

27-06-03, 16:28
:D Hehe, vilken otur va? Det räknade du allt inte med!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Men det var bra sagt! :D

27-06-03, 16:34

27-06-03, 17:01
tlr - can you edit the first post or the title to include "MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD" please. I just happened on this thread also and now I know. :(

27-06-03, 17:04
We have been pleading all day Trinity but to no avail SIGH

27-06-03, 18:34
The mods missed this one this afternoon, and I just got my Mod status a little while ago.

I changed the title of the thread, a bit late I know but it was the best I could do in the circumstances.


27-06-03, 18:38
Good work Obi!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/hug.gif Congrats on becoming a Mod!! You must be real exited! What did you do to become one?

27-06-03, 18:40
I was a very good pupil at Jedi School http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif

27-06-03, 18:44
Contrats, Obi! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/wave.gif

It`s a pretty lame question anyways... Why is Sephiroth the baddie in FF7? Why is Umbrella baddies in Resident Evil? What kind of answer could the poster expect anyways...

He probably did it to spoil for us others! Evil!!! :mad: :mad: Lara should kick his a$$! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/clown.gif

Scandinavian power, Nat! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/grouphug.gif

[ 27. June 2003, 19:46: Message edited by: Thorir ]

27-06-03, 19:14
Originally posted by obiwanquinobi:
I was a very good pupil at Jedi School http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/jumper.gif hehe, I should have guessed... :rolleyes: Pardon me_____

27-06-03, 19:16
Originally posted by Thorir:
Scandinavian power, Nat! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/grouphug.gif Totally!!! There are a few of us here, we could be the official forum vikings!!! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/yikes.gif http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/silent.gif lol http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/whistle.gif

27-06-03, 19:39
I Cant beleive this i just bought the game 4 $50.00 and i already know what happens in the end :(

27-06-03, 21:47
Awwwwwwww Man!!!!This really sucks!!I opened this and i haven't even beat the game yet!!Well the whole "i wonder what the ending is?" really got sucked out of me!!try not to put titles like this anymore pleaz!! :(

27-06-03, 21:52
Theres nothing wrong with the title anymore Obiwan has labled it a spoiler ;)

27-06-03, 22:23
Well why are you annoyed with this thread? I mean, you know who the last boss is but you don't really know what situations led to this thing right? So the game is not THAT spoiled! :D

* Post edited. WARNING! Mind your language or you will loose your membership here! Admin.

[ 27. June 2003, 23:28: Message edited by: tlr online ]

28-06-03, 01:15
I'm totally bummed! I thought Kurtis was going to be Lara's new boyfriend :( That just sucks...I don't even think I want to play anymore.

28-06-03, 01:53
actually as long as kurtis is not the REAL BAD GUY then i'll give a relief, but by viewing the posts does it mean that eckhart is not a bad guy too??

28-06-03, 02:01
This is to all of the people who are bummed out because they think that kurtis is the last boss. There is still hope that kurtis is not the last boss because the last boss assumes the forms of many people. One of which is echardt or whatever his name is and we all know that he is his own person (or at least was :D ) Also at the end of the last scinematic lara picks up kurtis's bladed weapons and it starts to move her in the direction of a big door. My theory is that it is leading her to the real kurtis who is injured from the stab throught the chest but hopefully not dead. When the sequel comes out i guess we will all know. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/music2.gif

30-06-03, 09:22
********* MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD***********

Maybe we need to be looking for Biblical stuff from the Old Testiment.

Like Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve. David and Goliath. A Babtismal Font.

Think about it. Satan is Eckhardt/Kerel. He's a shape shifter, right? Wasn't Satan the one who told Eve to eat the fruit. Wasn't he a SERPENT?

[ 30. June 2003, 17:40: Message edited by: tevky ]