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tlr online
30-12-03, 21:58
Simply put. Core Design or Crystal Dynamics (to develop the next game)
tlr online
30-12-03, 21:59
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Definately Core Design! :D :D :D
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Hmmm...
Core Design did a great job with the previous Tomb Raiders, but AoD was rushed way too much. If they had been allowed more time to finish it, AoD would have been amazing.
I've heard great things about Crystal Dynamics, but I'm a bit weary of them. There have been no official statements from them yet and there is a lot of speculation as to what they're going to do with TR7.
It's hard to say which one should have control of designing TR7 and thereafter. We still have to wait and see how CD does on TR7 before we can really judge them and if they're worthy to do TR.
lara bahun
30-12-03, 22:31
Core Design all the way
I want to see what Crystal Dynamics has to offer first before I vote on this.
Core Design has done a brilliant job with TR so far (excluding AOD, but its not entirely their fault), but I would still like to see what Crystal has in store.
(Edit): I just read that "...to develop the next game" part, so I guess I'll choose Crystal D. for said reasons. :D
[ 30. December 2003, 22:43: Message edited by: TRelic ]
Richard_trle
31-12-03, 13:03
Definately Core Design! ;)
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qwerasdfzxcv
31-12-03, 13:19
Core Design all the way.
Don't forget, it was EIDOS's fault that AOD was rushed and subsequently an unfinished game. It was down to EIDOS rushing it through so they could get results for their shareholders, nothing more.
It was EIDOS that didn't care if the fans got a substandard product, not Core. If Core had been given the time they needed, it would have been a much better game.
Stick with the team that have proven they can do it.
I have seen what 'Core Design' has done to make Tomb Raider what it is today.
I am satisfied with all the Tomb Raider games but would like to see what CD can do to a 'Tomb Raider' game.
Although I always support 'Core Design' because they developed 'Tomb Raider', it will be very interesting to see what CD will do with a Tomb Raider game.
Can CD give us the Tomb Raider that we want or more? Or will we be crying out for 'Core designs' reinstatment?
Only time will tell......... http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Since seeing that CORE logo stamped in iron ore from the very first tomb raider i have been an avid fan of their work http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
tombraider0616
31-12-03, 17:52
i dont think its fair to automatically say Core, which many of you have done because none of us have seen what CD is capable of doing and accomplishing...
i cant wait to see what CD does with TR....its gonna be so crazy!
and if u think about it....perhaps if core was still in charge of TR, then they could have POSSIBLY lead it to its demise......
change is sometimes a good thing.
Since I don't know what Crystal Dynamics are going to do with TR, I have to stick with Core Design ;)
Maybe they might do a better job, but I rather see TR pre AOD anyday :D
Mighty m333
31-12-03, 19:55
core design is-(was) the core of TR
charlie904
31-12-03, 20:58
i wanna just see wat crystal dynamics could do. im just really curious.
I have to go with Crystal Dynamics. Sure Core did a great job, but CD seems like a good company and will bring a new feeling to TR because it's a new set of people with different ideas and approaches. I'm not sure some people would like that, but TR seems redundant over the years and AOD to most people was a horrible change. The series still needs a good change, and CD can do that (hopefully!).
I'm confused.. why are we voting? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Originally posted by Lady Ann:
I'm confused.. why are we voting? http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I'm sorry Trin that's like questioning tlr, we can't have that http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
BrittScythe4375
01-01-04, 04:07
Wow, this is a tough question! http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
However, just as tombraider0616 said, I also think it's not quite fair for everyone to automatically vote Core, just because it's the company we're all accustomed to. Let's take a look at the two companies, shall we? :D
Unfortunately, Core is at a disadvantage, simply because it's made so few games. It is very true that being the main designer of the Tomb Raider games has rolled in plenty of money, but that money is the main cash flow for the company. I'm sure few people can mention any more than three or four games made by Core. :\ It's good to see that Core is very good at what it does, though--the Tomb Raider series itself has insured that Core Design, Ltd. will forever be known in the minds of tomb raiders, even if they do retire completely from developing the games. :D
For Crystal Dynamics, however, the going is much easier. For example, it's almost insured that more than a few people have heard of the infamous Legacy of Kain series (Soul Reaver, Blood Omen, Defiance), which CD have had under their belts, even prior to now (excluding the brand new LoK: Defiance). If anyone is to observe these games, I'm sure they'd agree with me in saying that they have great storylines (plots), graphics, and overall gameplay. I'm also sure anyone who would agree with me in the latter would agree with me when I say that the games are only improving (I just finished LoK: Defiance; it's a fantastic game!).
What's more, CD also developed the well-known Gex and Fighting Force series. It seems Crystal Dynamics is a company of skill and variety. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
So, in conclusion, I can only say that I am undecided. :D While Crystal Dynamics is a great company, Core will always remain in my heart as the original company that brought us the originals. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
I cant believe that eidos, took Tombraider away from core design, i think its not that people are accustomed to Core Design, i think they just see whats fair. I think people should think about who bought us Tombraider in the beggining and really think hard peeps because it wasnt COre Design it was Eidos who ruined AOD. Money money money, all the time! Vote whats right!
I agree entirely AOD was rushed through the door and Core suffered and so did we . Bring back the brothers and lets have some proper raiding.
I expected so much from AOD, I can't believe Core made so many mistakes (in my humble point of view). They promised a lot of improvements but they failed and the final product did a lot of damage to the franchise. :(
I want to be surprised now, I want to see a real "next gen" TR game with a brand new perspective on the franchise. I played some games from CD and they were quite polished, I'd be glad to see the same quality in TR7. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
RavenLettan
05-01-04, 02:05
considering last i heard the original staff that created Tomb Raider, most had walked out last Christmas prior to AoD's release and the rest walked out after Adrian was "allowed" to resign... what does it matter who makes it now?
SeanCurran
05-01-04, 06:48
Okay bottom line is that. Core created and gave life to Lara croft and the Tomb Generation. So to take creative rights away from the company that thought up and created such a phenomenon as the TR franchise would be a bad idea in the end. Because if you think about it whhhat does Crystal dynamics really know about creating a proper future in the history of lara when they did not raise her. Now I know I am speaking like lara is a hild, but in a sense she really is. I myself just bought TR:AOD yesterday and despite all the terrrrible reviews I happen to have allot of fun with the game.
YES it was a pretty big departure from the other games and I do feel that from what I have played so far the only bad thing to me is the controls and the loss of pushing the action button to hop onto a crate. I think that at least some of the old aspects need to come back, Gun controls are pretty confusing as well to me. I do have a small list of personal improvement requests. But I dont think it is anything that the original design company could not do. I am not nessisarily againt CD however I think CORE deserves a second chance. And Eidos needs to **** off http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif . Thank you guys. And have a good day. http://www.tombraiderforums.com/images/smilies/music1.gif
RavenLettan
05-01-04, 09:54
again... the original staff who helped to develop the previous 6 Tomb Raider games and the original creator Adrian Smith, no longer work for either Core nor Eidos.
personally at this point i'd say give it to Crystal Dynamics for the pure reason that they have the resources and years of experience to actually achieve something.
but then again to be completely honest i'd prefer Angel of Darkness to be the FINAL Tomb Raider ever.
Originally posted by Raven_:
but then again to be completely honest i'd prefer Angel of Darkness to be the FINAL Tomb Raider ever.No, you don't mean that do you? :(
We need to see what Crystal Dynamics can do for us first before we give up!
I would be very disappointed if there weren't any more tomb raider games!!
Legend of Lara
12-06-06, 00:00
What an ancient thread. :D
I'd like CD to carry on with their thing. They're doing an excellent job. :)
xMiSsCrOfTx
12-06-06, 00:02
Why are you always resurrecting old threads?
Legend of Lara
12-06-06, 00:03
Why are you always resurrecting old threads?
Because it's fun. Why do we dig up the past? To understand it.
UNDERTAKER
12-06-06, 00:05
Crystal Dynamics.
We aint seen nothing yet...
mizuno_suisei
12-06-06, 00:06
LOL Legend of Lara!!
I voted for Crystal Dynamics because if there is to be a sequal to TRL, it should be the same Lara for example, and same characters and so on.. So CryStal Dynamics for TR8. Core maybe for TR9
UNDERTAKER
12-06-06, 00:08
All the original TR team at Core have disbanded and joined other studios. Even if the reigns were handed back to Core it would not be the same.
tha_mattster
12-06-06, 00:09
I voted CORE. They had already updates lara to the modern age with AoD, if EIDOS had not rushed them it would be even better. And they would have improved it even more for the sequal.
I think Crystal can do much better, the mansion puzzles prove they can do puzzles, but do they have the courage to make a tomb raider game, and not a generic platform action game that lasts 2 days?
TRhistorian
12-06-06, 00:10
You know, I'll be bold and say, both should join forces. But thats just my opinion...
WhosaidAODwasbad
12-06-06, 00:19
You know, I'll be bold and say, both should join forces. But thats just my opinion...
If that happen it would only make tomb raider better, but the chances of this happening is almost nothing. I choose Crystal Because, we have to play tomb raiders developed by them now, I don't see Lara returning to Core because they all went their seperate ways. Plus I don't see Crystal screwing up, come on they were handed the one the best video games ever and it was handed to them on a silver plater without having to pay for!
I only see a brighter future for Tomb Raider because its with Crystal!
Hybrid Soldier
12-06-06, 00:19
Crystal Dynamics.
fondantcookie
12-06-06, 00:23
Fo' Shizzle CORE DESIGN !!!
Core Design, they know Lara, they are Lara's parents. Crystal Dynamics doesn't know Lara, and made up a confusing past we never heard of it. We need OUR Lara back, Core Design know how to make Tomb Raider Games the right way.
Legend is a great game don't get me wrong, but it doens't feel like a "Tomb Raider" Game as the others did.
Crystal Dynamics of course. They gave rebirth to Tomb Raider on their engine and it looks very solid and inspired. Core is out of TR, so i see no reason for this poll.
fondantcookie
12-06-06, 00:33
Core Design, they know Lara, they are Lara's parents. Crystal Dynamics doesn't know Lara, and made up a confusing past we never heard of it. We need OUR Lara back, Core Design know how to make Tomb Raider Games the right way.
Legend is a great game don't get me wrong, but it doens't feel like a "Tomb Raider" Game as the others did.
MattTR...i feel YOU should run eidos !!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
MattTR...i feel YOU should run eidos !!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Aww, thanks. :hug:
I don't think I'd do a very good job, but atleast I'd know what the fans wanted. (atleast the majority of them)
A good idea would have both teams join together and have Core Design work on the Lara and her background, the characters, and the level ideas while Crystal Dynamics work on the enviroment and the controls. Core Desing seem to know how to make a Tomb Raider game and Crystal Dynamics seem to be good on the Techniquel side of the game.
Heh, Core Dynamics?
But I doubt we'd ever see that happen.
illuminati30
12-06-06, 00:43
Apparently i voted in this. Must have been 04. I cant even remember doing it.
TRhistorian
12-06-06, 01:10
A week ago, I would have said Crystal Dynamics in a heart beat. But now that I have seen some of the work that Core has done, I want Core back but I want Crystal at the same time. The series would be even better if the creators and the best seller creators joined forces to make something like a new game or a remake but Eidos is all about money, money, money, my idea is something they would never do...
Lara Croft!
12-06-06, 01:13
Core design of Course!!!I'm surprised Crystal got that many votes.Perhaps cause the poll is in this thread who is mostly viewed by Legend fans!
Tombreaper
12-06-06, 01:14
A very good poll, I voted Core ff course.
tha_mattster
12-06-06, 01:15
Its actually biased against TRL, because TRL fans could only manage vote if the options were shiny and shimmering. Lucky they have auto-vote huh?! :D
illuminati30
12-06-06, 01:17
Guys there aint much point voting. The next game refers to Legend. The poll was made in 03 lol
tha_mattster
12-06-06, 01:20
AoD refers to the next game also! But that never happened :mad:
I hope TRL trilogy is canceled, not just because its snoremaking, but so they know how AoD fans feel. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/1393.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/310.gif
illuminati30
12-06-06, 01:22
AoD refers to the next game also! But that never happened :mad:
I hope TRL trilogy is canceled, not just because its snoremaking, but so they know how AoD fans feel. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/1393.gifhttp://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/310.gif
I hope so to. One story to one game i say. I dunno why, EVERYTHING has to be a trilogy these days!!!!!!!
tha_mattster
12-06-06, 01:27
The only trilogy I like is Three Colours. And each of those films is its own story.
Video game plots are so weak its ridiculous to try and stretch them across more than one game. Especially when they are a pathetic adaptation of the Tomb raider film. Why the hell did they copy a film that was based on the game itself?!
Keep the games and the films seperate!!
They need a new Producer that's all. One with vision, innovation and guts to make something truly inspiring, not a copy-all of what everyone else has already done. And, one who's given the authority to make that kind of decision and implement it.
When you look at the stuff that's previewing for the PS3 you realise this game already is playing catch-up. They took three years making Legend and to me it doesn't even look that different from the last LOK stuff they did.
When was this topic started ??? 2003??? lol....... should probly redo the poll if were going to have a serious discussion on this issue....It was done before Legend even existed.....
WhosaidAODwasbad
12-06-06, 01:52
I think alot of the Core Fans are missing the point, for one tomb raider will never return to them. Highly improbable! Crystal Dynamics is no her dad so they make the calls. And lastly, I really did and still do like Core Design and the Heath-Smith brothers, I email them at Circle every now and then telling to quit making Dvd Games even though they are good at it and make real games, and I also email Core Designs telling them how they created a great icon and I hope that they will make great games again. But if crystal dynamics did not make this tomb raider different than the past, as in not the same thing every time with little or no improvements, no that AOD was not an improvement it was. But they are the ones that are going to keep lara and us occupied with another Tomb RAider game, not core design. Legend was like Tomb Raiders, Final Fantasy if they did not make fans and critics like it which I dislike crtics because every tomb raider game has been wonderful in its own way. And there are plenty of good games that get horrible reviews. But imagine a world without lara or at least for another 5 years to get all her kinks out.
I just want to say to you guys not that I don't feel the same way about Core but we must move on from the past, but if core is making the remake bring them on, otherwise the future is now!
Also take my advice and rent or buy some games that seem fun, but you were scared because critics said it wasn't fun or its just a copy cat.
Keep the games and the films seperate!!
Agree! :tmb:
I think alot of the Core Fans are missing the point, for one tomb raider will never return to them. Highly improbable! Crystal Dynamics is no her dad so they make the calls. And lastly, I really did and still do like Core Design and the Heath-Smith brothers, I email them at Circle every now and then telling to quit making Dvd Games even though they are good at it and make real games, and I also email Core Designs telling them how they created a great icon and I hope that they will make great games again. But if crystal dynamics did not make this tomb raider different than the past, as in not the same thing every time with little or no improvements, no that AOD was not an improvement it was. But they are the ones that are going to keep lara and us occupied with another Tomb RAider game, not core design. Legend was like Tomb Raiders, Final Fantasy if they did not make fans and critics like it which I dislike crtics because every tomb raider game has been wonderful in its own way. And there are plenty of good games that get horrible reviews. But imagine a world without lara or at least for another 5 years to get all her kinks out.
I just want to say to you guys not that I don't feel the same way about Core but we must move on from the past, but if core is making the remake bring them on, otherwise the future is now!
Also take my advice and rent or buy some games that seem fun, but you were scared because critics said it wasn't fun or its just a copy cat.
This poll is kind of inaccurate.....most of the votes were cast back in 2003....Back then i would have voted Core......
Dante Croft
12-06-06, 02:18
Core Its SO Simple :tmb:
Funny, people saying they want to see what CD can do. Well they gave us legend and we saw what they can do. Not impressed. I know, this thread originated before CD made legend. But now we have it and CD showed us what they can do. Play the original, don't just look at it for a minute. Get the FEELING of what TR was. Legend falls on it's face. Bring back core, I don't care if they have to scour the planet to find the original crew, bring them back! CD gaves us fabulous controls, but a boring game. I'd rather fight with limited controls and fight my way thru the game than just blast thru a subpar game.
GodOfLight
12-06-06, 03:08
let both do tomb raider!
let crystal dynamics do the legend storyline series.
and let core design continue by remaking the old games, and finally continuing their AOD trilogy properly :wve:
(btw: i voted core design :jmp: )
CORE DESIGN!!!...as for only the first 2 titles-_-....the others really slipped up...CRYSTAL DYNAMICS (I wish I'd have the option in this poll to vote half and half...) can do a better job but really not bring the "TOMB RAIDING" experience the fans wanted to meet but then again, can't really expect everything (they really got me convinced like when the old LEGEND site had a TOMB RAIDER I MAIN THEME running on site -so beautiful OR when they even said they checked all forums and stuff OR when they said they played the previous titles to see and stuff AND TOBY GARD (I'm just glad he's in it however:) ) but it wasn't the TOMB RAIDER that really BOOMED me away. It was just a good game but not as fun as TR I.
Oh no. Not Core vs Crystal again. :( What a pointless thread this is now. Let's face it, the games will never be the same that they once were.
WhosaidAODwasbad
12-06-06, 04:20
Okay you guys make me laugh. Who created lara croft and tomb raider? Core Designs. So they should know how to make a tomb raider? Yes! Would have Tomb Raider suffered further even possibly be finished for good if Core continued to slap out games every year? yes possible? Then why do you guys continue to whine, Tomb raider legend went back to the tombs, and its Crystals first game of Tomb Raider, they never touched lara before.
I like how Undertaker said it, "We ain't seen nothin' yet" As in Tomb Raider is going to get better, it will only take time and fan support. If its not more like the older games, but better next game it will by the third game done by Crystal Dynamics!
I really have confindence in that game group especially with the great titles they made. Legacy of Kain, Soul REaver and Gex, just really awesome games!
voted for core design sorry crystal dynamics.
Melonie Tomb Raider
12-06-06, 07:12
:eek: Wow! Shocked by the results! I wonder if Eidos will see this... :p
Clara [CA]
12-06-06, 07:23
I really loved Tomb Raider Legend. That's my favourite Tomb Raider game, and I have been playing since the first one. I loved the characters, Zip, Alister, even the new Winston. And I thought Lara was more beautiful than ever before. Crystal Dynamics really did a great job. They try to make coherence in Lara's biography where Core just messed up, not only between the movies and the games, but even between the games themselves. I appreciated that.
Why did I vote for Core ? I don't know. Maybe I'm being nostalgic. Maybe this is pointless. Maybe it is hope. Nevertheless, I always felt that Core Design have a great narrative sense, one thing I missed a little in Legend.
:eek: Wow! Shocked by the results! I wonder if Eidos will see this... :p
I'm sure they will.
Edit : why can't we choose "Both" ? Wouldn't it be a good option ?
What an ancient thread. :D
Yeah! And this forum has thousands. Don't dig them up please. :rolleyes:
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