How did a piece end up in Egypt?

[Gator]

First off, let me say hello to everyone! I've been a TR fan since 1996 and Tomb Raider 1, and have played and loved every game in the series, for better or for worse. These forums are amazing, too- I can't believe I hadn't discovered them sooner! But now that that's out of the way; ;)


Tomb Raider 1 has always been my favorite, since it's so close to my heart, and I'd bet I've beaten it start to finish upward of 20-30 times; it never gets boring! One thing I've never been completely clear on in terms of the plot, though, is this: How did a piece of the Scion end up in Egypt? I know one was buried with Qualopec and another with Tihocan, but why was Egypt chosen as the location for Natla's piece?

However it happened, though, I'm glad it did, because the Egypt levels of TR1 are definitely among my favorites in the series. :) Thanks!

[Kamrusepas]

I'm sorry I can't answer your question [I've never actually even thought of it that way], but let me at least welcome you to the forums :D :wve:

[Dr Robotnik]

I'm going to speculate here, and say that after the cataclysm of Atlantis, the survivors were scattered. Some went to Peru with Qualopec, some went with Tihocan, and some managed to make their way to Egypt (God only knows why), and probably ruled there as wise or powerful people, maybe even as gods, or simply settled among the community, and probably spread stories of the lost continent of Atlantis. After they passed on, the native people found the last piece of the Scion, knew it to be a relic of Atlantis, and made a shrine to hold it in memory of the lost continent.

There's my thoughts on the matter. I'm probably completely wrong, though. Feel free to correct me if I am! :D

[stereopathic]

in the game, when lara puts the first two pieces of the scion together, she is given a vision. in the vision, she sees the atlantean pyramid and natla snatching the scion from tihocan and qualopec. a meteorite hits and a scion fragment spins off and lands in egypt.

that raises more questions than it answers, doesn't it? heheh.

[Gator]

Thanks for the welcome! :wve:

And good ideas, guys. I was actually speculating that myself, Robotnik; that after Atlantis the leaders and its people split up and founded nations at different ends of the earth. That idea adds a whole new element to Tomb Raider's plot- the fact that it might develop its own origins for a lot of the world's ancient cultures is really cool!

[smoogie]

I always though Natla was meant to be burried in a tomb in Egypt but beacuse of her crimes she got frozen instead so there was only two out of three tombs. Natla must have rules The City of Karmoon wile the otehrs ruled Vilcalamba in Puru and part of the Roman empire.

[Gator]

Hey, that's an awesome idea! The very last room of Sanctuary of the Scion has a large open area in the middle of the room where a sarcophagus could have been placed, definitely.

Hey! That could mean that Natla was around to witness the cataclysm of Atlantis, and perhaps she led her own group of followers to found the civilizations of Egypt! Maybe the three pieces of the Scion were split after the cataclysm, when the three leaders went their separate ways.

Based on that, it would definitely give Natla a reason to try and engineer a new generation, if she did so after the cataclysm of Atlantis-- when the population would have been decimated. That could be why she was punished to such an extreme for stealing the two other pieces of the Scion and going ahead with said engineering without the knowledge or permission of the other two leaders.

Awesome idea, smoogie! :D That clears up a lot!

[Widge]

ATLANTIS is an anagram of IT'S NATLA ! (without the apostrophe):confused: EIDOS JOKE

[keebz]

ATLANTIS is an anagram of IT'S NATLA ! (without the apostrophe):confused: EIDOS JOKE
woah!! yeah, thats so cool!! did you figure that out by yourself!??!:eek:

[Neteru]

Good observation :tmb:

Interestingly, considering what grows in the Atlantis levels, you'll also find It's Natal there.

[Catlantean]

That's an interesting observation Widge :tmb: "Natla" is the name of a river in America (I think), but Natla in TR was definitely named after ATLANtis.

I think it's a nice touch :)

As for the Scion in Egypt, my guess is that after the destruction of Atlantis (which Natla had probably been around to see, considering she was imprisoned in what is Los Alamos today insted of on Atlantis) some third person took her piece of the Scion and carried it off to Egypt, and founded there a civilization reminiscent of their lost homeland. Or maybe her skinless cat people stole the Scion and carried it to Egypt, where they established themselves as gods of some kind and had people build them that cozy underground city...then over the millenia, as the civilization around them crumbled to dust, they degenerated into beasts.

Something I always wondered...even though they imprisoned Natla for what she had done, Qualopec and Tihocan seemed to have been quite fond of her creations. There are two mummified Atlanteans in Qualopec's tomb, and centaurs in Tihocan's...that was quite evil of them I think, to practically kill off Natla for making those things and then use them as their own pets/guardians.

[GodOfLight]

wow what a great thread :jmp: :tmb:

there are some great ideas here aswell, and i agree with all of them so i wont post any of mine since they're pretty much the same :D

it's also interesting that oyu guys mention the cataclysm of atlantis being before natla's imprisonment. this way, natla was probably repsonsible for the destruction and that was one amongst many reasons why she was imprisioned.

it also explains why tihocan and qualopec randomly decide to bury natla in what will someday become los almos, new mexico. since atlantis just sank, andall atlanteans are scattered and thw world is in a ***** of chaos from the meteorite impact, the two kings decide to imprison natla in a random desert location they manage to flee too.

after that, qualopec heads south towards peru, and probably founds the inca civilization, and tihocan heads east towards europe to found the ancient european civilizations - mainly the ancient greeks. and then probably some special group of atlantean priests journey to egypt, to found the egyptian civilization and guard the "corrupted" and "evil" piece of the scion ;)

[Catlantean]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Natla destroyed Atlantis, because (unlike a certain ponytailed villain from AOD :p) she doesn't seem the kind that would saw off the branch she's standing on :D

But, it is quite possible that Natla's rebellion had distracted Atlanteans (and Natla herself), so they didn't realize there was a deadly asteroid heading their way until it was too late.

[GodOfLight]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that Natla destroyed Atlantis, because (unlike a certain ponytailed villain from AOD :p) she doesn't seem the kind that would saw off the branch she's standing on :D

But, it is quite possible that Natla's rebellion had distracted Atlanteans (and Natla herself), so they didn't realize there was a deadly asteroid heading their way until it was too late.

no, i'd say she was responsible :ton: i'm not saying she was planning the destruction. but if you look at most atlantis myths they tend to be about certain atlanteans gaining too much power (technology and science wise) and abusing the power for dark purposes, and then being "punished" by the gods in the sinking + erruption + meteorite shower. so perhaps natla's advancement and experiments had a nasty back-fireing effect ;) also, when lara reads the inscriptions in tihocans tomb she refers to "the curse of the continent" which shows that somehow someone must have done something wrong in order to cause this "curse"... and i dont think that saying natla is that osmeone is too far off :whi:

[Catlantean]

Or maybe only the "lesser" people put the curse label on the whole thing. Because that's what the meteorite impact (and in TR1 it's clearly a meteorite impact that destroyed Atlantis) would've looked like to the scientifically less advanced societies. If there had been divine intervention, I'd kind of expect it to be worked into the storyline more...or at least Natla to be wary of not ****ing the gods off again :D Don't know, there hadn't been any mention of it being a punishment from the gods in the game's story, so it seems the most logical solution they were too busy warring to notice their own doom approaching. Not nearly as spectacular as divine intervention though :D

Unrelated to TR, I remember reading somewhere about radiation levels in the Bermuda Triangle and bottom of the Atlantic ocean. Not sure how true these things are (probably not at all), but there is something quite appealing about some renegade causing a war, that ended in nuking Atlantis out of existence. Appealing in a story way that is, I'm quite certain it didn't happen.

[Immortalis08]

Unrelated to TR, I remember reading somewhere about radiation levels in the Bermuda Triangle and bottom of the Atlantic ocean. Not sure how true these things are (probably not at all), but there is something quite appealing about some renegade causing a war, that ended in nuking Atlantis out of existence. Appealing in a story way that is, I'm quite certain it didn't happen.

OMG that made me come up with a theory. The Burmuda Triangle tends to be notorious for bringing and sinking planes and such. So what if atlantis was sunk to the bottom of the triangle and things still continue to sink because of it. Its a half a**ed theory but w/e.:o

[GodOfLight]

Or maybe only the "lesser" people put the curse label on the whole thing. Because that's what the meteorite impact (and in TR1 it's clearly a meteorite impact that destroyed Atlantis) would've looked like to the scientifically less advanced societies. If there had been divine intervention, I'd kind of expect it to be worked into the storyline more...or at least Natla to be wary of not ****ing the gods off again :D Don't know, there hadn't been any mention of it being a punishment from the gods in the game's story, so it seems the most logical solution they were too busy warring to notice their own doom approaching. Not nearly as spectacular as divine intervention though :D

Unrelated to TR, I remember reading somewhere about radiation levels in the Bermuda Triangle and bottom of the Atlantic ocean. Not sure how true these things are (probably not at all), but there is something quite appealing about some renegade causing a war, that ended in nuking Atlantis out of existence. Appealing in a story way that is, I'm quite certain it didn't happen.

cat, why is it that you always seem to take the biggest possible roundabouts just in order to avoid my theories?.... that was probably even more over interpretive then one of my posts :vlol: you are beyond stubborn :ton:

[GodOfLight]

OMG that made me come up with a theory. The Burmuda Triangle tends to be notorious for bringing and sinking planes and such. So what if atlantis was sunk to the bottom of the triangle and things still continue to sink because of it. Its a half a**ed theory but w/e.:o

that theory is quite old actually... and far from half assed. there are tonnes of books even written on the atlantis and bermuda triangle connection. i remember one of those theories being that the powerful crystals the atlanteans used being the cause for the magnetic effect of the triangle.

of course, most of those theories are probably total bollucks. but still, they're quite interesting :tmb:

[Catlantean]

I'm not trying to avoid your theories in particular GodOfLight, it's just that so it happens that not many people beside the two of us come up with theories here :D I'm not trying to de-evaulate your theories or something, never. It's just that my way of thinking doesn't go well with divine intervention, unless there's absolutely no other way to explain something :p

Anyway, beauty is in difference. And you and your theories still have my respect :)

[JasonDavies15]

Can I just say Catlantean, that your theories are very cool to read! I mean it makes perfect sense now to me, thanks! :tmb:

[quetzalcoatl]

I just assumed it was because one of the rulers of Atlantis took a piece to Egypt? hehe

[GodOfLight]

I'm not trying to avoid your theories in particular GodOfLight, it's just that so it happens that not many people beside the two of us come up with theories here :D I'm not trying to de-evaulate your theories or something, never. It's just that my way of thinking doesn't go well with divine intervention, unless there's absolutely no other way to explain something :p

Anyway, beauty is in difference. And you and your theories still have my respect :)

oh yeah... divine intervention... pfff :vlol: i'm not one for that either. i was just refering more to the classic myths based around ancient gods and atlantis.

i still think though that it was natla's experimentes that some how may have created a ripple effect that caused the meteorite and destruction of atlantis.

actually, come to think of it, it sucks that core made the destruction of atlantis specifically due to a meteorite (and not the classic idea of tidal waves and a sunken island) only to reuse that same story with the lost city of tinnos two games later :rolleyes: