View Full Version : Things you want left in - and things you want left out
thepetemaster
17-06-06, 07:23
This is for the re-make...
In with :
- All the old moves set and control system - especially swimming controls
This includes backflips, sideflips, forward roll etc
- The grab button!!!
- able to holster/unholster weapons
- The old menu system
- Backpack with items inside ie keys and medpacks etc
- I wouldn't even mind the shimmy set from legend - would be cool
- lots and lots of animals/ atlanteans - with a variety in design of course
- the classic weapon set
- fmv
- unfinished business as unlockable
- rag doll deaths ala AOD
- outdoor mansion sections
- I could even handle a button for medpack use mid battle
- random item placement option for replayability/ challenge
- save crystal system from tr 3 - pick em up and use anywhere
- original Lara voice
- exploration/isolation
- classic outfit with bob/braid
- time taken stats and distance travelled - ( would rather have a distance travelled challenge than a time trial any day)
- flares
Out with :
- all the bloody mercs
- the aiming reticule
- the bullet time
- no zip or allister on a headset
- no motorbike sections
- secret tokens - when i am hurting for med packs - make me search em out - not just find some silly silver reward for an outfit
- the grapple hook
- the binoculars/hint system
- interactive cutscenes
Well there are a few of MY ideas - what does everyone else think/ want to see?
You pretty much nailed it! Good job!!! :tmb:
It seems to be a bit unclear if you are talking about the remake of Tomb Raider 1 or Tomb Raider 8. Why would there even be mercs in the remake? You were able to holster unholster the weapons in both Legend (change the combat mode) and the original Tomb Raider, so l would say that was a certainty to be included. l was suprised thepetemaster said no motorbike section, if they made some of the FMV sequences from Tomb Raider 1 playable there was a very good motor bike section....but l suppose some people just do not like motorbikes. And since when could you not use a medipack mid battle??? If it is the remake we are talking about here l would be happy if they included all the original levels and the add on levels either as unlockables or part of the main game, same weapons as the original, same bottomless backpack, same save sytem as the original, none of this checkpoint stuff, makes it to easy. The only things l do not want them to add is the grapple, could Lara please leave that at home, l have had enough of shiny objects, and no hints other than what was in the original
illuminati30
17-06-06, 08:15
hehe i was just about to make this thread!
Grapple: Go
Autograb: Go
Spinning targets: Go
Legend style music: Go
Headset: Go
Limited inventory: Go
PDA: Go
Keely Hawes: Go
Bullet time: Go
New Croft Mano: Go
I could see the motorcycle part when she chases natla's yacht as a fully playable scene but then what would they do for the FMV that belongs there? :confused:
petemaster, I agree with all of what you've said!
Except the medi-button. I'd prefer it if all that type of thing went on in the ring-menu, though I don't suppose it'd be the end of the world.
I wanna use the d-pad for directing her -I can't imagine TR1 analog!
I use TR1 as reference, anything that was in Legend and is not on this list should not get into the remake (or I forgot about it).
In, in addition to what TR1 already has:
International disc, so that I can play in english even if I buy the game in germany.
The ability to unlock things that are not part of the usual gameplay by finding secrets. Maybe background information about the creation of Tomb Raider 1?
An optional audio commentary (maybe)
A menu where I can select to replay every level I already finished (as in Legend)
A resume game menu option (as in Legend)
Moves similar to what was introduced in TR2, 3 and so on (e.g. sidestep when walking)
Level editor
Official, complete file format description
Out:
Pre-rendered FMVs. In my opinion, FMVs rendered by the engine in real-time can achieve just the same quality and pose no technical problems once you have the main game running, while pre-rendered FMVs can always be difficult and usually have a low resolution
Edit: By the way, didn't TR1 have a medi-pack button, or was that only TR2 and later? Keyboard 9 and 0 for small and large.
I have a feeling it will be the joysticks on PS2... which means probably the controls of legend. :( There was a simplicity to the controls in TR1. I don't know if they can give us that back... :confused:
Actually, TR1 did let you replay any level you completed. ;)
This is for the re-make...
In with :
- All the old moves set and control system - especially swimming controls
This includes backflips, sideflips, forward roll etc
- The grab button!!!
- able to holster/unholster weapons
- The old menu system
- Backpack with items inside ie keys and medpacks etc
- I wouldn't even mind the shimmy set from legend - would be cool
- lots and lots of animals/ atlanteans - with a variety in design of course
- the classic weapon set
- fmv
- unfinished business as unlockable
- rag doll deaths ala AOD
- outdoor mansion sections
- I could even handle a button for medpack use mid battle
- random item placement option for replayability/ challenge
- save crystal system from tr 3 - pick em up and use anywhere
- original Lara voice
- exploration/isolation
- classic outfit with bob/braid
- time taken stats and distance travelled - ( would rather have a distance travelled challenge than a time trial any day)
- flares
Out with :
- all the bloody mercs
- the aiming reticule
- the bullet time
- no zip or allister on a headset
- no motorbike sections
- secret tokens - when i am hurting for med packs - make me search em out - not just find some silly silver reward for an outfit
- the grapple hook
- the binoculars/hint system
- interactive cutscenes
Well there are a few of MY ideas - what does everyone else think/ want to see?
I agree with everything you said except the tr3 save crystals. It should be save crystals from tr1. Save crystals in tr3 were just annoying. I hated them. Tr1 save crystals was best save feature ever. Plus this is supposed to be a tr1 remake so it should have save system from tr1.
Out of curiosity, what were the save crystals of TR1? I only played on PC (and Mac), where I could save wherever, whenever I wanted and I never spotted a single crystal. I wouldn't want it any other way, I guess I saved over 500 times at the end of the game. So how did the console save system for TR1 work?
And the save crystals in TR1 "looked" amazing too, that really alluring magical deep purple that was transparent and reflective at the same time.. So cool.. :cln:
Out of curiosity, what were the save crystals of TR1? I only played on PC (and Mac), where I could save wherever, whenever I wanted and I never spotted a single crystal. I wouldn't want it any other way, I guess I saved over 500 times at the end of the game. So how did the console save system for TR1 work?
Crystals were static, couldn't be picked up and spread about 3 ish over a level I think, you'd save once on them and they'd disappear. If you wanted to save again, you'd have to progress through the level and find it!
I couldn't imagine tr1 without save crystals. Its already one of the easiest trs but it must have been soooooo easy to save anywhere. I would have hated that if tr1 on ps was like that. All the other trs that were save anywhere were hard enough anyway so save anywhere on them was good but I think it would just make tr1 too easy. I'm glad I never had tr1 on PC.
If they leave TR1 as it is, and include NOTHING from Legend it will be perfect. ;)
If they leave TR1 as it is, and include NOTHING from Legend it will be perfect. ;)
No they cant do that. If they leave it exactly the same it will be no different than the original. There would be no point in having it. It needs to be different in many ways but keeping it basicly like tr1. Every level has to be different in some ways but have the basic level design from the original with added bits to it.
No they cant do that. If they leave it exactly the same it will be no different than the original. There would be no point in having it. It needs to be different in many ways but keeping it basicly like tr1. Every level has to be different in some ways but have the basic level design from the original with added bits to it.
Never thought about it that way, good point.
*drools at thought of beautiful blue diamond save points* :p
They work the same as checkpoints did in legend, but you had to manually save when you got to them.
Hmm.. I wonder why everyone seems to hate everyaspect of legend..
anyways what I want for the remake:
- Original lara model, Green top, brown short's, brown boots, leather holsters original Lara face, BRAID!
- Bottomles backbag
- Shotgun (original brown one) , Original pistols ( those silver beretta look a likes ) , UZIS!! + Grenade launcher from tr3 and m16 from tr2
- A long t-rex fight with smaller reptiles, You would have to be clever to get t'rex down
- All those original levels. BUT More wider areas, hidden rooms, hidden passage ways etc.
- Unfinished business levels as unblockacbles and a story for the unfinished business
- Fmv!! These are must!! Longer ofcourse :D
- I want a level for that motorcycle sequence.. nothing like in legend.. though I want to do those jumps!! but you could be able to get of the bike and travel the paths
- Sorry.. But I want to have bullet time in this game.. It's a must for me.. perhaps a cheat for bullet time like in Max payne.. We always had those cgi pics of lara jumping sideways like Max.
- Original swimming controlls, swim sideways, backwards etc.
- Shimmying from legend is a must! but I want that lenghtened hand stand. + when I do a swandive I want to do the roll in mid air..
- Tomb raider 1 music scoring! + some Tomb raider 1 style music.. That music that was in the cancelled trailer was awesome!
- Better Lara voice acting.. She's not a crybaby! She's a woman! Judith Gibbings.. wasnt she for tr4,5,6? I want her!
- All those boss fights. LONG boss fights and perhaps some new GOOD fmv's after boss fights
- Original mansion with outdoors. When we start the game it's like in tr1. but after we finish the Story part 100% and find all secrets in game.. the croft manor would be fully unlocked.. new rooms, outdoors, vast grounds, maze, race track etc. cellars.. hidden rooms, hidden passageways
- RAGDOL PHYSICS! but now fading this time ok! I want see how she dies.. or her enemies.. though
- NO mercaneries!
- Isolation
- Exploring freely, could go back to another level anytime you want.. just by runnig towards the direction you came.
- did I already say.. hidden routes with extras, like some extra fmv :jmp: !
- New combat system, lock on two targets on time, new special moves
- Side way flip, backwards flip, forwards flip, swandive, original crouch, Aod crouch, those long running jumps!
- no automatic grabbing original button for grabbin use.. or a togling option for automatic, normal grabbing
- tr2 or tr3 style menu screen
- A BEUTIFULL OPENING FMV!
plus so many ideas...
Hi ^^ sorry my english not good, but I try hard to say my point.
so happy remake come. I read people thinking about tomb raider new game come. Has been 10 years already? I am really happy cause tomb raider is my best game.
petemaster say what should be in game and what not in game. I agree with most point.
First I think I want levels be same explore kind. Big and many atmosphere. Makes me feel cool running around explore and find. I like finding things. Also I enjoy using health pack as item and find health pack. Legend style game not my favorite cause can't explore my leisure. Lara running hallway like level. Not as fun as original style.
Second. Strange talker with voice. what name? Zip? Who is zip? I still don't understand what he say or why? I do find without him talking. why he talk to me? tomb raider 1-4 don't have zip man so remake don't need him bother me.
Third. petemaster. why no bike? bike movie in tomb raider. maybe make short sequence playable. I think making some cut scene playable like bike not bad idea. I want original style game but since remake...some new things need. Just don't change too much. Then happy times.
I read here people have two side: first=people like legend Second=people don't like legend. But tomb raider remake should be similar tomb raider. so leave legend stuff out. if want legend style tomb raider then wait future legend style tomb raider game. remake don't need zip man talking and pretty shooting icon and many bad man shooting gun.
So I excite wait for new remake and hope good.
bye bye ^.~
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 14:27
Leave in:
Checkpoints (But less than legend)/save crystals(Maybe have an extra or cheat)
Legend control/original controls I would like a choice
Legend/ original back pack (Maybe another extra)
Hard boss fights, make them like a puzzle something to take them down other than shots!
Dual UZi(upgrades like Legend but for all weapons so if you use one more you can upgrade it!)
Dual Magnums
Dual PIstols
Shotgun/maybe double barrel!
All original Levels and Puzzles(maybe tweak some levels and Puzzles but keep them pretty much the same!)
Laras Mansion but bigger than legend
Original Cast of Characters
More playable areas/ala Motorbike in Egypt
Natla Technologies influtration/Maybe take out bigfoot like at the beginning!
Extras up the wazoo but are sensible to the game more ingame extras and documentaries!
More replay value
Time Trials/Survival mode (less shots and bites will kill you almost half your life meter!
Extra for Original Game exactly what it was but just better graphics
Same enemies but maybe some extra new ones, some snakes, giant bugs and spiders(TR2) Undead skeletons!
Winston(Not farting one)
Just keep the original game and forumla and add some things that make sense to the game and it should be fine.
Leave out:
Alister and Zip (Ok for legend sequel, but not remake)
Mercs(Don't mind other tomb raiders every now and then but not a whole legion of Mercs)
Grapple(would ruin the original, keep it for legend and other sequels only)
Easy gameplay(don't make it easier actaully make the 10 year tR vet think, don't mind difficult levels) But do not make puzzles easier or game, I'll scream. My little brother has gotten to Ghana all by his self and he's 9 and can't read well!
Headset, Lara should travel underground areas alone and with out help in her ear!
I have a question do you think Carlos (the guide at the beginning) live longer or does he die like the original in the remake at the front door to the caves!?
Do you think that you'll get to trek from a small villiage to the Peru area! that would be kinda cool, snow and have some natural wildlife get you! Oh and that overcoat that she has at the beginning that would be cool to wear and have as an extra later!
illuminati30
17-06-06, 14:43
Hi ^^ sorry my english not good, but I try hard to say my point.
so happy remake come. I read people thinking about tomb raider new game come. Has been 10 years already? I am really happy cause tomb raider is my best game.
petemaster say what should be in game and what not in game. I agree with most point.
First I think I want levels be same explore kind. Big and many atmosphere. Makes me feel cool running around explore and find. I like finding things. Also I enjoy using health pack as item and find health pack. Legend style game not my favorite cause can't explore my leisure. Lara running hallway like level. Not as fun as original style.
Second. Strange talker with voice. what name? Zip? Who is zip? I still don't understand what he say or why? I do find without him talking. why he talk to me? tomb raider 1-4 don't have zip man so remake don't need him bother me.
Third. petemaster. why no bike? bike movie in tomb raider. maybe make short sequence playable. I think making some cut scene playable like bike not bad idea. I want original style game but since remake...some new things need. Just don't change too much. Then happy times.
I read here people have two side: first=people like legend Second=people don't like legend. But tomb raider remake should be similar tomb raider. so leave legend stuff out. if want legend style tomb raider then wait future legend style tomb raider game. remake don't need zip man talking and pretty shooting icon and many bad man shooting gun.
So I excite wait for new remake and hope good.
bye bye ^.~
You make some brilliant points! Welcome to the forum :wve:
You do indeed make some good points Nara, welcome! :D
thepetemaster
17-06-06, 17:04
Hello Nara,welcome again, and thanks for the feedback.
the only thing i NEED from Legend in this re-make is the new controls..........I can never again press right and wait 5 seconds for her to turn 90 degrees......I can never again tap backwards to set up a running jump.....I can never again run towards a switch, only to be off to the left, and have to hold r1, and press right to sidestep closer to the switch.......
I do however think they should make the swiming controls more like the original, if we are going to be able to tackle the complicated underwater sections.....
The grapple, headset, autograb.....although I support these things for TR8, i dont NEED them in this remake.......i really dont care either way.....
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