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TRhistorian
17-06-06, 15:31
First off, I am extreamly against a re-make of a classic done by Core, its not CD's place to even touch it, regardless weither or not Toby Gard is on the team, I am against it 100%.
Secondly, some people say this game will be a test run to see what CD ca truely do. News Flash: Legend was their test run. Sorry, but after seeing Legend, I do not even want to see that happen to a classic, especially if Legend was a failure in the Tomb Raider world. Would you want them turning one of the most sucessful games in history into another Legend?
I just give up, CD would never listen unless they want to say they want suggestions, even though they never happen and Eidos has their mind on the enormous piles of cash growing in their minds, I just give up.
All I can say is, they better not Legendfy it. Becuase I know, many faithful and loyal fans since day one, including myself, will turn their backs on Tomb Raider forever.
I'm gonna PM you to answer that ;)
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 15:39
If they just gonna update the graphic engine and expect me to pay $50 for it...TR-AE is a rip-off...
Since Legend came out,it seems some fans feel a special pleasure not criticizing CD,but making destructive comments. I sincerly feel sometimes it looks like hate,but,as most of those who criticize won't ever create even a bad quality game in their lives,I'm almost positive all those negative comments are nothing more than envy.
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 15:44
No what I have to say Calm down! We haven't even heard the details of the REmake or even screens of it yet, and yet you are going all ballistic on CD! Yeah we all have our doubts, legend could have been better, all games are not perfect. yes, legend is just a test run, their first time with lara, but give them another chance. They probably had eidos glued to their backs at all times when making it, so they had to attain to guide lines! At least with the remake they have to attain to guidelines of a really good game, so they would be stupid to change the story, script, or even link it to legend! I think we will see they same game from 10 years ago with maybe a couple of more levels, some new traps, and Graphics and technology! I don't see them at all changing a single level, other than maybe revamping it putting things in different areas but the same puzzles and some new areas and puzzles along to the way! I know for sure graphically and artisically it will look different i mean look at what core did! They were the same levels just with some new paint and a different artistic direction. Don't be upset, hey if the release some official news that isn't cool like changing the story, I'll scream with you! But I know that if they change it up too much and they know it too, original fans will be up in flames and so would alot of people although they didn't like TR3-6 that they would be up in CD's face! I pretty sure they know how careful they need to be especially since it isn't there creation in the first place!
So until they release some bad news, don't give up your hopes, don't even think about the worst that can happen! WE would all go crazy if its exactly like legend. Because TR 1 isn't legend, its the beginning of one of the best gaming franchises ever!
I very much doubt that, Pipolinne.
People are disappointed. People don't like the direction the series has been going with CD.
Last time I checked, nobody has been made the opinion police on this forum.
I very much doubt that, Pipolinne.
People are disappointed. People don't like the direction the series has been going with CD.
Last time I checked, nobody has been made the opinion police on this forum.
"People" also like Legend and the direction the series is going in. There's two sides to every story.
Lara's Boy
17-06-06, 15:48
No what I have to say Calm down! We haven't even heard the details of the REmake or even screens of it yet, and yet you are going all ballistic on CD! Yeah we all have our doubts, legend could have been better, all games are not perfect. yes, legend is just a test run, their first time with lara, but give them another chance. They probably had eidos glued to their backs at all times when making it, so they had to attain to guide lines! At least with the remake they have to attain to guidelines of a really good game, so they would be stupid to change the story, script, or even link it to legend! I think we will see they same game from 10 years ago with maybe a couple of more levels, some new traps, and Graphics and technology! I don't see them at all changing a single level, other than maybe revamping it putting things in different areas but the same puzzles and some new areas and puzzles along to the way! I know for sure graphically and artisically it will look different i mean look at what core did! They were the same levels just with some new paint and a different artistic direction. Don't be upset, hey if the release some official news that isn't cool like changing the story, I'll scream with you! But I know that if they change it up too much and they know it too, original fans will be up in flames and so would alot of people although they didn't like TR3-6 that they would be up in CD's face! I pretty sure they know how careful they need to be especially since it isn't there creation in the first place!
So until they release some bad news, don't give up your hopes, don't even think about the worst that can happen! WE would all go crazy if its exactly like legend. Because TR 1 isn't legend, its the beginning of one of the best gaming franchises ever!
Couldn't agree more :tmb:
The fact of the matter is: If CORE's remake was going to be superior to CD's, then don't you think EIDOS would have let them finish it? Let's not go crazy when we have only had ONE official statement from EIDOS. Also, as much as I love the TR series and Lara (yes, in that order), it is just a VIDEOGAME. This has no bearing on how I live my life day to day, so I don't see what the fuss is. If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't go crazy, please :rolleyes:
One thing is criticizing,another one is ranting.
For heaven's sake,the remake is not even out yet,but people are already telling it's going to be bad!And then,they speak in a tragic way,as if we are discussing a matter of live and death and CD was an agent of evil!
I kept saying: if they know how to criticize so well,why not take a look at the level editor and making their own remake?!
"People" also like Legend and the direction the series is going in. There's two sides to every story.
OBVIOUSLY.
I didn't say 'everyone'. I said 'people'.
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 15:51
I liked TRL becuase it is new...I liked TR1 because its a classic...
Now all those has to mix togather...is anyone else got this weird feeling?
OBVIOUSLY.
I didn't say 'everyone'. I said 'people'.
You made it sound an awful lot like you were trying to speak for TRL players in general.
One thing is criticizing,another one is ranting.
For heaven's sake,the remake is not even out yet,but people are already telling it's going to be bad!And then,they speak in a tragic way,as if we are discussing a matter of live and death and CD was an agent of evil!
I kept saying: if they know how to criticize so well,why not take a look at the level editor and making their own remake?!
Peoples' opinions are normally as gamers.
Don't tell me you've fully enjoyed every game you've played, every movie you've watched, every book you've read - because the 'well why don't you make it better' argument doesn't work in reality.
I agree - the remake isn't out yet - we can't know what it will be like - but peoples' opinions are peoples' opinions and while this group of people may be criticising the game or the company who made it, another group of people are following behind them and criticising them as equal members of this forum.
Couldn't agree more :tmb:
The fact of the matter is: If CORE's remake was going to be superior to CD's, then don't you think EIDOS would have let them finish it?
Nope ;) I think Eidos would panic and think "Oh no, this is better than CD's - if CD look bad then we might look stupid for giving the rights to them , best just save face and try and hide all evidence that Core were working on it!"
But don't quote me on that - it's just my opinion!!
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 15:54
Exactly, don't take this the wrong way there will be good times and bad times, even some of the greatest games ever had had their own bumps Mario Sunshine, Final Fantasy 9. But I really doubt the Remake will be bad. I think alot of people are missing that it is a remake! So Cd has to abide by certain rules unlike making a totally new game! Such as staying true to the original gameplay and storyline. So remember if anything is going to change it will abide by the original gameplay and storyline not any other tomb Raider games!
And exactly, tomb raider is not life its just a nice way to enjoy it everynow and again. Say tomb raider turns rotten and no good there are always other things to do although I am not saying that will ever happen because I know it won't!
You made it sound an awful lot like you were trying to speak for TRL players in general.
Well, I apologise if you misunderstood.
But it would be completely absurd to say anything like that and I can't see anyone in their right mind doing so.
Lara's Boy
17-06-06, 15:55
Nope ;) I think Eidos would panic and think "Oh no, this is better than CD's - if CD look bad then we might look stupid for giving the rights to them , best just save face and try and hide all evidence that Core were working on it!"
But don't quote me on that - it's just my opinion!!
Well, if EIDOS is really the mad cash hungry company people think, then wouldn't they release a superior game that would make more cash? I am not trying to argue, but I just think we should wait and see before we go bananas, lol
:wve:
You apologize if I misunderstood?
Well, thanks for turning it on me...
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 15:58
Superior games are far more risky than cash runs...it's all about money...game company has to see a return in their investment...cash runs requires almost no investment so there will be a profit automaticly...
Since Legend came out,it seems some fans feel a special pleasure not criticizing CD,but making destructive comments. I sincerly feel sometimes it looks like hate,but,as most of those who criticize won't ever create even a bad quality game in their lives,I'm almost positive all those negative comments are nothing more than envy.
I agree, I'm all for suggestions and diplomatic, constructive discussion but some comments and threads have left me feeling exasperated. Some comments are indeed, constructive and well thought out. Don't get me wrong, I haven't liked the recent decisions that have been made about TR7 and the remake being handed over to CD but I think the reason for all the criticism towards CD taking the helm once more is down to "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't" there are pros and cons about both games companies but I think the best thing to do would be to have a little faith. "faith can get you a long way"
My views on the whole thing are pretty much "on the fence". I don't have an extreme viewpoint either way. which is why I'm disliking the destructive comments being made...I better just avoid threads like this from now on but that's my 2 Yen on the subject ;).
Lara's Boy
17-06-06, 16:00
Superior games are far more risky than cash runs...
How so? If they are superior they will sell well, therefore they can be a 'cash run'.....I am still certain that there had to be a damned good reason EIDOS didn't choose CORE's remake, and I don't think it has anything to do with them looking bad if the former creator's of the series did better than the new developers.
Well, I apologise if you misunderstood.
But it would be completely absurd to say anything like that and I can't see anyone in their right mind doing so.
Then,I misunderstood it too. People,in the way you put it,had the same meaning as everyone;you've spoken like all the TR fans community in deeply angry at CD,and,therefore,will refuse the remake.
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 16:06
How so? If they are superior they will sell well, therefore they can be a 'cash run'.....I am still certain that there had to be a damned good reason EIDOS didn't choose CORE's remake, and I don't think it has anything to do with them looking bad if the former creator's of the series did better than the new developers.
Cash run (like a straight port from of TR1 to TRL engine) requires a lot less investment than well developed games (remake TR1 from ground up)...and since Eidos can sell future TR games based on the name CD alone...which one makes more profit?
Lara's Boy
17-06-06, 16:10
Cash run (like a straight port from of TR1 to TRL engine) requires a lot less investment than well developed games (remake TR1 from ground up)...and since Eidos can sell future TR games based on the name CD alone...which one makes more profit?
hmm....I can see the logic in that.....thanks for further explanation
:wve:
OK, well I'll throw in my opinion.
I'm not on the 'extreme' where I hate CD and want them to disappear.
I've given my thought-out responses to Legend in that forum, and I've given my thought-out hopes and fears for the remake in this forum.
What troubles me is that we're constantly dissecting each other. We're no longer really talking about the games themselves - we're talking about other members and whether or not their opinion is valid.
I'm all for discussion and even disagreement - but this is just so weird.
This has got NOTHING to do with what side of the fence you're on - I would be saying this if people were attacking people who loved Legend or were excited about the sequel, but for the majority it's the other way around.
Yes, people take this to the extreme - yes, it can get tedious if it's spread over a lot of thread - but do we really need the opinion police out in force saying they're 'sick' of a certain opinion or viewpoint or making up some sort of story as to why this person might feel that way (i.e. they envy CD etc.)?
What is the difference between someone starting a thread saying 'I don't want CD to do the remake - I'm sure they'll ruin it' and someone starting a thread saying 'I'm so glad CD are doing the remake - I'm sure it will be amazing'?
NONE. They're just on different ends of the spectrum.
But unfortunately, opinions in the first category often come under fire and there are a barrage of people saying 'I'm SICK of people thinking like this!'
That's just not realistic - this forum IS the spectrum. You have people who are so extremely on the negative end and you have people who are so extremely on the positive end.
THAT'S LIFE.
There IS a difference between constructive criticisms and just plain negative comments (i.e. I HATE LEGEND AND CD!) - but what you have to realise is that there is an opposite end of that. There are a wide range of opinions on the other side of the fence ranging from well thought-out justifications for the games to 'I LOVE LEGEND AND CD!'
Unfortunately, nobody will ever be able to stop that happening, and every person here has a right to give their viewpoint, whether it's 1000 words long or only 6, whether it's unflinchingly negative or overbearingly positive.
But enough of the attacking of opinions. Nobody would like it if every time someone said 'I love Legend and CD' somebody else came along and attacked them for it.
Yes, there are a lot of whiners - I'm one too - but whining at them isn't going to solve anything. Instead of whining because of the whining, why not just go and post something positive instead?
I realise I'm doing exactly what I'm asking everyone else not to do - but come one - there has to be an end to this.
I've posted a lot of negative things about Legend, but never once have I posted something negative about another member because they happened to have a different opinion on the game.
I understand that it can be tedious seeing negative opinion after negative opinion, but it's even more tedious to see people getting attacked simply because their viewpoint doesn't line up with what's popular.
Then,I misunderstood it too. People,in the way you put it,had the same meaning as everyone;you've spoken like all the TR fans community in deeply angry at CD,and,therefore,will refuse the remake.
Unfortunately, I can't put a disclaimer in front of every one of my posts.
Now you'll know that in the future, if I ever talk about everyone in the Tomb Raider fan community, my post will say 'Everyone in the Tomb Raider fan community'.
I always thought a big part of Crystal's job on Legend was to make it appeal to more gamers and help people forget about AoD. That's also why I think it was short and easy. AoD got nasty reviews with game sites and magazines not to mention gamers in general but Legend has gotten good and great reviews and is no longer a joke to so many who thought it had become one. Now that TR is back in the light and more people are interested it, they can start bringing in more elements like harder puzzles, less linear game play and more of the things that long time TR fans want to see and feel should be part of a TR game.
Had Crystal not succeeded in the above and Legend flopped, Eidos may have just called an end to the series with maybe one last game or something.
And for those who thought the whole remake trailer looked great, did you notice half of it looked to be made by Crystal? There were definitely Legend moves in there and I think the Lara model looked a bit different than what looked like what was made by Core. I saw two distinct styles in there.
I look forward to a remake of TR1 as I have never gotten my computer to play it. I would rather have TR8 as the game that shows us if Crystal truly has what it takes but I think there will be some tight reigns to keep the project on the right path. I'm willing to give Crystal a chance and wish them good luck.
Just my 2¢ worth.
Well I'd rather cd be doing a remake now rather than working on tr8 now. This is because if they are doing a remake they will actually have to take inspiration from the original. This will give them experience as to how to make a proper tomb raider game and so when they do tr8 it will be much better and be like a proper tr. Yes I would have preferred core do the remake but cd doing it isn't that bad. In the long run it will make future trs better coz they actually have to take inspiration from the original. People are saying they could ruin how great the original was but thats not true. If this doesn't live up to expectations it doesn't make the original any less great. Its a good thing cd are doing a remake coz just imagine how crappy tr8 would be if they weren't doing the remake and again they weren't taking any inspiration from previous trs. You have to think about the positives of this. I have no doubt the remake is going to be amazing coz they are actually taking inspiration from tr1 this time.
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 16:27
I have no doubt the remake is going to be amazing coz they are actually taking inspiration from tr1 this time.
:vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but CD had enough inspiration when developing TRL...they had to play all six TR games during the development...and you didn't like the end result, did you??
Most likely TR-AE will be using Legend control scheme and inventory system, with old TR level design...
:vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
Not to burst your bubble, but CD had enough inspiration when developing TRL...they had to play all six TR games during the development...and you didn't like the end result, did you??
Most likely TR-AE will be using Legend control scheme and inventory system, with old TR level design...
Yes but with legend they could choose to ignore the other games if they wanted to. This time they actually HAVE TO take inspiration from tr1. After all its supposed to be a remake of tr1. Yes I have as much doubts as the rest of you but really cd doing a remake of tr1 will only get them more familiar with old trs so future games will be better. Even if trae fails it doesn't make the original any less great.
Im not sure what to think anymore. Lara is not lara anymore. Tomb Raider is not Tomb Raider anymore. its now " Lara Croft:TOMB RAIDER " I am most likely not gonna enjoy the remake if there is one. From what i have seen it looks nothing like TR1 it looks like legend but with different textures. I am not giving up on lara yet but she is just holding on by a strand. Hopefully Eidos will push the Triangle button and help her pull herself back to the top of my Gaming interests...
Why don't they just cooperate? I'm sure the result would be better.
The remake doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the exact same game. The locations will be the same, but the general gameplay will differ. The doubts that some people have are logical. How can you transfer the original game, which was built with an ancient engine, to a modern style? Lara will swing on poles and possibly climb up ladders.
In any case, I wouldn't jump into conclusions now. They will definitely release videos and we will be able to make the comparison between the original game and the remake. Then we will have just an idea if the remake is decent. Valid opinions can be said after we have completed the game.
Hopefully Eidos will push the Triangle button and help her pull herself back to the top of my Gaming interests...
lol that's a good way of putting it, but yeah, things aren't how they used to be, but I still have faith that things will be fine. I can't wait to see something official about this :)
Why don't they just cooperate? I'm sure the result would be better.
The remake doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the exact same game. The locations will be the same, but the general gameplay will differ. The doubts that some people have are logical. How can you transfer the original game, which was built with an ancient engine, to a modern style? Lara will swing on poles and possibly climb up ladders.
In any case, I wouldn't jump into conclusions now. They will definitely release videos and we will be able to make the comparison between the original game and the remake. Then we will have just an idea if the remake is decent. Valid opinions can be said after we have completed the game.
I agree, if Core and Crystal D worked together to complete this game it could possibly be the best tr game yet. But I don't think this makes sense to Eidos because it means paying twice the amount of people... I don't know.
I always thought a big part of Crystal's job on Legend was to make it appeal to more gamers and help people forget about AoD. That's also why I think it was short and easy. AoD got nasty reviews with game sites and magazines not to mention gamers in general but Legend has gotten good and great reviews and is no longer a joke to so many who thought it had become one. Now that TR is back in the light and more people are interested it, they can start bringing in more elements like harder puzzles, less linear game play and more of the things that long time TR fans want to see and feel should be part of a TR game.
!?!? Wow.....finally SOMEONE understands........
Before the news on Legend came out, Tomb Raider was in decline...whether you liked AoD or not, it was bigger than AoD......critics were even trashing the old games......Legend has brought the series' prestige back.....Tomb Raider is no longer the joke it was in 2003,04.......Legend has made TR8 possible, and has made this remake possible......
Without Legend, the TR series might have died .....
So to the people who say Legend is "dumbed down" and CD has "no right to re-make the game".......Ill ask you this.......
Would you rather have NO more TR games, and No re-make?????
Because thats probably what would have happened if Eidos had stuck with Core.......AoD may have sold ok, but TR is like a big budget movie.....they need better sales than most games to make up for the above average amount of money they put into an "Elite Level" project like a TR game......and if Cores TR7 didnt make good enough returns, Eidos would have put Tomb Raider on indefinite hiatus, and brought it back 10 years from now.....like the pitfall series or something......a sad path for our beloved Lara......
I cant believe we're STILL having this conversation.....
This anniversary edition is a BONUS.....were LUCKY to be getting a re-make......and people are complaining without even having seen a screenshot???
Ok i can understand people having problems with the way Legend went, maybe it was a shock to see TR go down such a different path.....but to complain about this re-make is crazy IMO....
AT LEAST wait till you see something
Saying youre not going to buy it because CD is making it is just plain stubborn....
I have alot more faith in cd doing a remake right than I would if they were doing tr8. If tr8 was being made when it is released I'll wait a while for feedback from the fans and then decide whether to buy it coz of the way I was let down so much by legend. However I have all the faith in the world they'll do the remake to the best of their abilities and it will be as good as the original or possibly even better. I'm getting the remake as soon as it comes out coz I believe cd would take proper inspiration from the original and make it even better.
!?!? Wow.....finally SOMEONE understands........
Before the news on Legend came out, Tomb Raider was in decline...whether you liked AoD or not, it was bigger than AoD......critics were even trashing the old games......Legend has brought the series' prestige back.....Tomb Raider is no longer the joke it was in 2003,04.......Legend has made TR8 possible, and has made this remake possible......
Without Legend, the TR series might have died .....
So to the people who say Legend is "dumbed down" and CD has "no right to re-make the game".......Ill ask you this.......
Would you rather have NO more TR games, and No re-make?????
Because thats probably what would have happened if Eidos had stuck with Core.......AoD may have sold ok, but TR is like a big budget movie.....they need better sales than most games to make up for the above average amount of money they put into an "Elite Level" project like a TR game......and if Cores TR7 didnt make good enough returns, Eidos would have put Tomb Raider on indefinite hiatus, and brought it back 10 years from now.....like the pitfall series or something......a sad path for our beloved Lara......
I cant believe we're STILL having this conversation.....
This anniversary edition is a BONUS.....were LUCKY to be getting a re-make......and people are complaining without even having seen a screenshot???
Ok i can understand people having problems with the way Legend went, maybe it was a shock to see TR go down such a different path.....but to complain about this re-make is crazy IMO....
AT LEAST wait till you see something
Saying youre not going to buy it because CD is making it is just plain stubborn....
It may have bought TR back, but in a completely different way, it is taking tr is a completely different direction (who cares about lara's bloody mum!) DO NOT say we are 'lucky to get a remake', you make it sound like we should be thankful or something, It's a business decision, it's not like they are thinking about us in this... well, just about our money. They are lucky that they have so many fans of tr that would buy a game that says TR even if its nothing like TR.
We will still be seeing TR Games for a long time, no matter who the publisher was/is. I believe if Eidos (for some reason) could not give tr to another company, Core would still be making games. TR Games sell well no matter what, It has been prooved with AoD and Legend. People are still willing to buy, following a bad game. TR is what MAKES eidos, they are not going to give it up
If Eidos release a statement, right after we find out the core tr:ae project has been ditched, saying Crystal D are making the anniversary edition, without releasing screenshots or footage. It's obvious people are going to talk, theres nothing you can do about it.
I agree, if Core and Crystal D worked together to complete this game it could possibly be the best tr game yet. But I don't think this makes sense to Eidos because it means paying twice the amount of people... I don't know.
?? How exactly would that work???
People keep saying that...."Core and CD should work together"
How exactly would two game developers, one in San Francisco, and the other in England, go about developing ONE videogame???? Besides the difference in distance, there would be a difference in opinion....
You guys gotta let Core go already.......this is kinda the nail in Cores coffin.....
?? How exactly would that work???
People keep saying that...."Core and CD should work together"
How exactly would two game developers, one in San Francisco, and the other in England, go about developing ONE videogame????
You guys gotta let Core go already.......this is kinda the nail in Cores coffin.....
Have you never heard of companies offices in different countries working on one project? ... Just because they live in different places does not make it impossible to create a project together. They can be working on different things within the project.
Shut up and be grateful a remake is being made.
illuminati30
17-06-06, 16:52
Shut up and be grateful a remake is being made.
Now now, remember to be friendly. Its quite acceptable that people feel apprehensive about such a already brilliant game being remade.
Have you never heard of companies offices in different countries working on one project? ... Just because they live in different places does not make it impossible to create a project together. They can be working on different things within the project.
Dude......let it go.......Core/Tomb raider is a dead relationship......
Shut up and be grateful a remake is being made.
I have nothing to be grateful for! They are not making this on my behalf! It's not like without me this remake would not be made is it?! It is a BUSINESS DECISION! Tr has LOTS of fans, Us complaining, discussing, or being rude about it is NOT going to stop them making it is it?! They aren't going to cry and say 'FINE. BE LIKE THAT. NO REMAKE FOR YOU.' Why should I be grateful if I am going to paying for the game!? If I buy the game I want it to be GOOD!
Dude......let it go.......Core/Tomb raider is a dead relationship......
'Dude', I know it is, I didn't say it wasn't, I just said it would be a good idea if they worked together on one project and I'm sure it'd be a great game. I didn't say it WOULD happen did I? :o
'Dude', I know it is, I didn't say it wasn't, I just said it would be a good idea if they worked together on one project and I'm sure it'd be a great game. I didn't say it WOULD happen did I? :o
Its a bad idea anyway
Its a bad idea anyway
In your opinion. Just because i'd LIKE something to happen doesn't me it will. I'd like to win the lottery but I don't see that happening any day soon. kthnxbi.
I.Am.Natla
17-06-06, 17:07
Shut up and be grateful a remake is being made.
Yup, Thankyou, that was what really needed to be said. I've made suggestions about what I would like and what I wouldn't like in there, but I haven't gone on a full out rant about CD making it. Who cares who makes it? TBH, a games what you make it, and that's that.
-Liam
illuminati30
17-06-06, 17:11
Yup, Thankyou, that was what really needed to be said.
Actually, no it didnt, it was down right rude and childish.
Who cares who makes it? TBH, a games what you make it, and that's that.
-Liam
Not really, its how they make it :wve:
I have nothing to be grateful for! They are not making this on my behalf! It's not like without me this remake would not be made is it?! It is a BUSINESS DECISION! Tr has LOTS of fans, Us complaining, discussing, or being rude about it is NOT going to stop them making it is it?! They aren't going to cry and say 'FINE. BE LIKE THAT. NO REMAKE FOR YOU.' Why should I be grateful if I am going to paying for the game!? If I buy the game I want it to be GOOD!
From what you wrote from above it is clear you allready realize that CD wont be listening to your or anyones petty complaints. Hoping and dreaming about the game being the way you would like it to be is nice and all, but loosing control and venting out your anger on internet forums two days after eidos confermation is not the right thing to do either..
Despite the hollywood gimiks: headset, shhiitty programed bike jumping over two buildings, billions or mercs and so on. Legend was not all that bad a game. Give CD a chance with TR1 Core said they are going in somewhat the same direction. So I'm sure it wont be as horrible as you ppl imagine.
Either way I'm excited about the remake :jmp:
Shut up and be grateful a remake is being made.
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Ouch....
the guy might have been a little rude, but youve gotta see his point.......Ive had people tell me to shut up before and then some, and i didnt see them get suspended....
Why don't they just cooperate? I'm sure the result would be better.
The remake doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the exact same game. The locations will be the same, but the general gameplay will differ. The doubts that some people have are logical. How can you transfer the original game, which was built with an ancient engine, to a modern style? Lara will swing on poles and possibly climb up ladders.
In any case, I wouldn't jump into conclusions now. They will definitely release videos and we will be able to make the comparison between the original game and the remake. Then we will have just an idea if the remake is decent. Valid opinions can be said after we have completed the game.
I agree on all counts :tmb:
Tomb Raider Jay
17-06-06, 17:25
I very much doubt that, Pipolinne.
People are disappointed. People don't like the direction the series has been going with CD.
Last time I checked, nobody has been made the opinion police on this forum.
I like the direction Crystal Dynamics are going in and I'm a hard-core TR fan!
Maybe I am a little disappointed with Legend but you know what - Legend is ONLY Crystals first attempt and for a first attempt they did not bad at all! IMO
Crystal were only testing the water with Legend, to see what the fans liked and what they didn't - then improve TR8 thanks to the response given by the fans for what they thought about Legend, you know?
I feel this negative feeling towards Crystal some people have is going way over the top - Crystal know the Legend game was too short, they know it's too easy and above all else they know TR has a strong fanbase who voice there opinions and concerns over the games.
Look at when Legend was being made - people wanted TR to be like Prince of Persia and it happened - so any gripes with Legend will be adressed in TR8 :D
As for the original poster who said Crystal have no right to touch the
re-make
Why are you saying that :confused: , because it's already going ahead
Crystal will do what Eidos tells them to, they are Tomb Raider's publisher afterall. And we are LUCKY we are even getting a Tomb Raider re-make game, Eidos could have not bothered with the game and there would be nothing for TR's 10th Anniversary.
Sorry if I ranted on but these types of threads are annoying, the re-make is going ahead with Crystal as the developer, if you don't like it then the answer is simple don't buy the game :)
OK, don't make me douse the whole board with ritilin! :vlol: Calm down everybody. As the voice of reason, elen did mention we have nothing to check out yet. No reason to be flying off the handle or chewing on each others throats... yet! :p
Yes, legend brought lara back, fast accurate controls, nothing to feel bad about there! But yes, they let us down with linear, easy gameplay. We have to wait and see what comes of their version of TRAE. It could be a nail in their coffin if they blow it. Lots of pressure on them now. Who knows if they were even going to make it if the "illegal" clip didn't show up? I've had a couple sources say that clip was all cores, but I can't say who. But I believe them. There won't be a collaberation between the two companies, so just forget about it, not gonna happen. ;)
Ive had people tell me to shut up before and then some, and i didnt see them get suspended....
That's because I didn't see it. I can undersatnd any kind of debates (even the hard ones), but there is one thing that I can't tolerate: Talking to members like this. If they want to behave like this, this is not the place.
sam_raider_05
17-06-06, 17:34
EDIT: forget it...
Who knows if they were even going to make it if the "illegal" clip didn't show up?
I dont believe this is something New, im pretty sure they have already been working on this for a while......I seem to be leaning towards the idea posted by others that CD and Core both had remakes going, and that Cores was cancelled, but CD's is going to be released....they wouldnt announce this info if CD hadnt even started working on te game yet.........
.....I think we will be playing TRAE earlier than we all think.....:)
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 17:44
I see how the lot of you can say Legend is going into a completely different direction than the originals. yeah it maybe the easiest, but its the most fun. They brought tombs back didin't They? Yes. There are no crappy strength rpg things in legend like in AOD. Legend is so much closer than the original games and it is just a fun as the first two, its much easier to pick up and play. I liked how someone finally pointed out that Legend was a controlled project for almost anybody because it had to be easy so that everyone could get back and enjoy tomb raider. NOw that every one is familar with classic tomb raider yes I said classic! They can make even more like TR 1 but keep the things that made legend good and a great game. To say legend is not tomb raider is an insult no only to CD but to me and other fans that think its a great game. If anything AOD was not tomb raider, I went walking around for the first 3 hours to talk to people. Tomb Raider is about RAiding tombs not lara clearing her name for murder. I mean how unreal is that they think that she killed von croy yet they never questioned her for the deaths of an entire Cult in TR2 about 6 people in TR 1. Imean lots of people. tomb Raider is Tomb Raider because you raid tombs, legend brought back the tombs and Tomb Raiding! If i want to talk on the streets Of paris remind me to get Talk raider 6 for the 3DO!
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 17:45
If it feels good, don't do it...:vlol:
Sam Raider - telling people to shut up is a bad thing... (yes, I saw it before you edited it. Expressing an opinion about the game is cool. Telling another member to shut up because they don't expressly agree with your opinion isn't...)
1) To the 'you should be grateful' crew: I'm not 'grateful' for anything I have to pay for. That's like being grateful to Tesco's for stocking bread.
2) As for 'would you be happy if TR died?' question - Yes. I'd rather the TR franchise was allowed to die a dignified death than have it turn into 'generic actioner 256'. Or even worse, the 'Halloween' series.
3) I am not personally bashing CD. I love the LoK games - nothing will change that. However, as a TR game, Legend disapponted me and I am suffering from a severe case of 'one bitten, twice shy'.
4) TR1 is a very, very special game to a lot of people - handing it over to someone else and saying 'remake it' is rather like a publisher handing over Lord of the Rings to, oh, I don't know, Robert Jordan or Robin Hobb and saying 're-write it'. Some will be excited - they love the new authors and want to see what they come up with. Others will hate it - don't mess with the classic! And then there'll be the little group of people - big Tolkein fans who also like the other authors work, but have seen some of their Tolkein-esque stuff and, whislt it's okay, it doesn't just measure up to the original stuff who are very, very wary right now... I'm one of the latter, and I fully admit it. I have incredibly mixed feelings about this remake... so many of the things I love get the 'remake' treatment and end up being ****e, quite frankly.
There again, to quote Bill Bailey: 'I'm English, therefore I crave disappointment...' ;)
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 17:49
I dont believe this is something New, im pretty sure they have already been working on this for a while......I seem to be leaning towards the idea posted by others that CD and Core both had remakes going, and that Cores was cancelled, but CD's is going to be released....they wouldnt announce this info if CD hadnt even started working on te game yet.........
.....I think we will be playing TRAE earlier than we all think.....:)
I am pretty positive too that TRAE has been in the works since last year at the lastest. I mean it is cocincdence that they just say hey isn't Tomb Raider ten years old this year hey Its six months away lets make it! No its a project thats probably been on the drawing board since last January or even eariler! It isn't no spare of the moment deal, no game ever is, its planned and so forth especially CD they wouldn't release a game that isn't ready. Look at legend you thought it was short imagine if they would have released it in December as thought before! What a different game that would be!
I don't know why some of you doubt CD's skills and work habits Ive played almost every one of their games and each one is of good quality, they don't rush, they care about the consumer and want to make the best game!
4) TR1 is a very, very special game to a lot of people - handing it over to someone else and saying 'remake it' is rather like a publisher handing over Lord of the Rings to, oh, I don't know, Robert Jordan or Robin Hobb and saying 're-write it'. Some will be excited - they love the new authors and want to see what they come up with. Others will hate it - don't mess with the classic! And then there'll be the little group of people - big Tolkein fans who also like the other authors work, but have seen some of their Tolkein-esque stuff and, whislt it's okay, it doesn't just measure up to the original stuff who are very, very wary right now... I'm one of the latter, and I fully admit it. I have incredibly mixed feelings about this remake... so many of the things I love get the 'remake' treatment and end up being ****e, quite frankly.
As a Tolkien fanatic I don't really like the LOTR comparison... Don't mess with the REAL classic! ;)
I see how the lot of you can say Legend is going into a completely different direction than the originals. yeah it maybe the easiest, but its the most fun. They brought tombs back didin't They? Yes. There are no crappy strength rpg things in legend like in AOD. Legend is so much closer than the original games and it is just a fun as the first two, its much easier to pick up and play. I liked how someone finally pointed out that Legend was a controlled project for almost anybody because it had to be easy so that everyone could get back and enjoy tomb raider. NOw that every one is familar with classic tomb raider yes I said classic! They can make even more like TR 1 but keep the things that made legend good and a great game. To say legend is not tomb raider is an insult no only to CD but to me and other fans that think its a great game. If anything AOD was not tomb raider, I went walking around for the first 3 hours to talk to people. Tomb Raider is about RAiding tombs not lara clearing her name for murder. I mean how unreal is that they think that she killed von croy yet they never questioned her for the deaths of an entire Cult in TR2 about 6 people in TR 1. Imean lots of people. tomb Raider is Tomb Raider because you raid tombs, legend brought back the tombs and Tomb Raiding! If i want to talk on the streets Of paris remind me to get Talk raider 6 for the 3DO!
But I don't want a tomb raider game to be easy! I WANT it to be hard! I want it to last a long time! The only puzzle I had a problem with was Peru, the ball puzzle, and thats because the crappy grapple ONLY works if you stand in exactly the right place! At least Angel of Darkness was harder, and had a nice atmosphere. Maybe it was also taking tomb raider in the wrong direction, but I think it would have worked well if it had been completely finished. Though I understand your points....
I keep saying this, But I completely agree with Elysia! We seem to always agree :P
As a Tolkien fanatic I don't really like the LOTR comparison... Don't mess with the REAL classic! ;)
But Peter Jackson did just that. Yes, he did it successfully, but he did re-write LotR... It's all relative. I know quite a few people who think Tolkein is a borning lump of rubbishness but kind of like the story and therefore would be interested in seeing an update. I'm hoping CD do what Peter Jackson did - respect the original material, but also bring a fresh angle to the story. Peter succeeded because he had a love for the original material and respected it and its fans. If CD do the same, then there is no reason at all why is should fail.
I'm a huge Tolkein fan too, so using that comparison was deliberate - it is meant to be a painful comparison, so that the newer TR fans (not just Legend) may realise exactly how the old TR1 fans feel about their game being potentially messed with...
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 18:04
But I don't want a tomb raider game to be easy! I WANT it to be hard! I want it to last a long time! The only puzzle I had a problem with was Peru, the ball puzzle, and thats because the crappy grapple ONLY works if you stand in exactly the right place! At least Angel of Darkness was harder, and had a nice atmosphere. Maybe it was also taking tomb raider in the wrong direction, but I think it would have worked well if it had been completely finished. Though I understand your points....
I keep saying this, But I completely agree with Elysia! We seem to always agree :P
Oh, I agree with you also that it should be hard that is a trademark of the original games was being difficult in all ways! And yeah Legend shyed away from that, yeah if AOD was completely done it would have been better! I just personally think Legend like you said isn't there yet! But I think its heading in the right direction. It isn't classic TR, I don't expect it to be, I just want it to lean a litte more towards it in open levels, harder enemies, animals, hard levels, and atmosphere! But I still think Legend is just chuging along because people all kinds are enjoying! I think everyone hear liked it a little or in someway or another. Just imagine if they listen to us and make it alittle more original, because I'll quote from undertaker eariler this week, "We ain't seen nothing yet!" :)
Yes I am sure that in a couple of TRs time, if not in the next TR made by Crystal Dynamics, it'll have learnt from some of it's 'mistakes' (sorry I don't like to call them mistakes, but I can't think of another word) and listened to some of the constructive critism given here. I haven't always been nice to Crystal D I will admit, but I did get a little angry when my favourite game had been messed with. Hopefully better TRs will come our way in the future
Since Legend came out,it seems some fans feel a special pleasure not criticizing CD,but making destructive comments. I sincerly feel sometimes it looks like hate,but,as most of those who criticize won't ever create even a bad quality game in their lives,I'm almost positive all those negative comments are nothing more than envy.
Someone agrees with me! Thank you! :jmp:
Elysia: Thanks for the great comparison and good point.
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 18:17
Yes I am sure that in a couple of TRs time, if not in the next TR made by Crystal Dynamics, it'll have learnt from some of it's 'mistakes' (sorry I don't like to call them mistakes, but I can't think of another word) and listened to some of the constructive critism given here. I haven't always been nice to Crystal D I will admit, but I did get a little angry when my favourite game had been messed with. Hopefully better TRs will come our way in the future
Exactly, we can dislike and critize CD for making the Game short and Easy and all that ECT...! But we can't be critizing the next TR games like the REmake and 8 because we don't have any idea what it will be like! I mean they could do alot and especially having already get the engine going. Look at TR 2 in one installment TR 2 brought cities vehicles, different weapons, different traps and even a whole 4 levels i think of swimming! Thats amazing! I just say to anyone don't doubt what you have yet to see! I beat you anything TR8 will be just what the doctor ordered!:)
Envy? I'm not envious of something if it didn't live up to my expectations. I might dispise it. :p Hang in there taika, that is a fear many of us have, but CD hasn't shown us what they have for us. They do know they need to make the annivesary game have the original goodies. If they don't and leave stuff out, then it will be time to be upset. Sounds like you'll give them a chance. I will too. :D Elysia, marry us! Group wedding!! You, me, riv, matt, and several others think too much alike! Or were we from the same womb??? :tea: (plus think of the hot steamy sex, when one tires theres another lover) http://forum.fbodyowners.com/forum/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif
shockwave_pulsar00
17-06-06, 18:21
I find it all so funny how the game is now being called a cash-in now that CD is the developer. Just a few days ago when people thought it was going to be Core making the game, they thought it was the greatest thing ever......
Just an observation I have noticed.
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 18:22
I still can't shake off the cash run feeling even if it is developed by Core...
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 18:22
Hey, I have no doubt because there isn't anything to doubt yet, come on! ITs Tomb Raider, the classic, Relax for now! :)
But Peter Jackson did just that. Yes, he did it successfully, but he did re-write LotR... It's all relative. I know quite a few people who think Tolkein is a borning lump of rubbishness but kind of like the story and therefore would be interested in seeing an update. I'm hoping CD do what Peter Jackson did - respect the original material, but also bring a fresh angle to the story. Peter succeeded because he had a love for the original material and respected it and its fans. If CD do the same, then there is no reason why is shouldn't fail.
I'm a huge Tolkein fan too, so using that comparison was deliberate - it is meant to be a painful comparison, so that the newer TR fans (not just Legend) may realise exactly how the old TR1 fans feel about their game being potentially messed with...
Uh oh... You got me here. Can't say I'm prepared for a "LOTR screening - masterpiece or piece of crap" discussion right now. I haven't even thought about Tolkien more deeply for a couple of years, I don't remember much and prefer to keep it that way for the next year. You have to forgive my personal paranoia. Let's assume it's 1:0 for you as for now ;)
I still can't shake off the cash run feeling even if it is developed by Core...
:D Awww, come on! Anything popular with 'remake' anywhere near it is an obvious cash in. And just as long as it's is a good cash in, I'm quite happy to buy into it! It's the nature of the beast, my dears. Everything is down to moolah at the end of the day... world we live in, I'm afraid.
Uh oh... You got me here. Can't say I'm prepared for a "LOTR screening - masterpiece or piece of crap" discussion right now. I haven't even thought about Tolkien more deeply for a couple of years, I don't remember much and prefer to keep it that way for the next year. You have to forgive my personal paranoia. Let's assume it's 1:0 for you as for now ;)
;) There's nothing to 'win' - no competition from me! :hug: (Although starting me on the LotR 'book vs film' comparison is a dangerous thing.. I could bore the hind legs off a donkey when I get started on that particular number!)
Elysia, marry us! Group wedding!! You, me, riv, matt, and several others think too much alike! Or were we from the same womb??? :tea: (plus think of the hot steamy sex, when one tires theres another lover) http://forum.fbodyowners.com/forum/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif
Vman - I've just caught what you said! *looks a little flustered...* Oooh, matron! :p
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 18:38
:D Awww, come on! Anything popular with 'remake' anywhere near it is an obvious cash in. And just as long as it's is a good cash in, I'm quite happy to buy into it! It's the nature of the beast, my dears. Everything is down to moolah at the end of the day... world we live in, I'm afraid.
I just had a bad experience with another remake of one of my fav series...
TRhistorian
17-06-06, 18:41
Long terms fans since day one are never going to be quiet about this. After Legend, they are going to completely ruin the game I grew up with, the game that I am here for in the frist place.
I will not be greatful for a game that will ruin it for not only us, but new comers to the game. I refuse to play a game that has been "Legendfied".
trhistorian we know absolutely nothing about the game. You cant just say it crap now just coz cd are doing it and you are dissapointed with legend. I was very dissapointed with legend too but with a remake they'd actually have to take inspiration from tr1 so it should be better. I'm also very skeptical about cd doing it but I'm not jumping to conclusions. I think we all need to wait till we see some trailers until we make judgements. I dont know what to think at the moment. I'm very happy its coming out but we have no more info about it so I dont know whether its going to be good or bad. Just reserve your judgements until we know more about the game. Dont just bash it coz your dissapointed with legend.
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Mmmmmmhmmmmm elen go on wit yo bad self girlfriend :ohn:
but Seriously
I was gonna say something about what they said it was really rude...
Annnyways
This remake debate is... well i guess suspected. I thought there would be stuff like this. Everyone has there own opinons no need to get into it to much...
me, riv, matt, and several others think too much alike! Or were we from the same womb??? (plus think of the hot steamy sex, when one tires theres another lover)
Oy Vey!
:D Elysia, marry us! Group wedding!! You, me, riv, matt, and several others think too much alike! Or were we from the same womb??? :tea: (plus think of the hot steamy sex, when one tires theres another lover) http://forum.fbodyowners.com/forum/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif
Vman!! :eek: :vlol:
Vman - I've just caught what you said! *looks a little flustered...* Oooh, matron! :p
Is that a YES!? :D
Elysia - Your PM box is full, Empty it, Empty it now I say :tmb: !
Elysia - Your PM box is full, Empty it, Empty it now I say :tmb: !
Okay! Okay! I'm getting on to it right away ;) (tidying up never was my strongpoint... :p )
EDIT - sorted, matey!
rachkitten
17-06-06, 19:34
First off, I am extreamly against a re-make of a classic done by Core, its not CD's place to even touch it, regardless weither or not Toby Gard is on the team, I am against it 100%.
I understand what you mean, i wish Core would come back, even if its just for the for the anniversary :(
Tomb Raider Jay
17-06-06, 20:42
Long terms fans since day one are never going to be quiet about this. After Legend, they are going to completely ruin the game I grew up with, the game that I am here for in the frist place.
I will not be greatful for a game that will ruin it for not only us, but new comers to the game. I refuse to play a game that has been "Legendfied".
I am a long term TR fan and even after playing through Legend I have to say I'd rather the series was in the safe hands of Crystal than Core's anyday.
Even though I miss Core to :(
Of course people won't be quiet about this it's exciting news :)
The re-make of Tomb Raider is a huge deal for TR fans and probably even bigger than the release of Tomb Raider Legend :D
I can understand you feel the re-make is a mistake - only a few weeks ago I posted a huge list of reasons why the TR re-make was such a disasterous idea - but the fact is Tomb Raider will ALWAYS be a classic game and no-one can take that away, you know :)
A re-make is really like celebrating the original Tomb Raider game. That's why it's being released to co-inside with TR's 10th Anniversary!
And Crystal aren't stupid, they know what TR means to us or at least Toby Gard does - and he's incharge of this project so I doubt very much he'd let Crystal ruin a game thats important to him - Tomb Raider was always his favourite game in the series - let alone the TR fans :p
Even after saying all that I do feel Crystal have a daunting task ahead of them, however they can do this! ;)
Anyway I'll just wait and see what the first screens show us and developer interviews say before I comment any further :D
The only thing that really gets me about this remake being done by Crystal is this - they get to take all of the inventiveness, beauty and ingenuity of Core's from the first TR (of which Legend was seriously lacking) put together some higher resolution graphics and then claim the glory.
They tried to make a TR game, Legend, and look at it. Most inventive bit was different sweater colours for the winter wear selection... Oh, and a see-saw, yawn...
Elysia, marry us! Group wedding!! You, me, riv, matt, and several others think too much alike! Or were we from the same womb??? :tea:
You guys crack me up.
Wait a minute. You said 'group'! Eidos are a group! Therefore, you must work for them as a spy on this site. :pi:
But wait though. You also said 'think too much'. So you obviously can't be too high up in the company. :vlol:
Anyway. I heard that you guys are not the original fans anyway. All the original fans went off to play some other game. So you don't even like Lara. :ohn:
Am I getting the hang of this yet? :vlol:
As Blunted said, it's all the fault of the reverse vampires.
Anyway. I heard that you guys are not the original fans anyway. All the original fans went off to play some other game. So you don't even like Lara.
Man "that" (;) ) view is starting to bug me!
*hides vampire teeth* :pi:
tombraider123
17-06-06, 23:12
especially if Legend was a failure in the Tomb Raider world
This is not true.
TRhistorian
17-06-06, 23:36
trhistorian we know absolutely nothing about the game. You cant just say it crap now just coz cd are doing it and you are dissapointed with legend. I was very dissapointed with legend too but with a remake they'd actually have to take inspiration from tr1 so it should be better. I'm also very skeptical about cd doing it but I'm not jumping to conclusions. I think we all need to wait till we see some trailers until we make judgements. I dont know what to think at the moment. I'm very happy its coming out but we have no more info about it so I dont know whether its going to be good or bad. Just reserve your judgements until we know more about the game. Dont just bash it coz your dissapointed with legend.
I wasn't disapointed in Legend. I'm disapointed theyre going to make a re-make using the Legend engine, that ticks me off. Not only that, they actually have the nerve to touch this game knowing many Tomb Raider fans will walk out on them if they ruin it.
The trailer may seem amazing to us all right now, but we had the same reaction to Legend. It seemed to be the best game. It seemed they had everything down. It seemed that Eidos was finally going to have a game that all Tomb Raider fans wanted. And where is all that now?
Any person who would want to make a re-make other than the original creators will never be sucessful, even if they have the father of Tomb Raider on the team.
Look at games like Sonic, Pokemon, etc. They were all the same original developers, what makes you all think that this anniversary edition will even be able to hold up?
We all thought Legend would hold up far beyond AOD when the reality of it is, many gaming sites still to this day hold their opinion, its not far off from AOD. Sure many people can argue that the AOD and the Legend model have much different about them when in reality, theyre very much the same, only Legend is far more advanced with many more features.
Its much more than re-making the game, and from what I have seen, the look seems to be down pact but what about the faults that definantly are going to show up?
Did it occur to anyone that this still counts as a Tomb Raider game? Eidos is ruthless and if they see no sales, kiss them good-bye. If they ruin this game, the rest of Tomb Raider is bound for a bad name, and CD will be to blame becuase they went off and did a re-make of a game not even their own.
I'm not going to be buying this game, its a shame and a very disapointing thing for them to create this and I will take no part in this.
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 23:40
You know when the say Legend Engine it is not the gameplay elements in legend! I hope you don't think that! Its only the graphics, physics and stuff like that technical stuff, and they can always mess with lara's moves to make them more original! And still were not even sure if it is the Legend Engine, although highly likely, maybe its a brand new one just for the remake! We don't know at all anything other than CD is remaking TR 1!
TRhistorian
17-06-06, 23:43
It is definantly the Legend engine, thank-you. My family is in the computer graphics and what-nots.
And as I have said, they are Legendfying it.
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 23:54
Ok but the legend engine is only Graphics and Physics and lighting it has nothing to do with the gameplay other than Ragdoll effects and water and stuff like that! Engines do not change if lara will have a grapple or not or what ever you think will mess up the original! Believe me the REmake will look awesome in legends engine and it will not be legendifidy in the way i think you are leading us to think. That she'll have a grapple and all that no the should and will stay true to the original its a remake come on have faith!
Ok but the legend engine is only Graphics and Physics and lighting it has nothing to do with the gameplay other than Ragdoll effects and water and stuff like that! Engines do not change if lara will have a grapple or not or what ever you think will mess up the original! Believe me the REmake will look awesome in legends engine and it will not be legendifidy in the way i think you are leading us to think. That she'll have a grapple and all that no the should and will stay true to the original its a remake come on have faith!Does the engine control the movements and camera set up though? Or not?
WhosaidAODwasbad
18-06-06, 00:15
Yes , I believe so! But it does not dictate whether or not lara will swim the same way or have the grapple or what ever! The animation artist and the programmers have to create the animations and code to make it happen and put it in the engine! So they can easily make lara have old moves and new moves!
TRhistorian
18-06-06, 00:19
Yup @ Blackmoor.
Just by making things like Legend, this game itself has been ruined. Just becuase this game is already set in a complete tomb environment, doesn't mean classic Tomb Raider is back. Once again, I have said, they have Legendfied it. By giving her moves like in Legend, that is Legendfying it. By giving her the look of the model in Legend, that is Legendfying it. And even by giving her grenades, the backback, the pony tail, pole swing, etc. That is Legend, not a classic.
Since, once again, they feel a need to change things around to fit their needs, I'm not bothering. They have ruined it for me already by turning it into another Legend. Classic Tomb Raider was classic becuase it was basic and CD has made their version different from the original. I hate it.
WhosaidAODwasbad
18-06-06, 00:26
We haven't even seen Footage of it yet! The pole swinging was from Core's Trailer! And how can you say the controls be bad maybe there will be an extra or a way to have original or legend stuff you never know! Plus I do see lara's model from legend in the remake but with a bun like the original and the Teal shirt and kayki or brown shorts! I really doubt she'll look exactly like Legend TR!
I bet you anything lara and the remake game will resemble the flash back level in legend! That was cool didn't you think!? I mean they got the outfit right except I think she had a braid like TR 2 and on ward!
She had a braid in Tomb Raider 1 also, if you look at the FMV's she has a braid. Due to the limitations of the graphics at the time they tied it up during the game. l would also think they would maybe make the Lara model they are going to use a bit younger than the one we saw in Legend. And it is not sure yet whether or not the weapons are going to be changed, to stay true to the original there will be NO sign of Alistair and Zip. There is nothing wrong with the moves or controls in Legend they were great, l do not see them using the grapple in the remake though, but we will have to wait and see
I dont understand why such topic posters are not in the gaming industry sinds they seem to know how to make a game a lot better then the professional gaming studios themselves without seeing one thing.
I wasn't disapointed in Legend. I'm disapointed theyre going to make a re-make using the Legend engine, that ticks me off. Not only that, they actually have the nerve to touch this game knowing many Tomb Raider fans will walk out on them if they ruin it.
The trailer may seem amazing to us all right now, but we had the same reaction to Legend. It seemed to be the best game. It seemed they had everything down. It seemed that Eidos was finally going to have a game that all Tomb Raider fans wanted. And where is all that now?
Any person who would want to make a re-make other than the original creators will never be sucessful, even if they have the father of Tomb Raider on the team.
Look at games like Sonic, Pokemon, etc. They were all the same original developers, what makes you all think that this anniversary edition will even be able to hold up?
We all thought Legend would hold up far beyond AOD when the reality of it is, many gaming sites still to this day hold their opinion, its not far off from AOD. Sure many people can argue that the AOD and the Legend model have much different about them when in reality, theyre very much the same, only Legend is far more advanced with many more features.
Its much more than re-making the game, and from what I have seen, the look seems to be down pact but what about the faults that definantly are going to show up?
Did it occur to anyone that this still counts as a Tomb Raider game? Eidos is ruthless and if they see no sales, kiss them good-bye. If they ruin this game, the rest of Tomb Raider is bound for a bad name, and CD will be to blame becuase they went off and did a re-make of a game not even their own.
I'm not going to be buying this game, its a shame and a very disapointing thing for them to create this and I will take no part in this.
I think you misunderstood what I said. From this post it sounds like you thought I think the games going to be great. I didn't say that I just said dont bash it now coz we dont know anything about it. People shouldn't be praising it or bashing it yet coz we know nothing about it yet.And may I ask if you're not buying this game why do you keep posting here? All you keep saying is how its going to suck adn you hate cd. Whats the point in posting in a section of a game that you're not going to buy?
Who better to do the remake than one of the original creators of Tomb Raider 1? True it is a different company, but the brains behind it will be the same, so l do not understand people saying they have no right to remake it
Yup @ Blackmoor.
Just by making things like Legend, this game itself has been ruined. Just becuase this game is already set in a complete tomb environment, doesn't mean classic Tomb Raider is back. Once again, I have said, they have Legendfied it. By giving her moves like in Legend, that is Legendfying it. By giving her the look of the model in Legend, that is Legendfying it. And even by giving her grenades, the backback, the pony tail, pole swing, etc. That is Legend, not a classic.
Since, once again, they feel a need to change things around to fit their needs, I'm not bothering. They have ruined it for me already by turning it into another Legend. Classic Tomb Raider was classic becuase it was basic and CD has made their version different from the original. I hate it.
Now now TRhistorian, be a good little raider and take your happy eidos pill.... there, isn't everything sunnier and brighter?
*don't worry, it was just a sugar pill* ;)
Live to fight another day, wait until we have something to look at before passing judgement, maybe some core guys will break into CD's offices and overthrow them... :D
It could happen.... NOT! :ton:
haagen-dazs
18-06-06, 09:48
The fact of the matter is: If CORE's remake was going to be superior to CD's, then don't you think EIDOS would have let them finish it?
I'm afraid that isn't the case at all. I have my own theories on this game (the core one) and whe it was made and I also know that after all the stuff with core - losing the franchise and then getting fired - Eidos would NEVER release another Core Design Tomb Raider title, not now. Too much has happened.
My opinion on the anniversary game is that if its going to be 100% like the original then i'd rather not play it. I may as well play the original, god knows it will be a far richer experience. I think that they will have to make some twists and turns in the new version, not alter it completely but some differences would be nice.
I wonder how much more 'banned' footage or even imagery will leak its way out now that we have the video.
I dont understand why such topic posters are not in the gaming industry sinds they seem to know how to make a game a lot better then the professional gaming studios themselves without seeing one thing.
Amen.
I dont understand why such topic posters are not in the gaming industry sinds they seem to know how to make a game a lot better then the professional gaming studios themselves without seeing one thing.
None of us have claimed to be game experts have we? We are entitled to our opinions, and if eidos release a game without footage or pictures, what do they expect? of course people are going to talk. Seeing as Crystal D are making the game the 'natural' thing to expect is that it will be on the legend engine, which of course would restrict what can and can't be done. I think its almost impossible to recreate a game on an engine which works in a completely different manner. Also, we are 6 months into the year, and it has only JUST been officially announced, do you not find anything worrying about that?
...and who's to say we WOULD have even heard anything if that core trailer had not been released?
Originally Posted by Piega
I dont understand why such topic posters are not in the gaming industry sinds they seem to know how to make a game a lot better then the professional gaming studios themselves without seeing one thing.Sorry Piega, but to me this is like saying nobody should watch and discuss football and it's rules, strategies and whatever....because they're NOT professional players...
Hurrrrahhhh! Turn that World Cup football off the TV right this second, and let everyone just nod sagely at and accept quietly the end product (Heheh, Final score of the World cup final = England 5 Brazil/Argentina/Germany 0, of course. :D :D).
The gaming industry should be pleased we're so interested in what they do, but I know if I was them I'd probably think we were a bunch of fools too. ;)
Obviouisly, I'm required to direct new movies, write new novels and compose new songs, as I've criticised some in the past.
Lux veritata
18-06-06, 19:43
I dont give a damn about Laras mother......................................The Legend storyline was stupid
TRhistorian
18-06-06, 20:22
I think you misunderstood what I said. From this post it sounds like you thought I think the games going to be great. I didn't say that I just said dont bash it now coz we dont know anything about it. People shouldn't be praising it or bashing it yet coz we know nothing about it yet.And may I ask if you're not buying this game why do you keep posting here? All you keep saying is how its going to suck adn you hate cd. Whats the point in posting in a section of a game that you're not going to buy?
I have as much of a right to be here as you. I don't hate them, I hate the fact there is going to be a re-make done by them when it isn't their game to touch. I can bash it if I want becuase I already know for a fact its going to have alot of Legend's gameplay in it, its ruined already, I wont even qualify this to be a re-make of the classic becuase I am so disgusted. I also have to right to voice my concern, afterall we do have key figures who come through these forums. My main reason for being here, thats none of your concern.
WhosaidAODwasbad
18-06-06, 21:33
NO whats fun it is there to touch, Eidos took it away from Core and served it to Crystal Dynamics on a silver plater! How are you going to feel if the game is amazing and awesome, don't tell me you'll still won't get it or be mad!? :(
Robsters85
18-06-06, 23:07
None of us have claimed to be game experts have we? We are entitled to our opinions, and if eidos release a game without footage or pictures, what do they expect? of course people are going to talk. Seeing as Crystal D are making the game the 'natural' thing to expect is that it will be on the legend engine, which of course would restrict what can and can't be done. I think its almost impossible to recreate a game on an engine which works in a completely different manner. Also, we are 6 months into the year, and it has only JUST been officially announced, do you not find anything worrying about that?
...and who's to say we WOULD have even heard anything if that core trailer had not been released?
yeah this concerns me also i like to think that they most probably been working on it for some time as eidos new the 10th Anniversary was coming up but it does seem strange that now all of a sudden its been offically confirmed. i guess we have to wait and see. its quite possible it be a early 2007 release as tomb raider 2 came out in 1997
ROB
TRhistorian
22-06-06, 17:38
NO whats fun it is there to touch, Eidos took it away from Core and served it to Crystal Dynamics on a silver plater! How are you going to feel if the game is amazing and awesome, don't tell me you'll still won't get it or be mad!? :(
I wont feel bad at all. My feelings are definant. If I want to hate something, I hate it. And I hate this game already and I wont buy it. Its a disgrace to Tomb Raider, its being turned into another Legend, so drop it will you? I'm getting tired of explaining my reason over and over again when they already know and they can' stand the fact that someone opposes their ideas.
Lux veritata
22-06-06, 17:44
Agree with TRhistorian.It WONT be a classic Tomb Raider with Legend moves and such!And legend is NOT TR!
Yeah,i liked Legend but not as a tomb raider game.In my eyes(and i know what im talking about cause i have been a fan of tomb raider since i was 8 years old) legend isn't tomb raider just a action game with another female heroine
interstellardave
22-06-06, 17:56
:hea:
Tomb Raider is about the environments--and the pitfalls and opportunities they present! NOT specific moves or 1 specific control scheme... too much has been made of this! No-one, not CD nor Core has to go back to the same engine, or the same moves, or the same control scheme to recreate the classic Tomb Raider gameplay. The environments are the thing here. The environments!
Agree with TRhistorian.It WONT be a classic Tomb Raider with Legend moves and such!And legend is NOT TR!
Yeah,i liked Legend but not as a tomb raider game.In my eyes(and i know what im talking about cause i have been a fan of tomb raider since i was 8 years old) legend isn't tomb raider just a action game with another female heroine
I agree legend is definitely NOT a tomb raider game really. I like the game as a great action platformer but not as a tomb raider. However I dont agree that the remake is going to be "legendified". I think cd have learnt from the negative feedback and will take inspiration from the original to make it a very good tr and possibly the best yet. At the moment I'm reserving judgement tho and will wait until I see a trailer or something till I make a proper opinion on the game. People shouldn't be assuming its going to be crap just coz cds doing it and people shouldn't be praising it yet. People should be thinking what it might be like but nothing anyone thinks at this point should make any difference to whether they're buying the game or not coz we dont know anything yet. If people are saying they're not buying the game now just coz its cd I seriously reccomend you at least wait till u see something more about the game before u already make a decision like this. At the very least u can wait a few weeks after its release and wait for feedback from the fans then make your decision.
I am a long term TR fan and even after playing through Legend I have to say I'd rather the series was in the safe hands of Crystal than Core's anyday.
This pretty much sums it up for me as well. I liked Legend. Am looking forward to the Anniversary edition - "Cash grab" or not. Any chance to run Lara around an enviroment is a good thing.
Lux veritata
22-06-06, 18:10
I never said i wouldn't by the game.I just said that legend is not tomb raider and IF the remake is similar to legend it isn't a classic cause legend isn't tomb raider.After i'v heard it SEEMS that the remake will be similar to legend BUT we dont know...so i'll shut up now
I wan't referring to u when I said people shouldn't decide to buy the game. When I agreed with u about legend I was talking to you lux veritata. I was mainly reffering to trhistorian when I said people shouldn't decide not to buy the game at this point.
Lux veritata
22-06-06, 18:18
I was actually saying it in general if someone thougt i meant that i wouldn't buy the game.
MellowYellow
22-06-06, 22:46
The fact of the matter is: If CORE's remake was going to be superior to CD's, then don't you think EIDOS would have let them finish it?
That comment assumes the only thing any publisher wants is the best game.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong and again wrong.
Psychopompador
22-06-06, 23:11
the publlisher is only mildly interested in making a good game. Their aim is to make the most money in the fastest time possible. (and hopefully have a good game to boot)
Becuase I know, many faithful and loyal fans since day one, including myself, will turn their backs on Tomb Raider forever.
PHHHFFFT HAHAHAHAHA :jmp: i wont :D i know AoD was a major Flop and u say legend is! BUT I LOVED THEM BOTH EQUALY :)
:hea:
Tomb Raider is about the environments--and the pitfalls and opportunities they present! NOT specific moves or 1 specific control scheme... too much has been made of this! No-one, not CD nor Core has to go back to the same engine, or the same moves, or the same control scheme to recreate the classic Tomb Raider gameplay. The environments are the thing here. The environments!
Gods, I could kiss you, 'dave (but I won't...... okay, I will! :gki: ).
I've been banging n about this for the beginning. A challenging environment, the atmosphere, the ability to explore - *that's* what makes a TR game! It has nothing to do with grid systems, outfits, Lara's past - it's all so much window-dressing. The true heart of TR comes from the enviroments and the feelings they invoke in the player. If CD can get that right in TR8, we'll all be golden! :D
the publlisher is only mildly interested in making a good game. Their aim is to make the most money in the fastest time possible. (and hopefully have a good game to boot)
Of course this is what every publisher wants - maximum amount of milk for the minimum amount of moo.
I have a sneaking suspicion that 'whoever' (I'm not getting into this 'Eidos vs Cd vs Core' thing...) thought they could knock a game out with Lara in it, slap on the TR name and we'd all lap it up without complaint... which a lot of us haven't (even the people who love Legend often add some kind of 'but it was too short' or '...but it was too easy' suffix to their arguments, which are still classified as criticisms in my book, even if they are contained within an overall positive comment. Although, I have to say - if TR8 is as special as it could be (c'mon CD... you've got LoK under your belt - I KNOW you can do atmospheric and intelligent gameplay!!), all of the criticisms, no matter how harsh, will be 100% worth it!
PHHHFFFT HAHAHAHAHA :jmp: i wont :D i know AoD was a major Flop and u say legend is! BUT I LOVED THEM BOTH EQUALY :)
What TRhistorian says is serious
Can't we all just hug and get along? *Gets out harp*
I'm jealous, elysia kissed dave! :p
*kicks rock*
I'm jealous, elysia kissed dave! :p
*kicks rock*
:vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
interstellardave
23-06-06, 11:30
I'm jealous, elysia kissed dave! :p
*kicks rock*
My milkshake brings all the babes to the yard! :cln:
(Dumb song but that line makes me laugh, and laugh, and laugh...)
*sneaks up on dave*
*applies the master lock*
*watches dave pass out*
*runs away* :mis:
interstellardave
23-06-06, 11:48
NOOOOOOO!!!! I can't believe you got me with the Masterlock! Jobbing to Chris Masters... I am ashamed... :o
thepetemaster
23-06-06, 13:34
Did you just get your butt kicked Dave - by a clown?
The SHAME
*hands vman world heavyweight forum posters belt*
interstellardave
23-06-06, 13:40
Did you just get your butt kicked Dave - by a clown?
The SHAME
*hands vman world heavyweight forum posters belt*
Hey now! Not so fast... he tapped out twice yesterday to the ankle lock... and you heard him, he snuck up on me unawares... :mad: obviously not a title match situation! :D
thepetemaster
23-06-06, 14:03
I smell a re-match :)
interstellardave
23-06-06, 14:39
I smell a re-match :)
Since this has all gone way off-topic, I called out thevman in the WWE thread... :D
*sneaks up on dave and spears him* :D
*sneaks up on dave and spaers him* :D
i hope spaering is less painful than spearing teehee :ton:
konichi-wa
23-06-06, 15:00
All I can say is, they better not Legendfy it. Becuase I know, many faithful and loyal fans since day one, including myself, will turn their backs on Tomb Raider forever.
what do u mean by legendfy it, do u mean gameplay, graphics or bad things like zip and allister( although i didn't mind them in legend, i would hate to see them in a remake), or somewhat americanize it or take away the tr feel
what do u mean by legendfy it, do u mean gameplay, graphics or bad things like zip and allister( although i didn't mind them in legend, i would hate to see them in a remake), or somewhat americanize it or take away the tr feel
that's such a pompous remark.
i hope spaering is less painful than spearing teehee :ton:
OOPS! Fixed it! :ton:
konichi-wa
23-06-06, 15:07
that's such a pompous remark.
i just looked up pompous, still not 100% sure wahat it means, but i'm american too, and i feel it was somewhat americanized, lara her mom and allister were the only ppl that sounded british
OOPS! Fixed it! :ton:
did you happen to see all the weather changes yesterday. i was waiting for snow. we would have had a full years worth of seasons had it happened.
Rain, Sun, Cool, Hot, Humid, Dry. what the heck!?
I made the mistake of wearing shorts today, kind of chilly... BRRRRRRRRRRRR!
*turns blue*
bahhh lucky! i have to wear work attire. thank god my work allows us not to wear ties anymore. i felt like a stiff jerk in them.
It's Chicago. Love it or lieve it. A new topic to bicker bicker bicker about.
I made the mistake of wearing shorts today, kind of chilly... BRRRRRRRRRRRR!
*turns blue*
Blue clowns have been done before. We need to move forward. I suggest the Eodos turn it over to Ubisoft.
*goes out for smoke*
*turns green*
*goes out for lunch*
*turns purple*
*comes back in*
*turns red*
WhosaidAODwasbad
23-06-06, 16:22
Sci maybe bought by midway maybe even ubisoft anything can happen!
why isn't midway and Surreal not making Drakan any more that was a fun game!?
*goes out for smoke*
*turns green*
*goes out for lunch*
*turns purple*
*comes back in*
*turns red*
Won't ask you what you are smoking.
Won't ask you what you had for lunch.
But I would like to know what turned you red.
Won't ask you what you are smoking.
Won't ask you what you had for lunch.
But I would like to know what turned you red.
You should see what the one secretary is wearing... :eek:
interstellardave
23-06-06, 17:51
You should see what the one secretary is wearing... :eek:
That's what those camera phones are for, buddy! :)
thepetemaster
23-06-06, 17:53
That's what those camera phones are for, buddy! :)
:vlol: :vlol: @ Dave
You should see what the one secretary is wearing... :eek:
I stick with imagining. But you have definately ruined my concentration for the rest of the afternoon.
interstellardave
23-06-06, 18:02
:vlol: :vlol: @ Dave
I turned 40 on June 6th... my official "Dirty Old Man" card arrived in the mail the same day! (I had been in training for many years, LOL!) :cln:
A newbie huh!! Training does cut it next to real experience
interstellardave
23-06-06, 18:10
A newbie huh!! Training does cut it next to real experience
I guess you've had your membership card for a while now, huh? ;)
I guess you've had your membership card for a while now, huh? ;)
It was originally issued on Papyrus
interstellardave
23-06-06, 18:23
It was originally issued on Papyrus
:vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
Welcome to the D.O.M.C. dave! :yah: I've been training my whole life to be a member! :mis:
Camera phone? What are those??? :confused:
*friend at work whispers in vman's ear*:hea:
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! I gotta get me one of those! :ohn:
We'll show you the secret handshake later... :pi:
(46 july 6th)
interstellardave
23-06-06, 18:28
Almost 46, vman?! It's funny, we act like teenagers on the board here and we're in our 40's! We're just boys at heart... Bad Boys!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! Don't give away our disguises... :pi:
err, WE ARE TEENAGERS! :tea:
Almost 46, vman?! It's funny, we act like teenagers on the board here and we're in our 40's! We're just boys at heart... Bad Boys!
Youngin's!!!
Almost 46, vman?! It's funny, we act like teenagers on the board here and we're in our 40's! We're just boys at heart... Bad Boys!
*raises an eyebrow at vman* Indeed... :mis:
*raises an eyebrow at vman* Indeed... :mis:
Beware vman. I detect some scheming of a female nature.
*raises an eyebrow at vman* Indeed... :mis:
Uh oh! :whi:
*makes a break for it* http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/outtahere.gif
*hides behind rock* http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/wall.gif
*get's cornered* http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/flowers1.gif
*bribe fails* http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/hitwithrock.gif
This thread has lost its original identity. :wve:
TRhistorian
23-06-06, 23:59
Clearly.
I think it's so funny how people go nuts over the game. Like many people have said before, not everybody is going to like everygame. I loved all the Tomb Raiders from 1-6......And LOVED LEgend. Legend was not a bad game at all, just needs some work here and there. Now this remake, just because they're remaking it doesnt mean they're trying to erase the first game. So let it be, if you dont like it go and play the original Tomb Raider that made you happy, I'm good with change so I'm sure I will love the remake and appreciate it for what it is. We're just moving into the future, the Tomb Raider games of the 90's are the classics these games are the Tomb Raiders of the 2000's, and I love both the old and new.
TRhistorian
24-06-06, 00:26
I think it's so funny how people go nuts over the game. Like many people have said before, not everybody is going to like everygame. I loved all the Tomb Raiders from 1-6......And LOVED LEgend. Legend was not a bad game at all, just needs some work here and there. Now this remake, just because they're remaking it doesnt mean they're trying to erase the first game. So let it be, if you dont like it go and play the original Tomb Raider that made you happy, I'm good with change so I'm sure I will love the remake and appreciate it for what it is. We're just moving into the future, the Tomb Raider games of the 90's are the classics these games are the Tomb Raiders of the 2000's, and I love both the old and new.
Who will all the new fans believe is the first game? The biggest reason for this re-make is so Crystal can find a way to cover up the fact that they are in control now and its their game. What better way than re-making the first game? Do you really think Eidos would order a Anniversary Edition for us? They don't want to reward us they just want to find the easiest way to find a new cash crop.
What TRhistorian says is serious
not to me :p
donttouchmyuzis
06-04-07, 18:29
To me what Cystal Dynamics did was unforgivable, taking the original storyline that is 11 years old and changing it around. They aren't making Anniversary for us. They're making it so they can pretend Core's version never existed. They want to make the first game fit legend. Then they'll say "here's the first game, here's legend, and these are the only two that matter because our versions are better." Which, by the way, their versions will never be better than core's.
Sara Croft
06-04-07, 19:00
What i seriously dont get is why eidos fire`d core.
Core made Tomb raider so popular that there were tons of commertials and i believe some of the games won 'game of the year' awards.
Then They 'screw up' on AoD and Eidos gave CD a shot to make another Tomb raider game, they succeed and eidos fire`s core.
I believe that at least one of the TR`s sold better then legend?
Dosent make much sense to me..
I REALLY wanan yell at CD or eidos now. Dont know why, i just got so angry all of the suddon lol:P
EDIT: Is this a old thread?
dream raider
06-04-07, 19:11
To me what Cystal Dynamics did was unforgivable, taking the original storyline that is 11 years old and changing it around. They aren't making Anniversary for us. They're making it so they can pretend Core's version never existed. They want to make the first game fit legend. Then they'll say "here's the first game, here's legend, and these are the only two that matter because our versions are better." Which, by the way, their versions will never be better than core's.
They are doing it because Eidos told them too :rolleyes: Why do you take things so personally? Support Lara not bash her. If you don't like it don't play it, it's not like Eidos will lose a bunch of money. I'm trying to persuade everyone that everything will be alright but if that's the way you want it then don't play Tomb Raider games. Wheres my manners, welcome to the forums even though I don't like your first post.:) ;)
dream raider
06-04-07, 19:13
What i seriously dont get is why eidos fire`d core.
Core made Tomb raider so popular that there were tons of commertials and i believe some of the games won 'game of the year' awards.
Then They 'screw up' on AoD and Eidos gave CD a shot to make another Tomb raider game, they succeed and eidos fire`s core.
I believe that at least one of the TR`s sold better then legend?
Dosent make much sense to me..
I REALLY wanan yell at CD or eidos now. Dont know why, i just got so angry all of the suddon lol:P
EDIT: Is this a old thread?
There are better Tomb Raider games but Legend was better than Aod, it selled many more copies than Aod which was the latest Core game. Why do you blame Crystal Dynamics? All they are doing is their job and they are doing it right.
Before this thread was bumped the last post was in 2006...so I think it is very old, and might get closed.
But just to add my two pennies here, people need to stop ranting about how bad AE will be before it's even released. Fair enough, once it's released and you've played it several times you can say how boring or crap it is, or whatever. Legend might suck in your opinion. That's fine. But TR7 was their first TR game and AE might be a huge improvement, so give them a chance.
dream raider
06-04-07, 19:17
OBVIOUSLY.
I didn't say 'everyone'. I said 'people'.
Well, I'm a person! :p
Sara Croft
06-04-07, 19:17
There are better Tomb Raider games but Legend was better than Aod, it selled many more copies than Aod which was the latest Core game. Why do you blame Crystal Dynamics? All they are doing is their job and they are doing it right.
I dont like CD`s work, but my point here was why Core only got one chance? Eidos should have known how far Core have taken Tomb raider in next gen`s, but core did never get a second chance.
And the reason i hate CD.. Its because i dont like the lara they have made.
I like their games, but i dont like it like the way i liked tomb raider, if u get what i mean? :P
dream raider
06-04-07, 19:19
I dont like CD`s work, but my point here was why Core only got one chance? Eidos should have known how far Core have taken Tomb raider in next gen`s, but core did never get a second chance.
And the reason i hate CD.. Its because i dont like the lara they have made.
Since I can't change your mind I'll leave you with a bitter heart.
EDIT: Is this a old thread?
Edit. It is... I can see Joseph's post on the previous page... :(
I wonder how the person who made this thread feels about TRA now.
^^ Is joseph no longer a member ?
dream raider
06-04-07, 19:44
I wonder how the person who made this thread feels about TRA now.
^^ Is joseph no longer a member ?
No... He left the forums a very long time ago... :(
Oh ok. Why ? His posts were always nice to read. I thought Netero (Sorry if I spelt it wrong) took his place ?
Eddie Haskell
06-04-07, 20:29
I wonder how the person who made this thread feels about TRA now.
That would be most interesting. :)
dream raider
06-04-07, 20:32
Oh ok. Why ? His posts were always nice to read. I thought Netero (Sorry if I spelt it wrong) took his place ?
Joseph isn't here in his own will. He wasn't banned.
Joseph isn't here in his own will. He wasn't banned.
Isit because he doesn't want anything spoiled for TRA or something else. If something else. What was it ?
Sara Croft
06-04-07, 20:41
Tired perhaps?
That would be most interesting. :)
Yeah I would also like to see how they feel now... Because for me, TRA is going on the right way. GO CRYSTAL YOU CAN DO IT ! :D
It's preferable not to resurrect old threads ;)
Closing...
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