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We dont know hardly anything about the remake yet people are saying its going to be crap. Its not like its just being skeptical. Its people just still bashing cd for legend and saying cd would ruin the remake. I'm a bit skeptical over cd making it too but I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet. I'll wait till I see some screenshots or trailers before I make a proper opinion. Or I might just wait till I get the game to form an opinion. I'm not saying its everyone thats like this but a few people are already saying they're not getting the remake just coz cd are making it. The remake could be good and I think these people should wait a while till we see something before they make their minds up over the remake. People shouldn't get over excited over the remake just yet but they also shouldn't just say its going to be crap just coz cd are making it.
kewlkyle64
17-06-06, 17:12
Once the trailer is seen, we'll know if we want to get it or its a bunch of :cen:.
Once the trailer is seen, we'll know if we want to get it or its a bunch of :cen:.
Exactly. Thats probably when I'll make my judgement but I find it annoying that some people on here are already saying its going to be crap just coz cd are doing it.
elliotcroft
17-06-06, 17:18
What Remake
The remake of tr1 that cd are doing.
I don't understand either. But my thoughts are positive.
elliotcroft
17-06-06, 17:20
The remake of tr1 that cd are doing.
THAT ONE
I don't understand either. The leaked video was very short. Personally, I can't tell if it will be WOW or rubbish. But my thoghts after seeing the video are positive. Honestly, I can't bad-comment it from what I saw.
But that video was cores not cds so we cant really make any kind of judgement based on that. CDs remake is different from the one core did so if people are making judgements based on the leaked video they need to stop that coz cds version is not the one in the video.
I know, that's why I edited.
elliotcroft, what are you talking about?
kewlkyle64
17-06-06, 17:22
Hey Elen respond to my message I sent you please :)
kewlkyle64
17-06-06, 17:23
Elliotcroft is just really wierd... He never spells right, never capitalizes stuff that needs to be capitalized...
elliotcroft
17-06-06, 17:24
No idea
kewlkyle64
17-06-06, 17:25
no Idiea
See, now he capitalizes the SECOND word, but not the first one, no period, mispelled i-d-e-a...
elliotcroft, you recently came back from a 14 days vacation because you spammed. If you have no idea of what you are talking about, keep it for yourself instead of spammng. Consider this as the final warning.
Back to topic.
I'm not bashing.. actually I'm extremely hopefull that cd will do a great job with the remke.. but It ****es me of to see so much anti tomb raider threads, bash this bbash that and threads talking about that tomb raider should be forgotten :( that after the remake it's doomed. Heck legend has sold more than 2 million copies in a really short time! That's a lot..
We dont know hardly anything about the remake yet people are saying its going to be crap. Its not like its just being skeptical. Its people just still bashing cd for legend and saying cd would ruin the remake. I'm a bit skeptical over cd making it too but I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet. I'll wait till I see some screenshots or trailers before I make a proper opinion. Or I might just wait till I get the game to form an opinion. I'm not saying its everyone thats like this but a few people are already saying they're not getting the remake just coz cd are making it. The remake could be good and I think these people should wait a while till we see something before they make their minds up over the remake. People shouldn't get over excited over the remake just yet but they also shouldn't just say its going to be crap just coz cd are making it.
i hope they don't
but as always (yes, i even thought this with Core) there is a chance of complete and utter destruction.
It's true I'm more worried with crystal than core, but it still could be very good and i'm looking foreward to it
Tomb Raider Jay
17-06-06, 17:39
The re-make was only confirmed yesterday and already there are bashers :(
What will it be like when the first screens or trailer come through
'Crystal have moved that tree form where it was in the original Tomb Raider'
I can just see it now, threads like that and many more too :p
But seriously - it really does surprise me that while we know nothing about the re-make at the moment - how can anyone complain or bash something they know nothing about? :confused:
People are 'bashing' it already for numerous reasons:
-We've seen what core can do [remake trailer]
-We've played TR:L [Created by Crystal Dynamics]
-Eidos have announced an anniversary game, being created by Crystal D but have released no footage. [So a lot of people are worried or scared it may contain some features from Legend they were unhappy with.]
Micki, I don't want to start an arguement here but remember Sales do not represent how happy people were with the game after it was released.
People are 'bashing' it already for numerous reasons:
-We've seen what core can do [remake trailer]
-We've played TR:L [Created by Crystal Dynamics]
-Eidos have announced an anniversary game, being created by Crystal D but have released no footage. [So a lot of people are worried or scared it may contain some features from Legend they were unhappy with.]
Micki, I don't want to start an arguement here but remember Sales do not represent how happy people were with the game after it was released.
Well excuse me I wasnt talking about happines.. well atleast the reviewers were happy after playing it and so were I and a lot of people.. It got better reviews than other tr games.. though tr1 got only few points better reviews... the tomb raider franchice has sold so many million copies and new fans are gained everyday.. so I think that doomed thingy is a bit.. well.. missing the word here..
anyway.. I understand how people feel.. but it's just plain stupid to keep a game repeating it self like every game did after tr1.. Cd took it to a new direction and got good reviews from it..
but neve mind me..
It's simple really. People have fears, reservations, doubts that CD can pull off the remake. They showed us with legend that they can make beautiful controls, but they also showed us they made the game linear. No exploring. They made puzzles and traps too easy, and they made the game very short. People are worried they'll do that to their beloved TR1. They are legitimate concerns. But we don't know anything, so all we REALLY can do is wait. I personally will try to back off attacking CD. But try to have a thicker skin about it all too. Don't take it so personal if someone doesn't like it. Doesn't mean you have to change your mind and not like it too.
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 17:58
Think you had it bad when TR was taken from Core and put it in the hand of CD???
That is nowhere near the feeling I had when Red Storm was brought by Ubisoft...I still hate it till this day...they ripped 2/3 of the gameplay just to fit the control on a Xbox/PS2 controller...
At least CD didn't ripped out climbing and shooting just to make the game playable on console instead of PC only...
Well excuse me I wasnt talking about happines.. well atleast the reviewers were happy after playing it and so were I and a lot of people.. It got better reviews than other tr games.. though tr1 got only few points better reviews... the tomb raider franchice has sold so many million copies and new fans are gained everyday.. so I think that doomed thingy is a bit.. well.. missing the word here..
anyway.. I understand how people feel.. but it's just plain stupid to keep a game repeating it self like every game did after tr1.. Cd took it to a new direction and got good reviews from it..
but neve mind me..
At the end of the day, everyone is going to have a different opinion. Whether it be a reviewer, a gamer, or a fan of TR. I, myself, never thought TR was repeating itself. I know the graphics and gameplay stayed the same, but the story was different, and always engaging and fun for me to play.
I was disapointed with Legend, maybe I was expecting too much, But when I here a tomb raider game is being made, I usually expect it to be long. This wasn't really what I got... I also wasn't too keen on all laras new inventions, I didn't even need to use half of them... I didn't like how the game had been made so easy in comparision to older games.
Of course, these are just my opinions. Reviews do not indicate much, its one persons' own points of view, and as everyone is different, everyone should be able to make their own decision.
At least CD didn't ripped out climbing and shooting just to make the game playable on console instead of PC only...
Well they did remove 2 or more levels, If you look at the first trailer, almost none, if not all of it isn't in the final game.. However, I don't know if making it playable on console as well was the reason for this.
Well why are people praising the remake already?
It's just two sides of the fence.
The reality is that we don't have the game yet - all we have is 'CD will make it' - people are simply speculating based on what evidence they have, i.e. Legend and the original game.
Some people are positive, some are negative, some are hopeful, some are unrealistic, etc. etc. etc.
Why are we constantly questioning everyone else's opinions just because they don't line up with our own?
Because we're evil, obviously.
:p
Naaa, seriously - it's just a case of 'once bitten, twice shy'. Legend was okay... but TR1 is just a classic! I'd be leary of anyone other than the original authors touching ANYTHING in the remake stakes, to be honest. Remakes in general by other people are hardly the shining example of cinematic / musical prestige, are they? Now the practise of remaking has (inevitably) passed on to gaming, it's hard to NOT worry, considering how bad remakes tend to be in other media... it's almost a cultural thing!
Why are we constantly questioning everyone else's opinions just because they don't line up with our own?
Good question. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them 'wrong'... yes, it's hard to see someone expressing something diametrically opposed to your opinion. You want to scream 'WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT?!' but since brain-washing is unfortunataly illegal (:p), it really is just a case of dealing with it... fight your corner - fine - but having a pop at people personally is just not on, really.
Tomb Raider Jay
17-06-06, 18:08
Well I am NOT worried at all, I have complete faith in Crystal Dynamics :ton:
And yes Tomb Raider is a classic game but Toby Gard is incharge of this project, he wouldn't let Crystal muck it up! :p
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 18:11
I don't understand either. But my thoughts are positive.
Exactly, until I see info, trailer, screens, hear interviews, play the game/demo. Then I'll have a real opionion until then I would be positive and don't take reviewers or those people in game magazines. Most of the time they are wrong. If any one though believe GameINformer I think they are the most sTraight forward no BS magazine out there. But until I myself get my hands on the game, I have nothing to say about CD screwing it up, because we don't know anything yet except a remake is coming! And I have yet to say anything negative about what CD games, they are just more of a quality they quanity company they care. Yeah, I may Have disliked some things in legend, but there are even somethings I don't like in TR 1! Just keep your mind open, and think HAPPY Thoughts!!!!:)
Mulder the Fox
17-06-06, 18:12
People are 'bashing' it already for numerous reasons:
-We've seen what core can do [remake trailer]
I don't think that anyone here (except of course the people working at "Core" or whatever it will be called in the future) can pretend to have seen what would have really been the Core projet.
Remember that we only saw a very short low resolution video, with footage from both Core's and Crystal's projects, and we can't even know which was which.
Bashing TRAE only because we were shown 0,1 % of what would have been the Core game, definitely isn't constructive.
-Eidos have announced an anniversary game, being created by Crystal D but have released no footage. [So a lot of people are worried or scared it may contain some features from Legend they were unhappy with.]
But what some have disliked, others may have liked ! So what's the point, really ?
And there's still no reason whatsoever to say that CD "shouldn't touch TR1" or other nonesense like that.
Micki, I don't want to start an arguement here but remember Sales do not represent how happy people were with the game after it was released.
AoD by Core being a perfect example :D
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 18:16
Well they did remove 2 or more levels, If you look at the first trailer, almost none, if not all of it isn't in the final game.. However, I don't know if making it playable on console as well was the reason for this.
If you play Tom Clancy game that was made by Red Storm, you will understand my feelings...
Locations are Locations, they are not the main focuse of the gameplay, they are just settings and arenas for player to flex their muscle...
I'm not saying CD will remove jumping or shooting, I'm just trying for people to understand my feeling with Ubisoft...just imagine if CD ripped out jumping or shooting for the sake of making it playable on console platforms, what is your response? Ubisoft did this to me with Tom Clancy games...
Remember that we only saw a very short low resolution video, with footage from both Core's and Crystal's projects, and we can't even know which was which.
This *may not* be true (sorry if I am wrong) But I am pretty sure someone from Core said that trailer was 100% Cores' work.
I understand what you mean. But in reality, people are always going to discuss, complain or compliment the game. Yes, we have no footage yet - so what else are we meant to talk about? I think some people are just worried or concerned (me, for instance!) about how the game could pan out if it was, for example, using the legend engine, with no changes made at all in terms of gameplay (e.g. headset spinning targets small jumps autograb)
Well I am NOT worried at all, I have complete faith in Crystal Dynamics :ton:
And yes Tomb Raider is a classic game but Toby Gard is incharge of this project, he wouldn't let Crystal muck it up! :p
Aww, what it is to be young, before the weary cynicism of age creeps in... :D
I think your optimism is kind of refreshing, Jay! I hope you never have reason lose it. ;)
Mulder the Fox
17-06-06, 18:22
This *may not* be true (sorry if I am wrong) But I am pretty sure someone from Core said that trailer was 100% Cores' work.
:confused: I clearly saw one of Core's staff saying that the video contained also footage from Crystal's game.
It was in the "look what I found" topic, I think.
I think some people are just worried or concerned (me, for instance!) about how the game could pan out if it was, for example, using the legend engine.
I understand that people who didn't like Legend should be worried, but statements like "Crystal have no right to touch TR1 if they release the game I kill them", that I can't really understand :confused:
No more than the "TR should remain at the hands of the original makers (Core), but Toby Gard should go away"...There's nothing more contradictory...
WhosaidAODwasbad
17-06-06, 18:26
:confused: I clearly saw one of Core's staff saying that the video contained also footage from Crystal's game.
It was in the "look what I found" topic, I think.
I understand that people who didn't like Legend should be worried, but statements like "Crystal have no right to touch TR1 if they release the game I kill them", that I can't really understand :confused:
i don't either, CD rightfully has the Tomb Raider FRanchise and they brought tomb raider back and have made it a hit again. I mean yeah it may not make any sense but I am surprised Eidos even let Core work on tomb raider after what they did with AOD. I wouldn't doubt the REmake would be great by them, but aleast we don't have to worry about bugs, that would have been my only concern with Core on the Job!
Lost_Raider
17-06-06, 18:27
Cystal have no right to touch TR1???
:vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
It is Eidos' property, they can do whatever they want, the constitution grants them that right...unless you want to start a revolution...
It has been shoved in the face of Cystal developers...they don't even have the right to not touch TR1...
:confused: I clearly saw one of Core's staff saying that the video contained also footage from Crystal's game.
It was in the "look what I found" topic, I think.
I understand that people who didn't like Legend should be worried, but statements like "Crystal have no right to touch TR1 if they release the game I kill them", that I can't really understand :confused:
No more than the "TR should remain at the hands of the original makers (Core), but Toby Gard should go away"...There's nothing more contradictory...
I do remember that being said, But I don't know if that was actually a Core Design person, as I'm pretty sure another 'core' person said it was 100% cores work.. not sure, can anyone confirm or deny this?
Well there are always gonna be negative people lurking. its who some people are. some choose to be optimistic and some dont. I would rather be in a bashing thread than a super dooper posative one. because inteh bashing people can either defend or bash. makes forums alot more fun with debate ^^
Because we're evil, obviously.
but since brain-washing is unfortunataly illegal (:p), it really is just a case of dealing with it... fight your corner - fine - but having a pop at people personally is just not on, really.
Brainwashing IS illegal? :eek: Thanks, thanks for ruining my day! :ton:
Well why are people praising the remake already?
It's just two sides of the fence.
Excellent remark - either way it's too early to say anything whether it be negative or positive. But people will speculate, which is usually fun.
Brainwashing IS illegal? :eek: Thanks, thanks for ruining my day! :ton:
*presses big red 'brainwash vman' button*
Yes. Brainwashing is illegal. Now buy me custard...
Why are people bashing the remake already?
Trditional preliminary confirmation perhaps? :D
Upgrading concepts can work really well even if it's a completely new team and/or they completely change things around. I quite like the new Battlestar Galactica and think the old one is rubbish... :D
But, I think the reason people are bashing Crystal already is that they, Crystal, have in effect already had a go at re-imagining the TR series. What is Legend if not a stab at remaking Tomb Raider...??
Quite a lot of people don't like that result and so they're bashing Crystal to make a point. Legend is considered to be a "success". If they don't speak up now, Crystal will think everyone wants TR1 to be made into a Legend-clone...which is not true at all.
*presses big red 'brainwash vman' button*
Yes. Brainwashing is illegal. Now buy me custard...
*buys custard*
YES, My mistress!
*walks around in blind stupor*
Tomb Raider Jay
17-06-06, 20:05
Aww, what it is to be young, before the weary cynicism of age creeps in... :D
I think your optimism is kind of refreshing, Jay! I hope you never have reason lose it. ;)
Well someone has to show some optimism around here :)
Did someone say Crystal have no right to touch TR1? :confused:
Tomb Raider is the property of Eidos by the way - not Crystal, so what Eidos says goes I'm afriad :(
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