What we want in the remake - the definitive thread

[Natla'd]

I know that there are about a million of these floating around at the moment, but please, hear me out.

I wanted to collect together *everybody's* thoughts and feelings on the games - especially what they want and what they don't want - to see exactly *what* kind of remake would be perfect for this forum overall. Just list what you want to see and what you don't want to see - everything and anything you can think of, from the obvious to the downright pedantic or weird. :D Obviously, we have a lot of threads for that already, but they're all a bit scattered, each dealing with different aspects, mostly.

When the thread is exhausted, I'll post the results in a new one - who knows, perhaps for the attention of Crystal Dynamics. They might read it, you never know. ;)

Here is my list, to get the ball rolling:


Lara's old backstory
The Tomb Raider III house, perhaps with more rooms and grounds added
Updated graphics
The old control system with new moves added, UNLESS CD can make the new control system work without completely ruining the levels
Either Shelley Blond or Judith Gibbins to voice Lara
No headset
New levels to tie pieces of the story together, e.g. Lara's travelling from tomb to tomb done in gameplay rather than FMV. Ditto the boat scene.
The old TR1-3 ring inventory
TR1-2 medipacks
TR2-3 flares
The same animal and human attackers, perhaps with a few new species or some non-violent animals in the background
The old music scores
I must admit, I wouldn't mind being able to wear different outfits, like in Legend...however, I think the outfits should be earned by collecting secrets / completeing levels, NOT with shiny things.
I'd like them to re-record the dialogue, preferbly with the old voice actors, just for newness-sake, really.
Lara's braid, or her hair in a bun, or both (depending on the outfit)
No connections with the movies or Legend (except for the TR easter eggs in Legend, naturally!)


If I can think of any more, I'll add them.

[NightWish]

I know that there are about a million of these floating around at the moment, but please, hear me out.

I wanted to collect together *everybody's* thoughts and feelings on the games - especially what they want and what they don't want - to see exactly *what* kind of remake would be perfect for this forum overall. Just list what you want to see and what you don't want to see - everything and anything you can think of, from the obvious to the downright pedantic or weird. :D Obviously, we have a lot of threads for that already, but they're all a bit scattered, each dealing with different aspects, mostly.

When the thread is exhausted, I'll post the results in a new one - who knows, perhaps for the attention of Crystal Dynamics. They might read it, you never know. ;)

Here is my list, to get the ball rolling:


Lara's old backstory
The Tomb Raider III house, perhaps with more rooms and grounds added
Updated graphics
The old control system with new moves added, UNLESS CD can make the new control system work without completely ruining the levels
Either Shelley Blond or Judith Gibbins to voice Lara
No headset
New levels to tie pieces of the story together, e.g. Lara's travelling from tomb to tomb done in gameplay rather than FMV. Ditto the boat scene.
The old TR1-3 ring inventory
TR1-2 medipacks
TR2-3 flares
The same animal and human attackers, perhaps with a few new species or some non-violent animals in the background
The old music scores
I must admit, I wouldn't mind being able to wear different outfits, like in Legend...however, I think the outfits should be earned by collecting secrets / completeing levels, NOT with shiny things.
I'd like them to re-record the dialogue, preferbly with the old voice actors, just for newness-sake, really.
Lara's braid, or her hair in a bun, or both (depending on the outfit)
No connections with the movies or Legend (except for the TR easter eggs in Legend, naturally!)


If I can think of any more, I'll add them.
Isn't there a sticky thread that does that?

[jones3d]

+Corpses remain/blood/spinning targets on/off option.

[Titanium]

Isn't there a sticky thread that does that?

No, thats for TR8, Natla is talking about the remake :)

[haagen-dazs]

That all sounds great, pretty much what I would expect now anyway. One problem I could see is them getting shelley blonde back to do the voice. In the AOD companion they say they can't even name her for legal reasons. Made me wonder if perhaps something had happened between her and Eidos. But Judith gibbins would be a great choice.

The old music scores would be amazing, really they are part of what made the games what they were. Thats partly why Legend didn't cut it for me.

And the mansion, good god I forgot all about it! I'd personally like to see TR2's mansion back.

[Natla'd]

No, thats for TR8, Natla is talking about the remake :)

Yep...although it would be nice to get this thread stickied. :D

[Lara Lover]

I made a thread this morning about this! :confused:

[Natla'd]

I made a thread this morning about this! :confused:

Yes, I know (or, I think I know...didn't I post in it?), but, like I said, I just wanted a place where I can collect everybody's thoughts together, with that motivation made clear at the start. Kinda like the stick about TR8, I suppose. No offence to your thread...I guess I'm just a control freak. ;)

Also, apart from yours, the threads have all bee considering different aspects of the game.

[Elysia]

:D

Okies! Here's mine..

• No headset.
• Same basic location, but with some variety in how to solve puzzles / alternative paths to challenge those of us who know TR1 back to front
• No headset.
• I know it’s a little cheeky, but an extra level after Lara fights Natla… escaping the island, maybe?
• No headset.
• Keep Atlantis as creepy and disgusting as the original…
• No headset.
• No black outs when Lara falls to her doom. We want screamy, squishy deaths!
• No headset.
• Gold Levels as unlockables for collecting secrets.
• No headset.
• Old swimming controls (and allow Lara to hold her breath for longer)
• No headset.
• Keep the exploration factor cranked up to 100 – the more exploration, the better!
• No headset.
• Please – no interactive cutscenes. Allow me to be in charge 100% of the time…
• No headset.
• Keep cutscenes to a minimum, as per the original, Cutscenes really felt like a reward for a level / location well ‘Raided…
• No headset.
• Old style inventory / medipack system / weaponry. Allow us to search for proper secrets rather than shiny rewards.
• No headset.
• Try to maintain the ‘gloomy’ atmosphere of the first – make us peer into those corners! Also, keep the whole ‘dizzying heights’ and ‘plumbing the depths’ feeling that the original had in spades.
• No headset.
• Scare us!!
• No headset.
• Make us love TR1 even more…
• No headset.
• … but respect the original, okay? So that means…
• NO HEADSET!!! As much as I do love Zip and Alister (and I do…), I don’t want to hear them chattering on at me. They will completely ruin the atmosphere and sense of isolation if I have to hear ‘WOOO HOOOO!!!!’ and ‘Err, Lara…’ in the background all the time…

:D Don’t want much, do I???

[Reggie]

I know that there are about a million of these floating around at the moment, but please, hear me out.

I wanted to collect together *everybody's* thoughts and feelings on the games - especially what they want and what they don't want - to see exactly *what* kind of remake would be perfect for this forum overall. Just list what you want to see and what you don't want to see - everything and anything you can think of, from the obvious to the downright pedantic or weird. :D Obviously, we have a lot of threads for that already, but they're all a bit scattered, each dealing with different aspects, mostly.

When the thread is exhausted, I'll post the results in a new one - who knows, perhaps for the attention of Crystal Dynamics. They might read it, you never know. ;)

Here is my list, to get the ball rolling:


Lara's old backstory
The Tomb Raider III house, perhaps with more rooms and grounds added
Updated graphics
The old control system with new moves added, UNLESS CD can make the new control system work without completely ruining the levels
Either Shelley Blond or Judith Gibbins to voice Lara
No headset
New levels to tie pieces of the story together, e.g. Lara's travelling from tomb to tomb done in gameplay rather than FMV. Ditto the boat scene.
The old TR1-3 ring inventory
TR1-2 medipacks
TR2-3 flares
The same animal and human attackers, perhaps with a few new species or some non-violent animals in the background
The old music scores
I must admit, I wouldn't mind being able to wear different outfits, like in Legend...however, I think the outfits should be earned by collecting secrets / completeing levels, NOT with shiny things.
I'd like them to re-record the dialogue, preferbly with the old voice actors, just for newness-sake, really.
Lara's braid, or her hair in a bun, or both (depending on the outfit)
No connections with the movies or Legend (except for the TR easter eggs in Legend, naturally!)


If I can think of any more, I'll add them.

That's exactly how I'd want it too, I wouldn't mind the AI being updated though, so that a pack of wolves (lost city of vilacamba...) work together etc. which is what they do in the wild.

[Natla'd]

Why, Elysia, I'm surprised that you didn't pass comment on the headset. ;)

:D
• Keep the exploration factor cranked up to 100 – the more exploration, the better!


For some reason, I thought "exploration" read "explosion"...I was imagining playing Tomb Raider 1 with randomly-placed explosions every few seconds...:D

[Tomb Raider Jay]

Good idea Natla'd :tmb:

Here's what I would like in the re-make

*Classic Lara Croft
*Lara's classic ponytail and outfit
*Legends control system, so long as they make it work with TR's design
*TR 3's mansion with the race course, indoor gym and swimming pool
*Classic ring menu system
*Bottomless backpack returns
*Classic Flair's and medi-packs return
*All of Tomb Raider's original levels, re-done in the best PS2 graphics
*The original puzzle designs
*A few new paths to explore here and there but not changeing the level design too much
*In-game cut-scenes replace the old FMV's of TR1.
*Original enemies from TR like crocodiles, dinosaurs, wolves, bares, bats, mummys and those freaky 'streaky bacon' men too
*Extra rewards hidden through-out the game simmilar to Legend

*Yes please crank up the scare factor too : )

Thats about it really :p

Edit: Ooops I forgot no headset, no grapple, no binoculars and no Alister and Zip : )

[taika]

This is a huge request and I understand if it's not included but a TR2 remake along with the game would be great

[Natla'd]

This is a huge request and I understand if it's not included but a TR2 remake along with the game would be great

A big, fat ditto to that!

[Thorir]

Adventure and exploring, rather than action gameplay. :)

[taika]

Dark, Scary atmosphere, good sound effects and music score... (e.g. haunting noises in caves, etc)

[thepetemaster]

In with :

- All the old moves set and control system - especially swimming controls
This includes backflips, sideflips, forward roll etc

- The grab button!!!
- able to holster/unholster weapons
- The old in-game menu system
- Backpack with items inside ie keys and medpacks etc
- I wouldn't even mind the shimmy set from legend - would be cool
- lots and lots of animals/ atlanteans - with a variety in design of course
- the classic weapon set
- fmv between areas as in original
- unfinished business as unlockable
- rag doll deaths ala AOD
- outdoor mansion sections
- I could even handle a button for medpack use mid battle (as in trl)
- random item placement option for replayability/ challenge - ie re-arrange mode
- save crystal system from tr 3 - pick em up and use anywhere (limited save anywhere)
- original Lara voice
- exploration/isolation
- classic outfit with bob/braid
- time taken stats and distance travelled secrets found etc - ( would rather have a distance travelled challenge than a time trial any day)
- flares
- bodies remain behind/ explode as original
- original weapon set - with ammo pick-ups
- large/small med packs
- upon secret discovery -original soundbite "A-ha"

Out with :

- all the bloody mercs
- the aiming reticule
- the bullet time
- no zip or allister on a headset
- no motorbike sections
- secret tokens - when i am hurting for med packs - make me search em out - not just find some silly silver reward for an outfit
- the grapple hook
- the binoculars/hint system
- interactive cutscenes

Oh well, if you are collecting em - heres mine

[Elysia]

Why, Elysia, I'm surprised that you didn't pass comment on the headset. ;)
Did I not? Well that is a little lackadaisical of me... :p


For some reason, I thought "exploration" read "explosion"...I was imagining playing Tomb Raider 1 with randomly-placed explosions every few seconds...:D
:vlol: Well it would certainly be a surprise!

[taika]

- no motorbike sections

I agree with all of your things thepetemaster, except the above one. I think that a motorcycle bit of the game (not necissarily a full section) where lara jumps onto the boat could be good, if it wasnt a interactive cutscene though..
however, sounds nice in theory, not sure how it'd turn out in practise though

[thevman]

:vlol:@ elysia for forgetting to mention no to the headset!

You guys have it pretty much covered. One addition I would like to see. All secrets and game complete unlocks the unfinished business levels! I never got to play these because they were PC only. PLEASE add these in AFTER beating the original part of the game... :jmp:

Oops! Elysia covered that! :p I heard there was supposed to be an escape level after beating natla, but could anyone find the old core ideas of this or would CD have to make it up???

Oh, BTW, no headset! ;)

[Pablo.CT]

-TR3 Mansion


and everything else that people have said, but the Mansion has to have gardens :D:D:D:D:D:D

[da tomb raider!]

I really, really don't want "them" to make a re-make of Tomb Raider 1,2,3 or any of the last TR games! What's their problem, can't they be bothered to make their own game up? Well, they can make a re-make if they want, be I ain't gonna buy it! (By the way, It it 100 sure that Crystal Dynamics are going to make the remake of TR1, or not? ) :cln:

[taika]

I really, really don't want "them" to make a re-make of Tomb Raider 1,2,3 or any of the last TR games! What's their problem, can't they be bothered to make their own game up? Well, they can make a re-make if they want, be I ain't gonna buy it! (By the way, It it 100 sure that Crystal Dynamics are going to make the remake of TR1, or not? ) :cln:
Yes, Eidos released a statement. It is to celebrate the '10th Anniversary' of TR.

[Tomb Raider Jay]

I really, really don't want "them" to make a re-make of Tomb Raider 1,2,3 or any of the last TR games! What's their problem, can't they be bothered to make their own game up? Well, they can make a re-make if they want, be I ain't gonna buy it! (By the way, It it 100 sure that Crystal Dynamics are going to make the remake of TR1, or not? ) :cln:

Crystal are developing the re-make of Tomb Raider to celebrate it's 10th Anniversary, so it's like a one-off special, you know.

But Tomb Raider 8 will still be going ahead and continuing the Legend story, or at least I think so anyway ;)

[Rivendell]

I'd actually really like it if they used the classic Lara model from the flashback in legend - I thought she looked really good.
-The braid / bun
-The classic outfit from start to finish.
-I'd love the old style of fighting to come back, I want to run in a straight line past an enemy whilst shooting him and not be Locked into a side skipping circular path.
-Wouldn't really mind flares
-The old ring menu
-The old weapons and weapon system
- Key and Switches - gotta keep these, they're integral to the levels
- Level Design - the old Non-linear feel of levels with plenty of exploration
- I want to see Lara as she falls to her doom, no blackouts please!!
- I'd like either Shelly B. or Miss Elliot to be Lara's voice again
- Lara's old moves: Big jump, hop back, walking, rolling, Jump-rolling, side stepping, crawling, Graceful swan dives.
- Acrobatics- Either make them necessary or get rid of them and improve other things in their place.
- Tricky puzzles, and Dangerous traps- if like in legend you impliment spinning blades that need to be crossed, Don't give us the option of pushing a block through them instead, challenge us, Dare us, give us a way of using some skill.
- No Autograb please.
- The original variety of enemies- if mercs appear in Tr1 I'll hit someone. ;)
- The original music score, done up a little bit - but Please, Please PLEASE don't - Techno-ize it!
- Lara's Old mansion from TR1 / 2
- NO INTERACTIVE CUTSCENES. Please, don't incorporate these.
- As Elysia wildly reinforced - No Headset (or Zip or Alister.)
- I know this is unlikely to happen, but controlling Lara with the D-pad instead of the analog stick? I'd love that :hug:
- Old Save Crystals
- No Timetrials
- A Single set difficulty - 'challenging' .
- Ambient b/g noises instead of a constant blurr of unnoticable music (I felt it provides a lot of atmosphere Tomb Raidery style whereas constant music doesn't)
- No new levels, keep them all, add new bits within the levels though like new secret rooms - that'd be cool.
- Classic Swimming Controlls!
- Classic controlls full stop? That'd be very nice, Square for jump, circle for roll, Tri for draw and X for action? :hug:
- A Look button
- For the camera to follow Lara like it used to, and not for us to have to constantly be changing the angle.
- Slow motion a no no, it's Tomb Raider, not Max Payne ;)
- None, or Limited Grapple
- No HINTS ! Nothing shiny, sparkly - let us work things out for ourselves please. The button reminders are incredibly partonising, scrap those: this ties in with:
- Last minute grab - get rid of, it needs the autograb to work, and I didn't think much of that either because it lessens the interactivity with Lara.
- And Natla'd - you said anything picky etc, so here's my pickiest thing Yet: The camera, have it a bit closer to Lara, as it stands in legend she's quite small on the screen! To me this also decreased the feel of TR slightly.

Thanks :)

[Stig911]

I'd actually really like it if they used the classic Lara model from the flashback in legend - I thought she looked really good.
-The braid / bun
-The classic outfit from start to finish.
-I'd love the old style of fighting to come back, I want to run in a straight line past an enemy whilst shooting him and not be Locked into a side skipping circular path.
-Wouldn't really mind flares
-The old ring menu
-The old weapons and weapon system
- Key and Switches - gotta keep these, they're integral to the levels
- Level Design - the old Non-linear feel of levels with plenty of exploration
- I want to see Lara as she falls to her doom, no blackouts please!!
- I'd like either Shelly B. or Miss Elliot to be Lara's voice again
- Lara's old moves: Big jump, hop back, walking, rolling, Jump-rolling, side stepping, crawling, Graceful swan dives.
- Acrobatics- Either make them necessary or get rid of them and improve other things in their place.
- Tricky puzzles, and Dangerous traps- if like in legend you impliment spinning blades that need to be crossed, Don't give us the option of pushing a block through them instead, challenge us, Dare us, give us a way of using some skill.
- No Autograb please.
- The original variety of enemies- if mercs appear in Tr1 I'll hit someone. ;)
- The original music score, done up a little bit - but Please, Please PLEASE don't - Techno-ize it!
- Lara's Old mansion from TR1 / 2
- NO INTERACTIVE CUTSCENES. Please, don't incorporate these.
- As Elysia wildly reinforced - No Headset (or Zip or Alister.)
- I know this is unlikely to happen, but controlling Lara with the D-pad instead of the analog stick? I'd love that :hug:
- Old Save Crystals
- No Timetrials
- A Single set difficulty - 'challenging' .
- Ambient b/g noises instead of a constant blurr of unnoticable music (I felt it provides a lot of atmosphere Tomb Raidery style whereas constant music doesn't)
- No new levels, keep them all, add new bits within the levels though like new secret rooms - that'd be cool.
- Classic Swimming Controlls!
- Classic controlls full stop? That'd be very nice, Square for jump, circle for roll, Tri for draw and X for action? :hug:
- A Look button
- For the camera to follow Lara like it used to, and not for us to have to constantly be changing the angle.
- Slow motion a no no, it's Tomb Raider, not Max Payne ;)
- None, or Limited Grapple
- No HINTS ! Nothing shiny, sparkly - let us work things out for ourselves please. The button reminders are incredibly partonising, scrap those: this ties in with:
- Last minute grab - get rid of, it needs the autograb to work, and I didn't think much of that either because it lessens the interactivity with Lara.
- And Natla'd - you said anything picky etc, so here's my pickiest thing Yet: The camera, have it a bit closer to Lara, as it stands in legend she's quite small on the screen! To me this also decreased the feel of TR slightly.

Thanks :)


Same here(expecialy the flashback Lara (I never thought about that!)

But I want keeley haws as the voice!)