View Full Version : Old Bio or New Bio?
(If there has already been a thread about this, feel free to shout at me. I couldn't find it in the last two pages, and I'm a very lazy girl. :D)
Which do you prefer - Lara's old bio or her new one?
Old Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Original_Biography_.28pre-Legend.29)
New Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Biography_.28Tomb_Raider_Legend.2C_Movi es.29)
I Dont know I really like them both, but If I had to choose one it would be old Bio, it really shows Lara's rebel streak
Are these actually official biographies?
The story goes that when she arrived in Katmandu she went to the nearest bar and made a polite telephone call to her father asking if it would be convenient for him to come and pick her up. Wtf? :rolleyes:
Compared to:
Two weeks later, when she walked into a mountain village, her experiences had had a profound effect on her. Unable to stand the suffocating atmosphere of upper-class British society any longer, she realised she was only truly alive when she was travelling alone. Much cooler. :cool:
Sums up the differences to me. One version of her biography is so in your face trying to be British, I find it quite off-putting. In the other one she's just who she is and part of that happens to be British, no big deal.
The "father's full time apprentice" bit I find pathetically banal. "Countess" is definitely not necessary. Two of her houses are maintained by the National Trust?!! :rolleyes:
It's like someone looked at her original bio and thought how can we make it bigger, better, MORE. Everything seems exaggerated to me. Like someone saw a car and turned it into a cadillac. Is this really the Crystal bio as they wrote it??
I prefered her when she was a sassy, kick-ass, independent, adventureous woman.
'fraid so, Blackmoor. Well; it appeared in the official walkthrough-cum-companion book that they brought out, anyway.
I totally agree, though. It's so exaggerated! I liked the way Lara seemed to live pretty much on her own merits in the old Bio. Now, half of it was because of her parents.
Lara Lover
25-06-06, 11:38
I prefer the old one :p
Definatley old. The new one sounds contrived and over-the-top.
Just give me my old rebellious girl back. At least for the remake.
EDIT: I just realised the new one acknowledges old feats such as dinosaurs and Area 51...I thought they were going away from that?
that vilage back story sounds alot cooler than the ''daddy give me money.. ''
Lone Raider
25-06-06, 12:03
I'm sure you all know my opinion... ;)
l am not overly fussed, the bio never made much of a difference in the actual game till Legend, most British aristocracy has some grand title, you just never use them. And how is she not independant in the new bio, she had to fend for herself at the age of 15 in the new one, so l would think she would still be independant, just never had a chance to go to that fancy finishing school that was mentioned in the original bio. Probably she did not have the money since the estate was still being contested. Frankly having to stand your ground at a younger age and fend of the ravenous relatives, shows more backbone than running away to raid tombs. In the new bio she fought for her rights, and than went and raided tombs. So it seems she is now a more rounded personality who gets a great deal of enjoyment out of what she does.
The old bio all the way, I hate the fact that they even made a new one :rolleyes:
Catlantean
25-06-06, 12:07
Old bio, definitely. The new one is so not Lara.
The new one has too much influence from the movies, and is turning Lara into Daddy's little girl. I preferred the old one where Lara was actually an independant person, and we never knew or saw her parents. On the other hand, the new biography has made Lara into a more human character. We are seeing different sides of her that we never saw before.
Overall I'm pretty mixed. I'd rather that instead of having both bios being completely different, CD finds some way to merge them both so we have the best of both worlds.
I don't really care about the bio. What's important to me is that they bring the old Lara back, smart, sexy and strong.
New one. It's far more realistic than the old[Except the part where a nine year old girl manged to trek 10 days across the Himalayas to Katmandu, maybe-but hey it is Lara Croft we're talking about!]
rachkitten
25-06-06, 14:52
The new one ;)
Laras Lil Bro
25-06-06, 15:01
i like both. the new one is better in a sence that she wasnt dissowned wich i always found pathetic seen as any dad would be proud if ther daughter became a world renouned adventurer. it better that they just died instead.
Well, as mentioned before, Lara's bio had almost NO relevance to the first 6 games, so why does it matter? I kind of like the new one because if you notice it shows that Crystal D acknowledges previous TR games (Dinosaurs in the Congo, Area 51) yet gives Lara's backstory a different twist. Also, having both a character's parents die is a common method of making that character more endearing. Think of orphans like Aladdin, Oliver Twist, Annie, etc.
OF COURSE OLD:hea: :D LEGEND's bio is just way too out of hand nor a new one wouldn't even be necessary...I HOPE they're smart enough to keep it (I mean of course they are...right?)
Think of orphans like Aladdin, Oliver Twist, Annie, etc.
Surely that's a stronger argument for the old bio? :p
Little Orphan Lara...oh dear goodness...x.x
Melonie Tomb Raider
25-06-06, 20:47
Old. For sure.
Old. For sure.
:tmb:
Old. No competition.
tha_mattster
25-06-06, 21:54
Orphan Lara: 'Please Sir can I have some more TRL?'
CD: 'MORE?! MOOORREEE?'
TRhistorian
25-06-06, 22:34
Keep th new bio with their games, they better not dare incoorprate Legend or any other nonsense into the bio. Keep it the same as what Core first created.
She is a game character and only a game character so... either one is fine for me...
The story goes that when she arrived in Katmandu she went to the nearest bar and made a polite telephone call to her father asking if it would be convenient for him to come and pick her up.
Sorry but I don't know about anyone else but I find the whole idea behind this naff. I know they want to make Lara into something special but there is NO subtley here at all.
It is enough Crystal that a nine-year-old has survived 10 days in the Himalayas. And endured her mother's death.
Don't push it beyond unnecessary limits by making Lara make a "polite" call to her father asking if it would be "convenient for him to come and pick her up". It's just plain daft nevermind unbelievable. We know she's cool in a crisis but that is just dumb.
Oh, and I don't like the way that her father's body hasn't turned up in Cambodia. Another weepy re-union on the way no doubt....zzzZZZ....er, I mean, fleshing out of Lara's character, lol. ;)
Both have their good and bad sides. Each bio went over the top here and there, yet has positive sides, too. Hence either one is just as fine with me. I'd like it, if it had been something in the middle all along...
Well, i like them both, but if i had to choose, i would go for old.
New one!!
Her age is too old.She needs to change her age
Orphan Lara: 'Please Sir can I have some more TRL?'
CD: 'MORE?! MOOORREEE?'
HAHA!!!
I don't really care, I just wish they'd stick to one. Right now we have 4 different versions (classic, Legend, movies, comic books).
The new one weighs a tad bit more bulky for me. :wve:
HI JIN UZUKI!!:wve:
Haven't seen u for a long time
Why, hello there. What a pleasant surprise. :D :wve:
On topic though, Ivan - with respect to one of your recent posts in this thread, I think it'd be better if Lara is not identified with any age at all. ;)
Yep in one of her previous adventures she found the fountain of youth, so she will never age :D
Yep in one of her previous adventures she found the fountain of youth, so she will never age
Perhaps so! :D Reminds me of Parasite Eve. ;)
I prefer the old bio.
Having Lara earning her fortune makes her more-independent and self-reliant.
The other version makes her seem weak. Nobody would end up like Lara is now if everything they got in life was handed to them on a silver platter.
I'm not even certain why that decision was made. But I think it was to lock the game in-step with the movies, which (I'm assuming) are more commonly known to the general public (not counting the serious Tomb Raider fans) then the game.
I hate those movies. Mainly because of the departure from the standard story. And because it was an ego-fest between Jolie and the director. They knew nothing about the game. The priceless quote I trot out every now and then is this dialogue from a director's interview I read:
Director: "What, there was a Tomb Raider level in Cambodia? We didn't know that!"
Great research department, there. He didn't even play the games. So much for that article that said somebody was recording every Tomb Raider game onto video so the team could watch it. I'm thinking they never watched those videos. Probably did it just to get some serious Tomb Raider fan off their back (get them out of the way so they could make whatever movie they wanted). If you have a copy of Sensational She-Hulk 12, read it and you'll see what I'm thinking.
New one!!
Her age is too old.She needs to change her age
Yep in one of her previous adventures she found the fountain of youth, so she will never age :D
In my concept of Tomb Raider (which is somewhere in the realm of fan-fiction, but might be supported by the game), Lara is eternally ageless. She'll spend all of eternity at the age of 33 years. This is my case:
The vermuelin (the green glowing stuff from Tomb Raider III/III Gold) caused a mutation in Lara which stopped her aging process. And I think Lara knows this fact. In Tomb Raider IV, Seth offers her eternal youth. She turns him down, saying she already has it.
The next part isn't in the game, but I thought it would be a good idea. Lara can pass this effect onto living creatures through a process similar to osmosis. But in order for it to work, the receipent has to be near an amount of vermuelin. If they stayed in Lara's house (for example, Winston, Sally (the blonde in my avatar) and the animals in the house), that would be enough to receive the mutation. Lara has five artefacts in her home made of refined vermuelin. Plus, I thought it would make Lara an even better friend for Sara (who is also functionally ageless, due to the Witchblade).
Well said, buckmana - some interesting theories. Although, why has Winston started getting younger, rather than just staying the same age...? :p
Oh, and I don't like the way that her father's body hasn't turned up in Cambodia. Another weepy re-union on the way no doubt....zzzZZZ....er, I mean, fleshing out of Lara's character, lol.
Sssh...don't encourage them, Blackmoor! ;)
CardinalXimenez
26-06-06, 14:51
Old one for me, the new bio takes away everything that made me fall in love with the character in the first place. The old Lara was a rebel who tore herself away from her upperclass background and now has to support herself, being completely independent, whereas the new one is simply following in her fathers footsteps, and has the family fortune backing her up.
As for the Legend bio acknowledging the old games, if I recall correctly the Legend bio says that Laraīs denied events such as Area 51 and encountering dinosaurs in South America having ever happened, and are just ridiculous rumours made up by the press. It could mean she just doesnīt want the public to know about them, but it could also mean CDīs disposing of the old games that way.
shaahinkaaveh
26-06-06, 16:54
How funny, it seems that the only "awesome" change was not the gameplay! How can someone prefer the new one?
that vilage back story sounds alot cooler than the ''daddy give me money.. ''
Anyway, is this village the same one we saw in TR-Chronicles?
Yep in one of her previous adventures she found the fountain of youth, so she will never age :D
In one of the comics Lara actually finds an artifact called the eye of shaharettin that appearantly endows the owner with everlasting youth. So I guess it really isn't botox after all.
i'd go for the old bio. it's such a pity the tr movies spoiled the universe of the games. and i hate the fact that eidos or crystal were influenced by the movies. they changed lara, they changed the music, the outfits in such a manner that the game resembles more with the film and it's really annoying for me. i don't hate the movies but eidos shouldn't have been influenced by them. :mad:
Talk about the lack of adaption:(
xMiSsCrOfTx
26-06-06, 18:10
I like both of the bios, but I'll have to say old. It just can't keep changing around, before we know it, we won't even know who Lara truly is.
I mean at least give a little respect to Lara's history. Without it, there wouldn't even be plans to make LEGEND with a new bio. Give credit with what's done and AT LEAST leave the old bio for this 10th Anniversary Edition - AT LEAST:hea:
Without a doubt the old bio.
TRhistorian
26-06-06, 19:07
I mean at least give a little respect to Lara's history. Without it, there wouldn't even be plans to make LEGEND with a new bio. Give credit with what's done and AT LEAST leave the old bio for this 10th Anniversary Edition - AT LEAST:hea:
Its doubtful but is possible that they could show a little bit of heart. :(
Give credit with what's done and AT LEAST leave the old bio for this 10th Anniversary Edition - AT LEAST:hea:
But Lara's bio had absolutely NO relevance in the first Tomb Raider, so what does it matter? The first bio was meant for the fans to gain a little trivial knowledge about Lara's past. But we know about Lara herself by playing the games. In my opinion having a different backstory doesn't change the character we play one bit. She was intelligent, athletic, agressive, and sassy in the old games, and she's all those things in Legend. I just don't understand what all the comotion is about!:hea:
I hope Crystal Dynamics is (I dunno which word to use but) SMART enough to leave it as it is - with all that's done on Lara's past ten years other then LEGEND.
fondantcookie
27-06-06, 06:36
Crystal should use the OLD bio....
....choosing to ignore TRs2-6 is a BAD decision in my opinion !!!! Its pretty much slapping us old term fans in the face....and deleting everything that made the TR series what it was in the first place...
.....it doesn't take a genious to see that a lot of people are unhappy with the direction CD are taking the TR series....
GodOfLight
27-06-06, 06:42
i perfer the old bio. crystal's decision to change her old bio is one of the main things that ruined this as a proper tomb raider experience for me.
sadly though, now they cant really do anything. the new story is sadly already launched.
.....it doesn't take a genious to see that a lot of people are unhappy with the direction CD are taking the TR series....
Dont speak so strongly for so many others......
I dont like some of the new changes to the bio.......Lara was supposed to have been the LONE SURVIVOR of the plane crash...
....they put her mother on the plane.....and her mother survived too...and blah blah......too much, and it really takes away from that original bio where she was like 17-19 and managed to walk down the side of a mountain by herself after surviving a plane crash.....Its something that would be practically impossible in real life, and it sort of added a unique dimension to Laras charachter......
In the end, the only reason CD changed the bio was just for story purposes.....and they altered the bio to fit thier "mom" story.....
While this may offend some Old school TR fans such as myself, It doesnt really offend me at all and Ill tell you why......
No matter how much they slice and dice her current bio.....I KNOW the "REAL/ORIGINAL Bio"....and that is how I will always think of Lara......
Plane crash in late teens, sole survivor, disowned by family......I dont need to go into detail......because TRUE fans know the story by heart.....and no bio change can EVER take that away from me....
And btw if were hatin on CD for the "mom" story, lets keep it real and hate on Core as well for Injecting Von Croy into her Bio to milk the old
"One-time-good-mentor-turned-evil" angle for TR4........IMO its very similar, he was never part of the original bio......and i never considered him as such
i perfer the old bio. crystal's decision to change her old bio is one of the main things that ruined this as a proper tomb raider experience for me.
sadly though, now they cant really do anything. the new story is sadly already launched.
There's always the old "dallas: it was all a dream" excuse... ;)
GodOfLight
27-06-06, 08:37
And btw if were hatin on CD for the "mom" story, lets keep it real and hate on Core as well for Injecting Von Croy into her Bio to milk the old
"One-time-good-mentor-turned-evil" angle for TR4........IMO its very similar, he was never part of the original bio......and i never considered him as such
well, von croy still fits into the bio in a sense: at 16 with going on the expedition with von croy she gets her first taste of adventure. then at age 21 she has her plane crash and after surviving that she fully decides she needs to become a tomb raider. ;) :p so core didnt really alter the bio at anypoint :D
There's always the old "dallas: it was all a dream" excuse... ;)
:vlol:
"oh winston i had this horrible dream! it involved a grapple and so many pushable crates! it was sickening! and these two idiots kept talking in my ear! i couldnt do anything to stop them!
oh please bring me some of your rattling tea and baked beans on toast!"
i perfer the old bio. crystal's decision to change her old bio is one of the main things that ruined this as a proper tomb raider experience for me.
sadly though, now they cant really do anything. the new story is sadly already launched.
at least we dont feel so alone now ^^
Moon-Safari
28-06-06, 07:35
The old bio definately!!!!!!!!! the fact that lara had a fiance but we never see her with a man EVER, added a level of mystery to her character. could you imagine lara with a guy? i think it would be awkward and quite frankly unessessary. it was so awesome how lara changed into a psycho loner who fended for herself, from a spoiled dutchess about to mary by her parents request, almost overnight. she was so cool.
and now what do we have with the new bio???? the same generic rpg story: "child looses parent, child grows up on hunt for answers." its been done before. and now lara is cheezy. so basically cd ripped lara from every thread of her past that made her an origional video game icon.
Prince of world
28-06-06, 08:43
I prefer the old bio!
Laras Backpack
28-06-06, 11:21
I hate those movies. Mainly because of the departure from the standard story. And because it was an ego-fest between Jolie and the director. They knew nothing about the game. The priceless quote I trot out every now and then is this dialogue from a director's interview I read:
Director: "What, there was a Tomb Raider level in Cambodia? We didn't know that!"
Did Simon West really say that? I now have a new level of disgust for that man. What a moron. OMG!! :mad: :hea:
The bio isn't a very big deal for me but I do really prefer the old one. I like the idea of disowned rebel Lara. :D
interstellardave
28-06-06, 11:49
I never read either bio and neither bio had any effect on my gameplay experiences at all.
Crystal should use the OLD bio....
....choosing to ignore TRs2-6 is a BAD decision in my opinion !!!! Its pretty much slapping us old term fans in the face....and deleting everything that made the TR series what it was in the first place...
.....it doesn't take a genious to see that a lot of people are unhappy with the direction CD are taking the TR series....
they should indeed use the old bio, it's not a case of deleting everything that made TR great.....it's more of slapping Core in the face and deleting them from history...then slapping us old time fans in the face, just my opinion
the trouble is this, Crystal probably do have a really good storyline planned but i feel their games will be more intune with the movies hence the change of bio for a start
Core Lara born 14/feb/68
Movie Lara born 14/feb/78
Crystal Lara born 14/feb/78
that tell's me...to hell with Core, but there's no way back now that's for sure....if anything Crystal should have looked at AOD and completed that apparent proposed trilogy.....then made Legend??
It does seem CD wanted to start fresh and make TR theirs. So they totally ignored what past she had with core. They used the movie lara and went from there. Shame, it would have been nice if they finished off the AoD storyline, but that would have paid homage to core instead of CD playing hero to the TR series. Wanting the glory all to themselves they burried lara's past and any of the old stories and adventures. Something the older fan does find a slap in the face. We liked who lara was, she didn't need changing. The adventures and controls were what needed revamping. IMO. But anyone that got thru AoD would have liked the story to get finished.
thepetemaster
28-06-06, 12:55
Not only was AoD left unfinished, but the triology may have been able to answer all those hanging questions that arose from TRLR - like how did Lara escape etc. Now, with Legend, we have a whole new story/backstory and are just left with even more unanswered questions. It would be nice to see some of these questions answered for once, and have some kind of closure.
Not only was AoD left unfinished, but the triology may have been able to answer all those hanging questions that arose from TRLR - like how did Lara escape etc. Now, with Legend, we have a whole new story/backstory and are just left with even more unanswered questions. It would be nice to see some of these questions answered for once, and have some kind of closure.
EXACTLY!
i totally agree with both of you......here's hoping and false hope at that.
yes CD want to put their own mark on it,fair enough i accept that...but they should have finished what Core started and then done their own series of adventures.
that's what annoys me, plot holes wider that the Watford Gap and to be frank they need closing....so yeah i totally agree with you two:D
"oh winston i had this horrible dream! it involved a grapple and so many pushable crates! it was sickening! and these two idiots kept talking in my ear! i couldnt do anything to stop them!
oh please bring me some of your rattling tea and baked beans on toast!"
PRICELESS!!!! :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol: :vlol:
fondantcookie
28-06-06, 16:52
i'd go for the old bio. it's such a pity the tr movies spoiled the universe of the games. and i hate the fact that eidos or crystal were influenced by the movies. they changed lara, they changed the music, the outfits in such a manner that the game resembles more with the film and it's really annoying for me. i don't hate the movies but eidos shouldn't have been influenced by them. :mad:
WORD!!!!
I prefer the old bio, but the new one isn't too bad. It doesn't influence me playing the games, so it isn't a bother.
Laras Lil Bro
28-06-06, 21:37
i think for the sake of the seriese and to stop critics sayin they cant make up there mind they shud leave it now and every one shud get used to it. theres no way they can change it bk now coz legend made such a focus on the new bio and it sold well so lots of ppl must have liked it. her father wud neva abandon her and now they cant make it so he did or he wud have ad to leave her b4 she was 15! im not avin ago i no ppl have different views but i think, all be it a little to american, the new bio shud stay as it wud be a faff changing it back. its still lara guys. wud u prefer no tomb raider at all?!?!?!
i think for the sake of the seriese and to stop critics sayin they cant make up there mind they shud leave it now and every one shud get used to it. theres no way they can change it bk now coz legend made such a focus on the new bio and it sold well so lots of ppl must have liked it. her father wud neva abandon her and now they cant make it so he did or he wud have ad to leave her b4 she was 15! im not avin ago i no ppl have different views but i think, all be it a little to american, the new bio shud stay as it wud be a faff changing it back. its still lara guys. wud u prefer no tomb raider at all?!?!?!
DOH! Deja vu!!! Didn't I just read this in another thread??? :confused:
GodOfLight
28-06-06, 23:09
isn't the legend story "lara looking for her mother" the same story britney spears acted out in her oh-so-successful movie "Crossroads" - "where's my mommy?"
Laras Lil Bro
28-06-06, 23:53
DOH! Deja vu!!! Didn't I just read this in another thread??? :confused:
wots ur point?!?!?!?! two similar threads. just makin sure my post is seen. and if u read it u'll see i wasnt tryin to offend ppl and said i understand ppl have different views. its just a little late to change the bio back now. get it?
thepetemaster
28-06-06, 23:59
wots ur point?!?!?!?! two similar threads. just makin sure my post is seen. and if u read it u'll see i wasnt tryin to offend ppl and said i understand ppl have different views. its just a little late to change the bio back now. get it?
Just letting you know it was seen.:tmb:
*breaks open can of double deja view*
wot ur point?!?!?!?! two similar threads. just makin sure my post is seen. and if u read it u'll see i wasnt tryin to offend ppl and said i understand ppl have different views. its just a little late to change the bio back now. get it?
fondantcookie
29-06-06, 00:13
isn't the legend story "lara looking for her mother" the same story britney spears acted out in her oh-so-successful movie "Crossroads" - "where's my mommy?"
Hhaha!!!! Thought id seen it somewhere...
Mind you, id even go so far as saying that crossroads pulled it off better...and that is saying something!!!! :P
I wouldn't mind if they continue the LEGEND sequel story line with all the bio, yaddiyada but FOR THE SAKE of the 10th Anniversary Edition, just simply leave it as it is:mad: I know it's only a change of bio but really, it'd change our whole perspective of Lara if we play the remake...or BEST OF...I mean, sheesh give a little respect as to when Lara was born with what she has:( LIKE THE OLD BIO
The old bio was just background info, you could play the earlier games and not have a clue about her background or who her parents were etc. It was only really from last revelation onwards where we got any of her bio in the game itself
Laras Lil Bro
29-06-06, 10:30
just so ppl no i wasnt sayin they shud change the bio in the remake. of course not its a remake therefore very little shud be changed. im talkin about future tomb raiders that are obviously gonna follow on from legend. so it wud be silly and almost impossible to now impliment the old bio as legend made such a feature of her family life. its more realistic in a sence tho. if u were laras dad wud u really abandon her? shes amazing!
its spelled "should"
Old bio please.
I never read either bio and neither bio had any effect on my gameplay experiences at all.
Oh my God, thank you! :hug:
Not with the people who's grown up with Lara Croft from all those years:(
I got Tomb Raider in 1996. I had a crush on Lara from then until I was 12. I had every single one of her games until I realised they were just gathering dust. I have grown up with Lara. Both bios are cheesy, and we're stuck with one that's just as cheesy as the other.
Well said, buckmana - some interesting theories. Although, why has Winston started getting younger, rather than just staying the same age...? :p)
I tend to only acknowledge the TRII-TRV versions of Winston. The TRVII version is a complete rebuild. Again, it's probably another one of those things to "lock" in with the movie.
In one of the comics Lara actually finds an artifact called the eye of shaharettin that appearantly endows the owner with everlasting youth.
I don't think the Eye has that power. The only powers it seemed to have were knowledge of future events and returned time-displaced people (such as Lara) to their own time.
The guy (whatever his name was) who was using the Eye was already eternally young (he looks fifty-sixty, so must have got his youth late in life) before he obtained the Eye. This is shown by the fact he can "pop" bullets out of him and heal the injury by concentrating. He also comments that these modern guns are hardly the flintlocks of old. I'd guess by that comment, he knows what being shot by a flintlock felt like. Placing the date of his power receiving somewhere between 1700s to 1800s or so.
Definatley old. The new one sounds contrived and over-the-top.
Just give me my old rebellious girl back. At least for the remake.
EDIT: I just realised the new one acknowledges old feats such as dinosaurs and Area 51...I thought they were going away from that?
totally agree :tmb:
highonlollypops
08-07-06, 16:15
i preferred the old one - the new one makes her look weak, a whiny orphan trying to get in touch with who she is - i thought she was supposed to be stable?
Moon-Safari
08-07-06, 16:28
the old bio was absolutely perfect and relevant to laras character. what woman would continue doing and loving the very thing that orphaned her? it doesnt make sense. Cd changed lara completely. she isnt the lara that we know from 1-6. the real lara was independant because after being disowned by her parents and disillusioned by her old lifestyle she realized that being a loner rebel was the way to live. which is why she didnt need help on her missions, and why when she didnt marry her fiance she felt relieved and was destined to live a life alone for herself only ever connecting with civilizations, relics and gods of the past.
there is so much cd could have explored in her old bio. i hope they just forget legends story line and go back to laras roots. i am very unhappy with the new direction of her personality. shes no longer this dynamic character. she just ... boring.
Well you know, I was thinking in the next game they might just have the whole mummy thing in the beginning and as the game progresses Lara loses track of that and finds something much more interesting.
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 07:27
Old. But I doubt they will put it back because they had it in TR 1,2,3,4,5,6, then new bio in Legend and then why should be new bio in new game.
GodOfLight
02-11-06, 07:38
Well CD it's quite obvious what the main vote is: OLD BIO! so get your act together!!! Lara's planecrash happened at age 21... deal with it!!!
:jmp:
Is the bio really important? Does it really matter where Lara came from?
What matters is that the game is enjoyable with a good storyline.
Old "In it for the thrill of the find" Lara, which leaves endelss possibilites for TR games, rather than "I'm an archaeologist looking for my mother" Lara, which leaves the one possibility of her finding her mother.
You know what I think will happen?
TR8 comes and goes, she's still not found her mother.
All the future games will be different ways she tries and finds her :(
The old one,of course!She was presented as a rebel, somehow cynical, a tad cruel,but who always decided the correct thing.
I don't even consider the new one as an accurate bio for Lara!
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 09:33
I agree.
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 09:53
Of course!:)
In-game: Definitely old bio, old personality. Classic Lara could wipe the floor with Legend Lara without breaking a sweat.
As a background (not mentioned in the game itself): I don't care. If it's not in the game, it's not official IMO. Doesn't make a difference whether the author works for Eidos/Core/Crystal or not.
Catlantean
02-11-06, 11:00
Old bio definitely, because I prefer the idea of Lara as an aristocrat who had turned her back on her upbringing and became an adventurer to that of her being daddy's little girl following in his footsteps and looking for her lost mommy. "I only play for sport." is a LOT better than "That's where you're wrong, Zip - this (lost mommy) is what it's always been about.". The classic Lara was much stronger, independent, and overall a more interesting character.
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 11:02
Hope they will show her like that again!
Old!
New TR sucks, classics way better.
Nuff' said.
it has never being said that the legend comes after AOD, or after any of the classics,...maybe this "new reborn" its the best way to conect her to he classics,.. or at least the way they found,.. the story of her child-planecrash is not really so tasty as it could have been at the age of 21,... but,... isnt aswell that terrible,.. and the whyni lara first need to loose something and get a bit pressed to become the classic lara,.. didnt she already change into that in the final cutscene?... c'mon lets give cristal a chance to explain what are they doing,... who know if its already planed like this for her to become what we all like,...
I was about to post in this thread saying how much I love the old bio and how they should definately change it back.
Then I noticed that I started this thread...talk about ressurection! ;)
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 12:20
Old!
Ada the Mental
02-11-06, 13:38
I was about to post in this thread saying how much I love the old bio and how they should definately change it back.
Then I noticed that I started this thread...talk about ressurection! ;)
:vlol:
The old one,of course.It's far better and it makes far more sense than the new.
There are some parts in the new one I like though.The bits were it says that Lara has problems with authorities and that and other archaeologists questining her methods.I also like that she is an archaeologist.
Or they could invent a new,stupid storyline that includes both:
Let's say that Legend happens before TR1.Lara survives a plane crash at the age of 9,and loses her mother...blah,blah....Legend happens,(Lara is about 21 years old,and is a boring,spoiled,frivolous rich girl,that has everything served on a plate to her)...blah.blah,blah...
TR8-9 lara finds her mummy(:mad: ) and brings her back(:mad:).
Then Amelia Croft gets married to distand cousin Hensington Croft,Lara goes skiing,she survives another planecrash,she changes her mind and attitude,gets's disowned by her mother and step-father and becomes the good old Lara we knew.
Meanwhile Winston,while driving to get some milk from a nearby shop,has an accident and ends up being the old,fragile winston from the classics.Plus he develops an annoying habit of stalking Lara,but nevermind,there is always a freezer nearby.
As for Alister and Zip....Well Zip get's arrested and sent back to America and Alister finishes his dissertation and buries himself inside Oxford/or a museum/or a library etc...
Or Zip gets too much on Alister's nerves and Alister murders him and goes to jail.Whatever.
I never read either bio and neither bio had any effect on my gameplay experiences at all.
Me either. It is like reading the back of cereal boxes. I suppose if you don't have anything better to do.
i guess u are right,.. it just affects me when it comes to fmvs
Or Zip gets too much on Alister's nerves and Alister murders him and goes to jail.Whatever.
Ooh, that one! And then they can make a spin off game with Alister breaking out of jail. :D
Ada the Mental
02-11-06, 14:23
Ooh, that one! And then they can make a spin off game with Alister breaking out of jail. :D
And make a guest appearance in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Legend.
Zelda master
02-11-06, 14:26
well the old one is better
And make a guest appearance in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Legend.
As long as Harry Potter isn't in it. :D
Old-school biography please :).
Ada the Mental
02-11-06, 14:51
As long as Harry Potter isn't in it. :D
Yes,I guess we could scrap Harry!:D
I like both but i was use to the Old one. And she seems more fiesty in the old one.
Legend 4ever
02-11-06, 17:30
old!
Hmm for TR:A old bio, and for future TR games, as long as they are based on Legend then the New bio.
I do not really think that the bios are incompatible. The new biography can, in large parts (if you ignore the age at which Lara had her plane crash) be seen as an extension of the old one. Given that all the impact the biography had in TR1 was the page in the manual where it was explained, I would not really care either way.
Shark_Blade
02-11-06, 18:17
scrap the new, preserve the old. Isn't that is why we dug up the past? To understand it?
CardinalXimenez
03-11-06, 07:31
Canīt remember if Iīve already replied to this, but if not: Old bio, the new bio (and Legend Laras personality) lacks just about everything that made me fall in love with Lara back in the day.
Barry Matharoo
03-11-06, 08:37
old it is
I think I like the new one better. Dead parents = cool drama :D
Terminatorvs
03-11-06, 20:05
I don't care about the bio as I used to before. It's really confusing to have one bio at first, then skipping to the new one instead. Besides, Lara is a fictive character. Personally, I accept both bios at the same time - when something needs explaining I use both bios and make two different conclusions.
Since Lara is a fictous character, I really don't care one way or the other. But if I had to choose I'd say I like the original.
Lara seemed much more independent! :)
(If there has already been a thread about this, feel free to shout at me. I couldn't find it in the last two pages, and I'm a very lazy girl. :D)
Which do you prefer - Lara's old bio or her new one?
Old Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Original_Biography_.28pre-Legend.29)
New Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Biography_.28Tomb_Raider_Legend.2C_Movi es.29)
I prefer her old bio. I was quite a bit disappointed with the fact that they based the newest game's backstory on her movie bio, since the game spawned the movies and not the other way around. Grr.
UltimatelyFan
04-11-06, 09:23
I think they should use both. Combine them.
(If there has already been a thread about this, feel free to shout at me. I couldn't find it in the last two pages, and I'm a very lazy girl. :D)
Which do you prefer - Lara's old bio or her new one?
Old Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Original_Biography_.28pre-Legend.29)
New Bio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Croft#Biography_.28Tomb_Raider_Legend.2C_Movi es.29)
It never should have been changed, but like i said before: nothing is sacred when big money is involved. :mad:
I think they should use both. Combine them.
Welcome to TRf! :wve:
How might they combine two biographies: One that says her mother is presumed dead - one where she's simply disowned her daughter, one that says Lara's an Archaeologist to find her mother - one where she's after artifacts for the thrill of the challenge ?
I can't see how one can be if the other is also real. To me they just don't blend.
Welcome to TRf! :wve:
How might they combine two biographies: One that says her mother is presumed dead - one where she's simply disowned her daughter, one that says Lara's an Archaeologist to find her mother - one where she's after artifacts for the thrill of the challenge ?
The new one says she's after artifacts just to find her mother? :yik:
God, CD really did ruin Lara. :rolleyes:
"This is always been what it's about.." - (finding Mother dearest.)
"This is always been what it's about.." - (finding Mother dearest.)
:vlol:
What happened to the old Lara Croft we used to know and love?
A pyramid fell on top of her. Some say the fragments of what was left of her spirit made it to Prague, and faded as it crept into shadow...
:(
I think she's just gone into hibernation though!
A pyramid fell on top of her. Some say the fragments of what was left of her spirit made it to Prague, and faded as it crept into shadow...
:(
I think she's just gone into hibernation though!
Nah I'd say, the way the TR series is going, she died. :(
In the pyramid.
You know, when people thought she'd died, I was the only one who believed she was still alive, but I was right.
But now I think about it, I was wrong. :(
With that in mind, it gives the opening FMV of TR5 a much sadder and more dramatic feel. Her memorial service, and that statue of her..
With that in mind, it gives the opening FMV of TR5 a much sadder and more dramatic feel. Her memorial service, and that statue of her..
It does.
That statue of classic Lara.
It's quite amazing really, it's like Core were planning for the TR series to go cold.
Ada the Mental
04-11-06, 14:32
Welcome to TRf! :wve:
How might they combine two biographies: One that says her mother is presumed dead - one where she's simply disowned her daughter, one that says Lara's an Archaeologist to find her mother - one where she's after artifacts for the thrill of the challenge ?
I can't see how one can be if the other is also real. To me they just don't blend.
What?Haven't you read my "masterpiece" of a combined story?See page 11.
So if according to EIDO$ AoD never happened and Legend is another reality/dimension(/bad immitation) etc then Lara is................dead?:yik: :( :yik:
:vlol:
The old one,of course.It's far better and it makes far more sense than the new.
There are some parts in the new one I like though.The bits were it says that Lara has problems with authorities and that and other archaeologists questining her methods.I also like that she is an archaeologist.
Or they could invent a new,stupid storyline that includes both:
Let's say that Legend happens before TR1.Lara survives a plane crash at the age of 9,and loses her mother...blah,blah....Legend happens,(Lara is about 21 years old,and is a boring,spoiled,frivolous rich girl,that has everything served on a plate to her)...blah.blah,blah...
TR8-9 lara finds her mummy(:mad: ) and brings her back(:mad:).
Then Amelia Croft gets married to distand cousin Hensington Croft,Lara goes skiing,she survives another planecrash,she changes her mind and attitude,gets's disowned by her mother and step-father and becomes the good old Lara we knew.
Meanwhile Winston,while driving to get some milk from a nearby shop,has an accident and ends up being the old,fragile winston from the classics.Plus he develops an annoying habit of stalking Lara,but nevermind,there is always a freezer nearby.
As for Alister and Zip....Well Zip get's arrested and sent back to America and Alister finishes his dissertation and buries himself inside Oxford/or a museum/or a library etc...
Or Zip gets too much on Alister's nerves and Alister murders him and goes to jail.Whatever.
It could work! :tmb:
That's a very good way of combining the two!
Ada the Mental
04-11-06, 14:55
It could work! :tmb:
That's a very good way of combining the two!
You aren't making fun of me,are you?:pi::D
Hehe... maybe :mis:
Nah I'm not really. Something like that could work because CD can get all their 'Missing Mother' storyline over and done with, then the old biography could fit nicely on top of that if Lara had another plane crash. Like a fresh start, except a 10 year old fresh start ;)
Ada the Mental
04-11-06, 15:12
And then they could carry on the AoD storyline...:jmp:(:(Dream on...I'll never give up on this...)
And then they could carry on the AoD storyline...:jmp:(:(Dream on...I'll never give up on this...)
No!
Carry on from TR III or something, Mad Tony returns! :D
I want to play:
How she managed to survive beneath the collapsed Temple of Horus, how she escaped, and Cappadocian Nephilim realm :tmb:
Hopefully one day we'll have such cool TR adventures!
Ada the Mental
04-11-06, 15:38
^I'd love to play these levels,too...I doubt I'll ever get to play them:( ...
No!
Carry on from TR III or something, Mad Tony returns! :D
I take it you didn't really like TLR,either?
I take it you didn't really like TLR,either?
It's not that I didn't like it, but I preferred the first 3.
StarCroft:AOD
04-11-06, 15:44
I personally don't care about her Biography, I prefer looking at the storyline, and the real Lara Croft in it.
Ada the Mental
04-11-06, 15:57
I personally don't care about her Biography, I prefer looking at the storyline, and the real Lara Croft in it.
For me Bio and background story is as important as the plot.Otherwise plots are too shallow for my liking.
gerihalliwell
04-11-06, 16:11
I like the New Bio actually, but the Old Bio isn't bad.
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