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I was reading other threads and it struct me that future TRs may be on a more limited number of systems.
The keyboard/mouse combination will never replicate the motion sensing capabilities of the PS3 and WII. Does that mean the PC versions will become obselete? Or will PC users have to add console like controllers to their PCs?
We can be fairly certain that future Trs will be on Xbox 360 and PS3 but how about others? The WII?
Lara's Boy
11-07-06, 21:24
I think the PS3 and X360 for sure, and I am positive they will find a way for PC users....that is too large a demographic to skip over.
thepetemaster
11-07-06, 21:26
I was reading other threads and it struct me that future TRs may be on a more limited number of systems.
The keyboard/mouse combination will never replicate the motion sensing capabilities of the PS3 and WII. Does that mean the PC versions will become obselete? Or will PC users have to add console like controllers to their PCs?
We can be fairly certain that future Trs will be on Xbox 360 and PS3 but how about others? The WII?
If any system needs to be dropped - it would be the PC incarnation, the gap between the new controllers on Next-gen systems and a keyboard/mouse interface is becoming far greater. Future PC versions may require a controller to play it. How else do you replicate, motion-sensors, vibration feed-back, analogue and laser pointing control, with just a humble mouse-and-keys combo? Perhaps that has or will stifle the series some what?
*Feels Deja-vu*
;)
Winston_the_butler
11-07-06, 21:27
no more PSP's I got the PSP version and it is one of the most frustrating experiances I've had on a handheld. although PS3 and Xbox 360 should be used. no exclusives.
I was reading other threads and it struct me that future TRs may be on a more limited number of systems.
The keyboard/mouse combination will never replicate the motion sensing capabilities of the PS3 and WII. Does that mean the PC versions will become obselete? Or will PC users have to add console like controllers to their PCs?
We can be fairly certain that future Trs will be on Xbox 360 and PS3 but how about others? The WII?
LOL you can get console controllers for pc and the fact is that pc play will remain more intuitive and - yikes - upgradeable. :D
Legend of Lara
11-07-06, 21:43
I think PS3 would be the most obvious selection. 360 would of course follow. The Wii might get it's TR fix with a few alterations from the PS3 and 360 versions. And of course there should be a PC version. Multiplatform. :D Problem solved!
I don't want the PC people to be penalised or miss out, but PC games are much cheaper than the console ones so I don't think it's too unfair to expect them to buy a controller. As long as they can use it with all games.
I hope that the developers of TR will embrace any genuine benefits that new controller technology brings. Especially if it increases immersion in the game.
I think PS3 would be the most obvious selection. 360 would of course follow. The Wii might get it's TR fix with a few alterations from the PS3 and 360 versions. And of course there should be a PC version. Multiplatform. :D Problem solved!
Yeah, I think that should happen.
thepetemaster
11-07-06, 21:56
LOL you can get console controllers for pc and the fact is that pc play will remain more intuitive and - yikes - upgradeable. :D
When Legend was released, some people complained that they shouldn't have to fork out for a new controller, just to play Legend. (Others told them to just get the controller.) The justification for not purchasing, being that none of their other games needed one. This is why the game has to have a keyboard/mouse option, but it may not be optional in future games. As you say - you can just buy a controller. Some fans are passionate about the keyboard set up. What you prefer isn't the problem, it's whether you will have a choice in how you will play it, in the future. :pi:
I think PS3 would be the most obvious selection. 360 would of course follow. The Wii might get it's TR fix with a few alterations from the PS3 and 360 versions. And of course there should be a PC version. Multiplatform. :D Problem solved!
why would the PS3 be the most obvious selection? they haven't made anything for the PS3 nor have made any announcements for legend to appear on it. how can that be the most obvious?
why would the PS3 be the most obvious selection? they haven't made anything for the PS3 nor have made any announcements for legend to appear on it. how can that be the most obvious?
Because Tomb Raider has always been associated with Playstation from the start, so it will be on there most probably.
When Legend was released, some people complained that they shouldn't have to fork out for a new controller, just to play Legend. (Others told them to just get the controller.) The justification for not purchasing, being that none of their other games needed one. This is why the game has to have a keyboard/mouse option, but it may not be optional in future games. As you say - you can just buy a controller. Some fans are passionate about the keyboard set up. What you prefer isn't the problem, it's whether you will have a choice in how you will play it, in the future. :pi:
OMG. If TRL2 (PC) comes out without keyboard/mouse option I would be amazed. What an own goal. Pushing people to consoles is not the answer (although I would be interested in knowing the sales of console versions vs PC figures...) Microsoft is now promoting gaming on PC's and with vista coming out I think TRL2 will be PC friendly ***hopes***
Hybrid Soldier
11-07-06, 22:19
It should be on everything!
PC, 360, PS3, and Wii.
Because Tomb Raider has always been associated with Playstation from the start, so it will be on there most probably.
so why isn't Tomb Raider Legend on the PS3? If TR8 is Purely Next Gen then it will most likely be on the PS3. but if they still developed it for older consoles, they will most definitely make it for PS2 and not on PS3.
so why isn't Tomb Raider Legend on the PS3? If TR8 is Purely Next Gen then it will most likely be on the PS3. but if they still developed it for older consoles, they will most definitely make it for PS2 and not on PS3.
What? Tomb Raider Legend came out a few months ago, The PS3 is a nice time away, what kind of question was that?
UNDERTAKER
12-07-06, 00:53
Xbox 360, PS3 and PC for sure. Wii is not certain.
jost hope any tr game comes out for xbox 360.i just bought it.rather than maybe tomb raider level editors.
Ward Dragon
12-07-06, 01:19
OMG. If TRL2 (PC) comes out without keyboard/mouse option I would be amazed. What an own goal. Pushing people to consoles is not the answer (although I would be interested in knowing the sales of console versions vs PC figures...) Microsoft is now promoting gaming on PC's and with vista coming out I think TRL2 will be PC friendly ***hopes***
I hope it'll be PC friendly, too. I know this is not official, but looking at the prices I've seen for Legend online, the PS2 and Xbox versions are getting cheaper and the PC and Xbox 360 versions aren't really, so maybe the PC version is selling well :) Anyhow, I've played a lot of games that were obviously intended for consoles but the company did a very good job porting the game and adapting the controls to a keyboard and mouse combo. Most recently that I've played are Prince of Persia 3 and Fable: the Lost Chapters. If someone sits down with TR8 and says, "Okay, if I'm controlling it with a keyboard and mouse, what would be most convenient? What sort of problems will I run into and how can I compensate for them?" then it'll work out fine. (I don't think they did that with TR7 because they forgot about the walk function, which implies to me that they were in a hurry and didn't bother to think about how the game would play on PC)
As for the other consoles, I don't see why they wouldn't make a Playstation version and an Xbox version (though I'm not sure which generations they'll use). I thought I heard they were making a Gamecube version of Legend, so maybe they'll make a Wii version of TR8 too.
I think the PS3 and X360 for sure, and I am positive they will find a way for PC users....that is too large a demographic to skip over.
Same here but I think they might release them on MAC OSX and the others you said.
What? Tomb Raider Legend came out a few months ago, The PS3 is a nice time away, what kind of question was that?
The PS3 is out in here in Austrailia but it's $999.95
The PS3 is slated for a Novenber release. The earliest I suspect TR8 to be out would be Christmas 2007 and that is optimistic. I believe that one of the contributing factors to TRL being short was that they had to develop it for 7+ platforms. That is a hugh problem. If they want to focus on a longer game they need to cut that down. I am thinking XBox 360/720, PS3, and PC
Kamrusepas
12-07-06, 02:51
I really don't care as long as they don't stop making PC-versions [like with FF....] :p
WhosaidAODwasbad
12-07-06, 04:35
I personally just think PS3 and PC although its not up to me! NO portable systems either!
I personally just think PS3 and PC although its not up to me! NO portable systems either!
why should they leave out the Xbox 360? TRL opened up a whole new fanbase on the 360. i highly doubt Eido$ would leave it out. it would reduce the cashflow.
shockwave_pulsar00
12-07-06, 06:24
The PS3 is out in here in Austrailia but it's $999.95
That isn't possible. For it to be out in Austrailia before Japan would be an act of God.
Anyways, They should keep it on PS3 , X360, and PC. To put the game on anymore consoles would mean less development time on the actual game play.
The PS3 is out in here in Austrailia but it's $999.95
now that is funny...........the PS3 isn't even out yet..... AT ALL in any country :ton:
What's all this talk about taking TR away from PC's? :confused: If I'm not mistaken every TR game has been available on PC, and PC got the exclusives of the expansion levels. I don't see PC losing future TR games. Nor do I see them dropping the keyboard/mouse commands. Sure you can add a controller to a PC, but that's a preference of the player, many players still use the keyboard/mouse. Me, I'll be sticking with sony, I'm sure as soon as PS3 comes along everyone will be gearing their games for it. It does still have the largest group of developers suppling games for them. More than x-box or nintendo.
I have heard a couple of worrying things about the PS3. The first is its price - $500-$600 is the US. The second is that a couple of developers have announce that they are discontinuing developing for the PS3. They requested that Sony ponying funds to support their development and Sony said no so they said no Sony. The word is that it is easier to develop fo he Xbox 360 than the PS3.
PC, PS3 and XBox 360. Most people have at least one of the three (or will have in the case of the PS3), so more versions are more or less redundant. I hope Eidos give CD enough time to adapt and optimize the game for each of those consoles this time - no more simple ports. If that means I'll have to wait an extra 6 months for the PC version like with GTA, well, so be it. It will be worth it if we get a better game.
I have heard a couple of worrying things about the PS3. The first is its price - $500-$600 is the US. The second is that a couple of developers have announce that they are discontinuing developing for the PS3. They requested that Sony ponying funds to support their development and Sony said no so they said no Sony. The word is that it is easier to develop fo he Xbox 360 than the PS3.
Aye, Sony is using the MS tactics of releasing their console. The crappy version of PS3 is $500, while the "premium" (the one you want/need) is $600 (this is all US currency btw). Also, it is easier to develop games for other systems than it is for the PS3, as has been the case for the PS2 as well.
I see that more as a crock for developers to try and gouge money soaked sony for funds. I don't see why it would be any harder to develope for sony. They give devlopers the software before the console hits the market, they just need some tutorials of the abilities of the new programming. It really isn't all that different than controlling with the x-box products. http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/dunno.gif
Ward Dragon
12-07-06, 18:01
I see that more as a crock for developers to try and gouge money soaked sony for funds. I don't see why it would be any harder to develope for sony. They give devlopers the software before the console hits the market, they just need some tutorials of the abilities of the new programming. It really isn't all that different than controlling with the x-box products. http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/dunno.gif
I don't know about that. Microsoft makes Windows and the Xbox, so I'd imagine that they'd have a lot common with each other and it'd be easier to program an Xbox game on a PC. The Xbox 360 controller, for example, can work on an Xbox 360 or a PC with Windows without having to use an adapter, so I suspect that the Xbox 360 has programming very similar to Windows.
My guess:
First of all, PC, because many gamers prefer PC due to their upgradeability and that they offer (at the moment) superior network capability. I don't see how motion sensing technologies could really be integrated into a Tomb Raider game, so I don't think the controller question will be much of an issue.
I also would guess Xbox 360. While I can imagine CD dropping current-gen (though I hope not any time soon), it would make no sense for them to drop "next-gen".
PlayStation for sure, but which one? Given that both Xbox and Xbox 360 are supported at the moment, I'd guess that a PS2 version will be out. PS3 looks impressive, but it also has many problems in its development process. If the Anniversary Edition is out this year or first half of next year, I guess they'd pass on a PS3 version.
Nintendo platforms are interesting to watch, I guess it depends on how well the Nintendo-versions of Legend sell at the moment. Similar for PSP, I do believe that both of these are not a long-term commitment at the moment, rather something that Eidos wanted to try out (possibly with encouragement by Nintendo and Sony). If they appear again for the next game, I guess they will stay permanent, though.
Original Xbox is difficult to say. My feeling is that it will not last as long with the Xbox 360 available as the PS2 will when the PS3 is out, but that is just guessed. I would expect to see it with the next game, if it does, indeed, appear within a reasonable timeframe of TR's tenth anniversary.
Mac OS X is something that I really hope for, but most likely that is not up to Eidos, SCi, Crystal Dynamics, Core or whoever, but rather depends on what Aspyr is doing. All previous Tomb Raiders have been available on the Mac (except Legend), and it is a widely-known franchise that can make lots of money, so unless Crystal does something stupid (like using Havok, which is not available at all for Macs), I would guess that we Mac users see a version with a long delay. Of course, currently, with the Intel transition, the Mac is not an extremely easy target to work for, but getting around such troubles is what makes money for Aspyr and I don't see them change that any time soon.
Edit: Thevman, I think many developers would be very happy if it was as easy as this, but it isn't. To take full advantage of the Cell CPU that Sony uses, developers will have to think very differently from what is useful on a normal CPU, for example. Also, console developers usually work a layer deeper than on a PC, so many tools that are available on Linux, Mac OS X or even Windows will be unavailable or more difficult to use for a console developer.
Personally I don't think they'll be dropping the PS2 anytime soon, even if they support PS3 with the next game.
The PS2 market is massive worldwide. If they don't sell a PS2 version they exclude the largest market to sell their game in... That's silly.
The only possible reason to drop the PS2 so quickly is if nearly ALL PS2 owners upgrade within a year to PS3. Or alternatively, if nearly all PS2 owners could be accounted for through other consoles (Xbox, Xbox360) and PC.
But watch the horrendous feeding frenzy when the PS3 comes out, no matter what price!
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It will be a circus!
fondantcookie
12-07-06, 19:21
Id say PS3, PC and Maybe XBox 360...
All the rest are unnecessary and wasted development time in my opinion... especially given that Legend was released on NINE platforms and completely SUCKED in terms of Length !!!!!!!
More than these three core platforms is just being greedy.... and my fear is that EIDOS will push for this as they are evidently money grabbing :cen: (rhymes with doors :))
Personally I don't think they'll be dropping the PS2 anytime soon, even if they support PS3 with the next game.
The PS2 market is massive worldwide. If they don't sell a PS2 version they exclude the largest market to sell their game in... That's silly.
The only possible reason to drop the PS2 so quickly is if nearly ALL PS2 owners upgrade within a year to PS3. Or alternatively, if nearly all PS2 owners could be accounted for through other consoles (Xbox, Xbox360) and PC.
I completely Agree....I am most certain that TR8 will be on PS2...
The way I see it....TR8 will most definitly conclude TR7.... And I feel its a silly idea to conclude a story on an entirely new platform. Why? Becasue any new fans to the TR series who joined with TR8 won't really understand the plot. They'd need to go back and play TR7: something they may not have access to, or something they may not want to play due to what they heard about it.
To me, it makes more sense for the TR series to debut on PS3 with an entirely new story (ie TR9)....to attract a new fresh fanbase with a new appealing storyline and no confusing background-garbage...
In summation, I believe TR8 will use the same engine and graphics as legend....it will continue and conclude Legends story and will be released on PS2 along with the Anniversary edition. In the meantime, I hope CD is also working on TR9 for its debut on PS3... Haha, wishful thinking anyways...
Just a two-cents anyway :D
360 is a definite must. It's next gen and is a good solution for people who don't have the money to get a PS3.
Ward Dragon
12-07-06, 19:48
The way I see it....TR8 will most definitly conclude TR7.... And I feel its a silly idea to conclude a story on an entirely new platform. Why? Becasue any new fans to the TR series who joined with TR8 won't really understand the plot. They'd need to go back and play TR7: something they may not have access to, or something they may not want to play due to what they heard about it.
I wouldn't be too sure about that...The Legacy of Kain series is five games long and still not finished. Soul Reaver 1 was for PSX, PC, and Dreamcast and it literally ended with "To be continued" and then Soul Reaver 2 was for PS2 and PC, which also ended in a cliff-hanger that was picked up in Defiance (Blood Omen 1 and Blood Omen 2 are both complete games that stand alone). I wouldn't discount the possibility of the Legend storyline being continued on a future platform, although from a marketing standpoint it wouldn't make sense to cut the PS2 out so soon. (If I sound a little bitter, I'm sorry, I'm just disappointed that the LOK series got shelved and I'll probably never get to know how it ends)
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