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Tomb Raider Jay
10-08-06, 18:37
I'm sure this topic has come up before but what do you guys think makes the original Tomb Raider such a wounderful and magical experience? :confused:
I think the first time I realised I was playing a truly magical game was the feeling of awe and wonder on the Lost Valley level. The huge, gushing waterfalls, lush green foliage and crumbling temple arcitecture - all untouched by the hands of man for millions of years - like a seperate world, was truly spectacular for a PS One game. Then rounding the corner and screaming like a girl when I saw the T-Rex for the first time! :D
The whole Lost Valley level was bathed in awe, wonder and excitment - I couldn't wait to find out what was coming next and that is what made Tomb Raider such a brilliant game because we had no idea what was around the next corner! :D
First it was caves with bares and dinos, then it was an ancient fort with apes and pumas, a huge underground cistern with giant rats and crocs followed and so on...
There was always something different, with each level a new twist in the tale as well as a few unexpected surprises!
The game only got better as it went on and I couldn't wait to solve the next big puzzle or find that hidden switch, such excitment.....
The fear of not knowing what Lara had to face next, the danger of falling to impending doom, all that and more made Tomb Raider a classic, magical game and experience! :tmb:
Why do you guys think Tomb Raider is such a magical experience? :confused:
Another Lara
10-08-06, 19:08
I don't think I could put into words what makes the first Tomb Raider so special; I spose you could put it down to being an absolute original and the atmosphere the game puts across has never been recreated in any of the other games in the series.The closest to it I think would be TR4.
It may also be particularly special to me is because it was the first computer game I owned when I was really young and the absolute wonder and awe of the sheer scale of the whole thing I felt back then I think I still feel everytime I go to play it... Even when the Intro music starts I get chills! :rolleyes:
Miss Adventure
10-08-06, 19:35
I think the best thing of first TR was the story and the main enemie,Natla. That makes first TR so special...In my opinion,other TR-s aren't so original as the first one. That's why is it so magical.
For me,TR1 will allways be special. It is the first game in TR series and the best,too!!!
Shark_Blade
10-08-06, 20:47
Great villain with attitude to boost and great adventure(thrills and puzzles, traps)
What makes it magical for me? Ok, a long story this...
First played it when I was 11 or 12, after spending many years being used to 2D games like Sonic the Hedgehog, Mario, etc. My grandparents bought me a Saturn with Sega Rally, as they were taking my sister (who was 9 at the time) on holiday. As I didn't want to go they bought me something to the value of the holiday to make it fair. After setting up the Saturn and starting Sega Rally it didn't take long to notice the copy didn't work! We returned to Curry's (an electrical retailer for the non UK people here) to exchange the copy but they were out of stock of Sega Rally, the only other game they had in stock was Tomb Raider, so I settled for that. I had never seen this game in motion before I played it, only snapshots in magazines. I was instantly impressed with it's "smooth frame rate" (I know, this was 1996 mind!) and the freedom to explore. Not to mention the many controls and acrobats to perform which made it feel sophisticated compared to using one button to jump like in the 16-bit games.
It was the whole 3D experience which wowed me, if that's a word! As for in game experiences I would say: Shooting a wolf with a shotgun, seeing the T-rex, falling ten stories, I could go on really.
I can remember the day 10 years ago that I first played TR!
We had a caravan, which had a particular comforting smell to it ( that added to the experience!) and a little tv in there and also the SNES. For hours I sat and played Star Wars, NBA Jam, Golf, Mario, just waiting for my bro's mate to come along with his "Playstation" (whatever one of those was). When he came I looked through his stack of games and wanted to play Aliens vs Predator, but my bro said "Nah, we're playing this one first, I heard it's cool." He held up the box of TR1, and I thought "mneh , oh ok then...*grumble*."
As soon as I saw the game I fell in love, as soon as I controlled her I took out the guns and fired like mad, - 'twas like nothing I'd ever experienced before!
The rest of the night I wasn't allowed in with my bro and his mates, so I snuk outside the caravan window and peered at them as they shimmied Lara across that waterfall edge on Lost Valley. *Sigh* good days :)
When I first actually had a proper go on it there was a number of things I loved that made it amazing: The music, the areas, the plot, the trickyness, gliding through the air and grabbing a ledge over a chasm, the Rex was unbelievable, and the exploration and gameplay captured me. The freedom! I could do what I wanted, go where I wanted, throw her off cliffs and ledges of boneshattering height, be eaten by dino's, mauled by bears, nibbled by bats and rats and chomped by crocs.. It's an immensely special game, and well Well deserves the title "Classic".
:D
Maybe just that for its time, it offered graphics and gameplay that was unheard of up to that point.
I always liked the exploration, like when you enter a new area and look around thinking "wow, there's tons to do here!".
For me it just felt right immediately. Controlling Lara when the cave door closed, I was instantly drawn into this "real" world. I felt like I was there in a lonely, lost world that really existed.
All I had to do was take my time and explore, find out it's secrets...where I needed to go, what I needed to do and why...
I liked not having everything spelt out for me...go here, do this, get that... it was mysterious on every level.
I also enjoyed the complete freshness and unexpectedness of everything. You'd turn a corner and something new and amazing would confront you.
You'd be walking along the dark caves and then come across a beautiful waterfall... then find a rocky outcrop to climb up that leads to a Lost Valley.... then see skeletons littered among massive footprints that mildly register in the back of your brain... before... the final BIG REVEAL (T. rex)...
The pacing was pitched to perfection, the "reveals" sublime.
The music, architecture, controls, beauty, colours, interactivity, exploration, discovery, locations, story, mythic themes... were all inspired, but together they definitely exceeded the sum of their parts. :)
Im thinking because it is the first taste of the TR franchise. That most people had never played something like it before. It appealed to action likers and those who are interested in acient civilizations...
shaahinkaaveh
11-08-06, 05:30
I think nothing belongs specially to TR1. My first TR was TR2, and I had the same feelings of awe and excitement Tomb Raider Jay mentioned with that. TR1 was the last classic TR I played (before AOD and Legend), and it was only good, it wasn't such a magical expirience. :) I mean whatever we mention here could be said more or less about every classic TR.
I was 10 when I first played it, and kind of new to proper computer games - I thought you could go everywhere. I would play Caves over and over again, trying to get up to those high alcoves in the ceilings way above. I also played the demo of Venice a lot, and I kept dreaming about climbing over the fence thing right at the start of the level. The innocence of a child. :D
Tomb Raider 1, was the first Tomb Raider i played and i automatically fell in love with the game. I didnt play much at first, just ran round her house a bit and drowned her, but i wanted it.
So i got it a few years later, after i owned Tomb Raider 3 anyway.
I played the first two levels, and wasnt that much impressed after having played Tomb Raider 3, but then i reached The Lost Valley.
The Lost Valley was an amazing level, and when i reached that level, thats when i started to really get into Tomb Raider 1, and realise how much of an amazing game it is.
The fear factor is a big part of that game for me, the fear of not knowing whats round the corner, or whats coming up behind you till its too late, or what is going to happen next!?!?! Thats what i loved about it, its just a shame it died out in the later games.
Also for me, it is the environment aswell, the locations are fantastic and very well built out for graphics of that time. The Lost Valley level was such a beautiful level, with all the jungle like greenery, the caves and the temple etc.
And one last thing for me, its near enough all Tombs!! :D
So there are my reasons to why i think Tomb Raider 1 is the best.
Despite the fact tr1 was my first tr, it wasn't the game that made me fall in love with the franchise. I got my ps1 in 1998 when I was 8 and I had heard so much about tr3 and how great it was. It looked like a good game but I decided to get tr1 first because I didn't want to play a game that would not introduce me to the game. I thought tr3 would be much harder than the first and I was new to it so I decided to get the first game first. I did like tr1 but it wasn't THAT good. I wouldn't say it was a magical experience. I did love it but I didn't fall in love with the series at that point. I liked it so much that I decided to get tr2. It was even better. Still at this point I loved the two games but it wasn't magical. After that I rented tr3. I played the jungle and thought "I dont like this game". I decided not to buy tr3. Then I played the tr4 demo I got from a magazine. THAT was the point I fell in love with tr. I just loved it. I then decided to get tr4 because the demo was so good. TR4 was absolutely incredible! TR4 is the game that is a magical experience. TR4 is the best game I have ever played. It made me love the other trs even more. When I got tr5 I liked it but not as much as the others. After that I bought tr3. I really got ito the game this time and I loved it. Then I got tr6 and then 7 and I liked them both. I liked tr6 more than 7 but I liked them both. No TR will ever begin to compare with the magic that is TR4. TR1 was my first game and I loved it but it was nowhere near as magical as the experience of tr4 was.
I remember the day so clearly even though it was 10 years ago.
I was at my brothers house and he was playing it. I thought wow this is a female in this game with guns to boot. Well to cut a long story short he never did finish it, I loaned it and he never got it back.
I loved the solitude, the vast areas, the story, the anticipation of what was around the corner or what what going to happen next.
The game was magical and when I fnished it I felt like I had really accomplished something and I started to play it all over again. For me it really had a WOW factor that not too many games have since done.
The Great Chi
11-08-06, 13:39
My experience of the first Tomb raider game was just amazing, as it was total 3D immersion and felt so real :D
I ended up playing it right through the night for hours and hours and could not stop.
I WAS the character running around in the tombs, and it really was gutt churning when I hit those spike traps, uggh !
Up to then most games were 2D platform games, so that made tomb raider such an eye opener, and I still class TR games as being leages ahead of all others, right up to Legend, (excluding the pathetic AOD which had dreadfull controls ).
it was on the 97 when i first played tomb raider,.. my first encounter with it was by the tv news,... they were talking about a new phenomena called lara croft that was on top in the markets everywhere,.. and how the francrise was growing with the time,.. then they show an image of tomb raider 2,.. and one of the first model riding a bike a close up,.. and then she lower her glases,.. after that i just new that it was a game to have,... time passed and i got a pc,.. and it was inside it,.. it had 3 saves,.. one of the caves,.. and onether of the vilkavanbas caves,... and then i started getting into it,.. running away from bears,.. and shouting everytime i saw a wolf.... and it hapen like in the movies,.. i get to the lost valley,.. i put the options to save,.. and then i started getting close to the screen,.. i couldnt believe that what i was watching was a raptor,... a dino in this game!!!! unbelievable.!!!! i save and then the dino killed me,.. so i load and start running,.. i finally get to kill some of them,... like to,.. and when i thought it was over,.. and i was enjoying the place,.. waterfalls, plants,.. a broken bridge,.. caves everywhere,.. the ground started trembling,.. yep,.. the t rex,... it came,.... i freak,... it open it mouth and roar as i could hear,.. and i got my guns out and start shooting it,.. so far it eat me the first time,.. then the second time,.. and every time in a different way,.. and then,.. i was already inlove with it,.. i was so into it, that my girlfriend gets ****ed and go back home with out saying nothing to me,...
anyway... after that and lots of things tomb raider had ,.. way better than any other of the time,.. i felt complettely devoted to that game,.. which could combine indiana jones films with prince of persia 2d games....
so far so good,....
I first picked up TR1 back in late 96. I was 19 years old, and in my first year of Uni.
I wasn't really sure what I'd bought. I'd gone into game and asked for a recommendation 'with exploration in it, please; something like Kings Field?' and the guy said 'well, this is new - Tomb Raider. It's got really good reviews and so seems right up your alley...'
So I bought it. I got it home and stuck it in my PS. Being a bit arrogant, I decided to forgo the training level... big mistake. I can make Lara dance on thehead of a pin now, but then, I'd never, ever had this much freedom in controlling a character, and so had no coordination whatsoever! After running into numerous walls, I went back and did the training. Still wobbly, I started the game again.
I was making my wobbly way towards the area with the ropebridges, when I heard a godawful noise. I literally froze - what they hell WAS that?! It was something I just wasn't expecting. Frantically, I span Lara on the spot, but I still couldn't see where the noise was coming from. The, I unholstered her guns, and she pointed them at something... a wolf.
A damn, crappy, stupid WOLF had terrified me!
After that, I was simply hooked. Every single location made me go 'wooooaaaahhhh'.... I remember my first secret, too. I didn't even know there were secrets in the game, so finding one was a major thing... when I got to the end of the level, I found that there were more! Joy and bliss rolled into one!
No other game ever has made me sit there, open mouthed, staring at the screen. Granted, TR1 may not stand up to today's graphical standards, but to me, it has a beauty all of it's own - it invokes a very strange feeling in me that no other game (infact, no other TR) does. I can't describe it - it's a sense of wonder and joy, mixed up with an embarrassing case of 'lump-in-my-thoat-itis' - all I have to hear is the start-up theme, and I'm there. It's so lonely, so mysterious, so beautiful, so damn terrifying in some places... for me, those mutant mummies beat anything Silent Hill has to offer.
I just love the whole experience this game has to offer. It's never been beaten, imo :tmb:
I am an old gamer. I won't tell you how far back I go, but I can remember when moving two little stylzed tanks around on a screen and shooting at each other was big time. But when TR1 came out, it was like my dream come true, a 'fully realized" 3D world to explore. It was like taking every action/adventure movie that I revelled in as a kid and giving me a magic key to step into those worlds. No longer was I a mere passive observer but I was now an active participant.
I think it was that more than anything that made TR1 so special.
mangungutya
11-08-06, 18:30
I am an old gamer. I won't tell you how far back I go, but I can remember when moving two little stylzed tanks around on a screen and shooting at each other was big time. But when TR1 came out, it was like my dream come true, a 'fully realized" 3D world to explore. It was like taking every action/adventure movie that I revelled in as a kid and giving me a magic key to step into those worlds. No longer was I a mere passive observer but I was now an active participant.
I think it was that more than anything that made TR1 so special.
I grew up programming and gaming on a commodore 64(Does that date me? It was old at the time...). Jumping into TR was amazing for me. I loved the graphics and the baddies. The wolves terrified me, but what made it the most special was that T-Rex.
I saw that thing and froze. I watched it come over to me and pick me up in it's mouth, essentially killing me. AFter that, I became hardcore. TR1 is my family's Christmas tradition. Wierd? Yeah, but amazing.
Until I played TR1, the only computer games I had played were point & click mystery adventures and the games that came with Windows such as Solitaire and Hover (who remembers that great game?).
At first I thought I wasn't going to like Tomb Raider because it was so different to what I was used to but I soon became addicted. It took me ages to really get the hang of it, but that was what made it so appealing - I felt challenged; far more so than with any other games I had played. The mystery adventures had lots of tough puzzles to solve, but Tomb Raider had those and much more besides. The slightest loss of concentration could mean death for Lara at any moment.
I was in awe at the skill of the programmers in creating environments that really made me feel that I was there, in the middle of it, rather than just watching it on the monitor. Sanctuary of the Scion is a good such example. In that level I felt real fear and dizziness over the prospect of falling from those great heights.
Then there was the amazing intense atmosphere, particularly in the later levels, such as Atlantis. No movie I have seen ever managed to keep me so gripped as those levels did.
I'm glad that TR1 was the first Tombraider game I played because the slow learning process made it last for so long. If I had already been familiar with the controls, moves and general idea of how to find my way around, I would have rushed through it more quickly, and I think you need to spend a lot of time with that game to fully appreciate how good it is and to enjoy it to the maximum extent.
brooklynspider
15-08-06, 01:42
Back in 1999, I first tried tr1. The first couple of levels were alright.
Then I came upon the t-rex. I was by myself, all the lights were out and I
was actually getting creeped out by this t-rex and his lost valley. I've been hooked ever since.
When I first entered St. Francis' folley and was looking down from the
top level, all I could say was "WoW."
For me, the game does a nice job of making you feel so alone during your
adventure. A lot of the music has a nice ,haunting feeling to it as well.
The eerieness is what I love about this one. It makes me feel disturbed, whick I kind of like... I remember feeling so creeped out by the first door opening in Caves, and that haunting xylophone noise after it, even the arrows added to the eerie atmosphere.
I was 36 back in 96', my kids had stepped up to a playstaion after being nintendo freaks for years. One day they told me I gotta see this. They loaded the PS and turned it on. The chime of the PS starting up caught my attention, then the game loaded. I hear this cool, mysterious music and see some wild opening cutscene in the opening FMV. Confused by what I just saw of the past, it quickly jumps up to modern day. Some smart mouthed guy starts messing with a take no crap woman, she is propositioned and takes the bait of an adventure. The kids load the first level. I'm liking it already. A hot babe that takes no crap, with guns and she knows how to use them! The opening FMV plays to caves, she is climbing the wall! She pushes on the carvings on the wall and a gigantic stone door creeps open. Suddenly I hear some growling noises, I look and lara's tour guide is worried, then the eye's pop up in the dark opening.... WHAM! They bolts out! It's wolves and they are eating my tour guide! Get em' lara! Shoot those wolves, they're killing the tour guide! She kills one, then another, then two more, and then... one last shot. HOLY CRAP! Then the kids enter the caves, I see they can move anywher in a 3D world, I hear the arrows and I'm getting into it, go here, no there! I hear faint squeeks, what are those? BATS! Kill em', kill em'! Then they find their first secret... I hear the chime... what was that!? Oooooooooooooohhhhhh, a secret! It was hidden, were we supposed to be able to find that? WOW!!!! Then they show me they started the forth level, st. francis follies....
I say, show me no more and go out and buy my own memory card so I can play and not mess up their save. I want to play it from the start so I can find everything, search every corner, climb every rock! Never have I seen such a game! No nursery rhyme songs, no cute mushrooms and coins, no 2D maze in this game. This was no kiddie game, this was for me! It didn't hurt that lara had a cute little wiggle to her butt when she ran either.
So I get my own memory card and start the game. I watch those amazing FMV's again, just cause they are so cool. I play the training levels so I can get used to manuevering lara. then start the first level. OK, I know there are secrets, I need to search eveywhere for secrets and there are bats, so be careful. I find a secret... cool. I find another one, cool. I enter the next room, where am I? Oh, a lever and a door down here. I open it, kill a bat, climb up after looking thru a gate at another room where I hear those growls again... are those, could it be... wolves like in the opening? I carefully creep to an edge, at first I don't see anything moving around, but then there it was, a flash of movement. I look harder, gulp, it's him, it's a wolf! How am I gonna get past him? I shoot, but he's not in range. Finally I get him. I search and then run into the next room, I jump but didn't space it out right and fall down into an opening. Woah! Where'd this bear come from!? Crap, get me out of here!!!! I run into a hallway and a door opens, I take the escape route with relief! I finally beat the level and realize I'm sweating with fear, my heart is racing, I am pumped up for more baby!
I play the next level. Holy carp again! There are so many wolves!!! Woah, another bear! Bats! I find out she can navigate while doing some underwater swimming... cool! Wow, some tricky jumps in here, hard to figure out how to get there, some high ledges. Neat, 3 rooms to solve in the next area! I clear the level!
I start the next level, valley of what? I check out the path along the creek and find a secret, I go the other way, COOL! A swan dive down this cliff into a pool of water! I climb out, go into an opening, wolves, great, more wolves! Blam, Blam! I go in guns blazing! Oh I'm good, took out those bad boys, too sweet! Hmmmm, what's this? I can climb up... hmm, a way down.... ohh! What was that red flash? Blam, blam... climb down... a raptor??? HOLY CRAP! Hey, another one, blam, blam! Ummmm, what is that loud thud???? Why is the ground shaking???????????????
http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/crybig.gif
HOLY CRAP!
IT'S A
T-REX!!!!
RUNNNN!!!!!
I make it to a cave..... catch my breath and peek out the opening... oh, he hasn't forgot me, he's right there.... I take some pot shots at him, but doesn't seem to phase him. So I go into the caves, hmm, raptors, better get rid of them. Hey, an opening, I'm higher.... here t-rex, here t-rex... BLAM! BLAM! Peg him a few times. He rushes me! I duck back into the cave! I sneak out, BLAM! BLAM! I nail him again... again he rushes me. Again I duck for cover! Finally beat him! WOW!!! (actually forgot, 1st time he ate me and shook lara about, it was the second time I fought him)
At this point the then wifey was tapping her foot. I had to put lara and her adventure away and come to bed... I'll be back lara.... (much to my now ex wife's chagrin) (the kids had a ball egging me on and laughing at me as I yelled at the game!)
That was my first day with lara... I've been with her ever since!
thepetemaster
17-08-06, 20:33
Nice story Vman, mine is kinda the same - only without the wife and kids part!
;)
Lost_Raider
18-08-06, 07:04
It's like in the middle of my own adventure and I can do anything I want and create my own experiences.
It was the first time a 3D game was worth playing. You could see yourself and actually do something in the environment. It was a girl character that was fit and fearless (unlike me *cough*) and she was alone exploring mysterious places nobody found before. It was a good feeling. I don't think it can be repeated the way the game industry evolved.
I have to play this game again, where is that thread that explains the install in XP with Glidos? :D
sweetPoison
19-08-06, 16:58
I think the game is considered a classic is because at the time games such as TR were not as popular and one has to keep in mind that if there were games that were simillar, it would most definitely have a male protagonist.
TR defied convention and risked having a female lead in the form of Lara - not to mention the fact that Lara Croft is the most unlikely heroine one can imagine for someone of her standing wouldn't necessaily want to venture out in tombs and decide to make a perilous journey just for some old relic. Most ladies would just sip tea in their gardens while keeping occupied with crochet.
Perhaps it all comes down to the time when it was released and how it consequently changed, or influenced, the gaming world.
rr_carroll
20-08-06, 01:21
This is one of my favorite threads. I think I'll print it out and just hand it to people who try to tell me I'm too old for video games.
Back in 96, I bought my first proper PC with some cheap DOS games. I wasn't much of a gamer back then, and I didn't expect to start getting appealed to them either.
At the end of 96, however, I went shopping. Nothing special at all. But then I saw Tomb Raider in the shelves, right next to my (now ex) favorite Musik-Shelf. I grabbed the box and started to read the back of it. At first it didn't really interest me, and I put it back. But something about it made me come back to the store a while later.
"Hmm, perhaps you should just give it a go. The shop has a 2-weeks return policy" I thought.
So it was decided. I bought my first copy of Tomb Raider, including the book with the Walkthrough (I wasn't very patient with games back then. I wanted to be entertained without having to work for it)
Back home I put in the CD and installed the game. I quickly went into the kitchen to cook myself some spaghetti, and went back into my Computer-Room.
When the Intro started to play I suddenly became very interested.
Lara seemed to be pretty cool!
The first level started. I put the little book right next to my keyboard and started to try out all the controls.
"Draw weapons...hmmm...okay."
"Shoot? How...*BAM* *BAM* *BAM*...Ooooooh!!!"
"Jump! *bounce* *bounce* *bounce* Weeeeee!"
"Right...*reads* walk forwards and follow the pawprints of the wolves...*walks* *Arrows fly arround* AAAAAAAAAAH! *reads* "And watch out for the trap ahead of you!" ...yeah great...could've said that sooner."
To make a long story short, I didn't use the book for long. When I had first encountered the T-Rex, I knew that this game deserved to be played properly. And to be honest, I found it rather difficult to get lost in the first part.
I became hooked right after the first 20mins. After about 1 hour I suddenly smelled something burning. Uh-oh! The spaghetti!!
Well..they were a mess...but it was worth it :D
Lara introduced me into the world of gaming, and my husband is extremely grateful for that because I'm a very excessive gamer like him. So we have a very peaceful life, and 7 PCs at home *laughs*
thepetemaster
21-08-06, 08:31
So we have a very peaceful life, and 7 PCs at home *laughs*
Do you have one in every room - including the bathroom? ;)
I'm guessing you never needed to take it back before the two weeks was up?
Do you have one in every room - including the bathroom? ;)
I'm guessing you never needed to take it back before the two weeks was up?
Yeah that's about right ;) 2 in the living-room, 1 in the kitchen, 1 in the hobby-room, 1 in the bed-room, 1 in the bathroom (far away from the water though) and one in the cellar. You have no idea what a blessing our first W-LAN Router was.
Nope, I still have the box after almost 10 years :D
Right next to all the other TR Parts. They have a special place in my room.
Yeah that's about right ;) 2 in the living-room, 1 in the kitchen, 1 in the hobby-room, 1 in the bed-room, 1 in the bathroom (far away from the water though) and one in the cellar. You have no idea what a blessing our first W-LAN Router was.
Nope, I still have the box after almost 10 years :D
Right next to all the other TR Parts. They have a special place in my room.
why do you need one in the bathroom? :vlol:
why do you need one in the bathroom? :vlol:
Hey, do you know how boring it can be when you have certain "problems" and need to stay on the toilet for a while? :ton:
Then I just grab a wireless keyboard and start chatting or something.
Noone should dare to ask me what I'm doing though.
Hey, do you know how boring it can be when you have certain "problems" and need to stay on the toilet for a while? :ton:
Then I just grab a wireless keyboard and start chatting or something.
Noone should dare to ask me what I'm doing though.
oh man... :vlol:
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