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Shark_Blade
21-09-06, 05:37
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got this in my newspaper today. Personally I think I might get the game,hope it will not be banned, but on the other hand, it might affect the countries young teenager's mind with violence and sex. What do you think?:confused:

VonCroy360
21-09-06, 07:19
Why would it be banned?
We have numerous games rated 18+, and in this one you can actually take the role of the person defending himself from bullying, where young people can learn both harm of bullying and how to deal with it.
So... no, I don't think it should be banned.

:)

MMAN
21-09-06, 09:12
it might affect the countries young teenager's mind with violence and sex. What do you think?:confused:

How can something not even present affect someone? As far as I know the violence in Bully is pretty light (in terms of gore etc), sex isn't even mentioned, unless you mean the mention of sex shops, but that would be clutching at straws.

Shark_Blade
21-09-06, 09:14
^I said might, considering they develop GTA too. :)

MMAN
21-09-06, 09:24
Rockstar are controversial, but they're not suicidal. If they had let you have sex and murder people in a game with a kid main character in it the game wouldn't have even got to this stage.

Rivendell
21-09-06, 09:55
it might affect the countries young teenager's mind with violence and sex. What do you think?:confused:

Exactly what I thought!

A game like this is going to have more influence on kids than GTA as in aspects it glorifies bullying - sure you have the option not to - as the main character is a teen himself. Things like kids bullying kids is going to seem a lot more accessible (and probably fun) than for example, nicking a car, razzing down a street and running everyone on the pavement over, before whipping out a rocket launcher and paragliding off a sky scraper - if the game is played by the wrong type. Which it inevitably will (think target audience?).

;)

If any concept for a game deserved to be banned, then surely this would be it in my mind - the likes of Manhunt and GTA seem like a dangerous fantasy in comparison.

Shark_Blade
21-09-06, 10:07
^but the only thing that is unfair when it is banned are people like us, who wants to play the game only for it's pure joy and fun. It's like some kids do something wrong,everyone can't play the game.

I remember once in my country, Daredevil the movie was banned from the cinema the last minute. All the promotions being done for has gone to waste and people consorted to pirated version of it and it has become quite like hot cakes,everyone wants to grab a copy. They banned it because of the violence and satanic feature and may upset other religions.

I got hold of the dvd later on and I laughed. What the hell were they thinking. It's kinda like any super hero movies out there.

So the point is that, if something is considered can make you upset or alter your behavior, they shouldn't ban it. Some people might be missing out. I know some bans are appropriate but the Daredevil ban is total nonsense and childish. They should only set ages or esrb rating and such

edit:
I heard Manhunt is the most violent game. you can make real damages to people with weapons and people in there are real psychotic. But it wasn't banned. lol bully gonna get banned :rolleyes:

interstellardave
21-09-06, 11:34
If this game is 18+ then kids shouldn't have it or play it. If it's not rated 18+ parents should still know what their kids are playing. The fact that they will play it, regardless of that, is not the publishers fault. PARENTS: LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

End of story...... for the 1,497,564th time..... :hea:

PirateRose
21-09-06, 15:38
PARENTS: LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

Unfortunatly, I think the mistake a lot of parents do is not only notlook at what their kids are playing, but live in this fluffy world that their inocent baby wouldn't purposely pick out a game like that.

Its the whole "MY baby, my pumpkin, my angel, my pookie poo would never do THAT!" that many parents have stuck in their heads about their kids.

Shark_Blade
21-09-06, 15:54
yeah, and that's exactly what spoilt the little brats.
lol piraterose, your pumpkin,baby,angel example reminds me of Dudley in Harry Potter :vlol:

TR freak
21-09-06, 17:26
The facts this game is suitable for ages 13 and up (so I heard) shows how non violent this game is. Of course it shouldn't be banned. You are NOT the bully in this game unlike some ppl think.

Scottlee
21-09-06, 17:57
It shouldn't be banned at all, regardless of what's in it.

Responsible over-18's should not be persecuted because of the idiot minority. End of.

TombRaiderLover
21-09-06, 18:00
Isn't the game only rated 15 in the UK? If I'm right, then it can't be too violent.

illuminati30
21-09-06, 18:24
^I said might, considering they develop GTA too. :)

I was just going to say, this sounds like some tack Rockstar games would come away with.

Legend of Lara
21-09-06, 18:25
GET OVER IT!!! Kids under 18 aren't supposed to be playing these games!!! The same goes for Manhunt, GTA, The Getaway and anything rated 18+! STOP SUING ROCKSTAR AND THE OTHERS!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

interstellardave
21-09-06, 18:26
The problem I have with this whole issue is that even for games rated "M" or "18+" there's still a massive fuss about the content needing to be "kid-friendly" because some kids get there hands on the games. It's crazy. Kids can and do get their hands on all kinds of things they shouldn't: booze, cigarettes, drugs, porn, etc... So what? It's been that way for all of our lives, and the lives of our forefathers. It's LIFE. Life can't be completely "toned down" because of children... you do what you can to be reponsible and leave it at that.

illuminati30
21-09-06, 18:29
If this game is 18+ then kids shouldn't have it or play it. If it's not rated 18+ parents should still know what their kids are playing. The fact that they will play it, regardless of that, is not the publishers fault. PARENTS: LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

End of story...... for the 1,497,564th time..... :hea:

Exactly! And i won't mention half of the 12 year old kids on this board who play Grand Theft Auto, and watch 18 rated horror films :whi:

If i had a kid, i would certainly monitor what games they were playing! These parents must be buying the games??? Unless these kids have loads of cash, but even then they still couldn't buy them. Jeez if i had kids i wouldn't even let them on the net.

Is simple really, don't buy Rockstar games, hey are just the height of cheap and tacky trashyness!

illuminati30
21-09-06, 18:31
GET OVER IT!!! Kids under 18 aren't supposed to be playing these games!!! The same goes for Manhunt, GTA, The Getaway and anything rated 18+! STOP SUING ROCKSTAR AND THE OTHERS!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Not supposed to, but they do!

Legend of Lara
21-09-06, 18:32
Here's a true story:

I was at a mall going through the library of PS2 games on offer. There was nothing interesting so I was about to leave but...
I SAW A KID AND HIS DAD WAS BUYING HIM GOD OF WAR!!! :eek::yik::eek::yik:
The dad was perfectly aware of the games 18+ rating and the kid was about 9! That's irresponsibility!

interstellardave
21-09-06, 18:37
Here's a true story:

I was at a mall going through the library of PS2 games on offer. There was nothing interesting so I was about to leave but...
I SAW A KID AND HIS DAD WAS BUYING HIM GOD OF WAR!!! :eek::yik::eek::yik:
The dad was perfectly aware of the games 18+ rating and the kid was about 9! That's irresponsibility!

Interestingly enough, I saw a similar scene one time (a mother buying GOW for a young kid), but the clerk made it absolutely clear to the parent what was in the game before he sold it to her. You should have seen the look that kid gave the clerk, LOL! The mom said that her and her husband would play the game with him, though, so the child would understand what it all meant. I think that was a good response, because God Of War is fine for some kids, if they aren't squeamish, but it's much better if the parents can put the violence and nudity into the context of the games' story.

Tombreaper
21-09-06, 18:37
Young people's real Mafia are lame parents and politicians (and priests)
Not a game or something

illuminati30
21-09-06, 18:40
Here's a true story:

I was at a mall going through the library of PS2 games on offer. There was nothing interesting so I was about to leave but...
I SAW A KID AND HIS DAD WAS BUYING HIM GOD OF WAR!!! :eek::yik::eek::yik:
The dad was perfectly aware of the games 18+ rating and the kid was about 9! That's irresponsibility!

Yep it is. Probably just wants him to go to his room and play it, and shut up. If people can not raise children responsibly, then they don't deserve to have them.

I have no problem with violence in games, but as long as it is not supplied to kids in this irresponsible way, but the fact that this involves kids and is about bullying, is controversial, because in reality we all know that many kids get to play these types of games, so i say yes ban it, if its going to help out some poor kid who is being beaten up because of it.

I just have it in for Rockstar games because of there trashy cheap and nasty games, and if there was some vote or petition to ban any one of there games, then i would sign it!

interstellardave
21-09-06, 18:43
Yep it is. Probably just wants him to go to his room and play it, and shut up. If people can not raise children responsibly, then they don't deserve to have them.

I have no problem with violence in games, but as long as it is not supplied to kids in this irresponsible way, but the fact that this involves kids and is about bullying, is controversial, because in reality we all know that many kids get to play these types of games, so i say yes ban it, if its going to help out some poor kid who is being beaten up because of it.

I just have it in for Rockstar games because of there trashy cheap and nasty games, and if there was some vote or petition to ban any one of there games, then i would sign it!

Oh, I must disagree. This same argument can be used to ban anything that could conceivably harm kids... which, at last count, is almost everything. Think about it!

illuminati30
21-09-06, 18:47
Oh, I must disagree. This same argument can be used to ban anything that could conceivably harm kids... which, at last count, is almost everything. Think about it!

I know, i know, but because this involves kids in a school play ground type setting, i think its a bit different.

Personally i have no problem with it. It it the parents who allow their kids to play this kind of thing who i want to slap.

interstellardave
21-09-06, 18:53
I know, i know, but because this involves kids in a school play ground type setting, i think its a bit different.

Personally i have no problem with it. It it the parents who allow their kids to play this kind of thing who i want to slap.

Yeah, that's the real issue! Besides, actual bullying is a problem, not a videogame that has it as a theme... kids who are being bullied have a real problem which shouldn't be exacerbated by videogame bullying... Actually it could be a good thing for kids that are being bullied, as I'm sure the game allows you to overcome it. Videogames are often therapuetic that way.

TR freak
21-09-06, 18:58
It is not a violent game at all. End of. You cant even beat ppl up without prefect getting after you. You defend against bullies, you are not the bully. The most violent thing in this game is probably using a slingshot. If you were the bully and was a violent game I would have a problem with it. Bullying is a serious issue and if a game was promoting it I would want this game banned. If anything this game is anti bullies as you are defending against bullies so no this game should definitely never be banned. The ppl who protest this game dont even know anything about it. They just assume from the name of the game its going to be violent and promoting bullying. Its the name of the game ppl have a problem with. Well the names changed to canis canem edit in europe so it shouldn't be an issue any more.

illuminati30
21-09-06, 19:02
Yeah, that's the real issue! Besides, actual bullying is a problem, not a videogame that has it as a theme... kids who are being bullied have a real problem which shouldn't be exacerbated by videogame bullying... Actually it could be a good thing for kids that are being bullied, as I'm sure the game allows you to overcome it. Videogames are often therapuetic that way.

Actual bullying is a problem, and i am sure kids do see violence in the playground. However, we are supposed to move away from such events occuring so that bullying is not a reality. I just see this as glorifying it. It more or less is saying that if this kid wants to get on at school, he must fight and learn to make bombs in chemistry. Someone being bullied might not be in a good mental state, and may well think 'well this is how this kid is getting through school, maybe i need to be more like that' rather than find some other solution.

Also, it makes all the teachers bullies and perverts. I am sure this will go down well with all the teachers of the land :rolleyes: I really would love to know who at Rockstar thought this one up, who they thought it would help, and who the game was aimed at!

interstellardave
21-09-06, 19:12
I don't know all the content in the game, but it should not be banned, regardless. Responsibility starts at home, and with the retailer. Government interference should always be most unwelcome in the marketplace.

If movies aren't banned then neither should games be banned. Movies can have any content in them whatsoever and people don't say "this movie should be banned because it's not good for kids", instead they say "this movie shouldn't be seen by kids". Case closed, for the most part. You don't hear these kinds of debates about movies; parents either make sure their kids don't see such movies or they aren't too worried about it. Well, for games it should be the same way.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I've NEVER bought any Rockstar game myself, so I have zero personal interest in this issue.

MMAN
21-09-06, 19:29
Here's a true story:

I was at a mall going through the library of PS2 games on offer. There was nothing interesting so I was about to leave but...
I SAW A KID AND HIS DAD WAS BUYING HIM GOD OF WAR!!! :eek::yik::eek::yik:
The dad was perfectly aware of the games 18+ rating and the kid was about 9! That's irresponsibility!

Please don't tell me you think every parent should agree with you; ratings are just "recommendations", not law (when it comes to who plays them after they are bought). If a parent decides that then it's their choice and calling them "irresponsible" is as narrow-minded as wanting to ban all violent games (ESPECIALLY as the evidence for negative effects is so flimsy).

ace_85
21-09-06, 19:37
I don't know all the content in the game, but it should not be banned, regardless. Responsibility starts at home, and with the retailer. Government interference should always be most unwelcome in the marketplace.

If movies aren't banned then neither should games be banned. Movies can have any content in them whatsoever and people don't say "this movie should be banned because it's not good for kids", instead they say "this movie shouldn't be seen by kids". Case closed, for the most part. You don't hear these kinds of debates about movies; parents either make sure their kids don't see such movies or they aren't too worried about it. Well, for games it should be the same way.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I've NEVER bought any Rockstar game myself, so I have zero personal interest in this issue.
My thoughts exactly, Dave. Gaming, for some unknown reason, is still struggling to break out of this constraining view of primarily being entertainment 'for kids'. This is clearly a way outdated paradigm nowadays, and developers have every right to provide more mature content to satisfy the broader spectrum of gamers. The emphasis should be on tightening up access to these types of games by minors, not restricting the original material. Eventually, as with movies, the general public will wise up to the concept that there are games players of all ages, not all of whom want to play 'Happy Fluffy Bunny's Rainbow World 3' or some other nonsense, but it will of course take time. In the meanwhile, we will have to endure more moral outcries in articles like this... *sigh*

Tombreaper
21-09-06, 19:48
Please don't tell me you think every parent should agree with you; ratings are just "recommendations", not law (when it comes to who plays them after they are bought). If a parent decides that then it's their choice and calling them "irresponsible" is as narrow-minded as wanting to ban all violent games (ESPECIALLY as the evidence for negative effects is so flimsy).

There are games really not suited for 8-9 year old children. God of War for example contains scenery not suited for young children.
Most ratings are indeed recommendations, but if daddy decides to buy a game rated 18 for little son, then he might probably buy a 18 rated DVD for his little son too.

MMAN
21-09-06, 20:25
Then he might probably buy a 18 rated DVD for his little son too.

And?

It's not illegal, nor should it be, since any links to violence that have currently been found are tenuous or biased at best. A parent does not deserve to be demonised and insulted for such a decision.

Not that there AREN'T parents who buy high-rated stuff in total ignorance, but tarring everyone who does that with the same brush just sucks

VonCroy360
21-09-06, 20:26
And btw, I'm 15 and I played some 18+ and 16+ games, as well as I watched numerous horror movies; well you don't see me murdering, torturing or bullying anyone, I'm smart enough to know that this is just fiction... Those ratings really are too harsh, I mean, maybe a child aged 7 wouldn't realised it as pure fiction, but making it 18+ is an insult to all teenagers...
:)

illuminati30
21-09-06, 21:20
Please don't tell me you think every parent should agree with you; ratings are just "recommendations", not law (when it comes to who plays them after they are bought). If a parent decides that then it's their choice and calling them "irresponsible" is as narrow-minded as wanting to ban all violent games (ESPECIALLY as the evidence for negative effects is so flimsy).

You do have a point here, and i was perhaps a little harsh before, but this is a difficult subject. I remember being 16 and thinking, hmmmm i can get married in this country, have my own place, and have a job, yet i can not watch certain films or play certain games or go to a night club. Now that was insulting. I felt quite grown up by the age of 16, and did not feel much different by the age of 18.

However, when people say kids, what do they mean? This could be from as young as 3 years old to 17 years old, and there is a big difference here. Plus all kids are different. Sometimes it can take kids longer than others to distinguish what is reality and what is not, and some very young children can not tell this.