View Full Version : Will we ever see an M rated TR?
Moon-Safari
30-09-06, 04:10
with the next gen approaching, gaming is becoming more realistic. and lets face it. violence = realistic. the absence of blood had alot of people wondering what age demographic tomb raider was being aimed at.
On one hand you have the dirty gritty tombs of the previous games where lara is shooting lions and being gnawed at by wolves. her bottle is mangled when she falls off a cliff. but now on the other hand we have this new squeeky clean cartoonish legend lara. when her body is crushed by 2 closing walls the screen fades away to black. when she shoots down a baddy theres no blood.
Do you think theyll get away with this squeeky clean direction on the PS3? its going to be a more mature audience thats dishing out 600 bucks for a system. i think theyre going to have to aim at a more mature audience.
TR is not about violence, blood and gore. If you want to see that, play Cold Fear :yik:(the game i'm playing these days... ) ir's rated 18+. Tomb Raider is totally different. It is puzzle solving in a 'cartooney' world. It will stay 12+ for ever i think. :)
Moon-Safari
30-09-06, 04:43
TR is that way now. but thats not where the series began. i understand progression is a good thing but the question I'm asking is: Is the series going in the right direction in terms of the maturity level? will tomb raider survive as a childrens game on an adults platform?
PS3 isn't the nintendo wii. theres a reason why the wii is only $250 and releasing games like spongebob and mario. its aimed for children (even though adults play it those games too). PS3 is just a more mature system. i dont think tomb raider will be able to maintain its adult audience while catering to younger gamers.
It should be terrifying...not cartoony. TR1 was so terrifying to go through because you're facing the unknown and when Tigers appear, you actually do run for your life instead of just jumping around shooting it.
How is it anymore pg-13 when they're controlling this sexy female character around for hours on end in revealing clothes. They should just cut the kiddie crap and slap an M rating on it.
thepetemaster
30-09-06, 06:01
Ditch the kiddie-pandering - and make TR for the mature crowd. (again)
I guess impaling yourself on spikes (with blood) or being set on fire or chewed up by a Trex has no place in the roots of TR? Yeah right. Bacon Lara? Haha. I made a big post on this topice in The Way Forward already, so I'll keep this one short.
Oh, and Moon, the Wii is for all people - not just kids. Same as the GC was - Res Evil exclusive anyone?
scoopy_loopy
30-09-06, 06:06
Actually all the tomb raiders in australia are M15+ minus legend which is just M.
But I do want the return of the blood, and the mangled Lara, and the scary-ness.
PirateRose
30-09-06, 06:18
I hate it when people think blood and gore equals maturity. I wouldn't mind them getting stuff similar to the older games, but realistic blood and gore, and I'm not buying it. Frankly, I don't want to see it, and I don't play video games to see it. There are plenty of popular games out there without the blood and gore that are very popular. There are many fans who play Tomb Raider aren't interested in that, and perfer an actually mature game. Games are getting over the top in the blood and gore, they are getting more then realistic. They are being made for the simple shock factor of seeing that blood and gore.
Why do people take the game rateings so seriously? Omg, its an M rateing, avoid it. Omg, its not a M rateing, so immature!
Legend is rated M because we changed the rating system in Australia and no longer have M15+ The M just means it is recommended for mature audiences, there are no restrictions on access though it is just a recommendation. Tomb Raider has always been aimed at the teenage audience and l do not see them changing direction now, although the sanitised, politically correct direction of Legend is just a bit to much, bit of blood never hurt anyone and it is nice to get the chance to observe the results of making a mistake, rather than have Lara fade to black straight away
Well, they could always have an on/off feature for the M rating and one for the PG-13 rating.
If you want blood/gore/and all that good stuff then by all mean tick off 'YES'
if you don't...and wants it clean and bloody-less...then tick off 'NO'
Shark_Blade
30-09-06, 07:42
From the look of things, no. Eidos has made tr for everyone and it looks like it won't change for a while:(
They don't need to put in 18+ content imo, but I wish they wouldn't make a game so blatantly aimed at teenagers.
There's not one real-ish character in there, they're all so young, hip and cool (or meant to be anyway). Legend reminds me of stuff like Beverly Hills 90210 and the OC.
I like fluff as much as the next person, but TR was better and more mature than this before. This is a BACKWARDS step. I don't want it changed into teenage melodrama.
They should bring back the blood and the fear and danger too. I don't want to see grotesquely gorey bits, but they need to ramp up the "real factor" somehow. Like Pete says, we're used to seeing Lara break her neck, be spiked, drowned, burned, skewered and chomped on. They need to bring these things back.
I was always frightened the first few times I played previous TRs, especially TR 1-4. I miss that the most.
Legend is a manicured version of an adventure game. No dirty nails here and nothing to chip them on... No blood, no death (fade to black), no fear, no sense of really undertaking dangerous feats.
shaahinkaaveh
30-09-06, 10:07
Well, I agree with Pete and Blackmoor generally.
Maturity is good, but I'm no fan of blood showering. Actually I was thinking about this today: Subtle differences can make things different for me. Example: I played both Soul Reaver games (SR1 and SR2). In my opinion SR2 in much lovelier: There is no dirtiness, no polluted walls, no extremely ugly enemies, etc... . Instead there are nice environments, castles, a stronghold, ... . At the same time there is blood, darkness, head cutting, strange creatures and mutants which wouldn't be suitable for kids. It is glorious IMO. On the other hand SR1 is full of dirtiness, and the same dirty textures almost everywhere. The enemies are so ugly and dirty that there is no pleasure in looking at them. I'm no fan of such things, specially in TR.
Legend was fine to me in this concept, but the fear and imagination factors were missing. They overdid here. My 5-year-old niece was able to play the game (she was only frightened of Amanda's pet :)).
We've already seen it : AOD, though that one should be rated IM , for Immature,once it featured kurtsy :D!
Seriously, I don't think so.With this new iDVD for all the family,it seems Eidos wants to state TR is not violent at all. Legend is no violent at all,its completely neutral,and I think the next games will follow the same path.
Personally,I do believe AOD was more violent than all the others,but I don't recall it it was 12+ or not.
A 18+ game would include more violence,which I think is not at all needed. Once Lara is a solitary character, no sex scenes,too,and I think those wouldn't be TR at all.
I can't speak for CD, but I would like the next TR game to preserve the rating it already has. Otherwise, it won't be the TR we 'used to know'.
thepetemaster
30-09-06, 11:11
If TR isn't about violence - why did Lara gun down over 200 mercs? The body count was the highest ever in the latest installment.
The original games were rated T for teens here. Now when it first came out we thought the teen meant 16 and up, these days it seems more like 12 and up. :rolleyes: The original did have blood, but just enough to indicate injury, little splatters when she was getting shot or spiked. No massive amounts splattered all over the screen. It was tastefully done so it wasn't too grotesque. When she burned they didn't char her body, they just showed flames engulfing her. Could you imagine the uproar if lara got bit in half by the t-rex and her legs dropped to the floor, still jerking around getting cut off from her brain??? :eek: Or lara burnt to a crisp?
Now I'd love to see TR go M, but, that would cut into the market TR could be sold to. Eidos doesn't want to sell TR to half the people they usually do, so I don't see them ramping up the adult content any time soon. :( I don't need gore per say, but it would be nice if they at least brought back her death scenes. Just to show the consequences of a bad move or strategy. It would make the player more cautious in their actions instead of just whipping thru the game. Do it like the original games did. Show lara contorted on the spikes or crunched on the ground after being beaten by a monster, just don't show all the blood and guts. the tell tale drip of blood was enough to indicate she bit the big one... :mis:
I really don't need to see TR start showing realistic blood splatter or the ground getting soaked up as you see in some M games. I would like to see fallen bodies not disappear. I find this so distracting and fake. Leave the bodies where they lay.
xMiSsCrOfTx
30-09-06, 13:01
I highly doubt they'd ever make an M rated TR game. I think they're going to continue aiming it towards the original age group (teens), if they made the rating any higher, they'd lose some players and possibly fans.
I think they're going to continue aiming it towards the original age group (teens)... Was the original target audience purely teens?? :confused:
I didn't think it was. From the product itself I would have guessed they were going for a much wider age range... maybe 15 to early 30's. Hence Lara being a maturer person (29 years old) instead of the typical 19 - 24 age range that you get with nearly all media targeted at teens.
Its not that the original games targeted teens, but teens were the starting target. Basically, teens and up. Now, TR includes grade school level, just about.
IMO, Eidos is taking a risk here. Not everyone is going to like a game, so trying to appeal to everyone is risky business. Yes, Legend is a huge success and all, but all of the original fan base bought it hoping and praying that it was what they were hoping for. Legend was obviously not to the liking of the original fan base, so do you think they will continue to buy TR if the trend toward appealing to children continues? Get real, Eidos. You will loose your original fan base if you don't return to a more mature level. Kids now days are extremely game-savvy anyway and most kids can certainly play a more challenging TR. Soap opera story-lines is not the focus of TR. High adventure, thrills and scares and wondrous environments that are explorable is your ultimate meal-ticked, Eidos. CD gave us great graphics, a glitch-free game and free movement of Lara. Now put her into a tomb raiding experience that returns us to the real roots of Tomb Raider.
Not asking for a return to the grid, or to impossibly difficult jumps, or the need for a walkthrough to complete the game. Just bring back the thrill to this game.
i can see it happening. when she used to get impailed by the spikes in tr1 that would always freak the :cen: out of me lol.
You want thrill? Play Defcon. I don't see TR garnering an M rating anytime soon, but that fade to black should leave. We enjoykilling Lara. Besides, lots of people are going to be buying PS3s, young adults, teens, the parents of spoiled little kids who play nothing but GTA and Postal 2 all day. I personally only have a couple of M games, but the blood in 1-AoD was pretty satisfying. I am not a "gore-person," but I liked the sphere of blood that came out of Lara when she got killed by pirhanas.
Ward Dragon
01-10-06, 01:18
I do tend to like gore in games. I don't think of the TR series as gory, though. I would like to see the level of violence and blood and such from the first six games return, but not too much more than that. I'm almost afraid that if TR gains enough blood to warrant an M rating (which I would probably enjoy), then they'd figure "What the hell, we already got the M rating, may as well go all the way" and throw in sexual content too (which would make me sick to see Lara like that). So no, even though I like violent games, I do not want TR to warrant an M rating simply because I don't trust them to do it right. (Note--M means 17 and up where I am)
I do tend to like gore in games. I don't think of the TR series as gory, though. I would like to see the level of violence and blood and such from the first six games return, but not too much more than that. I'm almost afraid that if TR gains enough blood to warrant an M rating (which I would probably enjoy), then they'd figure "What the hell, we already got the M rating, may as well go all the way" and throw in sexual content too (which would make me sick to see Lara like that). So no, even though I like violent games, I do not want TR to warrant an M rating simply because I don't trust them to do it right. (Note--M means 17 and up where I am)
I don't care.
If they slap an M rating on it, they should go all the way and include a very luscious scene of Lara Croft with as much sexual appeals as ever. I want more outrageous Lara Croft outfit.
knightgames
01-10-06, 05:21
Well, they could always have an on/off feature for the M rating and one for the PG-13 rating.
If you want blood/gore/and all that good stuff then by all mean tick off 'YES'
if you don't...and wants it clean and bloody-less...then tick off 'NO'
We already have the blood option in the game.
If you don't want or don't find the need for realistic blood, you BUY the game. If you absolutely need to have a blood bath then you don't buy the game.
See you still have a choice. (Said partially with tongue in cheek) :tea:
How can I turn on blood? Or is this not in Legend? Classics have default blood.
There is no blood in legend. And there has never been an option to turn it on or off, and probably will not ever be an option in tomb raider games
da tomb raider!
01-10-06, 16:23
I seriously doubt Tomb Raider will ever be rated 18+. Although I'm not saying this in a bad way, but Tomb Raider never was realistic. Mutants, dinosaurs, dragons, millions of traps at the Great Wall of China... Although years ago Tomb Raider games were rated 15+, until they seemed to be re-rated to 12+, which is much more sensible, if you ask me.
StarCroft:AOD
01-10-06, 17:05
Since TR is going forward in terms of graphic realism, It's unavoidable that later, they develop the blood, death escenes etc, even more realistic, unless they are like when the blade "cut" Legend Lara in the first interactive cutescene in Bolivia; It doesn't show anything. :(
da tomb raider!
01-10-06, 18:27
Since TR is going forward in terms of graphic realism, It's unavoidable that later, they develop the blood, death escenes etc, even more realistic, unless they are like when the blade "cut" Legend Lara in the first interactive cutescene in Bolivia; It doesn't show anything. :(
Or when she drowns, fall to her death, gets killed...
knightgames
02-10-06, 01:44
How can I turn on blood? Or is this not in Legend? Classics have default blood.
Sorry for the confusion, fomatk. I was being sarcastic concerning the use of blood in TR games.
I can understand the need for some sense of reality when Lara falls on spikes et al.... but I DON'T see the necessity to be unnecessarily realistic.
Lara falls and gets punctured. Do we need to see rivers blood flowing from her wounds? It's a bit too much realism for my gaming pleasure. It doesn't add anything... and even more important.... not having gratuitous amounts of blood takes nothing away from the enjoyment of playing the game.
If I really feel the need for blood in a game I'll play a genre that HAS a lot of blood in the game.
But all of the TR'S so far are all (M)
hmm.. every other tomb raidewr game i've played here has had the age rating k16 wich means not suitable for under 16 year of age.. and thpse classics, even aod have been great! but Legend was k11 here.. so.. it was a bit dull.. not tomb raidery at all. wel apart from the tombs. But still it just didnt feel like a tomb raider game..
It doesn't need to become a splatter movie but some small splashes of blood from gunshots etc like in the earlier games would be nice (the current gunfighting lacks impact due to there being just sparks when you hit something). Plus more interesting death animations (even when you got impaled in Legend the death seemed to be a normal one, at least drowning was done decently :) ).
Plus they should bring back some of the completely non-visual violence, like the loud crack when you died from a long fall, and the nasty impalement sounds in the first couple of games.
Yes, I like it when the main character can die horribly for your failings, rather than just flopping down :) .
in the uk, tomb raider 1,2 and 3 have all been rated 15
4 and 5 are rated 11+
6 and 7 are 12+
i wouldnt be suprised if tomb raider remake is a 15+ (or 16+ now) coz it will be similar to thie first one (which is a 15)
I wouldnt mind abit of blood (just for coolness and special effects), but i wouldn't want it to become an 18!!!! ......... EVER
I miss the animated death sequences like Natla's giant mutant beating her on the ground then tossing her aside, or the way the T-Rex would eat her.
IMO an M rating would be against the spirit of TR. It's not supposed to be a gorefest.
well, the originals did have a bit of blood when you shot the enemies, and lara did die in some horrible ways: empaled into spikes or glass, crushed by slaming doors, chewed by t-rex, burned in fire and lava rivers, drowned, flat ont the floor from a high ledge, squashed by giant mutants, rolled over by giant balls, crushed by the horns of a minotaur, electrocuted, poisoned by snakes and canibals with darts, eaten by crocodiles, smashed into walls while driving snowmobiles, boats and jeeps... and all deaths had some tipical sound, and laraīs final coment (AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! -> squash! or OOOHHH ->burned).
So I guess itīs not gore we want, just that little touch of agony there used to be when someone died :mis:
dragoness_crysta
06-10-06, 09:00
Blood and guts out isnt the main idea of Tomb Raider...
Besides the whole fun remains in exploring Tombs..if the bad guys want to mess with Lara we have those beautiful phrases "Well...it's a tomb...I'll make them feel at home" (awesome)....Dont need blood and brains explode to rate it as mature...
IMO an M rating would be against the spirit of TR. It's not supposed to be a gorefest.
Blood and guts out isnt the main idea of Tomb Raider...
It doesn't need to become a splatter movie
Eh.
The Tomb Raider in the past has unequivocally earned an M rating in today's ESRB rating system, although in the past they were rated T for lack of mature sexual themes, gore, and language. Ten years ago, our ratings were very lenient. Only explicitly bloody games like Mortal Kombat or Resident Evil hit that M benchmark. But seriously, what's Teen-rated about a sexually attractive woman holding dual pistols and being subject to traps and onslaughts of zombies, soldiers, mutants, etc.? No doubt Crystal Dynamics realized that they had to curb the game in order to meet Jack Thompson's Unofficial Teen Rating Standards. Guys, lift the shroud that M rating = blood, guts, gore and nudity. Tomb Raider Legend was VERY plain. As far as I know, only one or two people died in it (if they died at all) and they were Takamoto (sp?) and James Rutland. (The mercenaries and the jaguars don't count because they never drew blood. They obviously just fell unconscious and were beamed back to base by Amanda's magic teleporter.) In fact, Rutland had thousands and thousands of bullets pumped into him and he still didn't die. Tomb Raider is cartoony? Yeah, right. Play the series over again. The only thing that can be mildly cartoony in the series is TR5.
Let's face it, if we want Tomb Raider, we have to break down the largest, thickest, most resilient wall in computer design. And that's the wall dividing the Teen rating and the Mature rating.
And do you really think an "M" on the box is going to stop a few 13-year-old yahoos from cranking out the game from their local Circuit City?
Moon-Safari
25-10-06, 04:15
there should be a rating in between Teen and Mature. the gap is waaaaay to big. theres no reason someone cant make a reasonably mature game that isnt that bad and not get an M rating.
Ward Dragon
25-10-06, 15:18
Eh.
The Tomb Raider in the past has unequivocally earned an M rating in today's ESRB rating system, although in the past they were rated T for lack of mature sexual themes, gore, and language. Ten years ago, our ratings were very lenient. Only explicitly bloody games like Mortal Kombat or Resident Evil hit that M benchmark.
*shrugs* AOD got a T rating, and that was only 3 years ago. I definitely consider AOD to be more mature than Legend in terms of content, so there's no reason why future games can't be more mature without earning the M rating. Also, many of the games with the T rating have blood in them, so future TR games can have some blood and not automatically be considered M.
there should be a rating in between Teen and Mature. the gap is waaaaay to big. theres no reason someone cant make a reasonably mature game that isnt that bad and not get an M rating.
True. I think I posted recently that T was 17+ and M was 18+, but if I did I was mistaken (I just looked it up and T is 13+ while M is 17+). I thought that there was some intermediate rating for 15+ but apparently there is not. It's all arbitrary anyway, but there probably should be a 15+ rating because some material might be mature in terms of being sophisticated and deep but not containing the excess sexual or violent material that would earn it an M rating. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm surprised that the TR games (including Legend) got only a T rating. I would think that the earlier games are definitely not cartoony (as was already mentioned), and Legend had some more...revealing outfits that might not be appropriate for 13-year olds.
Bullethail
25-10-06, 15:20
No thanks!
somehow lara has lose some of the terrible death she arrive with,.. like when a trex bite you,.. it shakes you like a pollaroid pic till the screens fade out,.. or when the crazy eyes mutant from atlantis,.. it got you by one leg,.. and he won stop until he brakes every single bone of yours... something like bryam on tekken 5,... i really was impressed by those scenes,.. and now she just fall down and fade out,.. but,.. as someone elses said before,.. including tons of blood like in mk wont help,.. it will make it more cartoony like,.. not a nice idea,.. and,..- who ever mention blood = maturity is complettely mistaken,... in fact the people who goes for blood in games,. are not really grown up guys,.. are more like teens who goes for the forbidden instead of grown up looking for some thrill,... althou there are somegames like silent hill or resident evil that combine both really nicelly,...
Terminatorvs
25-10-06, 19:03
Think what'll change if CDs raise the rating from T to M. Nothing. Even if the game is blood-sick, with f-words on every corner, a lot of face-kicking, sexual content and horror all over the place, the younger gamers will still play it. And you can't forbid them to, if they really-really want to play. The only difference is that they'll do it while no one is watching.
da tomb raider!
25-10-06, 19:08
Well, seeing Legend didn't have any blood in it (We wouldn't want to expose bucket loads of blood to little Tommy here, now, would we? ;) ), I doubt Legend will ever get a big, fat, nasty "M" on the front cover of it. Crystal Dynamics proberbly won't include even the tiniest amount of blood in it. They'll proberbly just keep making tonnes of extra tiny bikinis until...
Oh, look, and "M" on the front cover of the new TR game...
No thanks!
Read my post, please.
who ever mention blood = maturity is complettely mistaken
Precisely.
How is the Tomb Raider series not M-rated already? Like I said, Crystal Dynamics needs to play some of the older games. Get the entire staff on the project to do it, or we'll never get anywhere.
Ward Dragon
25-10-06, 20:29
They'll proberbly just keep making tonnes of extra tiny bikinis until...
Oh, look, and "M" on the front cover of the new TR game...
That's what I'm afraid of :rolleyes: I don't mind an M rating if it's due to complex and thought-provoking storylines/concepts, or if it's due to a lot of blood (although gratuitous gore doesn't really fit in TR). I am afraid, however, that if Crystal gets an M-rating for TR games in the future the games will contain excessive sexual material that I'd rather not see in association with Lara.
Moon-Safari
25-10-06, 20:37
i think there would be so much integrity in an M rated game with a sexy female main character, that didnt exploit her. i would LOVE to see that. because right now, it feels like the only thing stopping lara from taking off all her clothes is a rating. Giving lara the choice to do it and having her stay fully clothed throughout the game would win so many more female gamers hearts than the cheap tricks cd pulled in legend like playing dress up.
Ward Dragon
25-10-06, 20:44
i think there would be so much integrity in an M rated game with a sexy female main character, that didnt exploit her. i would LOVE to see that. because right now, it feels like the only thing stopping lara from taking off all her clothes is a rating. Giving lara the choice to do it and having her stay fully clothed throughout the game would win so many more female gamers hearts than the cheap tricks cd pulled in legend like playing dress up.
:tmb: It's especially true in the case of Lara because (at least in my opinion) she had some class in the classic games (sure she wore whatever she felt was comfortable in her own home and while raiding tombs, but she did dress very elegantly for the opera in TR5 and not once in any of the classics did she ever use her body or appearance to achieve her objectives). I don't expect for every game I play to have classy female characters, and it usually doesn't bother me too much if the game doesn't, but in the case of Lara I expect at least some level of dignity and self-respect from her.
StarCroft:AOD
25-10-06, 20:53
I don't think CD had plans for making the deaths animations realistic, wich in TR:L are too mild. :(
Anyways, TR is not Silent Hill. ;)
Catlantean
25-10-06, 20:53
I wouldn't mind TR being rated M, for as long as that rating meant a more serious, mature game rather than extra gore and sexuality. BloodRayne's doing it already :D But I don't think it will happen, as young teens are the primary market for TR so the game has to stay clean and cheerful.
Winston_the_butler
26-10-06, 23:32
Making TR M rated would be selfish! I grew up from a young age watching TR until I was old enough to delve into the tombs on my own, and without a below M rating, my parents would not have let me play or even watch. We unlike most american families value the ESRB's rating system. Adults wanting Lara all for themselves in my opinion is quite rude. TR should be enjoyed by (almost)all! Besides, i just find blood and gore disgusting. it doesn't add to the experiance for me at all. I agree I enjoyed seeing AoD lara bend five ways from Sunday, but the gore isn't nessesary.
Besides, i just find blood and gore disgusting.
First, to return to the old Tomb Raider series, we must agree to the M rating. It's impossible to make an old game, otherwise, because the ESRB difference between T and M has changed.
Second, M rating does not equal blood and guts. See Catlantean's post.
I'm tired of hearing "oh but making it M is blood and gore and I hate blood and gore" over and over again. There are games that do not have blood and gore and are still rated M.
I used to be extremely against TR getting an M rating but if it means getting to see the death scenes again and just a little blood then I'd be ok with it. As long as it's not all sexed up and her boobs aren't hanging out then I'm good.
Winston_the_butler
27-10-06, 00:07
First, to return to the old Tomb Raider series, we must agree to the M rating. It's impossible to make an old game, otherwise, because the ESRB difference between T and M has changed.
Second, M rating does not equal blood and guts. See Catlantean's post.
I'm tired of hearing "oh but making it M is blood and gore and I hate blood and gore" over and over again. There are games that do not have blood and gore and are still rated M.
The focus of my point was that young gamers with stricter parents are helpless if rated M. I dont mind cursing in moderation, mild blood and gore, or somewhat skimpy outfits, it is just that when the ESRB picks M. They mean it. It's gotta be pretty bad at that point.
Plus, many stores won't even sell minors M games!
EDIT: Most stores.
Many stores is correct. ;)
Then ask (beg) your parents to get the game for you. If your parents are generous, like mine, they'll do so. If not, you could always find friends...
cococomics_pres
27-10-06, 01:56
Doesn't CD remember (or did they see at all) the threads about deathpics from TRAOD?! That's something TR fans WANT in a game, or at least it seems that way! Bring back some blood and take out the fade-outs. Btw Angel666 I love your avatar.
Winston_the_butler
27-10-06, 02:45
I don't force my parents into immoral decisions or work past them thru my friends. I shouldn't have to to play the game I love.
That's the trouble. When it comes to gaming, conscientious parents prefer to read the labels rather than pull the game out themselves and play it. The ESRB really needs to be just dumped in general; it's an absolute joke.
Winston_the_butler
27-10-06, 03:13
I beg to differ. While today's generation is broadly de-sensitized to violence and sexual themes, that doesn't make it right. Games are occationaly blamed for societies problems, if people abided by the labels people would have less to complain about. I have faith in the ESRB
I played a bunch of so called sick games with my kids, they were already teens. Mortal combat, twisted metal, resident evil, GTA3, They weren't as bad as some of these watch dog groups make em out to be. Big deal, little spurts of red. The sickest thing was the kitana in GTA, you slash at a victim and all of a sudden the perfect swing and 'POOF!' The head is gone and the stump of a neck spurts a little. It's almost cartoonish.
Teens already know right from wrong, I find it stupid that people blame a game for their actions, it's just an excuse, not the real reason someone became violent. Games give you a healthy release to get out your violent tendencies, not egg them on. For several years now a kid will steal a car and claim GTA made him do it! What BS, their just looking for an excuse to blame it on because they got caught doing wrong. They knew they were doing something wrong. GTA didn't invent stealing cars, it just made a game out of it.
Terminatorvs
27-10-06, 07:57
I don't see any bad things in the game if it's M rated. I played "MK" when I was 8. And I didn't become a serial killer. So there's blood, so what? It's not real. It's just some red pixels on the scren, nothing more. Besides, I learnt to do one good from "MK" at the age of 8 - hopping up from the ground, whyle lying on the back just like Sub-zero, Liu-Kang, etc.
P. S. The dialogue between me and my father, whyle I was playing "Vampires: The Masquarade - Bloodlines":
- So, what will this game teach you? [Looks at how my character whacks the enemies with a sledgehammer]
- That good always prevails against evil.
I don't see any bad things in the game if it's M rated. I played "MK" when I was 8. And I didn't become a serial killer. So there's blood, so what? It's not real. It's just some red pixels on the scren, nothing more. Besides, I learnt to do one good from "MK" at the age of 8 - hopping up from the ground, whyle lying on the back just like Sub-zero, Liu-Kang, etc.
I grew up playing games like MK. Those were the days... Sub-Zero's finishing move... I think I was 4 or maybe 5?
P. S. The dialogue between me and my father, whyle I was playing "Vampires: The Masquarade - Bloodlines":
- So, what will this game teach you? [Looks at how my character whacks the enemies with a sledgehammer]
- That good always prevails against evil.
:vlol:
Bullethail
27-10-06, 16:11
Most of the players are teens. It would ruin it completely! Besides, is an "M" rating necessary? No.
I mostly find excess gore and profanity to be gratuitous to the game so I would prefer CD to focus on improving the atmosphere of the games rather than adding non-essential animations.
Bullethail
27-10-06, 17:01
I agree.
Trust In Trent
27-10-06, 18:43
I think M rated is a no go on Tomb Raider. Unfortunately it's marketed as a kids game, and it's good. I mean it's not too bad a game like it is already but I really hope that they knock it up to 17+ so we can have a little more depth and possibly gore in it. It would great with the dinosaurs so you can watch them tear into Lara :ton: :jmp:
Naw, Tomb Raider isn't that type of game, it's mostly adventure and puzzle solving other then voilence, sexual content, or language.
T is good.
Laras Backpack
27-10-06, 19:41
I mostly find excess gore and profanity to be gratuitous to the game so I would prefer CD to focus on improving the atmosphere of the games rather than adding non-essential animations.
I agree. I don't think an M rating would add anything positive to the game or enhance what it already has. It would be, as you say, gratuitous.
Moon-Safari
27-10-06, 19:44
not all blood is gratuitous. in fact i would hope for a minimalistic approach. when theres too much blood it loses its affect on the audience. a realistic ammount is enough. blood doesnt have to squirt from every bullet hole.
If not an M, then at least don't stick Tomb Raider Legend at the "bottom" of the T scale, but at the "top" of it. I could use slightly more maturity and realistic violence. Now that Eidos is going on with TR Anniversary Edition, if I see black outs from throwing Lara off high ledges, guess what's going to be my new firewood this winter...
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