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Joseph
16-10-06, 20:59
This thread is about the installation of Vista and related issues.
Below, you'll find:

How much will Vista cost? (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1294930&postcount=2)
Vista System requirements (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1294961&postcount=3)
How to install Windows Vista (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1294977&postcount=4)
Your graphic card's drivers (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1295016&postcount=5)
Creative Soundcard drivers (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1295021&postcount=6)
How to uninstall Vista RC 1 / RC2/ RTM (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1295022&postcount=7)
Remarkable new things in Vista (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1295134&postcount=8)
Windows Mail is the successor to Outlook Express (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1295147&postcount=9)______________________________________ __________________________

Windows Vista. What is it? (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/default.mspx)

The Features. (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx)

What is a Windows Vista Capable PC?

A new PC that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences such as innovations in organizing and finding information, security, and reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. Some features available in the premium editions of Windows Vista—like the new Windows Aero (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/default.mspx) user experience—may require advanced or additional hardware.

A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:

A modern processor (at least 800MHz1 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capablefootnotes.mspx)).
512 MB of system memory.
A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.Windows Vista Premium Ready PCs
To get an even better Windows Vista experience, including the Windows Aero user experience, ask for a Windows Vista Capable PC that is designated Premium Ready, or choose a PC that meets or exceeds the Premium Ready requirements described below. Features available in specific premium editions of Windows Vista, such as the ability to watch and record live TV, may require additional hardware (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/hardwarereqs.mspx).


A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least:

1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capablefootnotes.mspx).
1 GB of system memory.
Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver, 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)2 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capablefootnotes.mspx), Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel.
40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
DVD-ROM Drive3 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capablefootnotes.mspx).
Audio output capability.
Internet access capability.footnotes

Processor speed is specified as the nominal operational processor frequency for the device. Some processors have power management which allows the processor to run at lower rate to save power.
If the GPU uses shared memory, then no additional graphics memory is required beyond the 1 GB system memory requirement; If the GPU uses dedicated memory then 128MB is required.
A DVD-ROM may be external (not integral, not built into the system).Windows Aero

Windows Vista is the first Windows operating system that has a user experience that can gracefully scale to the hardware capabilities of the computer it is installed on. All computers that meet minimal hardware requirements will see the Windows Vista Basic user experience, which provides the benefits of the refined interface features already mentioned.
http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsvista/images/features/feat_UX_05.jpg
Windows Vista Aero provides spectacular visual effects such as glass-like interface elements that you can see through.
Windows Aero is an environment with an additional level of visual sophistication, one that is even more responsive and manageable, providing a further level of clarity and confidence to Windows users.



Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC
Want to see if your Windows XP-based PC can run Windows Vista? Just download, install, and run the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC.
This small software tool will scan your computer and create an easy-to-understand report of all known system, device, and program compatibility issues, and recommend ways to resolve them. Upgrade Advisor can also help you choose the edition of Windows Vista that best fits the way you want to use your computer.

Note: This software isn’t final, so the results you get may not be 100% accurate. Make sure you run Upgrade Advisor again in a few months for a more accurate assessment and to get the latest up-to-date information about whether your system is ready for an upgrade.

Before you begin

Before you run the Upgrade Advisor, be sure to plug in any USB or other attachable peripheral devices (such as printers, external hard drives, or scanners) that are regularly used with the PC that you're evaluating.

Download http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsvista/images/features/vista_arrow.gifWindows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC (http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=65926&clcid=0x409)
Additional information



The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor works with 32-bit versions of Windows XP and Windows Vista. It will not work with Windows 98, Windows 2000, or Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.
Here are answers to some common questions (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeadvisor/faq.mspx) about the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC.
The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor RC does not collect or send any personal, identifiable data to Microsoft Corporation or third parties. See the Upgrade Advisor privacy statement for details (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeadvisor/privacy.mspx).

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:00
Windows Vista Home Basic
Suggested retail price for full package product, $199.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $99.95 USD.
Windows Vista Home Basic is the operating system for homes with basic computing needs. It is easy to set up, it helps you use your PC more securely and reliably, and like all of the editions of Windows Vista, it is compatible with the widest range of software, devices, and services that you use and trust. If you simply want to use your PC for tasks such as surfing the Internet, corresponding with friends and family using e-mail, or performing basic document creation and editing tasks, then Windows Vista Home Basic will deliver a safer, more reliable, and more productive computing environment.

Windows Vista Home Premium.
Suggested retail price for full package product, $239.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $159.00 USD.
That is the one i will buy. :cool:
Windows Vista Home Premium is the operating system for homes with advanced computer needs. It will help you use your laptop or desktop PC more effectively as well as enable you to enjoy new, exciting digital entertainment experiences—all with the benefit of added security and reliability.

Windows Vista Ultimate
Suggested retail price for full package product, $399.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $259.00 USD.
Windows Vista Ultimate is the most comprehensive edition of Windows Vista. It is the first operating system that combines all of the advanced infrastructure features of a business-focused operating system, all of the management and efficiency features of a mobility-focused operating system, and all of the digital entertainment features of a consumer-focused operating system. For the person who wants one operating system that is great for working from home, working on the road, and for entertainment, Windows Vista Ultimate is the operating system that lets you have it all.

Windows Vista Business
Suggested retail price for full package product, $299.00 USD. Suggested upgrade retail price, $199.00 USD.
The Windows Vista Business operating system is designed to meet the needs of business organizations of all sizes. For small businesses, Windows Vista Business will help keep PCs running smoothly and more securely so you will be less reliant on dedicated IT support. For larger organizations, Windows Vista Business provides dramatic new infrastructure improvements, enabling your IT staff to spend less time focused on the day-to-day maintenance of PCs and more time adding strategic value to your organization. Windows Vista Business also offers powerful new ways to organize, find, and share information while staying better connected whether you are in the office or on the road. This helps your business to run more efficiently than ever before.

Windows Vista Enterprise
To better address the needs of large, global organizations and those with highly complex IT infrastructures, Microsoft will introduce a new version of Windows—Windows Vista Enterprise—designed to significantly lower IT costs and risk. In addition to all of the features available in Windows Vista Business (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/business.mspx), Windows Vista Enterprise is designed to provide higher levels of data protection using hardware-based encryption technology. It also includes tools to improve application compatibility and enables organizations to standardize by using a single worldwide deployment image. Windows Vista Enterprise will only be available to customers who have PCs covered by Microsoft Software Assurance or a Microsoft Enterprise Agreement.
The Windows Vista Enterprise edition is only available to Microsoft Volume License customers, it is not available for retail purchase.You can uninstall Vista completely because you have installed it on a seperate partition.

Source: Microsoft (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx)

If you are currently using XP now, you would buy an upgrade of course.

The price for Home Basic version is the same as for XP Home when it launched.

Microsoft has planned to put all versions of Vista-files onto 1 dvd, so they have to bake only one DVD. You would buy the license which then only works for the version you payed for. The versions will have different colours:

Home Basic - Light Green
Home Premium - Dark Green
Vista Business - Blue
Vista Ultimate - Platinum

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:08
System requirements for Windows Vista

Recommended minimum hardware requirements for Windows Vista

The following list describes the recommended minimum hardware requirements for basic functionality of the different editions of Windows Vista. Actual hardware requirements will vary, depending on system configuration and on the programs and the features that you install. If you install Windows Vista over a network, additional hard disk space may be required.

Microsoft Vista Home Basic

800-megahertz (MHz) 32-bit (x86) processor or 800-MHz 64-bit (x64) processor
512 megabytes (MB) of system memory
DirectX 9-class graphics card
32 MB of graphics memory
20-gigabyte (GB) hard disk that has 15 GB of free hard disk space
Internal or external DVD drive
Internet access capability
Audio output capabilityMicrosoft Vista Home Premium, Microsoft Vista Business, Microsoft Vista Enterprise, and Microsoft Vista Ultimate

1-gigahertz (GHz) 32-bit (x86) processor or 1-GHz 64-bit (x64) processor
1 GB of system memory
Windows Aero-capable graphics card
128 MB of graphics memory
40-GB hard disk that has 15 GB of free hard disk space (the 15GB of free space provides room for temporary file storage during the install or upgrade.)
Internal or external DVD drive
Internet access capability
Audio output capabilityNote A Windows Aero-capable graphics card is a graphics card that meets the following requirements:

Supports a Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) driver
Has a DirectX 9-class graphics processor unit (GPU) that supports Pixel Shader 2.0
Supports 32 bits per pixel
Passes the Windows Aero acceptance test in the Windows Driver Kit (WDK)For more information about the different editions of Windows Vista, visit the following Microsoft Web site: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx)Operating system requirements to upgrade to Windows Vista

The operating system requirements to upgrade to Windows Vista Beta 2 are listed as follows.

The operating system requirements apply only to Windows Vista Beta 2 and do not apply to other versions of Windows Vista.
The operating system requirements are based on retail licenses of Windows Vista.

•Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic and Windows Vista Home Basic N

You can upgrade to Windows Vista Home Basic and to Windows Vista Home Basic N from the following operating systems:

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack 2 (SP2)
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition N with SP2
Microsoft Windows Vista Home PremiumYou can upgrade to Windows Vista Home Premium from the following operating systems:

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition N with SP2
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic N
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition with SP2

Microsoft Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Business N
You can upgrade to Windows Vista Business and to Windows Vista Business N from the following operating systems:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition N with SP2
Microsoft Windows Vista EnterpriseUpgrades to Windows Vista Enterprise are not offered by using retail licenses.

•Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate

You can upgrade to Windows Vista Ultimate from the following operating systems:

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition N with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition N with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows XP Tablet Edition with SP2
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic N
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Microsoft Windows Vista Business
Microsoft Windows Vista Business N
Microsoft Windows Vista EnterpriseOperating systems from which an upgrade to Windows Vista Beta 2 is not supported

You cannot upgrade to Windows Vista from the following operating systems:

Microsoft Windows XP Starter Edition
Microsoft Windows 2000
Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows 95
Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11
Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.1Windows Vista Capable PCs
A new computer that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences, such as innovations in information retrieval and organization, in security, and in reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs provide these core experiences at a minimum. Some features that are available in the premium editions of Windows Vista, such as the new Windows Aero user experience, may require additional hardware.

A key component of the Windows Vista Capable PC program is the Express Upgrade to Windows Vista™ Promotion, formerly referred to as the Windows Vista Capable PC Launch Upgrade Promotion. This program is designed to maintain momentum of PC sales during the Holiday 2006 selling season and provide the opportunity to promote premium PC systems with higher revenue and margin. Specific details on this program will be published as soon as available.

A Windows Vista Capable PC includes the following:

An 800-MHz or faster processor
512 MB of system memory
A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capableWindows Vista Premium Ready PCs

To experience a Windows Vista system that includes the Windows Aero user experience, ask for a Windows Vista Capable PC that is designated "Premium Ready." Or, select a computer that meets or exceeds the Premium Ready requirements that are described in the following list. Features that are available in specific premium editions of Windows Vista, such as the ability to watch and to record live TV, may require the following additional hardware:

A 1-GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor
1 GB of system memory
Support for DirectX 9 graphics that use a WDDM driver, a minium of 128 MB of graphics memory, Pixel Shader 2.0, and 32 bits per pixel
A 40-GB hard disk that has 15 GB of free space
A DVD drive
Audio output capability
Internet access capabilityWindows Vista minimum supported system requirements

Processor 800-MHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor*
System memory 512 MB
GPU SVGA (800x600)
Graphics memory-Hard disk 20 GB
Hard disk free space 15 GB
Optical drive CD drive**
Audio-Internet-

* Processor speed is specified as the nominal operational processor frequency for the device. Some processors have power management that enables the processor to run at a lower rate to save power.

** The CD drive may be external. (For example, the CD drive may be not integral or not built into the system.)

Windows Vista Enterprise hardware planning guidance

You do not have to wait until Microsoft releases Windows Vista to purchase new computers for an enterprise. You can use the information in this article together with the Windows Vista Capable PC and Windows Vista Premium Ready PC logos to decide which hardware to purchase.

The Windows Vista Capable PC logo identifies hardware that meets or exceeds the requirements to deliver the Windows Vista core experiences. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. These computers can also deliver key business features that are found in the Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Enterprise versions, such as the "domain join" feature.

Some premium features may require advanced or additional hardware. For example, if a computer is not Windows Aero capable, the desktop graphics experience in Windows Vista will be comparable to Microsoft Windows XP with regard to visual features, to stability, and to performance. The Windows Vista Premium Ready program identifies hardware that can deliver these premium experiences. Features that are available in specific premium editions of Windows Vista, such as BitLocker Drive Encryption, may also require additional hardware.

Source: Microsoft (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919183)

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:13
How to install Windows Vista Release Candidate 1 or 2 or RTM (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918884/)


Basically it is this:

Download Vista RC2 ISO file. About 2.7 GB. Burn it onto a DVD using Nero.
Create a partition more than 15GB. A 'primary partition' and 'active'. Preferrably on your second hdd. Do not use a partition at the end of the hdd.
Load XP. From within XP, put in the Vista disc. If you install via booting from the dvd, the partition letters will be *changed* by Vista. (*only from Vista view).
Install it onto your new partition.
Load Vista.Before you install, be sure to have a seperate partition of 15 GB at least. That way you can try the Operating System without it touching your current XP. If you don't do this, uninstalling will bring you big troubles!

You install Vista on the separate free partition. This way, Vista will create a special 'Vista' Bootloader which appears while booting and gives you the option between "Previous Windows version" and "Windows Vista". If you don't select, Vista will launch by default within 6 seconds.

Make sure you FIRST have created the separate partition. Preferrably an 'active' partition, best is the first partition on your second harddiskdrive.
Then when you start installing Vista, make sure you select the Advanced option, so that you can choose the partition where you want it installed.


If you already have a dual-boot system: The Vista 'bootloader' places itself before this 'older' bootloader. So when you boot, you first are welcomed by the Vista bootloader with options:
-Previous Windows
-Windows Vista
and when you select Previous Windows you get to the normal old dual-boot bootloader to select between OS 1 and OS 2.

If you have Partition Magic 8, then you will have easy work.
Create a new partition, or format an existing partition that is not at the physical end of the hdd.
Right-click on it, convert it to primary and active.

Once Vista is installed, that partition will not be readable by Partition Magic 8 anymore. The name you have given to the partition will be replaced by question marks, and the partition appears to be 100% full (which is not the case at all).
Partition Magic 7, 8 and 9 are not Vista compatible. But that is no problem at all. You operate PM8 from within XP.


Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price
(Source: http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1 (http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1))

By Brian Livingston
Many people are upset by the fact that the economical, "upgrade" version of Vista won't accept a Windows XP or Windows 2000 CD-ROM as proof of ownership. Vista Upgrade is said to install only to a hard disk that already has XP or 2000 on it.

But I've tested a method that allows you to clean-install the Vista upgrade version on any hard drive, with no prior XP or W2K installation — or even a CD — required.

Save by avoiding the 'full' version

Windows Vista, in my opinion, is a big improvement over Windows XP in many ways. But the new operating system is distinctly overpriced.

The list price of the "full" (not "upgrade") version of the most expensive edition, Vista Ultimate, is $399.95 USD, with a street price around $380. That gold-plated retail figure is only possible because Microsoft long ago achieved monopoly pricing power in the PC operating system market.

Most computer users would prefer to keep using an older version of Windows, such as XP, rather than paying the inflated prices for the "full" version of Vista. To encourage switching to a new OS, Microsoft has historically offered a lower, "upgrade" price to people who can prove that they've previously purchased an older copy of Windows.

The difference between Vista's full and upgrade prices can be substantial. Based on the asking prices shown at Shopping.com on Jan. 31 — the day after the consumer version of Vista became available — the four most popular Vista versions will set you back approximately as follows:

Edition Full versionUpgrade version Vista Home Basic$192$100 ($92 less)Vista Home Premium$228$156 ($72 less)Vista Business$285$192 ($93 less)Vista Ultimate$380$225 ($155 less)
The upgrade versions of Vista have street prices that are 32% to 48% cheaper than the full versions. If you're truly installing Vista over an old instance of XP or W2K, the upgrade version of Vista will find the older OS on your hard drive and install without question. The problem is that Vista, unlike every version of Windows in the past, doesn't let you insert a physical disc from an older operating system as evidence of your previous purchase.

Vista has an undocumented feature, however, that actually allows you to "clean install" Vista to a hard disk that has no prior copy of XP or W2K.

Use Vista's 'upgrade' version to clean-install

The secret is that the setup program in Vista's upgrade version will accept an installed copy of XP, W2K, or an unactivated copy of Vista itself as evidence of a previous installation.

This enables you to "clean install" an upgrade version of Vista to any formatted or unformatted hard drive, which is usually the preferred method when installing any new operating system. You must, in essence, install Vista twice to take advantage of this trick. But Vista installs much faster than XP, so it's quicker than installing XP followed by Vista to get the upgrade price.

Before you install Vista on a machine that you don't know is 100% compatible, you should run Microsoft's free Upgrade Advisor. This program — which operates only on 32-bit versions of XP and Vista (plus Vista Enterprise) — reports to you on any hardware or software it finds that may be incompatible with Vista. See Microsoft's Upgrade Advisor page (http://windowssecrets.com/links/$P20d/983c85h/).

Also, to see which flavors of XP Home, XP Pro, and 2000 officially support in-place installs and clean installs of the different Vista editions, see Microsoft's upgrade paths page (http://windowssecrets.com/links/$P20d/e41f9bh/).

Here's a simplified overview of the steps that are required to clean-install the upgrade version of Vista:

Step 1. Boot the PC from the Vista DVD.

Step 2. Select "Install Now," but do not enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Leave the input box blank. Also, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online. In the next dialog box that appears, confirm that you really do want to install Vista without entering a Product Key.

Step 3. Correctly indicate the version of Vista that you're installing: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate.

Step 4. Select the "Custom (Advanced)" install, not the "Upgrade" install.

Step 5. Vista copies files at length and reboots itself one or more times. Wait for the install to complete. At this point, you might think that you could "activate" Vista, but you can't. That's because you haven't installed the Vista upgrade yet. To do that, run the DVD's setup.exe program again, but this time from the Vista desktop. The easiest way to start setup again is to eject and then reinsert the DVD.

Step 6. Click "Install Now." Select Do not get the latest updates for installation. (You can check for these updates later.)

Step 7. This time, do enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Once again, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online.

Step 8. On this second install, make sure to select "Upgrade," not "Custom (Advanced)." You're not doing a clean install now, you're upgrading to Vista.

Step 9. Wait while Vista copies files and reboots itself. No user interaction is required. Do not boot from the DVD when asked if you'd like to do so. Instead, wait a few seconds and the setup process will continue on its way. Some DOS-like, character-mode menus will appear, but don't interact with them. After a few seconds, the correct choice will run for you automatically.

Step 10. After you click a button labeled Start in the Thank You dialog box, Vista's login screen will eventually appear. Enter the username and password that you selected during the first install. You're done upgrading to Vista.

Step 11. Within 30 days, you must "activate" your copy of Vista or it'll lose functionality. To activate Vista, click Show more details in the Welcome Center that automatically displays upon each boot-up, then click Activate Windows now. If you've dismissed the Welcome Center, access the correct dialog box by clicking Start, Control Panel, System & Maintenance, System. If you purchased a legitimate copy of Vista, it should quickly activate over the Internet. (You can instead activate by calling Microsoft on the phone, which avoids your PC exchanging information with Microsoft's server.)

I'm not going into detail today on the merits of buying Vista at retail instead of buying a cheaper OEM copy. (The OEM offerings don't entitle you to call Microsoft for support, while the retail packages do.) Also, I'm not touching here on the least-expensive way to buy Vista, which is to take advantage of Microsoft's "educational" rate. I'll describe both of these topics in next week's newsletter.

Why does Vista's secret setup exist?

It's reasonable for us to ask ourselves whether buying an upgrade version of Vista, and then installing it to an empty hard disk that contains no previous version of Windows, is ethical.

I believe it is. Microsoft itself created the upgrade process. The company designed Vista to support upgrading it over a previously installed copy of XP, W2K Pro, or Vista itself. This isn't a black-hat hacker exploit. It's something that's been deliberately programmed into the approved setup routine.

Microsoft spent years developing and testing Vista. This upgrade trick must have been known to many, many people within the development team. Either Microsoft planned this upgrade path all along, knowing that computer magazines and newsletters (like this one) would widely publicize a way to "save money buying Vista." Or else some highly placed coders within the Vista development team decided that Vista's "full" price was too high and that no one should ever have to pay it. In either case, Vista's setup.exe is Microsoft's official install routine, and I see no problem with using it exactly as it was designed.

We should also think about whether instances of Vista that were installed using the clean-install method will continue to operate. I believe that this method will continue to be present in Vista DVDs at least until Microsoft begins distributing the Service Pack 1 edition of Vista around fall 2007. Changing the routine in the millions of DVDs that are now in circulation would simply be too wrenching. And trying to remotely disable instances of Vista that were clean-installed — even if it were technically possible to distinguish them — would generate too many tech-support calls and too much ill will to make it worthwhile.

Installing the upgrade version of Vista, but not installing over an existing instance of XP or W2K, probably violates the Vista EULA (end-user license agreement). If you're a business executive, I wouldn't recommend that you flout any Windows license provisions just to save money.
:wve:

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:27
You have Vista installed. Your graphics card will use the generic drivers. Which -depending on your card's capabilities- is enough for 2D and the graphic features in Vista like the Aeroglass theme and all basic video functions. But you have a very fine ATI or nVidia videocard and want to play games. You want the ATI Catalyst Control Center. You want the new NVIDIA Control Panel.

ATI released new Catalyst® Beta Display Driver for Windows Vista RTM (32 bit) (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/vista32/common-vista32.html) :tmb:

Version: 8.31.100.3.2.1 Date: Dec. 13, 2006
After installing this drivers package, download the latest DirectX9.0c for Vista (Date Published:12/13/2006). HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2DA43D38-DB71-4C1B-BC6A-9B6652CD92A3&displaylang=en&Hash=Ih5ph3%2bXSvIofXsgmH2F9M7jKFy9lSq4T0ufgbFA6t0 tE4C9%2bUJf1sRmGlqPYyxg%2bZTZBiG0%2fWqEodeBc5xD0Q% 3d%3d).

The Catalyst Beta Vista RTM driver will work under Windows Vista RC2.


Web Content

The Catalyst® Vista driver for the Windows Vista operating system includes:

Catalyst® software driver
Catalyst® Control CenterResolved Issues

This section provides information on resolved issues in this release of the ATI Catalyst® Vista driver. These include:

Serious Sam: The Second Encounter: Enabling the vsync in the Video Options of the game currently now functions as expected. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23536
Windows Media Player or WinDVD: Attempting to view a DVD on a system containing an ATI MobilityTM Radeon® X1600 and running the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in the DVD video and audio failing to play smoothly. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23533
Fast forwarding or rewinding through recorded content no longer results in only two frames repeating over and over. 737-23535
Right clicking on the Windows Vista desktop (32bit version) no longer results in the Catalyst® Control Center failing to be available in the menu selection. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23538
Attempting to un-install the Catalyst® Control Center under the Windows Vista operating system (64bit version) no longer results in the Catalyst® Control Center taking 30 minutes or more to complete the un-install process. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23539
Entering the color aspect page under the 64 bit version of the Windows Vista operating system, and attempting to change the red gamma, brightness, and contrast settings to its maximum values no longer results in the changes not be retained when restarting the operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23542
Connecting a TV as a secondary display device no longer results in the TV failing to be activated when entering the Catalyst Control Center and selecting Extend Main onto TV. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23544
Catalyst Control Center->Video->All Settings aspect: The Overlay mode selection is no longer available on systems containing ATI Radeon products that do not support this feature. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23545
Temporal AA is now active under the Windows Vista operating system even when setting AA to 2x. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23546
Enabling extended desktop and rotating either one or both of the displays no longer results in the secondary display device becoming disabled when selecting to swap the display devices within the Catalyst Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23548
Using the Windows Media Player to playback a DVD no longer results in a jittering effect being noticed under the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23551
Connecting a secondary display device and enabling clone mode no longer results in the secondary display device failing to display an image when maximizing the WinDVD player from a minimized state
Applying or disabling the option "Reduce DVI Frequency on High Resolution Displays" found in the Catalyst Control Center, no longer results in display device displaying a black screen. This issue was known to occur under the Windows Vista operating system (64 bit) when using an ATI Radeon X1900 series of products
Attempting to un-install the graphics driver using the Catalyst Install Manager no longer results in the ATI packages not being detected
Purble Palace: Playing the game for a short time period and then entering a standby state while the game is still running no longer results in the Windows Vista operating system failing to resume from the standby stateKnown Issues

This section provides information on known issues associated with the ATI Catalyst® Vista RTM driver for both the 32bit and 64bit versions of the Microsoft Windows Vista operating system. These include:

NHL 07: The in-game display settings may fail to be applied when playing the game under the Windows Vista operating system when using a supported ATI Radeon product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23549
Catalyst® Control Center: The Catalyst® Control Center may take a longer than expected amount of time to launch under the 64 bit version of the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23541
The Force TV option may still be active after deselecting the option and then re-launching the Catalyst Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23547
Corruption may be noticed during fast motion of DVD playback under the Windows Vista operating system when using MCE/WMP. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23550
Attempting to un-install the graphics driver may result in the Vista operating system failing to respond requiring a reboot before the driver successfully un-installs
Catalyst Control Center->Avivo Video->Deinterlacing: The Pulldown Detection option maybe available on products that do not support the function
Connecting a CRT to a system containing an ATI Mobility product may result in the hot key function to toggle between the display devices not functioning properly
Setting the Vista Power Option to Balanced mode may result in an audio pop being heard when playing an audio file
Catalyst Control Center->Display Manager: Connecting only a CRT display device to a system running Windows Vista may result in TV display modes being available
Installing the graphics driver and rebooting the Vista operating system as required may result in the display resolution of 1280x800 not being available
Catalyst Control Center->Display Manager: Connecting a display device using the DVI connector may result in the display device failing to be recognized in the Catalyst Control Center
Disconnecting the primary display device when the Windows Vista operating system is in a standby state may result in the log-in screen failing to appear when resuming
Installing the graphics driver on a system containing an ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 or 1150 product may result in the native resolution of 1280x1024 failing to be applied
Playing a DVD under the Windows Vista operating system using the Windows Media Player may result in the DVD failing to play when switching between display devices using the hot-key function
Connecting a secondary (CRT) display device to a system containing an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 series product may result in the inability to set the secondary display device as the primary
Enabling closed captioning when using WinDVD8 to play a DVD title may result in the closed captioning failing to be shown
Enabling the 3D Only option in the Catalyst Control Center may result in the checkbox becoming un-checked when clicking the Apply buttonFor further information and general help on software driver installation, game issues, and more, visit ATI Customer Care (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894).
Installing the Catalyst® Vista Software Driver

Installation information can be found at: Windows Vista drivers (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=5712)

After installing this drivers package, download the latest DirectX9.0c for Vista (Date Published:12/13/2006). HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2DA43D38-DB71-4C1B-BC6A-9B6652CD92A3&displaylang=en&Hash=Ih5ph3%2bXSvIofXsgmH2F9M7jKFy9lSq4T0ufgbFA6t0 tE4C9%2bUJf1sRmGlqPYyxg%2bZTZBiG0%2fWqEodeBc5xD0Q% 3d%3d).
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NVIDIA has released the following WHQL certified drivers for use with Windows Vista RC2 that will enable you to test the basic features and capabilities of the new operating system.
Release Highlights:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RC2 build 5744 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.
Includes the new NVIDIA Control Panel. Please visit the NVIDIA Control Panel website (http://www.nvidia.com/object/nv_control_panel.html) for more information.
Includes OpenGL driver for compatibility testing.
Improved application compatibility and performance.
For a full list of fixes issues, please view the Release Notes.Release Notes - 96.85 (http://download.nvidia.com/Windows/96.85/96.85_ForceWare_WinVista_Release_Notes.pdf)

Driver Installation Hints

"Download Accelerator" utilities should be disabled when downloading any drivers.
Do not run virus protection software in the background while installing the drivers. This prevents the driver from configuring itself properly.
Before installing new drivers make sure you uninstall all NVIDIA display drivers from the Windows Control Panel. Browse to the Start Menu > Windows Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs and search for "NVIDIA Windows Display Drivers" or "NVIDIA Display Drivers" and select remove.

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:28
Just what i hoped for! :tmb: :D

Creative X-Fi Beta for Vista.

Download and install Creative X-Fi Beta for Vista driver (http://www.asia.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?MainCategory=209&nRegionFK=&nCountryFK=&nLanguageFK=&sOSName=Windows+Vista+32-bit&region=2&Product_Name=X-Fi+Platinum&Product_ID=14065&modelnumber=&driverlang=1033&OS=26&drivertype=0&x=22&y=10) v.2.13.0001 ---- Released 28 Dec 06

It is only basic, which means: you have hi-fi stereo. No surround. No EAX. In the setup of your games, do NOT touch the Sound options. Leave them at basic default.


Filename: SBXF_PCDVTBETA_US_2_13_0001.exe
This download is a driver providing Microsoft® Windows® Vista™ 64-bit and Windows Vista 32-bit support for Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ series of audio devices. For more details, read the rest of this web release note.

Take note of the following:

THIS IS AN UNSUPPORTED BETA DRIVER. There is no technical support for this driver.
We recommend that only experienced users install this driver. Do not install this driver for critical tasks.
This driver is for installation with official release versions of Windows Vista only.This download supports the following audio devices only:

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic,
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty
Creative Sound Blaster Elite ProCurrent release features:

X-Fi Crystalizer™
X-Fi CMSS®-3D
MIDI Playback
EAX® Effects
PCM stereo output through optical out
Line-in connectivity
Recording capabilities.Known issues:

This driver does not support the following:
Decoding of Dolby® Digital and DTS™ signals
DVD-Audio
DirectSound®-based EAX games
6.1 speaker mode.
SPDIF passthrough is supported on Vista 32-bit only.
Applications from the original Sound Blaster X-Fi CD will not work with this download.Requirements:

Windows Vista 64-bit or Windows Vista 32-bit
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi audio devices listed above.Notes:

Do not install this driver for Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio.
To install the driver, do the following:
Download the SBXF_PCDVTBETA_US_2_13_0001.exe file into your local hard disk.
Double-click the downloaded file.
Follow the instructions on the screen.
To uninstall the driver, do the following:

Click Start -> All Programs -> Control Panel.
Double-click the Device Manager icon.
Double-click the Sound, video and game controllers option.
Right-click the Creative SB X-Fi option, and select Uninstall.

The Confirm Device Uninstall dialog box appears.
Select the Delete the driver software for this device option.
Note: This check box must be selected to avoid reinstallation issues.
Click the OK button.
Restart your computer.
To reinstall the driver, do the following:

Double-click the downloaded file.
When the message You must restart your computer to apply these changes appears, click the Restart Later button.
Follow the instructions on the screen.


Sound Blaster Live! and Windows Vista 32-bit.
Sorry, no Creative updates are available for the selected product.
To receive support for a different Creative Soundblaster card, click here (http://www.asia.creative.com/support/downloads).

Joseph
16-10-06, 21:29
You tried one of the Release candidates, but now want to uninstall and restore the previous situation without a trace of the Vista installment.

To uninstall Vista, the simplest is to launch your XP, use VistaBootPRO (http://www.vistabootpro.org/) (install it on XP) to remove the Vista 'Master Boot record'. I mean that Vista creates its own bootloader before the XP-master boot record. So you need VistBootPRO to remove that part. Then you can safely format the partition where you have Vista. Of course you can do that from within XP-diskmanagement.

http://www.vistabootpro.org/images/screenies/VBP3Settings540.png


Use "Manage Operating System Entries" to select XP as the default Operating System, then select the Vista entry and remove.

Use the buttons:"Bootloader" and "Advanced settings" to view what is there, and delete the Vista Boot Configuration Data (BCD) files.
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Joseph
16-10-06, 22:18
Fully interactive addressbar! :tmb: Click on the folder names to open them, click on the arrows to explore. :)

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-addressbar.jpg


The function: "Switch Between Windows". :cool:

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-switchbetweenwindows.jpg

Tabbed Browsing in IE. :cool:

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-tabbedbrowsing.jpg

Phishingfilter! :tmb:

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-phishingfilter.jpg

Taskbar-thumbnails of the minimized windows when you hover the mousepointer over them... :cool:


http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-taskbarthumbnails.jpg

Function intended to give the average user an idea about their PC's performance...

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-computerrating.jpg

However i overclocked my Pentium 650 to 4 Ghz, it is not a Core2Duo... (:()


Snipping Tool. (http://desktoppub.about.com/od/screencaptures/ig/Snipping-Tool/index.htm)
The Snipping Tool utility in Windows Vista is a better option than the Windows Print Screen method of screen captures. It saves a few steps compared to Print Screen It gives you more options than just capturing the screen or the active window. You can do much more with it (see pictures in link).
No need to open Paint anymore. Open snipping tool then drag your cursor over the area you want to capture and then save as a JPG.

Data Recovery and Application Restart (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/reliability/#drar): With Windows Vista, users won't have to restart their computers for most updates and application installations. Windows Vista knows which applications and services are using which files, and if a file needs to be updated, Windows Vista can coordinate saving the application's data, closing the application or stopping the service, updating the file, and automatically reopening the application or restarting the service. This capability is provided by a feature called Restart Manager.

Windows Imaging Format (WIM) (http://blogs.microsoft.nl...dows_Imaging_Format_.aspx)

I/O Cancellation Support (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/reliability/#io)

Application Feedback (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/reliability/#feedback)

Quality of Service (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/connected/#qos)

Windows Installer (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/deployable/#wi)

SideShow (aka Auxiliary Displays) (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/mobile/#ad)

Power Management (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/mobile/#pm)

Network Location Awareness (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/mobile/#nla)

Windows PE 2.0 (http://blogs.microsoft.nl...chive/2006/02/07/805.aspx)

Tablet PC (http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/mobile/#tpc)

Joseph
16-10-06, 22:23
Windows Mail is the successor to Outlook Express:

Windows Mail is the successor to Outlook Express

Windows Mail builds on the foundation of Outlook Express, adding a variety of new features designed to make your e-mail experience more productive and fun, while helping to reduce risks and annoyances such as phishing and junk e-mail.

Getting started

If you're upgrading from Outlook Express, Windows Mail can import your existing account information and e-mail addresses. The first time you start Windows Mail, you will be prompted to set up an e-mail account. If you skip this step and want to set up a new account later, click the Tools menu, click Accounts, and then click Add.

In addition to sending and receiving e-mail, you can use Windows Mail to read newsgroups, which are Internet discussion forums where groups of people gather to talk about common interests. To participate in a newsgroup (you can send a message or just read what other people are talking about), click Microsoft Communities in the folder pane. You can choose from a variety of newsgroups devoted to Windows and other Microsoft products.

To get help using Windows Mail, click the Help menu, and then click View Help. You can also get help from other Windows Mail users in the microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail (mhtml:{19300494-859E-4E9E-9F28-569DCC15E95C}mid://00000000/!x-usc:news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail) newsgroup.

New Features


Improved e-mail searching

To quickly search your messages in Windows Mail, you can type complete or partial words into the search box. You'll instantly get a list of all of the messages that contain those words. The list of results will show messages that contain your search criteria in both the headers and message text of your mail messages. <LI class=MsoNormal>For fast access to search, press CTRL+E to move the cursor into the search box. Press ESC to clear the search box.
You can also search your e-mail inbox from Windows by using the search box. Searching from Windows instead of Windows Mail will produce the same results: matches are based on both the headers and message text of the mail in your inbox.Junk e-mail and phishing filters

Windows Mail now includes Microsoft SmartScreen technology to help keep unwanted junk e-mail out of your Inbox. Suspected junk e-mail messages are automatically moved to the Junk E-mail folder.
The anti-phishing features in Windows Mail help protect against phishing messages, which attempt to trick you into revealing personal or financial information. When Windows Mail detects a possible phishing message, it allows you to view the message, but it blocks any links or dangerous content that might be in the message. You can choose to delete a message, or to allow a message that you know is safe.Communities

Windows Mail Communities let you rate the usefulness of newsgroup messages by clicking the Rate this Post button. This makes it easier and faster to find helpful, trusted information in busy newsgroups.
The Communities rating feature uses Windows Live ID to help ensure that the people who post messages in newsgroups are who they claim to be. (You can still utilize the Communities feature without using Windows Live ID.) About Newsgroups

Using newsgroups

Windows Mail is about more than just e-mail. You can use Windows Mail to access Microsoft's Help newsgroups at msnews.microsoft.com (mhtml:{19300494-859E-4E9E-9F28-569DCC15E95C}mid://00000000/!x-usc:news://msnews.microsoft.com/) by clicking Microsoft Communities in the folder pane. These newsgroups allow you to ask questions and read answers from other people who are also using Microsoft products.
What you should know before you get started
1. Find the appropriate group.You'll find newsgroups covering most Microsoft products. Picking the appropriate newsgroup is the best way to receive the information you want. Select folders related to the product that you have questions about. For example, the group "microsoft.public.powerpoint" would be the place to go for Microsoft PowerPoint questions. For more information about subscribing to newsgroups, go to Help and Support and search for "subscribe to a newsgroup."

2. Browse before asking. If you have a common question about a product, chances are good that there is already an answer in an existing newsgroup discussion. By browsing the discussions you might find the answer you need so that you don't have to post the question.


3. Expand the list of responses. The responses to each question are displayed as a collapsed list to make the postings easier to read.. To see all of the answers to a question, click the plus sign (+) next to the message topic. This will expand the list so that you can see all of the answers to a question.

4. Good questions get more helpful answers. The more information you provide, the more likely people will be able to help you. For example, write a very descriptive title for your question. People will decide whether to read your message based on the title. A question with a title like, "How do I print multiple e-mail messages?" is more likely to get useful responses than a question with a title like "Help!" If you're having a technical problem, include the relevant details about the hardware and software that you're using. This information helps other people in the newsgroup replicate your problem.

5. Response time for questions. If you post a question to a newsgroup, other people in that newsgroups will often answer your question within 24 hours. If you don't get an answer within a day or two, consider reposting your question with a more descriptive title and more detailed information.

6. Mind your "netiquette." In a newsgroup, you encounter both anonymity and the inability to determine someone's tone, so it's sometimes easy to get drawn into heated discussions (commonly called "flame wars"). This can be compounded if you're visiting the newsgroup because you're frustrated by a problem in the first place. While it might be tempting to lash back at someone who posts a less-than-helpful reply, it does no good in the end. For a guide to the dos and don'ts of newsgroup discussion, see Netiquette 101 for New Netizens (mhtml:{19300494-859E-4E9E-9F28-569DCC15E95C}mid://00000000/!x-usc:http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=51301).

7. Who are MVPs? MVPs are experienced users of certain Microsoft products who use their expertise in answering questions from other users.

Joseph
16-10-06, 22:52
For gaming benchmarks, see the other thread Vista RC2 and how the games do on it. (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=76616)

Lord Icon
17-10-06, 02:47
Here is a nice site for Vista (news, tools, drivers, tweaks etc.) called TweakVista.com (http://www.tweakvista.com/)

tlr online
17-10-06, 07:08
Here is a nice site for Vista (news, tools, drivers, tweaks etc.) called TweakVista.com (http://www.tweakvista.com/)
Cool! I'm all over that :wve:

Zebius
17-10-06, 07:43
Great FAQ Joseph! :jmp:

One notice: when uninstalling Vista using VistaBootPRO the most important thing is to 'Uninstall the Vista bootloader' in 'Bootloader' tab. Otherwise this bootloader will be still on the disk, and you will not be able to remove Boot folder from your hard drive.
I posted about in another thread, because first time I uninstalled Vista wrong way (I removed Vista from 'Manage OS entries' only).

Joseph, I see on your screen that you have 7 OSs installed. Is this beacuse of not removing bootloaders totally or do you really have 7OSs installed? ;)

tlr online
17-10-06, 07:53
Yup. Totally agree with Zebius there Jo. This is an awesome FAQ you've developed there!!!! :tmb:

Joseph
17-10-06, 07:54
Good morning Zebius. :)

I do NOT have 7 OS's installed. Hehe i think you mean the function: "Switch Between Windows". :D That is not about the OS Windows, but a way to organize in 3D litterally several windows you have open on your desktop. :cool:

Of course -and i kept saying that- you must remove the Vista bootloader (delete the Vista Boot Configuration Data (BCD) files.). That picture i took of course before removing Vista (have done that about 8 times now).

Morning tlr online. Thanks, and Zebius, and Lord Icon.

Zebius
17-10-06, 08:17
Good morning, Joseph. :wve:

I think you misunderstood me. Look at the picture in your post #7:
"There is currently 7OS(s) installed in the boot manager."

Could you check once again your VistaBootPRO entries, 'cause I suspect you didn't uninstalled Vista bootloaders correctly.

Joseph
17-10-06, 08:32
You are right! I see it too on that picture. :D That picture is old. :p

EDIT: no, that picture above is not even mine!!! Right-click on it and you see that it is from: http://www.vistabootpro.org/images/screenies/VBP3Settings540.png Hotlinked! :jmp:

Here is the one i made 5 minutes ago:

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vistabootpro17oct06.jpg

Apofiss
17-10-06, 09:31
Joseph, superb FAQ!!! This will come handy for sure :tmb:

Hehe.. not first, but second thing to do after installing Vista I shall turn off all "un-needed" Vista utilities like; System Restore, visual effects and every new things added in Windows Vista? ..to operate with a minimal RAM resources :D

Joseph
17-10-06, 09:58
System Restore is very usefull... i wouldn't switch that off. Besides, it takes no RAM, it only takes some diskspace. In Vista it is not setup to do it automatically, you have to do it by hand when you decide it is needed. :tmb:

In XP i always use Windows Classic, but Vista's visual effects are too nice looking to undo! :D

SLAYER
17-10-06, 13:23
Great FAQ Joseph

yeah the AERO theme is unresistable:D
the 3d view of the tasks looks nice

Cochrane
17-10-06, 17:59
http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/Computer/vista-tabbedbrowsing.jpg

LOL! "You've opened a new tab"
Now if that doesn't confirm all my worst prejudices about Microsoft...

Joseph
17-10-06, 18:32
You're a MAC believer. At least you are very honest about it: prejudiced. :p

Tabs are new in Internet Explorer. Very nce addition! :tmb: :)

Joseph
29-10-06, 20:34
I solved the "changing of drive letters by Vista" problem. :D

As you all know, there are 2 ways of installing:

From the Windows XP Desktop: put the DVD in the player and install Vista (onto the other partition you created first). After installation, Vista will see itself on the other partition with the original driveletter (in my case: "K"). Viewed from XP it is on "K", and viewed from Vista itself it is on "K" as well.
Boot the PC from the DVD and follow the steps.
This way, you will be welcomed with a slightly different 'menu to complete the installation', and from the Vista view upon "This Computer", to your surprise you see Vista on "C:\" (where XP was) and your XP has been 'moved' to another drive letter ("D" in my case). Don't worry: when you load XP you'll see nothing has been really changed to the drive letters. Still, it is inconvenient.Conclusion: best way to install Vista on a second partition is from the XP Desktop: put in the DVD and follow the steps. :)
I redid the installation a couple of times today to figure this out.

In both ways of installing you will be welcomed with a slightly different 'menu to complete the installation' for setting your country/region, timezone and keyboard. Not that it is important, but it shows the different approaches to your harddiskdrive management of the Vista installation process.

In method 1, the process sees that Windows XP is active so it will not try to change drive letters.
In method 2, the process does recognize a previous Windows (which is not active) on your hdd, but is intended to set itself as primary OS on C.
So, i installed successfully via method 1, the way that i want it.

JANKERSON
30-10-06, 04:24
I solved the "changing of drive letters by Vista" problem. :D


In method 1, the process sees that Windows XP is active so it will not try to change drive letters.



Yeah that's the way I installed it on mine the first time and the drive letters didn't change so I was wondering why others were having that problem. :D

abraham
30-10-06, 04:43
has anyone downloaded build 5840 rc2?

btw solved my computer problems,just needed to delete nvidia drivers from safe mode. but yes2day its permantly stuffed and im going to install vista in the same hardrive as dual boot IS THAT FINE!!!!!!.BECUASE I DONT WANT IT TO STUFF UP,CAUSE DRIVER PROBLEMS

and im testing out my new dvd burner i got,and if the instalation setup of windows is still very slow than its my bios:(. It takes for ever to get into the vista setup. JOSEF I RECORD THE 4MINUTE OF THE SETUP AND YOU SEE WHY.

EDIT: josef are you on rc1 because i can confirm that your using it becuase when you load up IE, the top bit where it says "Welcome to tabbed browsing ect" thats all black. Its ment to be clear in RC2 and higher. Well if im wrong, I havn't used Vista in ages.

abraham
30-10-06, 10:11
the new 5840 build yes alot of speed improvements,better compability with xp programs but i havn't tested with any games since i cant be bothered.

but when windows does the security check that stops everything from going and goes all black to check if you requested that to run, that is much faster. Also i check the ram and on the old builds it used to go from 60-81%. now its like 50-60-70% all the time and the cpu clock is lower so its faster:jmp:

trhe 5840 stamp is gone since its a RTM build.

Joseph
31-10-06, 15:44
I have RC2 Build 5744 when i started these threads and still have the same Build.

Abraham i guess you were having trouble with bugs in Build 5824. Which are solved in 5840 as you have noticed.
Build 5840 is a leaked version. And it will expire after 30 days.
I am keeping my RC2 Build 5744. :)

abraham
01-11-06, 05:03
i never use vista after 30 days really. I ususally roll back to Xp after like 17days. But this build feels so solid i want to stay with it since it burns dvds well.

Joseph
03-11-06, 03:43
New ATI Catalyst for Vista, now for RC2! :tmb:

Download HERE (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=5712).

Catalyst Beta Driver for Windows Vista RTM



Please Note:
The Catalyst Beta Vista RTM driver will work under Windows Vista RC2.
Product series supported:

Radeon&#174; 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X550, X600, X700, X800, X850 series
Radeon&#174; X1300, X1600, X1650, X1800, X1900, X1950 series
All-in-Wonder&#174; 2006, 9600, 9800, X600, X800, X1800, X1900
Theater™ 550 PRO/TV Wonder™ Elite
Mobility™ Radeon&#174; 9550, 9600, 9700, 9800, X300, X600, X700, X800 series
Mobility™ Radeon&#174; X1300, X1400, X1600, X1800 series
CrossFire™ Xpress 1600, 3200 series
Radeon&#174; Xpress 200, 200M, 1100 seriesFeedback:

All feedback should be reported via the Catalyst Crew Feedback programNotes:

ATI does NOT recommend installing these drivers in systems used for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern
These drivers are provided AS IS and are not supported by ATI Customer Care or any other ATI department.

Performance Highlights

Performance highlights for the Catalyst&#174; Vista RTM driver include:

3DMark05 overall scores improve 5.8-9.7%
3DMark03 performance improves as much a 10.7%
Serious Sam 2 performance improves as much as 8.4% with the largest gains seen at lower resolutions. Resolved Issues

This section provides information on resolved issues in this release of the ATI Catalyst&#174; Vista RTM driver for both the 32bit and 64bit versions of the Microsoft Windows Vista operating system. These include:

Age of Empires 3: Attempting to play the game on a system containing an ATI Radeon&#174; X1800 product and running the Window Vista operating system (32 bit version) no longer results in the game failing to launch and an error message being displayed
F.E.A.R.: Attempting to play the game on a system running the Windows Vista operating system and containing a supported ATI Radeon product no longer results in a Windows error message being displayed and the game failing to launch
Ghost Recon: Advance Warfighter: Intermittent display corruption is no longer noticed within the game when setting the in game display option to high texture quality an the display resolution to 1280x1024 70Hz
Half Life 2 or Day of Defeat: Playing the games on a system containing an ATI Radeon&#174; X1600 or X1300 and running the Windows Vista operating system (32 bit version) no longer results in display corruption being noticed
Lord of the Rings: The Battle For Middle Earth II: Attempting to install the game on a system containing an ATI Radeon&#174; X850 (CrossFire™, GTO or XT edition) and running the Windows Vista operating system (64 bit version) no longer results in the game failing to complete the installation process
Attempting to un-install the Catalyst&#174; Vista driver no longer results in the Programs and Features dialog box being displayed indicating that a fatal error has occurred
Catalyst&#174; Control Center: Enabling all Hotkeys for changing gammas, brightness and contrast no longer results in the full screen D3D colors failing to change
Media player or WinDVD7: Playing a DVD and attempting to switch between user accounts no longer results in the overlay window appearing blank
Connecting a TV to a system containing an ATI Mobility™ Radeon&#174; X1400 and attempting to play a DVD no longer results in the DVD playback window failing to display an image when switching to TV mode
Catalyst&#174; Control Center: Installing multiple display adapters in a system running the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in the NEXT button found in the Catalyst&#174; Control Center Welcome page (basic view) appearing as an EXIT button
Attempting to cancel the un-install of the Catalyst&#174; Control Center through the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in the un-install failing to stop and the Catalyst&#174; Control Center being completely un-installed
The incorrect driver version number is no longer displayed when performing a custom install of the display driver under the Windows Vista operating system
Rainbow Six: Lockdown: Attempting to play the game on a system containing an ATI Radeon&#174; X700 product and running the Window Vista operating system (32 or 64 bit versions) no longer results in the game failing to launch and an error message being displayed
Catalyst&#174; Control Center: The Predefined and Custom HDTV Formats found in the Digital Panel Properties no longer fails to be updated with the standard or custom modes resolving the issue of the standard and custom formats not being available
Catalyst&#174; Control Center: Selecting Preferences->Select a skin no longer results in the Select a skin dialog box failing to be displayed under the Windows Vista operating system
Attempting to play a DVD using the media center under the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in the DVD taking anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes to load and start its playback
Enabling Overdrive under the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in a warning message failing to be displayed and the operating system failing to shut down when the graphics adapter temperature raises above the 120 degrees celsius mark
Connecting an HDTV as a secondary display device under the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in clone mode failing to function
Connecting an TV as a secondary display device under the Windows Vista operating system and attempting to enabled extended desktop mode no longer results the Windows desktop failing to be displayed on the secondary display device
Attempting to resume from suspend mode on a system containing an ATI Mobility™ Radeon&#174; X1400 product no longer results in the Windows Vista operating system failing to respond
Performing display mode changes while playing a DVD under the Windows Vista operating system no longer results in the DVD playback being blocked and failing to playback
Installing an ATI Radeon&#174; X1600 or X1300 product in a system running the Windows Vista (32 or 64 bit version) no longer results in display flicker or display corruption being noticed after the installation of the software drivers
Scheduling a recording, followed by resuming from sleep or hibernate mode no longer results in the recording video pane appearing blank or the video appearing choppy. Rebooting the system will allow for proper playback of the recorded file
Attempting to change between Scale Image to Full panel size and Use centered Timings when using an irregular display mode such as 1280x900 no longer results in no changes occurring between the two modes
Catalyst&#174; Control Center->Advanced View->3D->Catalyst&#174; AI: The apply button no longer behaves erratically when selecting and deselecting Catalyst&#174; AI
The ATI T200 Unified AVStream driver is no longer missing after completing either the Express or Custom install of the display driver for the of the Windows Vista operating system
Installing the display drivers for a secondary display adapter no longer results in all of the Catalyst Control Center aspect disappearing and the graphics adapter being identified as a standard VGA adapter
Enabling clone mode and playing a media clip using WinDVD 7.0 no longer results in the mouse pointer appearing on the secondary display device when playing the media clip in full-screen mode
The ATI Catalyst Control Center Ex64 no longer appears within the Windows Vista un-install or change a program window found in the Control Panel->Programs->Programs and Features
Enabling extended desktop mode and attempting to play a DVD using WinDVD 7.0 no longer results in the DVD failing to playback
Setting Anisotropic Filtering to 16x within the Catalyst Control Center no longer results in the AF feature failing to be applied
Hot-unplugging the display device and then hot-plugging the same display device to the system again no longer results in the Windows Vista desktop failing to be displayed
Docking a system that is in an S3 state no longer results in the Windows Vista operating system failing to resume
PowerPlay settings such as High Battery Life and Balanced modes are now functioning properly under the Windows Vista operating system
Hot-plugging a CRT display device no longer results in display corruption being noticed on the LCD display device
Display corruption is no longer noticed on the primary display device when hot-unplugging the secondary display device
Enabling clone mode and running a 3D application in a windowed mode on the secondary display device no longer results in flickering within the 3D application when it is partially covered by another application or menu item
Entering an S3 state and resuming from that S3 state multiple Verdana within a short time period no longer results in the Vista operating system (32bit version) taking a long time to resume
Running through the display driver un-install procedure no longer results in the Vista operating system failing to restart when prompted for a restart to complete the un-install of the display driver
Attempting to cancel or stop the express installation of the display driver or the AV stream driver no longer results in the display driver still completing the installation
Connecting a CRT to the docking station followed by docking the system with the lid closed no longer results in the display resolution reverting to 640x480
The display resolutions of 2048x1536 and 1800x1440 are now available in both the Catalyst Control Center and the Windows Display Settings under the Windows Vista operating system (32bit version)
Hot-plugging an EDID compliant CRT or DFP no longer results in the EDID information failing to be updated within the Catalyst Control Center
Clicking on the Identify Displays option within the Catalyst Control Center no longer results in the display identification number being poorly rendered
Running through the Custom install for the display driver no longer results in the message "Select to install version 8.31.100.0 again" being displayed in English under the Japanese version of the Windows Vista operating system
The Windows Vista operating system no longer fails to respond when attempting to run a D3D application when extended desktop mode is enabledKnown Issues

This section provides information on known issues associated with the ATI Catalyst&#174; Vista RTM driver for both the 32bit and 64bit versions of the Microsoft Windows Vista operating system. These include:

3DMark05 version 1.2: Running the application under the 32bit version of the Windows Vista operating system may result in the application failing with a dialog box being displayed indicating a failure in IDirect3DDevice9::Present failed: Device lost (D3DERR_DEVICELOST). Further details can be found in topic number 737-23543
NHL 07: The in-game display settings may fail to be applied when playing the game under the Windows Vista operating system when using a supported ATI Radeon product. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23549
Serious Sam: The Second Encounter: Enabling the vsync in the Video Options of the game currently has no effect on the Frames Per Second (FPS). Further details can be found in topic number 737-23536
Windows Media Player or WinDVD: Attempting to view a DVD on a system containing an ATI Mobility™ Radeon&#174; X1600 and running the Windows Vista operating system may result in the DVD video and audio failing to play smoothly. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23533
Fast forwarding or rewinding through recorded content currently results in only two frames repeating over and over. 737-23535
Installing the software driver to a custom location for an ATI Radeon&#174; X1x00 series of product under the Windows Vista operating system may result in the default driver location being created as well. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23537
Right clicking on the Windows Vista desktop (32bit version) may result in the Catalyst&#174; Control Center failing to be available in the menu selection. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23538
Attempting to un-install the Catalyst&#174; Control Center under the Windows Vista operating system (64bit version) may result in the Catalyst&#174; Control Center taking 30 minutes or more to complete the un-install process. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23539
The TV tuner may fail to be detected when attempting to configure the TV under the Windows Vista operating system (32 or 64 bit versions). Further details can be found in topic number 737-23540
Catalyst&#174; Control Center: The Catalyst&#174; Control Center may take a longer than expected amount of time to launch under the 64 bit version of the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23541
Entering the color aspect page under the 64 bit version of the Windows Vista operating system, and attempting to change the red gamma, brightness, and contrast settings to its maximum values may result in the changes not be retained when restarting the operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23542
Connecting a TV as a secondary display device may result in the TV failing to be activated when entering the Catalyst Control Center and selecting Extend Main onto TV. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23544
Catalyst Control Center->Video->All Settings aspect: The Overlay mode selection may be available on systems containing ATI Radeon products that do not support this feature. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23545
Temporal AA is currently active under the Windows Vista operating system even when setting AA to 2x. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23546
The Force TV option may still be active after deselecting the option and then re-launching the Catalyst Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23547
Enabling extended desktop and rotating either one or both of the displays may result in the secondary display device becoming disabled when selecting to swap the display devices within the Catalyst Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23548
Corruption may be noticed during fast motion of DVD playback under the Windows Vista operating system when using MCE/WMP. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23550
Using the Windows Media Player to playback a DVD may result in a jittering effect being noticed under the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-23551For further information and general help on software driver installation, game issues, and more, visit AMD Customer Care (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894).


Installing the Catalyst&#174; Vista Software Driver

Installation information can be found at: Windows Vista drivers (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=5712)

abraham
11-11-06, 02:33
VIsta RTM is leaked:jmp: and downloading it. Cant wait till i buy the product keys than i can fully use it:jmp: :jmp: :jmp: :jmp: :jmp: :jmp: :jmp: :jmp:

Lord Icon
14-11-06, 08:49
Here is another good site for Vista software called VistaFiles.org (http://www.vista-files.org/)

Joseph
14-11-06, 10:28
Great link Lord Icon, thanks! :tmb:

abraham
15-11-06, 06:07
why not www.thehotfix.net (http://www.thehotfix.net) and thats were i downloaded vista rtm becuase they provided mediafire thinks which download so fast exact as microsoft servers:jmp:

sorry im soo happy today

Agent 47
17-11-06, 13:41
excellent thread Joseph

i'm running the Windows Vista RC1 Build 5600,i'm surprised at how stable it is

the good news is, all the programmes i used on XP work fine in Vista :jmp:

the only issue i do have is my printer (Lexmark 2300 Series) i can't find a driver for Vista :( apart from that minor issue.Vista is way better than XP

will definitely buy it in January for sure :D

before i installed Vista,i ran the compatibility programme...the only thing stopping my PC from running ALL versions of Vista is my graphics card lol...it doesn't have a T.V out socket or something and a T.V Tuner

to surmise,i'm impressed :jmp:

Joseph
17-11-06, 13:51
Thanks Agent. Yes i love it too. :D

Your printer should work OK, isn't it recognized automatically by Vista?the only thing stopping my PC from running ALL versions of Vista is my graphics card lol...it doesn't have a T.V out socket or something and a T.V TunerOh that's because of the inbuilt Media Center.

Agent 47
17-11-06, 13:55
Thanks Agent. Yes i love it too. :D

Your printer should work OK, isn't it recognized automatically by Vista?Oh that's because of the inbuilt Media Center.


nope...it says " not communicating"

Joseph
17-11-06, 13:58
Which Lexmark do you have?

edit, sorry: 2300 Series you said.

Was it connected while you installed Vista?

Agent 47
17-11-06, 14:05
Which Lexmark do you have?

edit, sorry: 2300 Series you said.

Was it connected while you installed Vista?

yes it was.........but turned off

Joseph
17-11-06, 14:11
Still should work when you turn it on and reboot the PC. After a short while Windows should detect new device (printer). Normally that is.

Agent 47
17-11-06, 14:13
Still should work when you turn it on and reboot the PC. After a short while Windows should detect new device (printer). Normally that is.

ah! ok.......i'll try that then and hope it works

thanks

Joseph
17-11-06, 14:19
Or, install the XP drivers, have you tried that? Incase you'll try: first install the drivers before you connect the printer!

Agent 47
17-11-06, 14:45
nope...still not communicating :(

Joseph
17-11-06, 16:40
Hot-plugging then? Make sure the printer is ON, then pull out its usb plug wait 3 seconds and put it back in.

Lord Icon
18-11-06, 00:16
I think that specific printer is not compatible with Vista. It will not work untill someone releases Vista drivers for it. Just my guess.

Joseph
21-11-06, 20:06
Update: Download the latest DirectX9.0c for Vista (version 10-10-2006). HERE (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2DA43D38-DB71-4C1B-BC6A-9B6652CD92A3&displaylang=en&Hash=Ih5ph3%2bXSvIofXsgmH2F9M7jKFy9lSq4T0ufgbFA6t0 tE4C9%2bUJf1sRmGlqPYyxg%2bZTZBiG0%2fWqEodeBc5xD0Q% 3d%3d). :tmb:

Apofiss
25-11-06, 11:51
Joseph, anyone;

I wonder how many programs are actually able to run on Vista without any bugs, AND which usual (like PS CS2 and alike) software still has no support? I would test on my laptop, but it lacks the minimum RAM requirements (Vista wouldn't load properly with 256MB RAM, now would it? :D )

As far as I know Vista (the final version 6.0...) was tested on PentiumM 1.8Ghz/512 MB DDRII/128 MB video - PS2 support/80GB HDD and surprisingly it ran really smoothly.

Joseph
25-11-06, 14:44
Good idea Apofiss. I did not bother yet to install programs like Office XP and Photoshop and Dreamweaver, because i will keep Windows XP for years as platform for those programs. But i'll test them. As far as I know Vista (the final version 6.0...) was tested on PentiumM 1.8Ghz/512 MB DDRII/128 MB video - PS2 support/80GB HDD and surprisingly it ran really smoothly.So it ran smoothly, but i guess it was without the Aero theme because that requires 1 GB of RAM.
What do you mean with "PS2 support"... Playstation 2 support? :confused:

Apofiss
25-11-06, 15:15
Good idea Apofiss. I did not bother yet to install programs like Office XP and Photoshop and Dreamweaver, because i will keep Windows XP for years as platform for those programs. But i'll test them.

So it ran smoothly, but i guess it was without the Aero theme because that requires 1 GB of RAM.
What do you mean with "PS2 support"... Playstation 2 support? :confused:

It wasn't mentioned, probably without Aero theme. PS as PixelShader (so it's DX9 card, luckily I have that in my laptop.. phew)

Seems I must get one 512MB DDRII module as I'm really not about to re-install everything I have on desktop, and probably 60% of all programs wouldn't run at all :D

ChineseDragon
25-12-06, 11:36
Saved my copy of Windows Vista Home Premium for EUR 20 today at Fujitsu Siemens' Vista Update Program. :D

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3681/vistaupuc6.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vistaupuc6.jpg)

Joseph
28-12-06, 13:50
Update. Latest Creative X-Fi Beta for Vista driver.

Download and install Creative X-Fi Beta for Vista driver (http://www.asia.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?MainCategory=209&nRegionFK=&nCountryFK=&nLanguageFK=&sOSName=Windows+Vista+32-bit&region=2&Product_Name=X-Fi+Platinum&Product_ID=14065&modelnumber=&driverlang=1033&OS=26&drivertype=0&x=22&y=10) v.2.13.0001 ---- Released 28 Dec 06
(see Release Notes (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1286781&postcount=142))

:tmb:

RT
02-02-07, 03:49
Joseph :tmb: !!!
Great job!!!
An excellent Vista overview, very helpful and informative!

A new Windows OS...It scares the hell out of me ;) :D

Been looking for an excuse to get a shiny new computer...all new hardware...probably a new house, might as well throw in a new car too....is it worth it? :)

(This may not be the place to ask, as it may have been addressed elsewhere but....I haven't seen it)

The question i haven't seen answered yet is :

Will the classic Tomb Raider (1 - 5) series and level editor run under Vista??

I assume AOD (maybe) and Legend and Anniversary will work, but we all recall the compatibility issues with the earlier games with XP at first.

If I'm off topic here just point the way...:whi:

Lord Icon
02-02-07, 03:53
I guess this thread (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=76616) would help you. It addresses Tomb Raider games and many other ones on Vista.

Lord Icon
02-02-07, 03:55
This is a cut from that thread:

Tomb Raider 1. Does not run at all. The problem is that ntvdm.exe in Vista has changed since Windows XP. Maybe 16-bit applications are not supported anymore; fact is that VDMSound 2.10 installs well, Advanced Installer installs TR1 with DgVoodoo, but the game refuses to run: with a "NTVDM.EXE: Hard Error" message.

Tomb Raider 2, 3, 4, 5 all work, of course with our updaters (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/windowsxp2.html) that are Vista-proof. :tmb:

Tomb Raider: Level Editor (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/vista/index.html) installs and runs excellently!

Tomb Raider demos (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/vista/index.html#) install and run excellently!

Tomb Raider: Angel Of Darkness. Excellent!

Tomb Raider: Legend. Excellently. Except that the ATI CatalystBeta for Vista is based on their August release which is 6.8 (?) which means the ugly shader and shadow corruption (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/ATI&#37;20Catalyst%206.8%20out.%20But%20Catalyst%206.3 %20still%20is%20the%20best%20for%20Legend..). For WindowsXP, this is solved in the latest Catalyst 6.11 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=78627) , so we may hopefully expect the final Vista Catalyst incorporates that fix as well.

All tested by Joseph.

RT
02-02-07, 04:05
Thanks Lord Icon :)

Just what I wanted to know

:ohn:

Lord Icon
02-02-07, 04:13
You welcome.

And if I were you I wouldn't worry too much about some small "glitches" especially with TR1 and Vista. If there is a way to make it work we'll find it.

Joseph
02-02-07, 04:49
Hey. Good morning Lord Icon :wve: RT :wve:


Yes we have the Tomb Raider Series XP/Vista Multi Patch (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/vista/patch.html)(TR 2, 3, 4, 5, LE and 6)
The more recent ATI Catalyst for Vista has been optimized for Legend! :) All colour- and shadercorruptions fixed! :tmb::)

RT
02-02-07, 23:16
Good morning. good afternoon and good night to you Joseph!

You be da fast patch man! :D

:tmb:

Joseph
02-02-07, 23:21
You should thank Simulation for the Multi Patch Installer, he created it! :tmb:

RT
02-02-07, 23:45
Thank you too, Simulation :)

http://www.micechat.com/forums/images/smilies/worship.gif

JANKERSON
05-02-07, 16:22
I have been reading that most people are buying the upgrade versions of Vista and trying to upgrade XP. :rolleyes:

They are finding out the hard way that Clean Installing is still the best way to install a Operating System. :vlol:

It's recommended that you get one of the full vers of Vista and Clean install it, or if the upgrade vers is purchased then choose clean install.

People are reporting upgrade install times over 4 hours along with other issues that come with upgrading an OS.

ben croft
05-02-07, 16:33
Wow, Joseph. Great job. :tmb: You rock!

:wve:

Joseph
05-02-07, 19:07
This Forum rocks, Ben! :tmb:

@JANKERSON: of course people buy the upgrade version, it's cheaper. Sadly, they use it to upgrade/update their XP which as you already pointed out, is the most unpractical inefficient and unreliable way to get an optimal running system! With an upgrade version you can clean install just the same as with the retail version.
When i buy it it will be the OEM version (for systembuilders, you get no support but i don't need any. :D).

JANKERSON
06-02-07, 04:33
@JANKERSON: of course people buy the upgrade version, it's cheaper. Sadly, they use it to upgrade/update their XP which as you already pointed out, is the most unpractical inefficient and unreliable way to get an optimal running system! With an upgrade version you can clean install just the same as with the retail version.
When i buy it it will be the OEM version (for systembuilders, you get no support but i don't need any. :D).

Yeah I know you can use the upgrade CD to clean install. :)

It is noteworthy to mention that with the OEM vers of Vista you can't change systems with it at all, once it's installed it is tied to that motherboard period, no exceptions. MS has tightened down with Vista.

That's the reason I got the Retail vers.

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 06:25
I really would love to get my hands on the Premium Edition of Vista. Looks awesome. :tmb:

Joseph
06-02-07, 12:27
Yeah I know you can use the upgrade CD to clean install. :)

It is noteworthy to mention that with the OEM vers of Vista you can't change systems with it at all, once it's installed it is tied to that motherboard period, no exceptions. MS has tightened down with Vista.

That's the reason I got the Retail vers.Yes i know that you know...:D just wanted to emphasize it again! Of course, the OEM version is tied to the motherboard, no problem i did that with XP as well. That's why i have bought XP 4 times, one upgrade version on my oldest PC (which had WinME). Would i buy the retail version Vista Ultimate, i would be set back 499 euro's, the OEM version 180 euros. :)

I really would love to get my hands on the Premium Edition of Vista. Looks awesome. :tmb:Yes but make sure your new PC is ready for it: 1GB system RAM at least and a fine videocard. Don't forget that Vista is not completely ready for gaming yet, performance in XP is still better and many applications that work on XP are not Vista compatible.

JANKERSON
06-02-07, 12:55
Yes i know that you know...:D just wanted to emphasize it again! Of course, the OEM version is tied to the motherboard, no problem i did that with XP as well. That's why i have bought XP 4 times, one upgrade version on my oldest PC (which had WinME). Would i buy the retail version Vista Ultimate, i would be set back 499 euro's, the OEM version 180 euros. :)




I too have bought XP Pro 4 times.

So if I need to build another PC then I would want to put Vista on it, sense I have enough XP Pro disks already I could reinstall XP back on the older machine. The Retail vers lets me do that. :)

Just thinking ahead. :D

Chug a Bug
06-02-07, 13:34
I bought the retail version of XP Pro Full Install but I bought it 2nd hand. It cost me slightly more than the Upgrade version of XP Home, but I've installed it on 4 separate PC's (not all at the same time obviously.) I imported it from the US as they're cheaper over there: you can't buy it from a retailer because Microdaft won't allow it but auction, well thats a different matter. I'll probably do the same thing with Vista eventually, when I'm reluctantly dragged kicking and screaming to it.

So, I've only had to buy it once and I believe it's worked out cheaper.

I really would love to get my hands on the Premium Edition of Vista. Looks awesome. :tmb:

Aye, it looks pretty enough. I have my eyes on the Ultimate edition... if I'm forced to go Vista, and I will, eventually, I may as well go the whole hog. :rolleyes:

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 15:17
I might purchase the OEM of Vista. It's cheaper. :tmb: What is OEM anyways? And, Why does it have to be stuck to the motherboard? (If you get my drift...) :p

Chug a Bug
06-02-07, 15:30
OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacture. It's a special licence released from Microsoft thats intended for System Builders i.e. volume building PC assemblers such as, Dell, for instance. In other words its intended for PC's that are assembled and sold "as new". Thats why it's tied to the motherboard - if the motherboard is changed its assumed to be a "new" PC and the licence will no longer work - it's one licence, one PC.

Sometimes some sellers will sell OEM copies to retail customers but it's frowned upon by Microsoft as it's supposed to be supplied with new hardware i.e. a new PC - some get around this by supplying a small hardware component along with it such a USB cable for instance.

Retail Version copies are just that - sold openly in stores in a pretty box - and you pay for the privilege. But it can be transferred from one PC to another unlike OEM - but it's only licenced for use in one PC at any one time.

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 15:35
OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacture. It's a special licence released from Microsoft thats intended for System Builders i.e. volume building PC assemblers such as, Dell, for instance. In other words its intended for PC's that are assembled and sold "as new". Thats why it's tied to the motherboard - if the motherboard is changed its assumed to be a "new" PC and the licence will no longer work - it's one licence, one PC.

Sometimes some sellers will sell OEM copies to retail customers but it's frowned upon by Microsoft as it's supposed to be supplied with new hardware i.e. a new PC - some get around this by supplying a small hardware component along with it such a USB cable for instance.

Retail Version copies are just that - sold openly in stores in a pretty box - and you pay for the privilege. But it can be transferred from one PC to another unlike OEM - but it's only licenced for use in one PC at any one time.

If I'm just using Vista for Vista, is the OEM a good choice to buy? As, I'm only using it for this PC. :p

Chug a Bug
06-02-07, 16:00
Vista for Vista? :confused:

The only difference to the Retail versions is the price: it's by far and away the cheapest way to buy Vista. That and the fact that it's limited to one PC only. Other than that, it's the same.

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 16:02
Vista for Vista? :confused:

The only difference to the Retail versions is the price: it's by far and away the cheapest way to buy Vista. That and the fact that it's limited to one PC only. Other than that, it's the same.

Cool. :tmb: Nevermind about Vista for Vista. :p I think I'll purchase the Home Premium version of Vista in OEM. :D

Chug a Bug
06-02-07, 16:14
This is one of the best prices I've seen so far for the 32-bit edition.:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=25044981432&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=123052

Don't forget to check if your hardware is capable of running Vista.

Edit: one other important thing I forgot to mention: OEM versions will NOT upgrade existing OS installs: it will only install from scratch. So if you simply MUST upgrade an existing install rather than format and install from scratch OEM is not for you. Sorry I forgot to mention it earlier.

Edit 2: Seems you can upgrade with after all. Woot! You can also create a dual boot.

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 16:25
This is one of the best prices I've seen so far:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=25044981432&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=123052

Don't forget to check if your hardware is capable of running Vista.

Edit: one other important thing I forgot to mention: OEM versions will NOT upgrade existing OS installs: it will only install from scratch. So if you simply MUST upgrade an existing install rather than format and install from scratch OEM is not for you. Sorry I forgot to mention it earlier.

I don't understand. I would like to install Vista like fully. Like clean wipe from XP. No XP files ever left, have my full 160GB back on my harddrive. etc. Is that what you mean? :)

Chug a Bug
06-02-07, 16:45
Yes then thats fine. :tmb:

Lara Lover
06-02-07, 18:08
Yes then thats fine. :tmb:

Thank you so much, Chug a Bug. :tmb: :hug:

JANKERSON
07-02-07, 01:55
I might purchase the OEM of Vista. It's cheaper. :tmb: What is OEM anyways? And, Why does it have to be stuck to the motherboard? (If you get my drift...) :p


IF you try and move it to another PC (motherboard) it won't activate and you won't ever beable to use it.

Joseph
07-02-07, 02:00
Plus you'll get NO support from Microsoft; you'll have to do with us. :(



Edit: that is -as far as i'm concerned- when i have it myself (instead of my RC2) and i haven't planned to buy it anytime soon.

jaywalker
08-02-07, 14:45
Joseph,

As far as i know i think all TR editions are available in Games Explorer (thanks to MS's look up table system)

Just a shame TR1 no longer works

JANKERSON
10-02-07, 15:27
Well I have been running it for awhile now and have had no issues and everything that I run works. :)

abraham
16-02-07, 02:46
i dont need to go back on xp for coding:jmp:

nvidia finally have proper opengl support for vista

Joseph
20-02-07, 13:46
Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price
(Source: http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1 (http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1))

By Brian Livingston
Many people are upset by the fact that the economical, "upgrade" version of Vista won't accept a Windows XP or Windows 2000 CD-ROM as proof of ownership. Vista Upgrade is said to install only to a hard disk that already has XP or 2000 on it.

But I've tested a method that allows you to clean-install the Vista upgrade version on any hard drive, with no prior XP or W2K installation — or even a CD — required.

Save by avoiding the 'full' version

Windows Vista, in my opinion, is a big improvement over Windows XP in many ways. But the new operating system is distinctly overpriced.

The list price of the "full" (not "upgrade") version of the most expensive edition, Vista Ultimate, is $399.95 USD, with a street price around $380. That gold-plated retail figure is only possible because Microsoft long ago achieved monopoly pricing power in the PC operating system market.

Most computer users would prefer to keep using an older version of Windows, such as XP, rather than paying the inflated prices for the "full" version of Vista. To encourage switching to a new OS, Microsoft has historically offered a lower, "upgrade" price to people who can prove that they've previously purchased an older copy of Windows.

The difference between Vista's full and upgrade prices can be substantial. Based on the asking prices shown at Shopping.com on Jan. 31 — the day after the consumer version of Vista became available — the four most popular Vista versions will set you back approximately as follows:

Edition Full versionUpgrade version Vista Home Basic$192$100 ($92 less)Vista Home Premium$228$156 ($72 less)Vista Business$285$192 ($93 less)Vista Ultimate$380$225 ($155 less)
The upgrade versions of Vista have street prices that are 32% to 48% cheaper than the full versions. If you're truly installing Vista over an old instance of XP or W2K, the upgrade version of Vista will find the older OS on your hard drive and install without question. The problem is that Vista, unlike every version of Windows in the past, doesn't let you insert a physical disc from an older operating system as evidence of your previous purchase.

Vista has an undocumented feature, however, that actually allows you to "clean install" Vista to a hard disk that has no prior copy of XP or W2K.

Use Vista's 'upgrade' version to clean-install

The secret is that the setup program in Vista's upgrade version will accept an installed copy of XP, W2K, or an unactivated copy of Vista itself as evidence of a previous installation.

This enables you to "clean install" an upgrade version of Vista to any formatted or unformatted hard drive, which is usually the preferred method when installing any new operating system. You must, in essence, install Vista twice to take advantage of this trick. But Vista installs much faster than XP, so it's quicker than installing XP followed by Vista to get the upgrade price.

Before you install Vista on a machine that you don't know is 100% compatible, you should run Microsoft's free Upgrade Advisor. This program — which operates only on 32-bit versions of XP and Vista (plus Vista Enterprise) — reports to you on any hardware or software it finds that may be incompatible with Vista. See Microsoft's Upgrade Advisor page (http://windowssecrets.com/links/$P20d/983c85h/).

Also, to see which flavors of XP Home, XP Pro, and 2000 officially support in-place installs and clean installs of the different Vista editions, see Microsoft's upgrade paths page (http://windowssecrets.com/links/$P20d/e41f9bh/).

Here's a simplified overview of the steps that are required to clean-install the upgrade version of Vista:

Step 1. Boot the PC from the Vista DVD.

Step 2. Select "Install Now," but do not enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Leave the input box blank. Also, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online. In the next dialog box that appears, confirm that you really do want to install Vista without entering a Product Key.

Step 3. Correctly indicate the version of Vista that you're installing: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate.

Step 4. Select the "Custom (Advanced)" install, not the "Upgrade" install.

Step 5. Vista copies files at length and reboots itself one or more times. Wait for the install to complete. At this point, you might think that you could "activate" Vista, but you can't. That's because you haven't installed the Vista upgrade yet. To do that, run the DVD's setup.exe program again, but this time from the Vista desktop. The easiest way to start setup again is to eject and then reinsert the DVD.

Step 6. Click "Install Now." Select Do not get the latest updates for installation. (You can check for these updates later.)

Step 7. This time, do enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Once again, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online.

Step 8. On this second install, make sure to select "Upgrade," not "Custom (Advanced)." You're not doing a clean install now, you're upgrading to Vista.

Step 9. Wait while Vista copies files and reboots itself. No user interaction is required. Do not boot from the DVD when asked if you'd like to do so. Instead, wait a few seconds and the setup process will continue on its way. Some DOS-like, character-mode menus will appear, but don't interact with them. After a few seconds, the correct choice will run for you automatically.

Step 10. After you click a button labeled Start in the Thank You dialog box, Vista's login screen will eventually appear. Enter the username and password that you selected during the first install. You're done upgrading to Vista.

Step 11. Within 30 days, you must "activate" your copy of Vista or it'll lose functionality. To activate Vista, click Show more details in the Welcome Center that automatically displays upon each boot-up, then click Activate Windows now. If you've dismissed the Welcome Center, access the correct dialog box by clicking Start, Control Panel, System & Maintenance, System. If you purchased a legitimate copy of Vista, it should quickly activate over the Internet. (You can instead activate by calling Microsoft on the phone, which avoids your PC exchanging information with Microsoft's server.)

I'm not going into detail today on the merits of buying Vista at retail instead of buying a cheaper OEM copy. (The OEM offerings don't entitle you to call Microsoft for support, while the retail packages do.) Also, I'm not touching here on the least-expensive way to buy Vista, which is to take advantage of Microsoft's "educational" rate. I'll describe both of these topics in next week's newsletter.

Why does Vista's secret setup exist?

It's reasonable for us to ask ourselves whether buying an upgrade version of Vista, and then installing it to an empty hard disk that contains no previous version of Windows, is ethical.

I believe it is. Microsoft itself created the upgrade process. The company designed Vista to support upgrading it over a previously installed copy of XP, W2K Pro, or Vista itself. This isn't a black-hat hacker exploit. It's something that's been deliberately programmed into the approved setup routine.

Microsoft spent years developing and testing Vista. This upgrade trick must have been known to many, many people within the development team. Either Microsoft planned this upgrade path all along, knowing that computer magazines and newsletters (like this one) would widely publicize a way to "save money buying Vista." Or else some highly placed coders within the Vista development team decided that Vista's "full" price was too high and that no one should ever have to pay it. In either case, Vista's setup.exe is Microsoft's official install routine, and I see no problem with using it exactly as it was designed.

We should also think about whether instances of Vista that were installed using the clean-install method will continue to operate. I believe that this method will continue to be present in Vista DVDs at least until Microsoft begins distributing the Service Pack 1 edition of Vista around fall 2007. Changing the routine in the millions of DVDs that are now in circulation would simply be too wrenching. And trying to remotely disable instances of Vista that were clean-installed — even if it were technically possible to distinguish them — would generate too many tech-support calls and too much ill will to make it worthwhile.

Installing the upgrade version of Vista, but not installing over an existing instance of XP or W2K, probably violates the Vista EULA (end-user license agreement). If you're a business executive, I wouldn't recommend that you flout any Windows license provisions just to save money.
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