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illuminati30
31-10-06, 12:35
Firstly! It is now clear! This game is not a Tomb Raider remake! :(
Inspired by the first Tomb Raider videogame, originally released in 1996, LARA CROFT TOMB RAIDER: ANNIVERSARY is a totally new 2006 adventure for Lara, faithfully preserving the elements which made the original Tomb Raider such a classic, selling over 7 million copies worldwide.
Well first off, its a 2007 adventure, not 06. Is it really using the technology of 2007?
How can it be a new adventure? I don’t mind this if the whole game is there, and they add bits, but I really hope they don’t change things. Sadly, a graphical upgrade from PS1 to PS2 is not enough of a graphical difference, therefore they have to change everything, and make it ‘innovative’. Is anyone else a bit worried about this? Tomb Raider Legendised?
"Over the years we have had literally thousands of requests to re-make the original Tomb Raider for today's gamer, we have gone a step further, we have taken the original story and made a completely new version for Tomb Raider: Anniversary." said Kathryn Clements, Senior Brand Manager, Eidos.
OK, so there have been many requests for a remake, why not just do that then? :( What is meant by a completely new version? New locations? New Legend involved story line? New graphics? (Yeah, only just) New music? New .......... outfits! :yik:
"We are re-telling an incredible story using today's technology, we've taken all of the key moments from the original game and put them into the context of a brand new Tomb Raider adventure which will make fans of the franchise extremely happy but also attract a completely new audience."
I can’t help but feel if this game was out a few years back, when current gen was newish, people would have loved a graphical upgrade. Also, if AE was coming to next gen, there would be no need to change the game, as the graphical upgrade would be vast. Jump from PS1 to PS2 is not enough, so we need a brand new Tomb Raider adventure!
See here:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=77296
Maybe this a valid argument! Maybe it is not! But!
"We've captured the essence of what made the original game so special and with today's technology, created a game that pushes the boundaries of the current gaming consoles”
How is that done then? Lovely graphical locations, nice looking water effects, lighting effects, movie sound track music, with superb physics puzzles, and as little interaction as possible with environments and a linear path, with your character doing as many crazy moves as possible, to bring it 'up to date', including jumping around like a monkey man prince, using a grapple, and going into bullet time over the heads of enemies.
They may as well call it 'Tomb Raider: The illusion of time'. You thought it was 1996, no its actually 2007. Lara can now go back to that period and change everything, and say 'that didnt happen, no no no, thats not how the story went'. Find the dagger of time, and use it to manipulate enemies killing them in slow motion, reverse time, run up walls, and grapple huge jumps.
And now today we have confirmation that the sound track is being changed, and will include electronica!
I am away to cry quietly in a corner!
My advise to them: Scrap the anniversary idea. Delay this game. Bring it to next gen. Make it a game for PS3, because God knows it needs a killer release day title. Lets face it, you have missed the anniversay slot anyway, and nobody actually really cares about it anyway. Yep, bring it to next gen, and change nothing about the original game. Work it to todays standards. TR remake should have happened at the time of the RE remake. You are far too late for this now.
interstellardave
31-10-06, 13:28
As is my nature, I will remain optimistic. As I've said many times, working intimately (not just seeing, or playing) with the original game may be the best way to help CD "get it", with regards to what Tomb Raider is all about. If it stinks, I will be disappointed, but only for a short time. If I obssess over it for months leading up to it--thinking only the worst--then I'll have months of disappointment, which could be for no good reason.
So, happy-go-lucky now and, when the game comes out, we'll see... ;)
I do understand how you have interpreted the quotes but I am holding onto the shread of optimism that it will be close to a remake. I think the comments made about AE are a little vague and it would be easy to read it the way you have. These can easily be misconstrued. As for scrapping the AE idea that would probably start a riot lol.
Crofty_Tomb
31-10-06, 13:32
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
No remake of TR1????? THIS IS CONFUSING!!! 2 DIFFERENT TR STORIES?
Peyn_OTHfan
31-10-06, 13:35
I never really believed it was going to be a remake. It will simply be a game based on the story of TR1 and levels based on the TR levels. No actual resemblance which satisfies me. :)
o0o yes it is in fact a remake. Read the thread with ign interview. Also look @ the photoediting thread as well. that is not a coincidence.
illuminati30
31-10-06, 13:43
As is my nature, I will remain optimistic. As I've said many times, working intimately (not just seeing, or playing) with the original game may be the best way to help CD "get it", with regards to what Tomb Raider is all about. If it stinks, I will be disappointed, but only for a short time. If I obssess over it for months leading up to it--thinking only the worst--then I'll have months of disappointment, which could be for no good reason.
So, happy-go-lucky now and, when the game comes out, we'll see... ;)
True! True!
<Takes a deep breath>
I wont be obsessing over this, because i now know it will basically be legandised! My interest has gone!
illuminati30
31-10-06, 13:47
o0o yes it is in fact a remake. Read the thread with ign interview. Also look @ the photoediting thread as well. that is not a coincidence.
hmmm i don't really mean it as hard and fast as this. I guess my title is misleading.
KurtisLonely
31-10-06, 13:47
I don't understand it anymore, like Croft_Tomb said; 2 DIFFERENT TR STORIES? they REALLY shouldn't change anything from the story, but they should only change the graphics and those things...
Well if they had just remade it, only updating the graphics most people would have critised it saying, but it is boring we already know everything in the game, so they add in a few new moves, change some of the environments to take advantage of these moves, add a bit of extra equipment that although she had in the original we had never used in game (grapple, motorbike etc). Its still a remake, but wait there's more, what if they added in some of the areas they could not put in the original due to the constraints of the technology, perhaps change a few areas they would have done different if they could have, or completely drop a level altogether....Its no longer a remake, now it is more like a new game, inspired and based on the original, but no longer really classed as a remake. Update the AI on a few creatures add in a few suprises, perhaps give a bit more background on some of the characters to fill the story out a bit and you have an updated game that hopefully most people will be happy with. Just an assumption on my part true, l was never really expecting them to do just a remake, but l trust Toby Gard not to stuff up a game that was his concept in the first place
interstellardave
31-10-06, 13:51
Nowhere does it say that the story is changing--or did I miss that?
Night Crawler
31-10-06, 13:53
It is hard to make out exactly what they mean by that, but all we can do is wait and see, they're not gonna completly trash the original now are they?
My views:
I think it's SAFER for them *not* to do a remake. If they mess up one of the most beloved games of all time- poop will hit the fan.
Things point to a remake - like the shot of the Lost Valley, and also of Livingston's "Fans have asked for a remake" speech.
Also the "We've taken Key Moments from the original" and the "Essence" and made this game, etc - so that implies it will have PARTS of the original in (*perhaps* not the whole thing) and the Essence. Well, there's no complaint from me yet - if the atmosphere is there and some cool moments, and they're not claiming it to be an actual remake, then I don't mind.
Basic story should still be the same, Natla hires Lara to find the scion, Lara finds out Natla is an enemy and ends up fighting her in Atlantis. How many levels we end up with between start and finish remains to be seen. It should be at least as long as the original, but if they add some new levels they might take out some of the old, not quite so popular ones. Personally l would not miss it if half of Natla's mines vanished
i would @ least like them to add a few lvls ou know because we already know what will happen. They will add p[uzzles I have a feeling about it. Who will be the voice of Lara Croft inAE?
Crofty_Tomb
31-10-06, 13:58
I'm confused but I'm still getting it.. The Lost Valley pic was just..:cln:
lol i know right. I cant wait for it. but i hope they take their time and make the game perfect. riv you know they cant take out the dinosaurs.
My views:
I think it's SAFER for them *not* to do a remake. If they mess up one of the most beloved games of all time- poop will hit the fan.
Things point to a remake - like the shot of the Lost Valley, and also of Livingston's "Fans have asked for a remake" speech.
Also the "We've taken Key Moments from the original" and the "Essence" and made this game, etc - so that implies it will have PARTS of the original in (*perhaps* not the whole thing) and the Essence. Well, there's no complaint from me yet - if the atmosphere is there and some cool moments, and they're not claiming it to be an actual remake, then I don't mind.
totally agree with that,my opinion on the whole thing is
*same story as in 1996 (that's a given).
*a couple of updated levels but significantly different so oldies don't know what to expect.
*NEW levels (replacing what they don't include).
*the ending will tie in with Legend (maybe)
in short,Crystal Dynamic's version was never intended to be a pure 100% remake. if the game is good, i'll buy it...if not i wont...simple as. :jmp:
My views:
I think it's SAFER for them *not* to do a remake. If they mess up one of the most beloved games of all time- poop will hit the fan.That's a good point...you wouldn't want to ruin a masterpiece :D as you said this does allow them too play it safe as they would have a very high standard to achieve interpreting the original game.
Crofty_Tomb
31-10-06, 14:13
Nowhere does it say that the story is changing--or did I miss that?
In the beginning of this thread EIDOSsays that something aboiut the change of the story.. (Why change it? It's an anniversary not a NEW game) Right?
tomb_raider_roks
31-10-06, 14:19
im not worried its still tomb raider if u like tomb raider games enough you will apreiciate the re-make im just happy theres a new tomb raider put it this way would u rather have a re-make or nothing ? =o
I personally would find it very boring if it was strictly a graphical update of the original. I am glad that they are retaining the essence but making a new adventure.
I agree with Dave that we will just have to wait and see. If it turns out to be something that you feel will really disappoint you then the perfect solution is to not buy it.
interstellardave
31-10-06, 14:22
In the beginning of this thread EIDOSsays that something aboiut the change of the story.. (Why change it? It's an anniversary not a NEW game) Right?
They said they're taking the original story and making a whole new adventure... so, the story remains essentially the same (and you can tell that from the IGN article) but the game built around that story will be different in some aspects. The information we have is too vague right now to really tell one way or the other though.
That first screenshot is killer though! Looks like the entrance to the Lost Valley to me--and that means that the Legend engine can handle wide-open spaces just fine (which some doubted). :D
Bullethail
31-10-06, 14:23
Huh. Well, fine with me!
they will most likely change the levels around and add new stuff considering the ae lara will have legends moves so they will add alot of platforms to jump and poles to swing and things to use the grapple with. so its gonna be the tr1 story but the actual gameplay will be remade to suit the new lara.
george_croft
31-10-06, 15:22
Well they cant make a copy of tr1, they will have to change somethings:o
Well if they had just remade it, only updating the graphics most people would have critised it saying, but it is boring we already know everything in the game, so they add in a few new moves, change some of the environments to take advantage of these moves, add a bit of extra equipment that although she had in the original we had never used in game (grapple, motorbike etc). Its still a remake, but wait there's more, what if they added in some of the areas they could not put in the original due to the constraints of the technology, perhaps change a few areas they would have done different if they could have, or completely drop a level altogether....Its no longer a remake, now it is more like a new game, inspired and based on the original, but no longer really classed as a remake. Update the AI on a few creatures add in a few suprises, perhaps give a bit more background on some of the characters to fill the story out a bit and you have an updated game that hopefully most people will be happy with. Just an assumption on my part true, l was never really expecting them to do just a remake, but l trust Toby Gard not to stuff up a game that was his concept in the first place
I believe this too. It will be a remake, but not exactly like the first game, but based on.
they will most likely change the levels around and add new stuff considering the ae lara will have legends moves so they will add alot of platforms to jump and poles to swing and things to use the grapple with. so its gonna be the tr1 story but the actual gameplay will be remade to suit the new lara.
Hopefully with some of her old moves though - big jumps - which looks quite possible judging by the gap between the edges of the bridge in the screenshot, and I know lots would like to see the 180degree roll, and backwards hop.
:tmb:
illuminati30
31-10-06, 15:51
Hopefully with some of her old moves though - big jumps - which looks quite possible judging by the gap between the edges of the bridge in the screenshot, and I know lots would like to see the 180degree roll, and backwards hop.
:tmb:
Unless she uses a grapple half way across :(
interstellardave
31-10-06, 15:54
Hopefully with some of her old moves though - big jumps - which looks quite possible judging by the gap between the edges of the bridge in the screenshot, and I know lots would like to see the 180degree roll, and backwards hop.
:tmb:
What screenshot is this??? I thought all we had so far was that "entrance to the Lost Valley" shot? :confused:
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:02
What screenshot is this??? I thought all we had so far was that "entrance to the Lost Valley" shot? :confused:
You can see the bridge Dave. It is more clear when it has been photoshoped.
We're shafted... *gets depressed and goes off to find her old friend Gin Bottle...*
Fine - some new innovations on the classic TR1 theme I would quite welcome but keeping in spirit with the original game (nice big jumps, nice big levels, lots of exploration etc etc) - but you KNOW it's going to be Legend Mk II. If this is the case and they are going to 'Legendify' TR1, I'd rather they leave it well alone and concentrate on ruining TR8, to be quite honest...
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:04
We're shafted... *gets depressed and goes off to find her old friend Gin Bottle...*
Fine - some new innovations on the classic TR1 theme I would quite welcome but keeping in spirit with the original game (nice big jumps, nice big levels, lots of exploration etc etc) - but you KNOW it's going to be Legend Mk II. If this is the case and they are going to 'Legendify' TR1, I'd rather they leave it well alone and concentrate on ruining TR8, to be quite honest...
LOL!
Well i am glad someone agrees :D I will give it a try, but i am not feeling confident!
Catlantean
31-10-06, 16:05
They might modify the level design to make use of Lara's new moves (climbing walls, rope swinging etc), but I really hope that's all. When I come back to the Lost Valley or Atlantis I want to recognize them as such, not see totally different levels with the same name.
interstellardave
31-10-06, 16:06
We're shafted... *gets depressed and goes off to find her old friend Gin Bottle...*
Fine - some new innovations on the classic TR1 theme I would quite welcome but keeping in spirit with the original game (nice big jumps, nice big levels, lots of exploration etc etc) - but you KNOW it's going to be Legend Mk II. If this is the case and they are going to 'Legendify' TR1, I'd rather they leave it well alone and concentrate on ruining TR8, to be quite honest...
We agree on a lot of things, Elysia, but not this. We simply don't "know" that it will be Legendified! That's an assumption which will continue to be fueled on this forum until it's either proved or disproved. Negativity reigns on this board, but why not be positive until we find out for sure? You'll feel better! ;)
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:11
We agree on a lot of things, Elysia, but not this. We simply don't "know" that it will be Legendified! That's an assumption which will continue to be fueled on this forum until it's either proved or disproved. Negativity reigns on this board, but why not be positive until we find out for sure? You'll feel better! ;)
If i am positive about it, i will just be disappointed, but i am negative, i won't be lol
It says Tomb Raider with the Legend engine so i am just trying to think about what that will mean. Before Legend came out, there were things about the game i did not like, but i choose to ignore them because i was just excited about the game. I don't wanna fall into that again!
We agree on a lot of things, Elysia, but not this. We simply don't "know" that it will be Legendified! That's an assumption which will continue to be fueled on this forum until it's either proved or disproved. Negativity reigns on this board, but why not be positive until we find out for sure? You'll feel better! ;)
*Wallows in her own melancholy*
No I won't... :p
I'm actually feeling very down about the future of TR right now, I have to admit. I just can't see them changing this formula... to me, this is a sneaky way of 'erasing' Core's original work. I just don't see it as a loving homage - it feels like they're trying to usurp everything we know and love about TR1.... *weeps*
I've had my heart broken twice now - I don't think I could stand to get it broken again. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than bitterly disappointed again!
From the IGN article...
Eidos promises a completely remade game with new puzzles with "physics driven solutions."
"Physics driven solutions"... we all know what that means! Not more bloody crates and pressure pads... *sobs*
we've taken all of the key moments from the original game and put them into the context of a brand new Tomb Raider adventure
...... WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! *sobs uncontrollably*
interstellardave
31-10-06, 16:20
Well, Tomb Raider 1 will always be the best Tomb Raider game to me. It will remain so until it is surpassed (which, I will admit, I doubt very much). But hope springs eternal! Who knows why Legend was the way it was? But AE might turn out to be a different beast altogether... and remember, they said Legend would be for "everyone"... and it was, in a sense. Everyone could play it and like it... just not Love it. They are saying that AE is for the fans. I can only assume that that means the die-hard people who were there at the begining... if they keep us in mind they might achieve our higher expectations for this project.
Well, Tomb Raider 1 will always be the best Tomb Raider game to me. It will remain so until it is surpassed (which, I will admit, I doubt very much). But hope springs eternal! Who knows why Legend was the way it was? But AE might turn out to be a different beast altogether... and remember, they said Legend would be for "everyone"... and it was, in a sense. Everyone could play it and like it... just not Love it. They are saying that AE is for the fans. I can only assume that that means the die-hard people who were there at the begining... if they keep us in mind they might achieve our higher expectations for this project.
Oh, 'dave, massage my broken dreams with those wonderfully tantalising words of hope again.... ;)
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:25
Well, Tomb Raider 1 will always be the best Tomb Raider game to me. It will remain so until it is surpassed (which, I will admit, I doubt very much). But hope springs eternal! Who knows why Legend was the way it was? But AE might turn out to be a different beast altogether... and remember, they said Legend would be for "everyone"... and it was, in a sense. Everyone could play it and like it... just not Love it. They are saying that AE is for the fans. I can only assume that that means the die-hard people who were there at the begining... if they keep us in mind they might achieve our higher expectations for this project.
I suppose so! They are cruel providing us with so little details!
Oh, 'dave, massage my broken dreams with those wonderfully tantalising words of hope again.... ;)
LOL!
interstellardave
31-10-06, 16:29
Oh, 'dave, massage my broken dreams with those wonderfully tantalising words of hope again.... ;)
I'm good for providing uplifting thoughts, LOL! Just don't call me on it if you negative-Nellies turn out to be right and AE stinks! I'll have to take a vacation from this forum!
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:30
I'm good for providing uplifting thoughts, LOL! Just don't call me on it if you negative-Nellies turn out to be right and AE stinks! I'll have to take a vacation from this forum!
Or we could find the game utterly brilliant! Still possible :D
Then how would you explain the Lost Valley level? Yes it's a Remake with different puzzles and levels with the same story of Lara finding the Scion.
illuminati30
31-10-06, 16:40
Then how would you explain the Lost Valley level? Yes it's a Remake with different puzzles and levels with the same story of Lara finding the Scion.
Again, i don't mean it as hard and fast as this. Yes i know its a remake, but they are saying it is a new adventure, therefore, i know it is a remake, but i dont think its a full one.
Again, i don't mean it as hard and fast as this. Yes i know its a remake, but they are saying it is a new adventure, therefore, i know it is a remake, but i dont think its a full one.
"We are re-telling an incredible story using today's technology, we've taken all of the key moments from the original game and put them into the context of a brand new Tomb Raider adventure."
Well think about it, remaking TR1 entirely would be quite difficult because it would have to be the same game engine as the classics used (i.e. Tomb Raider Level Editor) with updated graphics. So I guess what they are doing is using the main design for each level but adding a few things here and there from the Legend level system.
I think we can't take everything that they say literaly... These texts are made to be pretty and let people excited about a product, so for now we just need to wait...
We need to wait and see what they REALLY do before getting too freaked out. I know they disappointed a bunch of us old school lovers of the game with legend, but we don't know what they'll do to TR1. I am scared, don't get me wrong, but we can't condemn them until we see if CD screws up the game or not. The writing isn't ALL on the wall... YET! :mis:
*starts stock piling supplies to overthrow CD and eidos the moment they DO screw up the AE* http://www.storagebin.us/smilies/smilies/evil1.gif
Tomb Raider Jay
31-10-06, 17:10
Once again I must add some positive thoughts to this forum, :D
Firstly I am glad it's not a complete re-make, there's no point because Legend fans would have been annoyed that everything was 'old skool' - and what's the point of introducing new abilities and gameplay mechanics in one game (Legend) then completely disregarding them in the next? That's really quite bizarre to be honest! :confused:
Instead Eidos are trying to keep both Legend and old skool TR fans happy by re-telling the originals story, revisiting those old tombs BUT including some new and innovative gameplay ideas like swinging on poles, using Lara's grapple and solving some (probably) new puzzle designs for todays market :)
I certainly don't want to be pushing huge blocks around and solving the same puzzles from 10 years ago but all in a nice, new graphical package, that's Eidos getting money for nothing!! :hea:
It's a great idea to mix things up, you never know it could improve TR!
And just because Legend wasn't to everyones taste doesn't mean that the features of the game wouldn't be well suited to another TR game, surely?
I see it like this: the Lara Croft TR: Anniversary game is a trip down memory lane, but one that will excite new players as well as old skool TR fans thanks to the originals story and level designs and Legends gameplay mechanics! :tmb:
There's only been one screen shot and a small press release from Eidos and some people aren't even going to give this game a chance..... how very sad :(
Maybe what they mean is: our engine isn't capable of everything that is seen in TR1 so instead we've added... SWINGY POLES!! wooooo!!!
:ton:
I read on google news about them using "An updated version of the engine used in Tomb Raider: Legend". Can't find the article now..
interstellardave
31-10-06, 17:19
I read on google news about them using "An updated version of the engine used in Tomb Raider: Legend". Can't find the article now..
Yeah, that's what they said... besides, the old one is capable of TR1, I'm sure. People keep going way overboard with criticisms at this point.
Yeah, that's what they said... besides, the old one is capable of TR1, I'm sure. People keep going way overboard with criticisms at this point.
ohh come on, you know I was only joking...:ton:
interstellardave
31-10-06, 17:24
ohh come on, you know I was only joking...:ton:
'tis alright... ;)
The one major complaint with TRL was that it was too short. If they stick to the TR1 story it can't be that short.
The other major complaint was that it was too easy. Well IMO Tr1 was easy so how they do on that we will have to wait and see. The mention of physics based puzzles seem to imply that they will put at least a new slant on things.
I for one am optimistic and excited.
Laras Backpack
31-10-06, 17:31
I think one of the problems with having so little information is that we tend to over-analyse every little detail and blow it all out of proportion.
Don't get me wrong- I am anxious about the remake due to some of Legend's failings- once bitten, twice shy ;) But seriously, I'm ambivalent. One screen shot and a statement written by Eidos' PR department is just not enough to go on for me. I am curious to see what has been added and what has been changed but I'm not going to jump to conclusions or get all pessimistic until I have something solid to discuss. :)
We should also remember that statement has come from Eidos' PR department about an as yet unfinished game. I'm not saying ignore it, but PR departments in general are notorious for spin. It emphasises the 'new' but is also full of buzz words, vague remarks and platitudes.
So I'm wary, definitely, but I don't think it's a good idea to go beyond speculation and start criticising until we have seen more.
Ada the Mental
31-10-06, 18:14
I think one of the problems with having so little information is that we tend to over-analyse every little detail and blow it all out of proportion.
Don't get me wrong- I am anxious about the remake due to some of Legend's failings- once bitten, twice shy ;) But seriously, I'm ambivalent. One screen shot and a statement written by Eidos' PR department is just not enough to go on for me. I am curious to see what has been added and what has been changed but I'm not going to jump to conclusions or get all pessimistic until I have something solid to discuss. :)
We should also remember that statement has come from Eidos' PR department about an as yet unfinished game. I'm not saying ignore it, but PR departments in general are notorious for spin. It emphasises the 'new' but is also full of buzz words, vague remarks and platitudes.
So I'm wary, definitely, but I don't think it's a good idea to go beyond speculation and start criticising until we have seen more.
Agreeeeeeed.......:tmb:
We should keep away from over excitement to prevent another let-down,but going on the other side and condemning somethng you've not played is equally bad.
i agreed complettely with u...:)
I bet there will be a bajillion merc clones running around.
some dressed up as dinosaurs and some dressed up as crocs.
The mention of physics based puzzles seem to imply that they will put at least a new slant on things.
Agreed. IMO it would be pretty stupid to recreate every level in TR1 exactly as it appeared in the old game engine considering the huge advances that have been made in graphics and gaming physics.
Having the same/very similar layout and aims in the levels - but employing new tricks, moves and 'objects' (whether physical objects or puzzles) to put a new slant on the classic game - sounds pretty good fun :)
I for one am optimistic and excited.
Same :D I said it for Legend too; and even though I have a few gripes with it overall it turned out pretty good :) The same should hold true for Anniversary.
I'd rather be cheerfully optimistic and be bowled over, than be really grumpy and be vindicated ;).
Oh and LOL about the merc clones running around in dinosaur outfits :vlol: Barney better watch out :p
I bet there will be a bajillion merc clones running around.
some dressed up as dinosaurs and some dressed up as crocs.
I wonder if they'll be worth different points depending which outfit they wear... :vlol:
da tomb raider!
31-10-06, 19:36
I didn't want to see a dumbed-down, seedy, easy, un-challenging, boring so-called re-make of a classic Tomb Raider game anyway. Some people don't know when to make a game, and when to make money.
You people sure do have alot of time on your hands to be speculating and overreacting to the little news we have about this game.
You people sure do have alot of time on your hands to be speculating and overreacting to the little news we have about this game.
so me coming on here for five minutes to type one thing is a lot of time? your life is pretty transient.
so me coming on here for five minutes to type one thing is a lot of time? you're life is pretty transient.
I didnt say that, but the fact that there are so many people "fighting" against eachother about something that isn't even there yet is a little sad.
da tomb raider!
31-10-06, 20:01
I've gotta say, talking about one pathetic screenshot for a game which will be released God-knows when is kinda weird. But go ahead and have fun.
:wve:
Tomb of Legends
31-10-06, 22:01
That crap Eidos said is just lying to the consunmer to get them to buy it. Some people with just say "OH, A remake...so what. Not bothering' But with the fake 'NEW ADVENTURE!!!" It will atract more people I guess.
Over-hyping a screenshot and saying that it's the best thing that's ever existed seems no different to over-hyping a news article, in my opinion. But then again, Eidos can do absolutely no wrong.
"LARA CROFT TOMB RAIDER: ANNIVERSARY is a totally new 2006 adventure for Lara"
but people...., I'm glad for this :)
A totally new adventure: the better! :tmb:
PirateRose
31-10-06, 22:32
I'm just going to wait till a bigger picture of th egame comes out. Its still unclear what it is exactly, and I don't want to pass judgement on it based on that little article and one screenshot. Thats not enough to be passing judgement on. I really hate how people are already critizeing it so poorly when we know so little about it!
I do agree, though, it would be a big disapointment if they are changing the whole thing, or if its not even a remake of the original.
Moon-Safari
31-10-06, 22:36
You people sure do have alot of time on your hands to be speculating and overreacting to the little news we have about this game.
Statements that declare an entire direction that a franchise is goin in is not "little news". whether you think its good news or bad news is your prerogative, but if you think this is small news, then maybe you dont care about the future of the tomb raider games as much as us real fans do.
Back on topic. Thank you.
We WERE on topic. We were discussing the article.
We WERE on topic. We were discussing the article.
Who says I'm talking to you?
Moon-Safari
31-10-06, 22:44
back on topic.
[edit] i forgot to say thank you :)
when it says 'totally new 2006 adventure for Lara' and 'we have gone a step further, we have taken the original story and made a completely new version',
whbat i think they mean by it is they have kept the same storyline, the same plot, the levels, characters and everything the same, but they are trying to make it feel different as if it was a totally new game i.e CD are taking tomb raider 1 and making it their own;)
I see thes qoutes in a metaphorical term :)
Another thread rises from the deep...
Another thread rises from the deep...
eh? :confused:
illuminati30
17-12-06, 16:07
Another thread rises from the deep...
Just what i was thinking. We have learned more about the game since then. At the time, i was worried it was going to be Legend part II or something, although in saying that, it still could be!
I don't care it looks awesome anyway.:D
Just what i was thinking. We have learned more about the game since then. At the time, i was worried it was going to be Legend part II or something, although in saying that, it still could be!
TRA is not Legend 2. Legend squeal was confirmed to be released for PS3, by Jane Cavanagh - SCi Entertainment CEO in an article on tombraiderchronicles.com (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/headlines2945.html) on September 29th:
SCi Entertainment CEO Jane Cavanagh has confirmed the anticipated sequel to Tomb Raider Legend which is currently being developed by U.S. studio Crystal Dynamics will exploit the incredible power of Sony's Playstation 3 console during the Company's annual financial statement.
"Our 2008 products will include new versions of Tomb Raider (including a PS3 version) and many of our other key franchises. We also plan new franchises, including completely new products from both Crystal Dynamics (developers of Tomb Raider) and Io Interactive (developers of Hitman and Kane & Lynch).
TRA is being released for PS2, not PS3.
If you want a remake that will not be different then what's the point of a remake? You can just play the original, pffff.
*wipes away your tears*:) Of caurse it's a remake ! But don't expect it to be a "copy past" game,otherwise,we will finish it in about half an hour !
And,also,I think,CD sees this as an opportunity to show us that lara's still alive
It's no sin if the game will be changed a little bit...
LegendLuvr24
17-12-06, 20:22
we've known for a while it wasn't a direct remake. It is a 'retelling' of the first game. Much like Peter Jackson's King Kong (which is a big inspiration for TR:AE as said by Toby) was a retelling of the original movie.
We've known all along that it's not a 1:1 remake. CD are taking the key elements from TR I and using them to create Anniversary.
My advise to them: Scrap the anniversary idea. Delay this game. Bring it to next gen. Make it a game for PS3, because God knows it needs a killer release day title. Lets face it, you have missed the anniversay slot anyway, and nobody actually really cares about it anyway. Yep, bring it to next gen, and change nothing about the original game. Work it to todays standards. TR remake should have happened at the time of the RE remake. You are far too late for this now.
Interesting post... I agree with some of what you said. I think they should include a lot of the original storyline and update it to add more details - but NOT change it. This idea is akin to taking a drawing in basic colour and adding more depth and shading.
I think they are doing that sort of thing with the game. I don't think they are going to completely change the storyline. Changes to the level design is forgiveable as long as it only means the levels will have updated textures and will have better depth, lighting, and of course become much more expansive.
As for whether they passed the anniversary slot - I disagree. I have Tombraider Gold (the first TR I ever bought) and it says 1997. So I don't know if the original version was released in 1996 or not... but I don't think there was a full year between the release of Gold and the original - was there?
Anyway, I think if they made an EXACT remake that might be kinda dull. I'll admit, I started playing TR1 again and I did actually jump once when a raptor came out of nowhere (even though I tried to expect it - I guess I forgot that one).
However, I'm sure at least 80% of the game will be predictable, even taking into account that I haven't played TR1 for several years now. I want some new stuff. I want bigger levels. I want more depth, I want a more detailed storyline. I want it to be prettier.
I don't just want a graphical update.
If you remember, TR1's graphics weren't exactly innovative and exceptional so it isn't what made the game as amazing as it was. Just updating the graphics isn't going to make it worth playing. Even just updating the moves won't cut it.
What made the game was the environment, and graphics don't comprise even half of that.
illuminati30
17-12-06, 21:18
TRA is not Legend 2. Legend squeal was confirmed to be released for PS3, by Jane Cavanagh - SCi Entertainment CEO in an article on tombraiderchronicles.com (http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/headlines2945.html) on September 29th:
Yeah, i know, i didn't actually mean a part II of Legend, i just meant a similar game to Legend, but i guess i should have been clear about that.
Guys, this thread is old! And we had very little information on TR:AE at the time. I have since change how i feel about this, to a certain extent. I still dont want the game to be anthing like legend, but the thread was a reaction to a rather bad press release. I was starting to feel the game was going to become very legend like. However, i now feel more 'wait and see'. A lot of new info has surfaced since then.
If you remember, TR1's graphics weren't exactly innovative and exceptional so it isn't what made the game as amazing as it was. Just updating the graphics isn't going to make it worth playing. Even just updating the moves won't cut it.
TR1's graphics were innovative and stunning in 1996, when the game was released ;)
silver_wolf
18-12-06, 00:53
Firstly! It is now clear! This game is not a Tomb Raider remake! :(
Well first off, its a 2007 adventure, not 06. Is it really using the technology of 2007?
How can it be a new adventure? I don’t mind this if the whole game is there, and they add bits, but I really hope they don’t change things. Sadly, a graphical upgrade from PS1 to PS2 is not enough of a graphical difference, therefore they have to change everything, and make it ‘innovative’. Is anyone else a bit worried about this? Tomb Raider Legendised?
OK, so there have been many requests for a remake, why not just do that then? :( What is meant by a completely new version? New locations? New Legend involved story line? New graphics? (Yeah, only just) New music? New .......... outfits! :yik:
I can’t help but feel if this game was out a few years back, when current gen was newish, people would have loved a graphical upgrade. Also, if AE was coming to next gen, there would be no need to change the game, as the graphical upgrade would be vast. Jump from PS1 to PS2 is not enough, so we need a brand new Tomb Raider adventure!
See here:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=77296
Maybe this a valid argument! Maybe it is not! But!
How is that done then? Lovely graphical locations, nice looking water effects, lighting effects, movie sound track music, with superb physics puzzles, and as little interaction as possible with environments and a linear path, with your character doing as many crazy moves as possible, to bring it 'up to date', including jumping around like a monkey man prince, using a grapple, and going into bullet time over the heads of enemies.
They may as well call it 'Tomb Raider: The illusion of time'. You thought it was 1996, no its actually 2007. Lara can now go back to that period and change everything, and say 'that didnt happen, no no no, thats not how the story went'. Find the dagger of time, and use it to manipulate enemies killing them in slow motion, reverse time, run up walls, and grapple huge jumps.
And now today we have confirmation that the sound track is being changed, and will include electronica!
I am away to cry quietly in a corner!
My advise to them: Scrap the anniversary idea. Delay this game. Bring it to next gen. Make it a game for PS3, because God knows it needs a killer release day title. Lets face it, you have missed the anniversay slot anyway, and nobody actually really cares about it anyway. Yep, bring it to next gen, and change nothing about the original game. Work it to todays standards. TR remake should have happened at the time of the RE remake. You are far too late for this now.
ok. let me make this clear to you: the anniversary is a remake of tr1-with new graphics,updated locations,different moves,and a more developed story.see,what you seem to want is a carbon-copy of the original. that's not what they're making-they're making a game with the same locations,story,characters,enemies,and key moments.why:hea: dont:hea: ppl:hea: get:hea: it:hea: ??i suggest,ppl,to not pay attention to this thread-its a load of crap.and btw,do you honestly think,from the screens we've seen of the anniversary game,that there is barely a graphical difference?? its ppl like you who make me weep for the future.
ok. let me make this clear to you: the anniversary is a remake of tr1-with new graphics,updated locations,different moves,and a more developed story.see,what you seem to want is a carbon-copy of the original. that's not what they're making-they're making a game with the same locations,story,characters,enemies,and key moments.why:hea: dont:hea: ppl:hea: get:hea: it:hea: ??i suggest,ppl,to not pay attention to this thread-its a load of crap.and btw,do you honestly think,from the screens we've seen of the anniversary game,that there is barely a graphical difference?? its ppl like you who make me weep for the future.
l am sure illuminati30 realises that now silver_wolf, but the thread was started back in October, when we did not have the advantage of all this new info
LaraLover1125
18-12-06, 02:55
It IS a remake, just changed up a bit. CD has stated that it's an enhanced version of the game. Only the memorable places have been recreated! Everything else is new. Even so, it IS classified as a remake!
Anything opposing my arguement is fiction. Tomb Raider is like a religion to me!
Kamrusepas
18-12-06, 02:56
Why was this rather old and rather misleading thread dug up anyways? :confused:
Phlip just thought he had to add to it even though it was over a month old and no longer relevant :tea:
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