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alzughoul
11-11-06, 11:07
please any one can list the core sepecifications to buy a desktop pc especially for graphic card motherboard processor dvd......& how much it cost to get a real computer for the games , & to able you to say i will never change my pc after this date

Cochrane
11-11-06, 13:22
& to able you to say i will never change my pc after this date
There is no such computer, and there never will be. If you really want this, you should probably get one of the next-gen consoles.

As for what PC you should get, I'm certain Joseph will give you an outline, but at the moment I'd wait a couple of months, until ATI/AMD released their DX10 cards and Nvidia has cheaper Geforce 8's.

Joseph
11-11-06, 17:17
BUT the first DirectX10 card, the nVidia GF8800GTX is very expensive while there are no applications/games that make use of it yet. Still, here is the first DirectX10 card which is a monster:
GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, "BP8800GTX-768-TV-DD" (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327248&view=detailed) £435.00
XFX GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, 2xDVI/HDTV/HDCP, 384-bit (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327330) £445.00
The performance goes with high cost: it is very powerhungry. Better wait till ATI's reply, till DX10 cards have become cheaper to buy and cheaper in use (need less power).

While the best most stable, problem-free DirectX9.0c card of the moment is the ATI X1950XTX and much nicer priced and has faster DDR4 memory:
Club3D Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4, PCI-Express, Dual-DVI-I, VIVO, CF Ready (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=324909) £299.00
Asus Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4, PCI-Express, 2xDVI-I, HDCP, ViVo, Retail (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=325455&view=detailed) £309.00

These two cards are the absolute high end of the moment.

Joseph
11-11-06, 17:44
If you are building yourself, these components i would recommend qua price/performance:

Case:
Cooler Master Stacker Case Black/Silver (Without PSU) (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=303325&view=detailed) £94.00

Power Supply:
If you will use 1 top high end graphic card like GF 7900GTX2 or ATI Radeon X1950 XTX this 550W one is very fine:
Cooler Master Real Power 550W w/Power indicator, SLI, ATX/EPS, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=315160&view=detailed)£79.00
If you will use 1 graphic card like GF 8800GTX (the first DirectX10 card), OR you will use 2 ATI cards in Crossfire mode you'll need a 700W like:
OCZ Technology Powersupply ATX/EPS 700W, 120mm Fan, SATA, 4/8pin CPU, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=324467&view=detailed) £110.00

Mainboard:
Asus P5W DH Deluxe,I975X,Socket-775,ATX, SATAIIx7, Dual-GbLAN, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex16 (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=321774) £155.01

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 4MB, BOXED w/fan (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=322633&view=detailed) £210.01


Memory:
Corsair TWIN2X 8500C5 DDR2, 2048MB CL5, Kit w/two 1GB Dimm's, E.P.P Technology (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=321029) £265.00

Graphics card:
Club3D Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4, PCI-Express, Dual-DVI-I, VIVO, CF Ready (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=324909) £299.00
The best most stable, problem-free DirectX9.0c card of the moment and nicely priced, with fastest DDR4 memory

Harddiskdrives:
excellent price/performace:
Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=309535&view=detailed) £49.95
Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=309535&view=detailed) £49.95
It is best to have two identical hdd's rather than 1: when one dies, you can have a backup of your Windows and documents on your second drive (if you organize that).
Faster and much more expensive:
Western Digital Raptor 150GB SATA 16MB 10000RPM (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=316737&view=detailed) £155.01
Western Digital Raptor 150GB SATA 16MB 10000RPM (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=316737&view=detailed) £155.01

DVD-RW:
Cheap yet very good:
NEC DVD±recorder AD-5170 IDE Black OEM DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer) (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=325546&view=detailed) £26.00
Pricey but the best there is:
Plextor DVD±RW burner, PX-755A, 16x, Dual, Black Retail (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=316441&view=detailed) £42.50

Floppy drive:
Sony Floppy Drive, 3,5" 1,44MB Black, Internal (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=114711) £7.00
A few times a year you may notice that it is very unhandy to have no floppy drive, so make sure you have one.

Chug a Bug
11-11-06, 19:08
I feel I have to jump in and say Josephs recommendations though very good, are very high spec and if your budget is limited you can get away with something a little lower spec (and cheaper) for now, although it will need upgrading sooner.

Tomb_Vader
12-11-06, 00:43
Agree on all counts. Hey Joseph, you ought to open a boutique store selling customized PCs - your recommendations read like a Christmas wish list. :D

Joseph
13-11-06, 12:18
I guess you can call it Christmas here then. :) A little early maybe but i finally could afford it (saved for it) and couldn't wait.
Meet my newest PC:

PC1:

Core2Duo E6600
Zalman CNPS9500AT cooler
ASUS P5W DH Deluxe
Corsair TWIN2X 8500C5 DDR2, 2048MB CL5
Club3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB
Creative X-Fi Platinum
2 x Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
NEC DVD±recorder 3550 IDE Black OEM
Cooler Master Real Power 550W w/Power indicator
Cooler Master Stacker Big Tower Case Black/Silver
Windows XP Professional

I am currently installing the software on it and configuring. Later today i'll add Vista.

Now my older PC's are:

PC2:

Pentium 650 oc @ 4 Ghz / stock cooler
ASUS P5AD2_E Premium
Corsair VS PC 5300 DDR2 667
XFX GF 7800 GT 256MB
Creative Audigy 2 ZS
2 x Western Digital Caviar 250GB SATA1 8MB 7200RPM
NEC DVD±recorder 3550 IDE Black OEM
Toshiba DVD player
Chieftech 460 W PSU
Lian-Li Big Tower Case PC 71
Windows XP Home SP2
Windows Vista RC2


PC3:

Pentium 4 2.66 Ghz / stock cooler
ASUS P4PE
1 GB Infineon PC 2700 DDR
ATI Radeon 9700Pro 128 MB
Creative Audigy 2
1 x Western Digital Caviar 250GB IDE 2 MB 7200RPM
2 x Western Digital Caviar 80GB IDE 2 MB 7200RPM
SONY DVD RW DRU-530A
PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4824A
ToPower 370 W PSU
Lian-Li Mid Tower Case PC-70
Windows XP Home SP2

From my oldest PC i took the PSU, so that one is out of the picture for now.

Chug a Bug
13-11-06, 23:58
It is best to have two identical hdd's rather than 1: when one dies, you can have a backup of your Windows and documents on your second drive (if you organize that).

Are you using a mirror RAID for that? I've thought about it but never gotten around to trying it out. :)

Joseph
14-11-06, 11:43
No, i use Norton Ghost 10 (former Powerquest Drive Image).
A RAID mirror would half your hdd's capacity (if you have 2 x 250 GB, you in fact have only 1 x 250 GB), so that is not attractive to me.
I only 'Ghost' my Windows installations, not the entire disks with all partitions. I can do that, because i have the same documents copied over 3 PC's, and also on DVD.

Chug a Bug
15-11-06, 00:03
Ah, I see. I use Acronis True Image myself. Personally I find it better than NG 10.

Jade Rae
15-11-06, 00:37
You can save some money by custom building your PC, and it really isn't to hard :)

If you built two PCs you just have one for internet and games, and keep that one upgraded, and the other for wordprocessing, and that you would really never have to update. And if you ever got a virus you wouldn't loose important data.

That's what I do, and it works good :)

Chug a Bug
15-11-06, 01:05
If you built two PCs you just have one for internet and games, and keep that one upgraded, and the other for wordprocessing, and that you would really never have to update. And if you ever got a virus you wouldn't loose important data.

That's what I do, and it works good :)

I do the same thing but I have 2 copies of XP and a copy of Fedora 6 on the same PC. I broke up my old PC for parts sold them on eBay and got back nearly half the money I paid for my new one. ;)