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raiderfun
13-11-06, 11:23
Hi joseph and all the team ! :)
We're planning to get a new monitor of 17" or 19" , because right now we have the fat one , so please may i know what are the advantages of a TFT monitor ! :) :)

Joseph
13-11-06, 11:25
They take less space. That's about it.
Overall Quality (colours and sharpness) and refresh speed of CRT monitors still is superior to most available flatpanels

raiderfun
13-11-06, 11:30
They take less space. That's about it.
Overall Quality (colours and sharpness) and refresh speed of CRT monitors still is superior to most available flatpanels
refresh speed ? You mean Hertz ? I always hear this but i canmnot see the difference between 80Hz and 75Hz , what are they ? :)
and yes , sure , it takes less space ! :D
and is there any graphical difference ?
and what's the max reso for a tft 19" ? until now , i found a 1400x990 , but i'd like one with 1600x1200 , if it's possible , thanks in advance joseph ! :)

Joseph
13-11-06, 11:49
Yes the graphical difference is what i said: the colours are less refined, less subtle. The contrast is hard. Dark regions are mostly cluttered as black.
I don't mean the Hz (refresh rate) because that does not exist on TFT's, it is fixed on them, but the "response time"
The expensive ones have become faster: 2 ms. But they still suffer from ghosting.

raiderfun
13-11-06, 13:04
What about resolutions ? :) what's the max ? I hope it's more than 1440x990 for 19" :)

Joseph
13-11-06, 13:12
Just orient yourself HERE (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kc.asp?bn=10392). ;)

raiderfun
13-11-06, 13:19
Just orient yourself HERE (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kc.asp?bn=10392). ;)
Thank you :)
Prices in morocco are less expensive than that ! :p :D , but it's depend however of the mark....
This one (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=322266) is interesting ! 1680x1050 !!!! :cln: :cln: :cln:

And you joseph ? Do you own a 21'' Don't you ? :mis:

raiderfun
14-11-06, 09:25
Beside this Joseph :)
Concerning my antique PC , Is there any Graphic card of 32Mb or 64Mb , which can be compatible with my motherboard ? "ErgoPro X Fujitsu M63" :) , I have PCI , that means , two White entrees and 3 blacks i think :)
So any way ? :)

Joseph
14-11-06, 09:34
Yeah, i told you before there are not many PCI cards available anymore... Look for a Radeon 7000 or 7500.

Or; these two (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kl.asp?bn=10415).
Club3D Radeon 9250 128MB, DDR, PCI, € 42,99
Gainward GeForce FX5200 128MB DDR, PCI, € 89,00

raiderfun
14-11-06, 09:41
Yeah, i told you before there are not many PCI cards available anymore... Look for a Radeon 7000 or 7500.

Or; these two (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kl.asp?bn=10415).
Club3D Radeon 9250 128MB, DDR, PCI, 42,99
Gainward GeForce FX5200 128MB DDR, PCI, 89,00
Yes ! :yah: , i found it in a moroccan site :) , but joseph , i think this (http://www.microchoix.ma/fiche.asp?id=85560&id_gcat=1&idp=5) card , won't work on my computer , because it's AGP , can you help me please ? :)

Joseph
14-11-06, 09:44
That is the AGP version. You must look for the PCI cards only.

raiderfun
14-11-06, 12:08
Joseph , what do you think about this one (http://www.microchoix.ma/fiche.asp?id=95331&id_gcat=1&idp=5) ? :)

Chug a Bug
14-11-06, 23:14
Well, I have a TFT monitor myself now and text is certainly sharper than my old CRT monitor. Colour gradients are the only real problem they show "banding" i.e. a lack of smooth gradation from one colour to the next, if you're seriously into graphic design than a CRT is still the way to go, there are some professional graphics quality TFT monitors but they cost serious money. Gaming is fine, at least on mine. Video is very good but movement shows very slight jerkiness i.e. a lack of smoothness. Overall though I'm very pleased with it and the saving of space on my desktop is enormous I wouldn't go back to a CRT monitor. CRT monitors are dying out fast manufacturers are cutting back on their range and you can find some real bargains as they're just not popular anymore.

abraham
15-11-06, 06:10
im pretty happy with tft screens becuase im asuming they save more power then the fat screens and they look great in games!

EscondeR
15-11-06, 06:38
Abraham, what TFT monitor do you have?

raiderfun
15-11-06, 12:06
But i heard that the TFT monitors do not botch the eyes like the CRT , is that true ?

Joseph
15-11-06, 20:31
im pretty happy with tft screens becuase im asuming they save more power then the fat screens and they look great in games!The TFT monitor may look great in games, but the games themselves look much better on my CRT! Eizo T965 btw. ;)

raiderfun
16-11-06, 08:07
The TFT monitor may look great in games, but the games themselves look much better on my CRT! Eizo T965 btw. ;)
O RLY ? O_o :eek:
Do you Have the Flex Scan (http://www.eizo.com/support/discontinued/crt/t965.asp) jo ? Because as i can see the reso can reach 2000x1500 :cln: :cln: :cln:
http://www.monitoarebune.ro/poze%20monitoare/eizo%20t961.jpg

But i remember before the 7th April by one week approximately , i downloaded trl demo in a center , and i played it , the experience was such great and i had noticed that the graphic was the same , like at home , once i'm at home i played that legend , and trust me it wasn't the same thign , because in this center they have the TFT monitor ! :p :p :p

Geck-o-Lizard
16-11-06, 08:19
I've been using TFT displays since 2001... tbh, I've never been able to see a difference between the CRT in our livingroom and the display on my laptop and TFT monitor, other than that the TFT displays its pixels pinpoint-sharp in an exact grid, while the CRT's didn't use the same rigid grid so I found it harder to get pixel-by-pixel accuracy in graphics stuff. With a TFT screen I can actually see the thin outline around each of the pixels, if I press my face up against the screen, which is really helpful for making tiny adjustments while zoomed out. I combine this with a trackerball mouse that gives me 100% control over the mouse.
Colours have never looked different to me, bar the way CRTs' display is so dynamic. Gradients look fine, no stripeyness, and I use those all the time in my artwork. Same with dark areas, I can see the difference between 000000 and, say, 010101, even in games.

But then that's the message I always post when the CRT-TFT discussion crops up. :p Maybe I just got a particularly good quality TFT monitor by accident.

raiderfun
16-11-06, 08:22
I've been using TFT displays since 2001... tbh, I've never been able to see a difference between the CRT in our livingroom and the display on my laptop and TFT monitor, other than that the TFT displays its pixels pinpoint-sharp in an exact grid, while the CRT's didn't use the same rigid grid so I found it harder to get pixel-by-pixel accuracy in graphics stuff. With a TFT screen I can actually see the thin outline around each of the pixels, if I press my face up against the screen, which is really helpful for making tiny adjustments while zoomed out. I combine this with a trackerball mouse that gives me 100% control over the mouse.
Colours have never looked different to me, bar the way CRTs' display is so dynamic. Gradients look fine, no stripeyness, and I use those all the time in my artwork. Same with dark areas, I can easily see the difference between 000000 and, say, 111111, even in games.

But then that's the message I always post when the CRT-TFT discussion crops up. :p Maybe I just got a particularly good quality TFT monitor by accident.
Hi Gecko :) :wve:
Which monitor do you own ? with how much of " ? and which refresh rate do you use ? :)

Geck-o-Lizard
16-11-06, 08:36
It's a 15" TFT, 1024x768 max resolution, no idea what the model number is though it's a "Mag Innovision" brand, out of production now. 60hz.

I'm looking at other TFT monitors now myself, though I can't afford anything just now. I wanna get one with a higher res and refresh speed. Now that I've got a computer that doesn't struggle to play my favourite games at a smooth speed, the screen refresh speed is bugging me a bit. I never noticed it before, when the graphics card made the games jerky.

raiderfun
16-11-06, 08:43
I agree with you on getting a new one ;) ;) ;)

We're planning to get a 19" with 1400x900 Max reso :p :p :) :) , it's expensive i know ! :ton: :ton:

raiderfun
16-11-06, 09:44
YAHHH ! I think i've found it ! :yah:
Joseph tell me if This (http://www.microchoix.ma/fiche.asp?id=95331&id_gcat=1&idp=5) one is compatible ! :jmp: :jmp: :jmp:

Joseph
16-11-06, 09:52
Posted in the wrong thread Raiderfun, but i lost the one about your graphic card quest.
Yes that Radeon 9250 is certainly compatible with your PC. :)



Do you Have the Flex Scan (http://www.eizo.com/support/discontinued/crt/t965.asp) jo ? Because as i can see the reso can reach 2000x1500 :cln: :cln: :cln:
http://www.monitoarebune.ro/poze%20monitoare/eizo%20t961.jpg

Yup! :tmb:

raiderfun
16-11-06, 09:58
So you have a great CRT ! :tmb:
But the price (of the graphic card) is suprising me ! :p :p :p

Joseph
16-11-06, 10:04
I don't know if 490Dh 00 is cheap or not, don't know that currency...

raiderfun
16-11-06, 10:10
I don't know if 490Dh 00 is cheap or not, don't know that currency...
It's around 30 pound , or 44 Euro , or 61 $ ,You Get it ? :) :D :mis:

Lord Icon
16-11-06, 10:20
It's around 30 pound , or 44 Euro , or 61 $ ,You Get it ? :) :D :mis:

If it cost around 30 GBP that's 44 Euro and that's 56 USD.

It's still cheap.

raiderfun
16-11-06, 10:22
If it cost around 30 GBP that's 44 Euro and that's 56 USD.

It's still cheap.
All right ....

Cheap ! :eek: It's a PCI card not an AGP

Lord Icon
16-11-06, 10:23
I don't know if 490Dh 00 is cheap or not, don't know that currency...

Moroccan currency Dirham (divided into 100 centimes).

Joseph
16-11-06, 10:25
Oh wait. This IS your thread about a PCI graphic card quest although the title says it's about TFT monitor advantages. :D

That card costs in my town:
MSI RX9250 Radeon 9250SE 128MB AGP DVI 39,95

Lord Icon
16-11-06, 10:26
All right ....

Cheap ! :eek: It's a PCI card not an AGP

Sorry, I missed the part about graphics card (thought it was for a monitor). I need some sleep.

If that's for a graphics card (PCI) that's way too much.

Lord Icon
16-11-06, 10:27
We both need some rest, Joseph :)

Joseph
16-11-06, 10:28
I need sleep too, Lord Icon. :D

Joseph
16-11-06, 10:29
Posting at the same time! :vlol:

But ehh... that PCI card is relatively pricey, it is! I don't see it anywhere much cheaper.

Club3D Radeon 9250 128MB, DDR, PCI, DVI/Tv-Out, Retail (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=327734) € 42,99

raiderfun
17-11-06, 09:12
Posting at the same time! :vlol:

But ehh... that PCI card is relatively pricey, it is! I don't see it anywhere much cheaper.

Club3D Radeon 9250 128MB, DDR, PCI, DVI/Tv-Out, Retail (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=327734) € 42,99
O RLYYY ???? :yik: :yik: :yik:
The price is really surprising in Netherland :eek:
Well , there's this nvidia FX which is expensive too

BTW, joseph can't you call me by my first name like every TRF member :D :D :D

Joseph
17-11-06, 09:35
I simply use forum names that i see with the avatar, Raiderfun. :)

The Dutch price is not crazy, it's about the same as what the card costs in Morocco, like you said: It's around 30 pound , or 44 Euro , or 61 $

raiderfun
17-11-06, 09:39
Ok that's fine ! :)
Hopefully , it will work !
Because at that time PCI cards are really old ! :o

Joseph
17-11-06, 09:53
At which time?!:confused: The PCI interface already is old, but still in use. For instance, all soundcards are still PCI because that interface is fast enough for it.

raiderfun
17-11-06, 09:56
At which time?!:confused: The PCI interface already is old, but still in use. For instance, all soundcards are still PCI because that interface is fast enough for it.
Greeaattt ! ;) http://www.csenergie.qc.ca/st-sauveur/Lucie/GifsAnimes/VerbesAdj/satisfait.gif

But you suprised me when you said :
The PCI interface already is old, but still in use.
can you give me more informations about this ?

raiderfun
17-11-06, 09:59
Joseph ! I must go and do my Sciences Homeworks , i'll be back in one hour ! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Cya ! :wve:

Joseph
17-11-06, 10:39
can you give me more informations about this ?Well, it's older than AGP. At the time when Tomb Raider 1 was made (1996), all graphics cards were PCI. PCI came in 1993. AGP came in 1996.

Btw, i am suddenly not so sure anymore that a nowadays PCI-card will be compatible with your motherboard. We must know if yours has a 5.5V or a 3.5V slot, or universal. Which motherboard do you have exactly?

raiderfun
17-11-06, 11:03
Back after done that homeworks ! :)

I have a ErgoProX Fujitsu M63 :) :wve:

1993 :eek: That's truly oollllldddd :p :p

Joseph
17-11-06, 11:17
Aha. HERE (http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ergopro/ErgoPro-x565/ErgoPro-x565.htm).

PCI - 32-bit / 33MHz PCI - PCI 2.1 Compliance All Slots offer Bus Mastering

>>> PCI revision 2.1; released in 1995; 32-bit, 33MHz / 64-bit, 66MHz, Universal PCI for 3.3v or 5v cards <<< :tmb:

raiderfun
17-11-06, 11:20
Aha. HERE (http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ergopro/ErgoPro-x565/ErgoPro-x565.htm).

>>> PCI revision 2.1; released in 1995; 32-bit, 33MHz / 64-bit, 66MHz, Universal PCI for 3.3v or 5v cards <<< :tmb:
That mean , it's fine ? :confused: :D :D

Joseph
17-11-06, 11:31
That means it's fine, yes! http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/bigok.gif

raiderfun
17-11-06, 11:37
That means it's fine, yes! http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/bigok.gif
COOOLLLL ! heheh , thank you so much joseph ! :gki: :gki:
So any PCI card will work on my PC , that's right ? :D

Joseph
17-11-06, 12:29
Yes your board should accept the 3.5V as well as the 5V version. Cards you can buy today are of the PCI 2.3 standard, and require 3.5V. Your motherboard should recognise it when you put it in.

[Edit: Btw, i changed the title of this thread to a more suiting one. ;) ]

raiderfun
18-11-06, 12:58
Yes your board should accept the 3.5V as well as the 5V version. Cards you can buy today are of the PCI 2.3 standard, and require 3.5V. Your motherboard should recognise it when you put it in.

[Edit: Btw, i changed the title of this thread to a more suiting one. ;) ]
tHANKS FOR BOTH YOUR HELP AND CHANGING THE TITLE :hug: :hug: :)