View Full Version : ...fix the Swan Dive? The diving motion-animation?
Yeah..this has probably been done already but..fix the dive please. whether it's too late to do that now - please do fix in future projects if possible.
*Do I sound annoying:confused: sorry if I do..
The swan dive in Legend looked to stiffy...or "fake"...compared to all other ones (even from TR 1-5), it looked more "realistic"...
*anyone willing to do a comparison video of TR I's swan dive and Legend's swan dive,that'd be awesome;)
I loved the first one in Bolivia's mountains , it was impressive !!! :cln: :cln: :cln:
But as you mentionned in the rest of the game it could be fake :o
I always felt it was snappy, and like the handstand - too fast. It lacks the grace that was present in the past swan dives. Especially TR6's - the way she spreads her (lol, was going to say wings) arms and arches her back slightly before bending into the dive, looks better.
No doubt this thread will be bombarded with people who'll say 'Wow, what next - shall we discuss what colour Lara's nails should be?'
I loved the first one in Bolivia's mountains , it was impressive !!! :cln: :cln: :cln:
But as you mentionned in the rest of the game it could be fake :o
You're talking about Legend right? I loved diving from the Bolvia waterfall if that's what you're talking about:D But the dive looks too robotic...and fast...
I always felt it was snappy, and like the handstand - too fast. It lacks the grace that was present in the past swan dives. Especially TR6's - the way she spreads her (lol, was going to say wings) arms and arches her back slightly before bending into the dive, looks better.
Nicely said:D hehe wings. And I also liked that alternate dive when you're above a surface, simply "dolphin dive" into the water.
No doubt this thread will be bombarded with people who'll say 'Wow, what next - shall we discuss what colour Lara's nails should be?'
I was afraid of that..I tried making the title of this thread less..whaytever the word is.
Only TR lover
01-12-06, 23:37
I agree with that... I was playing Lost Valley today... and OMG that swan dive from the waterfall looks 100% better than in Legend :(
O I completely forgot about that one:D had a great camera angle with it:D! Now THAT amazed me more compared to the dive in West Africa:D
O I completely forgot about that one:D had a great camera angle with it:D! Now THAT amazed me more compared to the dive in West Africa:D
Hmm… I’ve got to try TR1 again soon then :p
Well I wouldn't say it's overwhelming or anything...but for sure, the dive is more realistic and awesome:D For sure, back in '96 ('99 was when I first ever played TR..), when I saw that dive, it AWED ME!!:DI'm sure it awed a few here who's played it before:p
FullmetalEd
02-12-06, 00:41
This is what happens when they try to make all the animations faster to get through the levels quicker :( , as opposed to leaving the really unique ones (not associated with progressing thorugh the level) just the way they are. The Legend swan dive completely took away the point of the swan dive; to be something pretty to marvel at!
I like the swan dive in legend. It was a bit stiffer and the animation was quite faster because Lara´s jumps are smaller, so she could not do it all in supless like in the classics, otherwise she would land in the floor/water with her face. (ouch)
Tomb Raider 5194
02-12-06, 00:59
In the first videos of Ghana in Legend she appeared to do the swan dive more like the classics but then it turned more faster, I found the one in the classics sort of more... artistic lol, so I hope they put it like in the classics.
I like the swan dive in legend. It was a bit stiffer and the animation was quite faster because Lara´s jumps are smaller, so she could not do it all in supless like in the classics, otherwise she would land in the floor/water with her face. (ouch)
Well, the other jumps may be small but the diving can be at least fixed:D Otherwise, they'd have to go back to the running jump rule...but they can easily just make that swan dive jump like the ones from before.
I guess they can make it a bit less stiff... What I really want (related to the swan dive), is that in cinematic moments (like ghana) the camara should show us a better view of the swan dive (just like in the lost valley, when the camara showed us the magnificent jump from a different angle). In ghana we did the swan dive, but the camara just kept on lara´s back :(
l agree in the first look clip the camera rotates around Lara and shows a few different angles, also the jump seems to be slowed a bit at the begining, and then goes at normal speed once she straightens out. l would like it to be like that, in both AE and Tomb Raider 8
I remembered seeing that before in a trailer:D The one in Lost Valley was excellent:D
My fav of all time was the end of TR1 when lara has to swan dive from an exact spot into a tiny square just before facing natla for the final time! :yah: Talk about threading a needle! :yik:
UGH that level was DEADLY! And I died like so many times trying to exactly get into that hole:D(missed the spot when diving-_-...
Yes, even if they dont make the animations slower then what they already are (I would like Lara to REALLY throw her head back in the swan dive - aint realistic but looks pretty) just give us better angles, or at least set up the levels to capture the moment
Need I metion the TR 2 Great Wall swan dive? Best swan dive eva, IMO.
Hmm... the swan dive in Legend didn't really bother me... although there was only onepart in the game where you could really have a use in it.
xcrushterx
02-12-06, 12:48
i would like the anim to be more like the TR 6 one. Like Riv said it was very graceful looking. The only drawback is when she dives off something high she didnt go completely vertical, but kept moving forwards meaning she would end up hitting the wall before landing in the water or whatever. (Dive off the toa to see what i mean)
can someone post a link to this trailer.
Yup josh , i was talking about that swan dive , and yes , it was looking too robotic ! :D but it's a video game
But they can be realistic too;) I mean, I'm sure Tomb Raider falls under that - I mean Legend showed it all - Lara gets dirty, wet and yaddiyada...looks around yaddiyada - I mean they've gone that far to make her so real might as well fix up the dive right:D?
Ada the Mental
02-12-06, 17:05
i would like the anim to be more like the TR 6 one. Like Riv said it was very graceful looking. The only drawback is when she dives off something high she didnt go completely vertical, but kept moving forwards meaning she would end up hitting the wall before landing in the water or whatever. (Dive off the toa to see what i mean)
can someone post a link to this trailer.
True.It was the most graceful looking one,but it annoyed me in the tomb of ancients because she crashes on the walls and ruins it.
They should also fix the controls of the swan dive in Legend.Most of the times I manage to do it it's almost accidental.
And of course the camera angle.
The swan dive in Legend looked to stiffy...or "fake"...compared to all other ones (even from TR 1-5), it looked more "realistic"...
You mean TR1-6 of course?:rolleyes:
You forgot to say the swan dive was almost impossible to do in legend (on PC).
Anyway here's TR6 swandive:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/3534625506362046/jf/
Ada the Mental
02-12-06, 17:10
It's not more possible on PS2.^
I really liked the swan dives on TR 1-6, and it was okay on Legend. BUT, sometimes I didn't make the dive, and Lara would just jump. :hea:
The dive in Legend was a tad too fast, like the climbing. But climbing is waht needs fixing the most.
It's not more possible on PS2.^
What? Are you sure?
Its sprint/look + jump +forward on PC, did you try those?
BUT, sometimes I didn't make the dive, and Lara would just jump. :hea:
Thats exactly what i mean. It was like a good luck if she made it :rolleyes:
It's not more possible on PS2.^
What?? Just run, press X button and then /\ quickly.
BTW, I didn't like the swandive in Legend. It looked so fake. :hea:
Blockoland
02-12-06, 18:46
I preferred the swan dive in the older games. Not only did they look better, but I could do them at will. I found it a bit hit and miss :confused: in Legend.
I only got Lara to swan dive once in Legend so I don't even remember much of it. I found the controls for it on the PS2 to be rather tempermental.
Well guys, the fact is (i think) that crystal dynamics had to learn how to do it when they first got in TR business ... when Core Design already made it in TR1 ... I dont know if it was even Core's invention...
Maybe they, crystal dynamics should have asked a few lines of code from Core after all, and not just brag with NOT getting a single line :rolleyes:
They should have also asked how to do the swimming and well, a few other things too :rolleyes:
Blockoland
02-12-06, 21:05
tee hee :)
Ward Dragon
03-12-06, 00:25
Definitely the swan dive should look more graceful and should be easier to pull off. I played Legend on the Xbox and Lara only did the swan dive about half of the times that I tried to do it. Instead of pressing two buttons in rapid succession, it should be something like the classics where holding down the walk button (maybe clicking the left stick for console versions) and then jumping forward results in a swan dive :)
Graceful seems to be the keyword here:P
You mean TR1-6 of course?:rolleyes:
You forgot to say the swan dive was almost impossible to do in legend (on PC).
Anyway here's TR6 swandive:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/3534625506362046/jf/
No I was referring to Legend:D I thought the ones from TR 1~6 was fine:D(more than fine really..)But I never tried the PC version - or at least, never even tried doing the dive in the PC version 'cause like you said, was almost impossible to do:(Unless you plug in a USB controller:D but still-_-
I really liked the swan dives on TR 1-6, and it was okay on Legend. BUT, sometimes I didn't make the dive, and Lara would just jump. :hea:
I KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW:mad: :hea: Especially in West Africa...I even threw a grenade by accident one time and she died in mid-air 'cause the grenade exploded too close:DOr even a point where she'd miss the water and slam her body on the grass.
Ward Dragon
03-12-06, 05:51
Graceful seems to be the keyword here:P
No I was referring to Legend:D I thought the ones from TR 1~6 was fine:D(more than fine really..)But I never tried the PC version - or at least, never even tried doing the dive in the PC version 'cause like you said, was almost impossible to do:(Unless you plug in a USB controller:D but still-_-
I think Linden was referring to someone else's post saying that only TR1-5 had nice swan dives. Anyhow, I found the swan dive very difficult to do both on the Xbox version of the full game, and on the PC version of the demo. It was extremely easy to do the swan dive on the PC versions of TR1-5, and I vaguely remember that the controls changed for TR6, but once I knew what they were I could consistently do the swan dive in TR6 on PC also.
I KNOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW:mad: :hea: Especially in West Africa...I even threw a grenade by accident one time and she died in mid-air 'cause the grenade exploded too close:DOr even a point where she'd miss the water and slam her body on the grass.
That would have been really cool :D Maybe if I had gotten that wierd problem, I would have enjoyed Legend more, especially if it actually showed her dying before it faded to black :p
I think Linden was referring to someone else's post saying that only TR1-5 had nice swan dives.
Nope, i was quoting Joshorty, it was in the opening post:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=79760
That would have been really cool :D Maybe if I had gotten that wierd problem, I would have enjoyed Legend more, especially if it actually showed her dying before it faded to black :p
Oh yea and what about the weird explosion effect if Lara fell down and died? I think that was just ridicilous.
Dannehkins
03-12-06, 08:46
I think there should be more places to do a swan dive in tomb raider before they begin to tweak with it. In Tomb Raider Legends, the only two pleaces where you actually get to use the swan dives capabilities is on Ghana and on the diving board in her house. In the classic versions there was numerous places she could into, providing you want her to. Personally i would actually create more places to use the swan dive so it is worth tweaking with.
I know..West Africa seems to be the only one..there are other places too though..with no water so that doesn't count.
That would have been really cool :D Maybe if I had gotten that wierd problem, I would have enjoyed Legend more, especially if it actually showed her dying before it faded to black :p
Well it did kinda looked funny:D Oneof my friends bought that just because ofthe West Africa dive he saw in the Commercial-_-...
No doubt this thread will be bombarded with people who'll say 'Wow, what next - shall we discuss what colour Lara's nails should be?'
did u know they were pink in tr1? lmao.
The nails were pink in TR1 :eek:? Didn't notice if it were true:D
yup look @ soom of the vids. I noticed it today and i laughed at rivs post cause they did focus on her naills.
LaraLover1125
03-12-06, 22:43
Quit complaining! The swan dive was great! Jeez!
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