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kill bill
06-01-07, 15:23
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF25a/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312.html

I want to run legend in next gen. But theres like a SR2019UK one or some thing.;) help me!

Betal
06-01-07, 15:37
This don't have anything with this to do. But there's nothing special in TRL with next generation on.

And do you parent buy a new computer when ever you want?

kill bill
06-01-07, 15:47
Dont worry i bought a 4 gb memory stick.;) and my mum wants my lap top;)

Joseph
06-01-07, 18:15
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF25a/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312.html

I want to run legend in next gen. But theres like a SR2019UK one or some thing.;) help me!
None of these Compaq Presario's is capable to run Legend next generation, sorry.

kill bill
06-01-07, 18:34
could you recomend me one.;) even if its not compaq and i dont have a budget;)

kill bill
06-01-07, 19:05
Well:o

Joseph
06-01-07, 19:09
kill bill: don't bump within 30 minutes. That is very annoying!!!

Joseph
06-01-07, 19:27
could you recomend me one.;) even if its not compaq and i dont have a budget;)
Well, you should look for something like this: Komplett Intel Gamer (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ci.asp?sku=10206) £797.41 / € 1.176,05


Chassis Gigabyte 3D Aurora GZ-FSCA1-AN Silver Aluminium Body (Without PSU) (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=311887)
Power Supplies NorthQ 4001AT, ATX 400W Silent, 120mm Fan, 12-17dBA, 2xSATA, PCI-E, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=311011)
Mainboards ABIT IL9 PRO, Intel 945P, Socket-775, ATX, SATAII, DDR2, GbLAN, PCI-Ex16 (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327806)
Processors Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 4MB, BOXED w/fan (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=322633)
Memory Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 2048MB Kit w/two matched Value Select 1024MB (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=313834)
Graphics Cards XFX GeForce 7900GS 525M 256MB GDDR3, XT-X, PCI-Express, 525/1550Mhz, 2xDVI (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327348)
Hard Drives Samsung SpinPoint P120 250GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307913)
Optical Drives NEC DVD±recorder AD-5170 IDE Silver OEM DVD+R/+RW/DVD-R/-RW (Dual layer) (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=325548)
Operating Systems Microsoft Windows XP Home SP2b English OEM

This one is an example of how it should be done: it has a real, very decent Graphics Card; an awesome Processor (same as i have btw); 2 GB of DDR2 RAM.
I just watched on Newegg.com, most of their PC's have a crap graphics chip or budget turbocache card, all a utter waste for guaranteed disappointment.
Maybe i should investigate Tigerdirect? I don't know where you live... but again: this Komplett offer is very decent! And the price is sharp! :tmb:

kill bill
06-01-07, 19:51
i live in kildare/ireland ;) do u have to buy that online.:confused:

kill bill
06-01-07, 20:08
kill bill: don't bump within 30 minutes. That is very annoying!!!

sorry:o :(

Joseph
06-01-07, 20:10
Yes, that is online kill bill. The BIG advantage is the sharp price they can offer that way (no expensive buildings for shops, but 1 big storage house serving delivery over the whole country). I have 100% good experience with Komplett.nl myself. They are very reliable, have very good up to date assortment, usually they have sharpest price (not always though) , in this case: the price for this PC is very competitive to what you could get in a store in your town.
Paying methods you can choose (either prepay, or 'rembours' <--is you pay the deliverer at your door)...

kill bill
06-01-07, 20:16
im not allowed to buy online any thing i can get in stores;) in my country i have pc world dixions harvey normans and sony.;)

kill bill
06-01-07, 20:53
any one

Joseph
06-01-07, 21:44
kill bill: don't bump within 30 minutes. That is very annoying!!! **** you did it again!!! :mad: :cen:

vectra3000
06-01-07, 21:46
..this is probably due to him being 10 years old..hell of an argument for age restriction on forums,no?..

Betal
06-01-07, 21:51
**** you did it again!!! :mad: :cen:

Sorry I spam this thread but I could stop laughing:vlol:. Feel free to delete this post

kill bill
07-01-07, 19:33
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF25a/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312.html


Would it be possible to force next gen on it.:D

Joseph
08-01-07, 05:09
On this one:SR2029UK (RF785AA) (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html) you wouldn't need to "force" it, it would run Legend next gen at lowered settings (probably disabled FSAA, anti-alias and @low resolution 800x600) because of the GF 7500 LE which supports shader model 3.0. But the "LE" stands for "light edition" so don't expect wonders of it. Still, this PC is the best of the 3 on that page. :)



Intel&#174; Core™2 Duo Processor E6400 :tmb:
FSB: 1066 MHz
Intel&#174; P965 express chipset
2 GB DDR2 RAM
250 GB SATA 3G Hard Disk Drive
SATA DVD RAM and Double Layer &#177;R/ &#177;RW 16x/8x max supporting LightScribe technology
NVIDIA&#174; GeForce™ 7500 LE TurboCache (Up to 512 MB shared video memory) with PureVideo technology <---this is the only weak part of this PC. It will probably do quite nicely at general use, but when DirectX9.0c gaming starts you'll quickly see its limitations. Replace this card with [at least GF7950GT or ATI Radeon X1900GT] or best: [ATI Radeon X1950XT 512 MB] and you're much better off.
Intel&#174; High Definition Audio 7.1
7 USB 2.0 ports (3 in front); 2 FireWire&#174;-IEEE-1394 ports (1 in front)
A +2 years warranty extension is available (HP Care Pack U4812E) Express service UE599E (D+2 Turn around Time)

kill bill
08-01-07, 20:01
On this one:SR2029UK (RF785AA) (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html) you wouldn't need to "force" it, it would run Legend next gen at lowered settings (probably disabled FSAA, anti-alias and @low resolution 800x600) because of the GF 7500 LE which supports shader model 3.0. But the "LE" stands for "light edition" so don't expect wonders of it. Still, this PC is the best of the 3 on that page. :)

Thanks will i be able to change the graphic card for the future:D

Joseph
08-01-07, 20:21
Yes it is a desktop PC, so you can change the graphic card whenever you want. :)

KurtisLonely
09-01-07, 13:42
please, just edit your posts ;)
and I can't help you with this :P

kill bill
17-01-07, 20:40
hope this isnt counted as bumped but what about this one? http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726884-77937019.html?&jumpid=in_r2515_hmc_psg_hho ;)

or maybe any of these


http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726884-77994269.html?&jumpid=in_r2515_hmc_psg_hho

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726884-77984047.html?&jumpid=in_r2515_hmc_psg_hho

Joseph
18-01-07, 00:22
These go in the right direction, but ATI RADEON X1600 SE has only relatively slow DDR2 memory, is budget. The other models have GT 7300 Turbocache which is even worse. All these PC's (from the HP site), even those in the higher price class, are not capable to run Legend next gen. I'd recommend a PC form another source, not a HP. Try Dell?

Niggy G
18-01-07, 13:59
Try this computer (Click on 'Go to deal') (http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283151)

Then spend another &#163;100 on a decent graphics card and you've got an excellent computer for ~&#163;500.

Joseph
18-01-07, 14:55
Yes. Good choice for a base. BUT the goal is playing Legend in next gen mode. Therefore, you MUST replace this: Integrated nVidia&#174; GeForce&#174; 6150 LE graphicswith a capable graphics card, and you won't find one for under &#163;100.-. For 100&#37; guarantee i'd recommend as cheapest 256MB card that is capable for that: Sapphire Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express,ViVo/HDCP,2xDVI, Lite-Retail (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327135&view=detailed)&#163;163.00
which also requires the PSU (Power Supply Uniot) to be replaced with a good one that provides sufficent power and is stable: Tagan Easycon 480W, Modular Cables, 120m Fan, 4xSATA, ATX/EPS, SLI, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=310017&view=detailed) &#163;63.00

The default Dell PSU will be NOT sufficient for the card!

Conclusion:
PC = &#163;410.07
PSU = &#163;63.00
Videocard = &#163;163.00
TOTAL = &#163;636,-

kill bill
18-01-07, 15:19
Yes. Good choice for a base. BUT the goal is playing Legend in next gen mode. Therefore, you MUST replace this: with a capable graphics card, and you won't find one for under £100.-. For 100% guarantee i'd recommend as cheapest 256MB card that is capable for that: Sapphire Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express,ViVo/HDCP,2xDVI, Lite-Retail (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327135&view=detailed)£163.00
which also requires the PSU (Power Supply Uniot) to be replaced with a good one that provides sufficent power and is stable: Tagan Easycon 480W, Modular Cables, 120m Fan, 4xSATA, ATX/EPS, SLI, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=310017&view=detailed) £63.00

The default Dell PSU will be NOT sufficient for the card!

Conclusion:
PC = £410.07
PSU = £63.00
Videocard = £163.00
TOTAL = £636,-

I might just chose the first pc you said that will run legend in next gen and maybe later on just buy the graphic card. PS Dell Sucks!

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html

Joseph
18-01-07, 16:14
I might just chose the first pc you said that will run legend in next gen and maybe later on just buy the graphic card. PS Dell Sucks!

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html
I did NOT say that that PC will run Legend in next gen mode!
These go in the right direction, but ATI RADEON X1600 SE has only relatively slow DDR2 memory, is budget. The other models have GT 7300 Turbocache which is even worse. All these PC's (from the HP site), even those in the higher price class, are not capable to run Legend next gen. I'd recommend a PC form another source, not a HP. Try Dell?GeForce 7300LE / 7500 LE TurboCache are not capable...

kill bill
18-01-07, 16:16
On this one:SR2029UK (RF785AA) (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html) you wouldn't need to "force" it, it would run Legend next gen at lowered settings (probably disabled FSAA, anti-alias and @low resolution 800x600) because of the GF 7500 LE which supports shader model 3.0. But the "LE" stands for "light edition" so don't expect wonders of it. Still, this PC is the best of the 3 on that page. :)

What?:confused:

Joseph
18-01-07, 16:20
"At lowest settings"! I said it will run next gen at lowest settings. That is not what you want. That will not satisfy. I sense you are expecting too much. You'll try that PC, find out that you have to lower the settings, you'll be disappointed, report here saying that i promised you success, and i'll have to explain.

kill bill
18-01-07, 16:26
any pc you have in mind. heres a link where ill be getting my pc from.

http://www.pcworld.ie/


BTW any pcs here?

http://welcome.hp.com/country/ie/en/welcome.html

Chug a Bug
18-01-07, 16:39
Where did you get the idea that Dell sucks? Don't believe everything people say. Dell are perfectly capable, basic machines for those who can't build their own and they enjoy a better reputation than HP. I wouldn't touch overpriced underspec'd PC world with a bargepole!

kill bill
18-01-07, 16:41
BTW : my Mum wont let me get dell scince theres been a case of them exploading:p

Joseph
18-01-07, 17:10
I checked both. No PC's in PC World capable to run Legend next gen right away. None from HP either.

See post #8 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1484116&postcount=8) for success choice.

kill bill
18-01-07, 17:14
I checked both. No PC's in PC World capable to run Legend next gen right away. None from HP either.

See post #8 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1484116&postcount=8) for success choice.

well im not allowed to buy my pc online.But if i changed the graphic card would any of them run legend in nextgen. BTW its just not legend i want to run new big graphic games smoothly;)

irjudd
18-01-07, 17:39
BTW : my Mum wont let me get dell scince theres been a case of them exploading:p

Well whomever that happened to shouldn't have been storing gasoline inside the case :p How else could one "explode"?

Chug a Bug
18-01-07, 17:45
well im not allowed to buy my pc online.But if i changed the graphic card would any of them run legend in nextgen. BTW its just not legend i want to run new big graphic games smoothly;)

In that case you're severely limited as to choice. You could try the small ads in the local papers etc for people who build them and then sell them privately - thats how I bought my first PC and 'twas a helluva lot cheaper than PC World!

Joseph
18-01-07, 18:01
well im not allowed to buy my pc online.But if i changed the graphic card would any of them run legend in nextgen. BTW its just not legend i want to run new big graphic games smoothly;)Yes if you changed the graphic card to Sapphire Radeon X1950XT 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express,ViVo/HDCP,2xDVI, Lite-Retail (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=327135&view=detailed)&#163;163.00
which also requires the PSU (Power Supply Uniot) to be replaced with a good one that provides sufficent power and is stable: Tagan Easycon 480W, Modular Cables, 120m Fan, 4xSATA, ATX/EPS, SLI, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=310017&view=detailed) &#163;63.00

The default Dell PSU will be NOT sufficient for the card!

Conclusion:
PC = &#163;410.07
PSU = &#163;63.00
Videocard = &#163;163.00
TOTAL = &#163;636,-Like i already posted! #25 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1507868&postcount=25) :cln:

Niggy G
18-01-07, 19:48
BTW : my Mum wont let me get dell scince theres been a case of them exploading:p

If your going to buy a computer as opposed to building your own then Dell are a very reasonably priced company. Your defiantly better buying from them than PC World! The exploding Dells you talk about was a case of a batch of Sony made batteries being faulty which resulted in some laptops being recalled (and a couple catching fire). It’s a bit unfair to say that in general Dells explode.

Joseph
18-01-07, 19:59
You could, however, say that generally Mums explode when it comes to PC's. ;) :D

Anyway, best option: Go to dell.com, select a base (with a Core2Duo processor), then click button "Customize it!"

kill bill
18-01-07, 20:37
You could, however, say that generally Mums explode when it comes to PC's. ;) :D

Anyway, best option: Go to dell.com, select a base (with a Core2Duo processor), then click button "Customize it!"

cant find select a base:o


BTW I FOUND IT!.

WHICH GRAPHIC CARD WILL I CHOSE?

128MB nVidia Quadro FX550 Graphics Card
512MB nVidia Quadro FX4500 Graphics Card
256MB nVidia Quadro FX3450 Graphics Card
Matrox Millenium Quad 128MB graphics card
1GB ATI FireGL V7350 Graphics Card

Joseph
18-01-07, 20:50
WHICH GRAPHIC CARD WILL I CHOSE?

128MB nVidia Quadro FX550 Graphics Card
512MB nVidia Quadro FX4500 Graphics Card
256MB nVidia Quadro FX3450 Graphics Card
Matrox Millenium Quad 128MB graphics card
1GB ATI FireGL V7350 Graphics CardNONE of these, these are meant for graphics designers.

Start HERE: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DXCWNF1&s=dhs&fb=1

kill bill
18-01-07, 20:52
would you make one for me 2,500 would be the most.:D if it costs more still post the link.:)


BTW make the destanaiton Ireland


which one


256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache [Included in Price]
256MB ATI Radeon X1300 Pro [add $50 or $1/month1]
256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS

kill bill
18-01-07, 21:12
I cant find any Nvida geforces 7800 or ati 1800 :(

Joseph
18-01-07, 21:25
HERE: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DXCWSK1&s=dhs

Yes, indeed: for a serious gaming PC, Dell is expensive with their options.

Anyway, i wouldn't recommend the 7900GS either. That card is their best option for videocard when you choose their XPS 410 as base to customize. So start with their more high end base, like XPS 710.

belter_21
18-01-07, 21:32
you will find the best bang for buck here

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/

however I now build my own (only for myself), so would be searching Dabs etc for components lol

The Zoostorm PC's got huge reviews throughout 2006 including for value performance gaming

kill bill
18-01-07, 21:32
Cool would the 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX be good.

Or will i stay cheaper with 256MB nVidia GeForce 7900 GS Its cheaper,But would the performance

kill bill
18-01-07, 21:43
Would this one Legend in next gen.(In ok and will it be slow)

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DXCWNF1&s=dhs&fb=1

belter_21
18-01-07, 22:00
Would this one Legend in next gen.(In ok and will it be slow)

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DXCWNF1&s=dhs&fb=1

no

kill bill
18-01-07, 22:13
What about this


http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2

Joseph
18-01-07, 22:23
What about this


http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2
No. Again: that is GF7900 GS. Stop running in circles, repeating, kill bill.

Joseph
18-01-07, 22:26
you will find the best bang for buck here

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/

however I now build my own (only for myself), so would be searching Dabs etc for components lol

The Zoostorm PC's got huge reviews throughout 2006 including for value performance gaming
Good link, Belter! :tmb:

This is a good one; http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=3365-6403 &#163;999.00 (inc Vat)

with a GF 7900GT. :tmb:

kill bill
18-01-07, 22:40
How would Nextgen Look forced on this?

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2

I thought the graphic card was ok.Because it passed the optimal Geforce 7800

Legend 4ever
18-01-07, 22:55
Hard Drives Samsung SpinPoint T133 400GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
Isn't 200 GB enough!??!

Joseph, in my country you can buy brand new PC that you can run Next Gen with for 900 euros! And I bet that in every other country you can too!:confused:

Mr.Burns
18-01-07, 22:58
Hard Drives Samsung SpinPoint T133 400GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
Isn't 200 GB enough!??!

Joseph, in my country you can buy brand new PC that you can run Next Gen with for 900 euros! And I bet that in every other country you can too!:confused:

Sure you could if you didn't mind upgrading the computer again in a year or less. Or if you don't have any intentions to use it for resource hogging programs. Whenever i upgrade my system I make sure I have enough hard drive space and memory to last me till the next major upgrade (usually every 1-1.5 years) I also do alot of photo and video (not as much on the video anymore) editing so I need the space.

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:00
Joseph, in my country you can buy brand new PC that you can run Next Gen with for 900 euros! And I bet that in every other country you can too!:confused:
Which country is that? Post a link please, because i don't believe that is possible.

How would Nextgen Look forced on this?

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2

I thought the graphic card was ok.Because it passed the optimal Geforce 7800
Again with a 7900 GS. Stop looking at PC's with a 7900 GS. That card does not pass the 7800 GT.

Legend 4ever
18-01-07, 23:01
Joseph I'll give you the configuration in couple minutes.

kill bill
18-01-07, 23:05
But what about 'forced Nextgen'
Will it look like



http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/800-legend-9700-nextgen.jpg

http://www.jozefdekkers.nl/Trforum/800-legend-9700-nextgen2.jpg

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:05
How would Nextgen Look forced on this?

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2

I thought the graphic card was ok.Because it passed the optimal Geforce 7800
You don't NEED to "force" next gen on a GF 6xxx or GF 7xxx. They are shader model 3 supporting cards. Therefore they will run Legend next gen right away, but -as i repeatedly explained to you- in such a low level of performance that you need to lower the settings. With lowest settings you will not enjoy next gen.
Do you understand?

Legend 4ever
18-01-07, 23:06
Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce 4 SLI - 135 euros
Intel P4 805 Dual Core 2,67GHz - 105 euros
DDR2 1GBPC-533 Twin MOS - 130 euros
LCD 19" - 200 euros
DVD-R/RW - 35 euros
mouse: 10 euros
Keyboard: 10 euros
Assus EN /600 GS TOP &#37; HDT 512 MB - 160 euros
Blueberry CN-863sl-450 - 45 euros

kill bill
18-01-07, 23:14
You don't NEED to "force" next gen on a GF 6xxx or GF 7xxx. They are shader model 3 supporting cards. Therefore they will run Legend next gen right away, but -as i repeatedly explained to you- in such a low level of performance that you need to lower the settings. With lowest settings you will not enjoy next gen.
Do you understand?

I wouldn't mind buying a graphic card for any of the compaqs.
And it would be navida geforce.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html

So would I just have the graphic card in this.Anything else?

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:20
Q: "what is that all about "forcing next generation"?
You can try to force next gen (which is shader model 3) on older cards that do not support sm 3.0 but do support sm 2.1. However, this does not result in running Legend next gen in full glory, these cards are simply notr strong enough for the task: graphics processor is not fast enough, video-RAM is older DDR or DDR2, and only 256MB of it. Still, on such older card you can at least have a semi-next gen experience at lower settings, low resolution (800x600 or lower).
Q: "Can any shader model 3 supporting card run Legend next gen?"
No. This depends on the Video-RAM on the card: it must be of the DDR3 type, and 512 MB. Exception to this rule are the GF 7900/7950 GT/256MB, and the ATI Radeon X1950GT/XT/256MB, they manage quite well.
Q "I see a GF 7900GS. Will it do?" Probably.
But that one is a light version of the 7900GT, it is on the edge, i wouldn't recommend it.

kill bill
18-01-07, 23:23
I wouldn't mind buying a graphic card for any of the compaqs.
And it would be navida geforce.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html

So would I just have the graphic card in this.Anything else?

Well:cln:

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:25
I wouldn't mind buying a graphic card for any of the compaqs.
And it would be navida geforce.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html

So would I just have the graphic card in this.Anything else?
I don't see a price; so don't know if it would be a recommendable option. It has NVIDIA GeForce 7500 LE TurboCache which is crap, so you'd need to replace the card; default PSU won't be strong enough for a GF 7900 GT or the like so you'd have to replace that as well... Running in circles are you.

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:28
Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce 4 SLI - 135 euros
Intel P4 805 Dual Core 2,67GHz - 105 euros
DDR2 1GBPC-533 Twin MOS - 130 euros
LCD 19" - 200 euros
DVD-R/RW - 35 euros
mouse: 10 euros
Keyboard: 10 euros
Assus EN /600 GS TOP % HDT 512 MB - 160 euros
Blueberry CN-863sl-450 - 45 euros
I see no link to a online shop where kill bill can buy.
Apart from that, "Assus EN /600 GS " is not an existing card. Maybe you mean a 7600 GS? <--no next gen capable card.

kill bill
18-01-07, 23:30
so you can update the psu too.

So what do i update it to.

So far

Cpu 3.0 Ghz Can it be Updated?

And

Nvidia Geforce 7800 GT Which can be updated correct me if im wrong?

BTW im not allowed the following (Buy online Or Dell (dont ask me why my mum just said so) )

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:32
I wouldn't mind buying a graphic card for any of the compaqs.
And it would be navida geforce.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-187917-187917-187917-12731312-77927921.html

So would I just have the graphic card in this.Anything else?

Well:cln:
If you bump once again while i'm busy replying to you, you'll be sent on a vacation.

Joseph
18-01-07, 23:44
Kill bill: follow that link Belter posted.
-It is not DELL (your mum can't complain).
-they offer it with a GF7900GT so the PSU that's in it must be OK.
you will find the best bang for buck here

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/

however I now build my own (only for myself), so would be searching Dabs etc for components lol

The Zoostorm PC's got huge reviews throughout 2006 including for value performance gaming
Good link, Belter! :tmb:

This is a good one; http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=3365-6403 £999.00 (inc Vat)

with a GF 7900GT. :tmb:

Legend 4ever
19-01-07, 11:45
I see no link to a online shop where kill bill can buy.
Apart from that, "Assus EN /600 GS " is not an existing card. Maybe you mean a 7600 GS? <--no next gen capable card.

It is 7600 GS!
But then what card is Next Gen capable?
And it is not online shop!

Joseph
19-01-07, 13:13
A 7600 GT is capable at low settings: 800x600; and with FSAA, Depth of Field, fullscreen effects and shadows disabled. I personally would not call that Legend next gen in "full glory". All settings should be maximum and the game should play fluidly, without stutterings and delays. You can hardly ever expect that from a 256MB card.

All the GT versions are the better, and the GS versions are the weaker variations of the cards with the same graphics processor (GPU).

The ATI X1900/1950 GPU's and card's architecture are extremely strong, so much that even the 256MB version of the X1950XT is capable to play Legend next gen fluidly at very high (256MB) and maximum (512MB) settings, even at 1600x1200/85 Hz.
The nVidia 7900/7950/GT/GTX/GTX2 512 MB versions are also.
And of course the strongest cards of today: the nVidia 8800GTS/GTX, the first DirectX10 cards on the market.

Legend 4ever
19-01-07, 13:17
What about Sapphire's Crossfire edition?

Joseph
19-01-07, 13:20
Of which card exactly?

Legend 4ever
19-01-07, 13:33
Well, Sapphire X1900 CrossFire Edition.
RX1800 XT 256MB VIVO for example!

Joseph
19-01-07, 13:38
Well, Sapphire X1900 CrossFire Edition.

Yes that is a top end card! It is called "CrossFire Edition" because it would operate as the master card in a Cross Fire setup. But you can use it as a standalone card as well. :)
Oh... you edited.

RX1800 XT 256MB VIVO for example!No, the 1800XT 256 MB is not as strong (28 pixelshaders instead of 48, and only 256MB DDR3 VRAM), that wouldn't satisfy.

Legend 4ever
19-01-07, 13:40
But it also costs 300 euros!

Joseph
19-01-07, 13:45
Then don't buy it!!! For 80 euro's more have a double so strong card:
Club3D Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4, PCI-Express, Dual-DVI-I, VIVO, CF Ready (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=324909&view=detailed) € 379,00 :tmb:
And play Legend next gen at highest settings fluidly no stutterings no delays.
>> For this card, a high class 500 W Power supply Unit is required! (for instance: OCZ Technology Powersupply ATX 520W 120mm Fan, SATA, 20/24pin (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=315953&view=detailed) € 89,00)

Legend 4ever
19-01-07, 13:55
I'll think about it thanks!

kill bill
19-01-07, 15:37
So Would some one pick me a pc from www.compaq.ie With the 3.0GHZ And the other requirments and Try to find one from the €950 to €1,200 range.And if you cant find the help me find a computer link


http://h30216.www3.hp.com/ASA/Controller?adi_hasScript=1&_AD_195R22=107&adi_scriptSID=711AE8542C2CCE09A1190999FC0A3D69&sysid=84&appid=10716&adi-loc=en_ie&_ad_stoken=iecons


BTW find all of the next gen Legend Requirments. I would buy the graphic card.


Or find one in www.pcworld.ie

Found a good pc but ill never be able to get it.

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=FS00001&l=en&oc=D01XP7&rbc=D01XP7&s=dhs&sbc=ukdhsftdhpdesktop1


Reasons: If i convinced my mum to get dell.She would say no to the price.

Joseph
19-01-07, 17:48
As i told you before, HP and Compaq offer no better than GeForce 7600GS or ATI RADEON X1600 SE, and they are above the price you set as budget.
PC World has cheaper options, but does not offer better products. Case closed.

As i told you, Belter&#180;s link #45 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1508785&postcount=45) is the best option.

kill bill
19-01-07, 18:00
http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=D4XXPS02&l=en&oc=D01925a&rbc=D01925a&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsftdppdesktop2

what do i have to buy for it to run legend in High Nextgen Graphics post link please.

P.S. Please god im not running around in circles otherwise i will get band.


Oh god Jospeh replied. im going to get banned.
P.S. My mum is letting me buy Dell!

kill bill
19-01-07, 18:27
WILL THIS ONE BE ABLE TO RUN LEGEND IN HIGH NEXT GEN!.:jmp:


http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=DRS92001&l=en&oc=D01927&rbc=D01927&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsrsdimen_9200_1


SINGLE 1GB nVidia&#174; GeForce&#174; 7950GX2 Dual GPU SLI graphics card

Joseph
19-01-07, 18:52
WILL THIS ONE BE ABLE TO RUN LEGEND IN HIGH NEXT GEN!.:jmp:


http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?b=&c=ie&cs=iedhs1&kc=DRS92001&l=en&oc=D01927&rbc=D01927&s=dhs&sbc=iedhsrsdimen_9200_1


SINGLE 1GB nVidia&#174; GeForce&#174; 7950GX2 Dual GPU SLI graphics card
YES certainly! :tmb: But realise it costs € 1,738.99 (Includes VAT & Shipping)... it is worth it. Good choice, Kbill!

P.S. My mum is letting me buy Dell!
Finally has she come to her senses. Dell is one of the largest companies in the world. If the '&#237;ncident' were examplary for them, they wouldn't exist anymore. You can trust them.

kill bill
19-01-07, 19:08
Cant wait now:jmp: !

Joseph
19-01-07, 19:22
I can imagine that! When will you get it? :)

kill bill
19-01-07, 22:33
April 6th My birthday :( :o or maybe on my mums birthday(When i give her my lap top:cln: :jmp: )


Anthoer Beloved Queston how will the sims 2 run on it?

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

1300 MHz processor
256 MB RAM (512 MB RAM is recommended if you are running with a few expansion packs installed)
Windows(R) XP, Windows ME, Windows 98 or Windows 2000 Operating System.
At least 1.5 GB of additional hard drive space (5.0 GB total is required if installing both The Sims 2 and The Sims 2 Seasons Expansion Pack at the same time.)
A T&L-capable video card with at least 32 MB of video RAM.
Supported video cards:

ATI Radeon(TM) series (8500 or better)
8500, All-In-Wonder 8500
9000, 9200, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800
X300, X600, x700, X800, x850
X1300, X1600, X1800, X1900, X1950
NVIDIA(R) Quadro(TM) series
Quadro, Quadro2, Quadro4

NVIDIA GeForce series (GeForce2 GTS and better)

GeForce 2, 2 GTS
GeForce 3, 3 Ti
GeForce 4, 4 Ti, 4200, 4600, 4800, MX 420, 440, 460
GeForce FX 5200, 5500, 5600, 5700, 5800, 5900, 5950
GeForce PCX 5300, 5900
GeForce 6200, 6600, 6800
GeForce 7300, 7600, 7800, 7900, 7950
S3 GammaChrome
S18 Pro
S18 Ultra
Intel(R) Extreme Graphics (see note below)
82865, 82915 and above

NOTE: If you have a non-T&L capable video card, such as Intel Extreme Graphics, then you need at least a 2.4 GHz processor.

Joseph
19-01-07, 22:52
Look, kill bill: if you get this PC, you will have a high end machine. You will be able to run all games currently available for PC. Sims2? less then peanuts.

kill bill
19-01-07, 23:13
Look, kill bill: if you get this PC, you will have a high end machine. You will be able to run all games currently available for PC. Sims2? less then peanuts.
Just to be sure shouldn't case i put my movie Qulity on high And Size too. And expect it to be smooth.:D

kill bill
28-01-07, 19:21
Sorry hope this isn't bumping but that good deal isn't on anymore so.
What about this one.:)


http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_710?c=ie&cs=iedhs1&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=specstab

Joseph
28-01-07, 19:58
Yes thats the base, using a fantastic case, and a

Intel® CoreTM 2 Extreme Processor Quad-Core QX6700 (2.66GHz, 8MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)You'll still have to select the components.

kill bill
28-01-07, 20:09
None of these are listed in any ones expect a geforce 8800 in a 4,689 euros no way!.

So if I Guess i have to phone them.:)


So if I was to phone them What would I say, Hi I need a pc that has a

(A)Single 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Card
(B)Dual 1GB NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2 Dual-GPU Graphics Cards, Quad SLI

Thats under 2,000 euros.:)


Also My mums friends husband is a pc technition so I told them i need a nvidia geforce 7,900 gtx graphic card.

God Horus
29-01-07, 00:29
Why are you getting a present when it's your mom's birthday?

Joseph
29-01-07, 00:35
Why don't you read the thread, God Horus. April 6th My birthday :( :o or maybe on my mums birthday(When i give her my lap top:cln: :jmp: )And why posting non-helpful here?

kill bill
30-01-07, 17:25
Ok Fingers crossed what about next gen in a dual 256 mb nvidia geforce 7900 gs.:)


The stupid 9800 went:o

Joseph
30-01-07, 21:11
Dual 256MB stays 256 MB effectively, and the 7900GS is not very capable for next gen. You'll need to lower the settings and still expect stutterings.

kill bill
01-02-07, 15:24
oh.:o


What about nvidia geforce 8800 gtx:)


Im waiting for a Really dear pc to go cheap:)

Joseph
01-02-07, 16:48
GF 8800 GTX is the very strongest card of the moment and the first supporting DirectX10. It is also the most expensive card of today.

http://www.komplett.co.uk/img/p/400/329211.jpg
Club3D GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, HDTV-Out, HDCP, Dual DVI (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=329211&view=detailed) &#163;375.00

Same as the Quad-Core QX6700 in a previous post of yours.
You don't need the most new, the most expensive.
Core2Duo E 630 E6400 or E6600 is VERY good!
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 4MB, BOXED w/fan (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=322633&view=detailed) &#163;199.95

kill bill
01-02-07, 19:58
No this is coming with the dell xps 710 i think:)

Eddie Haskell
01-02-07, 20:31
GF 8800 GTX is the very strongest card of the momentr and the first supporting DirectX10. It is also the most expensive card of today.

http://www.komplett.co.uk/img/p/400/329211.jpg
Club3D GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, HDTV-Out, HDCP, Dual DVI (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=329211&view=detailed) £375.00

Same as the Quad-Core QX6700 in a previous post of yours.
You don't need the most new, the most expensive.
Core2Duo E 630 E6400 or E6600 is VERY good!
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GHz Socket LGA775, 4MB, BOXED w/fan (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=322633&view=detailed) £199.95

I just ordered the 8800GTX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130079

Joseph
01-02-07, 23:39
Congratz! :tmb:
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/14-130-079-02.jpg
eVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SUPERCLOCKED HDCP Video Card - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130079)
Free Dark Messiah game included in package, while supplies last $619.99 ($599.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate (http://images10.newegg.com/uploadfilesfornewegg/rebate/SH/EVGA6MIRsFeb0107Feb2807cg05.pdf)) 3 Business Day Shipping $6.13


The same Dark Messiah of Might & Magic free with the Point of View:
http://www.komplett.nl/img/p/800/327539.jpg
Point of View GeForce 8800GTX 768MB, GDDR3, PCI-Express, DVI/Tv-Out, Retail (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=327539) € 589,00

I already have that game (payed €53,- for the Editor's Choice edition) -it's a very good game, i LOVE it!, so if i were to buy this card i'd take the Club 3D:
Club3D GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, HDTV-Out, HDCP, Dual DVI (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=329211&view=detailed) € 549,01
and would overclock it myself! :D


XFX GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, 2xDVI/HDTV/HDCP, 384-bit (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=327330&view=detailed) € 590,00

XFX GeForce 8800GTX 630M 768MB XXX GDDR3 ,PCI-Express,2xDVI/HDTV/HDCP,630/2000Mhz (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=329757&view=detailed) € 679,00


MSI GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, HDCP, PCI-Express, 2xDVI-I, Tv-Out, 384bit (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=328122&view=detailed) € 569,00


Gainward GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3, PCI-Express, "BP8800GTX-768-TV-DD" (http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.asp?sku=327248&view=detailed) € 598,00

Eddie Haskell
02-02-07, 01:51
Congratz! :tmb:

I already have that game (payed €53,- for the Editor's Choice edition) -it's a very good game, i LOVE it!, so if i were to buy this card i'd take the Club 3D:



Thanks, although receiving congrats for shelling out that kind of dough sounds strange, one has mixed feelings about so expensive a purchase! :)

I build all of my systems. I have 3 systems up and running now (windows xp) with varying degrees of power, with 2 more old ones in another room (one with Windows 95, the other with Dos 6.0 and Windows 3.1). This card is replacing a 7900GT (which will go in a different system) and I am giving an old 6800GS to my nephew.

My nephew wanted this game and told me about it, I hope it's decent.

Joseph
02-02-07, 01:56
"Decent"?! It's a superb game. Very creatively made, innovative gameplay, very exciting and beautifull!
Built on a modified Source engine. :tmb:
If you give it away, buy a copy for yourself too if you love good gaming. :)

The card upgrade from a 7900GT i completely understand: a year ago, i quickly changed my disappointing 7800GT/256 for a magnificent ATI Radeon X1900XT/512MB! :tmb:

Chug a Bug
02-02-07, 15:48
I'm happy with my 7900 512mb GTX! :p

Out of interest, how physically large is this card? If they get any longer I'm going to have to buy a new PC case for my next card, my current one is backed up hard against the HDD's.

Someone else posted in this forum a few weeks ago about dodgy textures in TR3 I think it was, seems that there are driver issues still to be ironed out with this card?

Joseph
02-02-07, 16:13
Yes drivers issues with the highest end Geforces, 8800GTX.

The card is long. It's in a shop nearby, i'll take a measuring tape and post my findings when i'm back! :)

kill bill
04-02-07, 17:15
I Went to my local sony shop.There was a really nice pc.
Bad news!

Geforce 7400 turbolight.:o

Could I change the graphic card in it.

Also it didn't have a hard drive.


You stuck the disc in the drive behind the screen.:) Etc
Also probley where the gb were.

And if its not possible can Nextgen be forced In it.

Joseph
04-02-07, 20:27
You misunderstand the "force next gen on older cards" method. I'll explain. Next gen officially is only possible on shader model 3.0 cards. But there are older cards that are very capable, yet only support shader model 2.1 and NOT shader model 3.0. The 'hack method' is meant to force the next gen content to run on these cards, using their power on shader model 2.1.
Now, let's say you have a PC with a Geforce 7400 turbolight. To begin with: the GF7400, and all the 7xxx series cards, support shader model 3.0. BUT don't start thinking 'so, next gen would be working then'. No, it won't work, simply because the GF7400 turbolight is a VERY simple, slow uncapable not strong card for any 3D function. The same goes for GF 7300, and even the 7600GS. The GF7600GT is the first that comes a tiny bit close to performing, but is still a basic level card for gaming.



I Went to my local sony shop.There was a really nice pc.
Bad news!

Geforce 7400 turbolight.:o

Could I change the graphic card in it.
Don't ask me, you'd have to ask the shop guy.
Also it didn't have a hard drive.
A PC without a hard drive? I don't think so.

You stuck the disc in the drive behind the screen.:) Etc
Also probley where the gb were.

The "gb"?

kill bill
04-02-07, 22:37
Like there wasent any big squares heres a pic of it:


http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6242/sonypcpl3.jpg

Joseph
04-02-07, 22:46
It's just a picture, i can't tell anything about it, i see no specifications.

kill bill
05-02-07, 20:16
http://vaio.sony.ie/view/ShowProductCategory.action?site=voe_en_IE_cons&category=VD+LA+Series :)

Joseph
05-02-07, 20:27
Look at it. It is a design piece for rich people with expensive taste. But it won't run a game and it's not meant to. Put this thing out of your mind.

kill bill
09-02-07, 21:13
awwwwwww.:o


Ok is there any pc that can support geforce 8800 gtx.
If I have to buy the Graphic card sperate.

either from...

www.compaq.ie (http://www.compaq.ie)

Or

www.pcworld.ie (http://www.pcworld.ie)


:)


BTW because we will be going to spain and maylisa

Joseph
09-02-07, 21:18
None from them. As i already said: As i told you before, HP and Compaq offer no better than GeForce 7600GS or ATI RADEON X1600 SE, and they are above the price you set as budget.
PC World has cheaper options, but does not offer better products. Case closed.

As i told you, Belter´s link #45 (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1508785&postcount=45) is the best option.

kill bill
09-02-07, 21:22
no I dont mean like that but will it fit in the mother boards so i can get them to work.Pci express.:confused:

Joseph
09-02-07, 21:30
The PC's that they sell, will allways have a PSU (=Power Supply Unit) that is just about sufficient for the simple budget cards they sell them with. That means that it would be a waste to buy such a PC because you'd have to replace not only the crappy card but the PSU as well.

Lord Icon
09-02-07, 22:12
The PC's that they sell, will allways have a PSU (=Power Supply Unit) that is just about sufficient for the simple budget cards they sell them with. That means that it would be a waste to buy such a PC because you'd have to replace not only the crappy card but the PSU as well.

Absolutely. Many people say: "Oh nice, I'll just buy a cheap PC then replace the graphics card with a better one and I'm good to go". It's not that simple. You either buy a good PC to start with (not a cheap solution) or build your own from the scratch (not for beginners if you want a top PC).

kill bill
24-02-07, 21:57
Well my Mummy would love to buy my Computer.

And Ill Might get the graphic card In Maylisa The 8800gtx In March.

And a PSU if i have to.

from www.compaq.ie (http://www.compaq.ie/) or www.pcworld.ie (http://www.pcworld.ie)


And any thing else.

BTW The pc must have a core duo


What Graphic cards do dell laptops use do the use the computer graphics card or laptop graphic cards.:)

raiderfun
24-02-07, 22:02
What Graphic cards do dell laptops use do the use the computer graphics card or laptop graphic cards.:)

I think the GMA 950 , otherwise you can choose other more powerful ones but only if you pay more :p

kill bill
26-02-07, 15:06
Also my Mum got me this magazine its called cantec computer store.

Theres a few here and these are its sepcs.


Option 1.

HP Pavillion Media center m7780

Heres it specs.

Microsoft windsows vista home premium
Intel core duo processer E6400
2gb ram 250 gb hardrive 160 personal media drive.
ATI radeon X1650 SE 512 MB dedicated memory (would this be pci-E
DVD Writer R / RW 16x/8x max.

Option 2.

iQon PDC 915.

Microsoft windows vista home premium
Intel pentium dual core 915 processer.
1Gb Ram 250 GB HDD DVDRW Dual Layer drive.
7-1 Card reader,microsoft works 8.5
Nvidia 7300 pci express The mag says its pci express so i could always change it.

Joseph
26-02-07, 18:47
Option 1.

HP Pavillion Media center m7780

Heres it specs.

Microsoft windsows vista home premium
Intel core duo processer E6400
2gb ram 250 gb hardrive 160 personal media drive.
ATI radeon X1650 SE 512 MB dedicated memory (would this be pci-E
DVD Writer R / RW 16x/8x max.

This one doesn´t look bad at all. Yes it´s PCI-express. :)

kill bill
26-02-07, 19:13
This one doesn&#180;t look bad at all. Yes it&#180;s PCI-express. :)

And is there enough cpu to get the geforce 88OO gtx

Or a new ati 1950 xtx maybe.

on it and will it run legend in next gen with the ati


And I found its specs

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12927084-78131397.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_IEEN

Joseph
26-02-07, 19:40
This PC as it is, is a fine media PC but not much more than that. The X1650SE is not very fit for next gen; X1950XT certainly is, GF8800GTS too, GF8800GTX is the hottest high end monster of today.
Like i already told you a few times: if you buy a PC like this and want to replace the card with either ATI X1950XT or GF 8800, you need to replace the PSU as well.

kill bill
26-02-07, 19:50
Ok And Is hard to open up the mother board.;) And is it hard replacing the cpu and graphic card.;)

And would the maylasian Graphic cards work on the europein.

So I need to get A Graphic card and a cpu.

What cpu do I need.;)

kill bill
26-02-07, 19:58
Ooops Wrong Thread!

kill bill
26-02-07, 20:55
What Do you need to get to open the pc part and is it safe.;)

kill bill
26-02-07, 21:52
How bout this http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12927084-78106239.html How do we know it will work those it have special requrements.;)

kill bill
26-02-07, 21:58
Oh Wait how about this! An Ati 1600 XT

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726884-77984039.html


Could this fit the graphic card.

oh wait never mind

What about this would this fit it and will it run legend.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726668-77992827.html

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ie/en/ho/WF06b/35123-35527-39847-39847-39847-12726668-78001203.html

kill bill
03-03-07, 15:52
Ok Final Specs.:jmp:

Intel core duo E600

Windows Vista Ultimate. Hopefully (if it dosen't cost much if not then windows xp media center)

2049 memory

640 GB

16X dvd rewriter.

Single 768 Geforce 8800 GTX Will This graphics card last a while bfore upgrading?:confused:

Chug a Bug
04-03-07, 00:33
If you're a serious gamer then Vista is not really recommended yet (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/03/01/vista_offers_nothing_to_gamers_uk/) and check the sticky in this forum for games that work and performance tests. Ultimate however is overkill: you almost certainly won't use all of it's features. But at the end of the day Vista is the future so really it's up to you to decide and it will make the best of that card one day.

The 8800 GTX is the highest spec card around just now, so yes it should be a couple of years before you need to seriously think about an upgrade. Bear in mind though that there are driver problems with it that still havn't been sorted out though hopefully it won't be too to wait.

kill bill
10-03-07, 13:26
Which one of these be more capable of next gen legend and better graphics.

1. = http://www.pcworld.ie/productDetails.aspx?productRID=1972&image=Hewlett_Packard

2. = http://www.pcworld.ie/productDetails.aspx?productRID=1771&image=Hewlett_Packard

3. = http://www.pcworld.ie/productDetails.aspx?productRID=1969&image=Compaq

4. = http://www.pcworld.ie/productDetails.aspx?productRID=1969&image=Compaq

:)



Let it be geforce scince im not fond of ati's unclocking thingy

raiderfun
10-03-07, 14:40
The second one is good as I can see. :)

EscondeR
10-03-07, 15:28
Ok Final Specs.:jmp:

Intel core duo E600

Windows Vista Ultimate. Hopefully (if it dosen't cost much if not then windows xp media center)

2049 memory

640 GB

16X dvd rewriter.

Single 768 Geforce 8800 GTX Will This graphics card last a while bfore upgrading?:confused:


Kill bill, please :mis: don't make 5 posts in a raw when you can edit one.

kill bill
10-03-07, 17:48
Ok so if I went for the 2nd because its cheap would it fit a geforce 7800 gtx without buying a power supply,and if it would fit a 8,800gtx with a new power supply.;)

Chug a Bug
10-03-07, 19:49
Difficult to say there aren't any proper technical specs. The 7800 GTX ought to play NG ok. The 8800 needs a lot of power so probably yes. HP/Compaq have a reputation for not being easily upgradeable though.

Personally I'd look elsewhere... but thats me.

kill bill
10-03-07, 20:07
then would the 8800 gtx fit with a power supply iswell.:)


So basicly i just need to get the pc and graphic card with power supply and is it pci-e

Chug a Bug
10-03-07, 20:21
With no proper technical specs including dimensions it's impossible to say for sure. The 8800 is a looooong card. :)

It doesn't even say if it's PCI-E or AGP, another reason to avoid it IMO.

raiderfun
10-03-07, 20:25
With no proper technical specs including dimensions it's impossible to say for sure. The 8800 is a looooong card. :)

Evening Chug and Kill Bill :wve:
Such as the Radeon R600, 30 cm :rolleyes:

Chug a Bug
10-03-07, 20:28
Evening raiderfun. :wve: It's not quite as long as the R600, but it's long enough.

raiderfun
10-03-07, 20:45
Evening raiderfun. :wve: It's not quite as long as the R600, but it's long enough.

It's around 35cm I guess Chug , I'm wrong ?
But Kill Bill, I didn't read your story but if you buy the 8800 , be careful about the place , of course the case should be bigger than the CG . ;)

kill bill
10-03-07, 20:52
what do you mean whats cg and what place:confused:

raiderfun
10-03-07, 20:55
what do you mean whats cg and what place:confused:

CG = Graphic Card. :)
And when I say place , I mean inside of the case , sometimes the graphic card can be bigger than the case , it means that you cannot insert it . :p

belter_21
10-03-07, 21:22
Raiderfun - you sure do take a long time over this question lol

SO - which PC will you buy then?

kill bill
11-03-07, 15:16
Might get the 2nd one then get a power supply along with a geforce 8800 gtx.;) or get the dell hopefuly;)

Or build a pc.

kill bill
14-03-07, 21:08
Or how about www.jaguarcompsys.ie/product_info.php?cPath=21_22&products_id=431 Plus Geforce 8800 GTS or GTX:)

Chug a Bug
14-03-07, 21:25
Hi kill bill.

I have a few problems with that. First of all it's a Shuttle PC secondly the PSU at 400W is worryingly low thirdly the CPU is an AMD X2, Intel's Core2Duo's are better value and faster and fourthly I can't see an option for an 8800, unless I've missed something?

Unless you mean buying an 8800 separately in which case I'd say you'd likely have problems getting it to fit: these cards are long and shuttle cases are tight on space.

kill bill
14-03-07, 21:34
oh ok well they make pcs so:D

but its pci-e 16X right.

raiderfun
14-03-07, 21:42
Hi kill bill.

I have a few problems with that. First of all it's a Shuttle PC secondly the PSU at 400W is worryingly low thirdly the CPU is an AMD X2, Intel's Core2Duo's are better value and faster and fourthly I can't see an option for an 8800, unless I've missed something?

Unless you mean buying an 8800 separately in which case I'd say you'd likely have problems getting it to fit: these cards are long and shuttle cases are tight on space.

Yeah, we were talking about that in this thread. ;)

but its pci-e 16X right.

All the 8800 are PCI-E . ;)

kill bill
14-03-07, 21:45
whats your point.:confused: isn't 16x means the size of the mother board;)

Chug a Bug
14-03-07, 22:03
but its pci-e 16X right.

16X is the speed of the port, yes.

whats your point.:confused: isn't 16x means the size of the mother board;)

No. ;)

kill bill
14-03-07, 22:09
can you find any suitable pc on www.jaguarcompsys.ie for me that would at least a handle a 8800 640mb gts. Or at least a 7900 512 mb gtx.:)

Eddie Haskell
14-03-07, 22:41
thirdly the CPU is an AMD X2, Intel's Core2Duo's are better value and faster

Buy the X2, it is a beter value in my opinion. And I have a lot of money invested in AMD. :D

irjudd
14-03-07, 22:48
CPU is an AMD X2, Intel's Core2Duo's are better value and faster ...


Backwards, you are!

Chug a Bug
15-03-07, 00:12
can you find any suitable pc on www.jaguarcompsys.ie for me that would at least a handle a 8800 640mb gts. Or at least a 7900 512 mb gtx.:)

Sorry I don't think theres any there that I at least would be happy with. You're in the ROI, yes? It's a shame you aren't in the UK I could point you in the direction of some decent PC builders. :pi:

Buy the X2, it is a beter value in my opinion. And I have a lot of money invested in AMD. :D

I love AMD processors. I've had 4 of 'em in my PC's and I always swore I'd never turn to the Dark Side. However I was seduced by the Core2Duo's: they're just too good. ;)

raiderfun
15-03-07, 12:30
whats your point.:confused: isn't 16x means the size of the mother board;)

No , 16x is the GC's speed . There are also x1 , x4 , x8 and x12 , but they are for other devices . ;)

kill bill
20-03-07, 15:02
Ok so Would these specs be ok and ready for the future of gaming.

Cpu Intel Core duo E600
Graphics Single 768MB Geforce 8,800GTX
Hard Disc SATA 200 or 400 GB
Memory 2GB
Optical Drive 1 16X dual layer DVDRW
Software Windows Xp Media center of Vista ultamate which one is best?
:jmp:

kill bill
05-04-07, 18:35
As I fount out in my holiday in paris. ''Went to paris after an hour Neatru blocked me for 5 days'' They said it has a lot of driver problems. So will The Ati Radeon 2800XTX support Dx10.:) If so http://www.elara.ie/products/extreme.asp Europa one.

DEAR one Without Coming soon graphic card.Best one there is 1900XTX cross fire so 2800Euros.
Motherboard : ASUSTEK - P5W DH Dexluxe
Memory : 2GB Dual Channel(2X1GB) DDR2 RAM PC-6400 SDRAM at 800MHz
Hard Disk : RAID 240GB Serial ATA II 7200rpm (2x120GB)
Hard Disk : None Selected
Processor : Intel&#174; Core 2 Duo X6800 Extreme 2.93GHz FSB1066 4Mb Cache - Dual Core
Optical Drive : 16x DVD&#177;R/W Drive Dual Layer
Optical Drive : None Selected
Sound Card : Integrated 7.1 Sound
Video Card : Ati Radeon 2800 XTX when it comes out.:)
Network Card : Wireless Network Card 54Mbps
Keyboard : Gigabyte Keyboard and Optical Mouse PS/2
Mouse : None Selected
Monitor : No Monitor
Monitor : No Monitor
Speakers : None Selected
Operating System : Windows XP Home with SP2b
Modem : None Selected
Printer : None Selected
Headset : None Selected
Additional Games : None Selected
Game Controller : None Selected

Or

Cheap one Without Coming soon Graphic card. 1900 Euros (Had 1900XTX crossfire card in it.
Motherboard : ASUSTEK - P5W DH Dexluxe
Processor : Intel&#174; Pentium 4 D&#174;/950 3.40GHz FSB800 2 x 2Mb Cache - Dual Core
Memory : 2GB Dual Channel(2X1GB) DDR2 RAM PC-6400 SDRAM at 800MHz
Hard Disk : RAID 240GB Serial ATA II 7200rpm (2x120GB)
Hard Disk : None Selected
Optical Drive : 16x DVD&#177;R/W Drive Dual Layer
Optical Drive : None Selected
Sound Card : Integrated 7.1 Sound
Network Card : Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Adaptor
Video Card : Ati Radeon 2800 XTX again when it comes out.
Keyboard : Gigabyte Keyboard and Optical Mouse PS/2
Mouse : None Selected
Monitor : No Monitor
Monitor : No Monitor
Speakers : None Selected
Operating System : Windows XP Home with SP2b
Productivity Software : None Selected
Modem : None Selected
Printer : None Selected
Headset : None Selected
Game Controller : None Selected
Additional Games : None Selected
Anti Virus Software : None Selected
Warranty : 1 Year Return to Base Warranty

kill bill
05-04-07, 22:29
OK!

If I were to go to london for a Pc could some one give me directions of a good builder. thats in a shop. Of course once it has The new Ati Radeon 2800XTX if that contains DX10:)

kill bill
06-04-07, 10:38
Will it come as a single cross fire card? how much watt will it need?

And once again will it be a DirectX10 card.:)

EscondeR
06-04-07, 10:44
Kill Bill, why are you so anxious about DX10, there are no games that absolutely need it yet.

raiderfun
06-04-07, 11:36
Everything is great there Kill Bill, the mainboard is powerful (it has a remote) , the processor is very fast, but are you able to pay 2800 euros ? :mis: .
Or I have another idea, if you really want a DX10 graphic card, just take the second config, but just replace the Radeon X1950X by the Geforce 8800 GTX :tmb:

EscondeR
06-04-07, 11:41
Hard Disk : RAID 240GB Serial ATA II 7200rpm (2x120GB)


BTW, what's the point?
If RAID 240 GB is 2x120 - it's striping, no realibility increase. Better have 2 SATA drives in separate.
If RAID 240 GB is 2x240 - it's mirroring, more reliable and sometimes faster.

Hi Badr :wve:

raiderfun
06-04-07, 12:05
Will it come as a single cross fire card? how much watt will it need?

And once again will it be a DirectX10 card.:)

Hi dear Alex :) , how are you ? :)

I think you'll need a PSU of 550 Watts of a good brand at least .

EscondeR
06-04-07, 12:12
Hi dear Alex :) , how are you ? :)

I think you'll need a PSU of 550 Watts of a good brand at least .

I'm OK TG :)

That's a good point (PSU)...

BTW, KB why do you need wireless network adapter for home computer? It's slower and can accept more interference. Better stick to common Gigabit Ethernet :)

raiderfun
06-04-07, 12:19
BTW, KB why do you need wireless network adapter for home computer? It's slower and can accept more interference. Better stick to common Gigabit Ethernet :)

Yes, the gigabit ethernet is the one that my board has , "Marvell 8056" ;) .
BTW, Alex, do you have any news about the DDR3 , I mean when mainboard will come out with DDR3 slots ? :)

EscondeR
06-04-07, 12:22
From different sources

From the middle of this year HERE (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5691.html
)

till fall 2007 HERE (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-P35-Express-Chipset-to-Support-DDR3-Memories-47004.shtml)

raiderfun
06-04-07, 13:48
From different sources

From the middle of this year HERE (http://www.nordichardware.com/news,5691.html
)

till fall 2007 HERE (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-P35-Express-Chipset-to-Support-DDR3-Memories-47004.shtml)

Thanks for the info :)
BtW, your first link doesn't work :p , but it's Ok , I read the second article ;)

kill bill
06-04-07, 18:47
So what would the power supply be then if I just choosed

THIs:

Rated at €1517.93

Motherboard : ASUSTEK - P5W DH Dexluxe
Processor : Intel&#174; Pentium 4 D&#174;/950 3.40GHz FSB800 2 x 2Mb Cache - Dual Core
Memory : 2GB Dual Channel(2X1GB) DDR2 RAM PC-6400 SDRAM at 800MHz
Hard Disk : RAID 240GB Serial ATA II 7200rpm (2x120GB)
Hard Disk : None Selected
Optical Drive : 16x DVD&#177;R/W Drive Dual Layer
Optical Drive : None Selected
Sound Card : Integrated 7.1 Sound
Network Card : Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Adaptor
Video Card : RADEON X1600PRO 512MB DDR2 (1 Crossfire Ready Graphic Card)
Keyboard : Gigabyte Keyboard and Optical Mouse PS/2
Mouse : None Selected
Monitor : No Monitor
Monitor : No Monitor
Speakers : None Selected
Operating System : Windows XP Home with SP2b
Productivity Software : None Selected
Modem : None Selected
Printer : None Selected
Headset : None Selected
Game Controller : None Selected
Additional Games : None Selected
Anti Virus Software : None Selected
Warranty : 1 Year Return to Base Warranty

And then get the geforce 8800 GTX would it fit? would power supply be big enough?:) then more cash in the bank:D

BTW if I were to get my GC in Maylasia would it work over here. In europain countrys (Ireland)


BTW if I choose wireless connection that means I can have internet on my pc.As I wouldnt of been getting another modem..;..



Or that pc + http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ECE1306655

That would = 2,100 Euros then I could sell my 1600xt graphic card - 100 euros 2000 euros

Would a power supply be neeeded is well.

raiderfun
06-04-07, 22:16
First you need to know which case are you going to choose, then I'll tell you about the PSU :tmb:

kill bill
06-04-07, 22:33
http://www.elara.ie/products/extreme.asp

Europa one.

raiderfun
06-04-07, 22:39
I don't see the case's model name .
But since there is the Radeon X1900XTX Pro graphics card as an option , a DX10 graphic card could fit in the case, but it's not sure at 100 % .

kill bill
06-04-07, 22:42
I sent them an enquire would they fit in the 8800 GTX in the case with my components. didnt replie yet.

raiderfun
06-04-07, 22:46
I sent them an enquire would they fit in the 8800 GTX in the case with my components. didnt replie yet.

I don't see what you mean, what's an enquire ? :confused:

kill bill
06-04-07, 22:47
Quick Quote : We will send you a quote ASAP.

kill bill
06-04-07, 22:50
only time will tell if they would fit it in.And Ill be allowed to buy from Elara...

kill bill
07-04-07, 17:03
I think this thread be closed im waiting until next year. Directx11 hint hint.:D