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There are a few contradictions between Lara's history in Tomb Raider 1 and Legend.
(I'm getting all this information from TR1 and Legend's game manuals.)
1. In TR, Lara's father's name was Lord Henshingly Croft. In Legend, his name is Richard Croft.
2. In TR, Lara was 21 years old when the plane crashed. In Legend, she's 9.
3. In TR, after the crash, Lara traveled for 2 weeks into the village of Tokakeriby. In Legend, she traveled 10 days to the village of Kathmandu.
4. In TR, Lara "turned to writing to fund her trips. ... She made a name for herself by publishing travel books and detailed journals of her exploits." And In Legend, there are "thousands of rumors surrounding her exploits."
5. In Legend, Lara inherited three estates from the death of her father. In TR, her family disowns her, and does not inherit the estates. (thus writing travel books to fund her trips, etc).
I thought the differences were interesting. I'm partly mad that they did away with all the details from TR. But maybe it was for the better. "Kathmandu" sounds a lot better than "Tokakeriby." :)
we ALL know this already, the bio was changed.
PLEASE don't let this thread turn out to be another hate thread about Legend and CD :hea:
we ALL know this already, the bio was changed.
PLEASE don't let this thread turn out to be another hate thread about Legend and CD :hea:
Oh, I didn't know everyone knew already!
Sorry.
Nobody flame me.
we ALL know this already, the bio was changed.
PLEASE don't let this thread turn out to be another hate thread about Legend and CD :hea:
And no, I'm enjoying Legend/CD.
But you have to think that based on that, it would make the rest of the Core games from TR1-TR3 seem like an occurrence "that never happened". It bugs me no matter what. Why couldn't they just use the old bio?
But you have to think that based on that, it would make the rest of the Core games from TR1-TR3 seem like an occurrence "that never happened". It bugs me no matter what. Why couldn't they just use the old bio?
Exactly.
There are a few contradictions between Lara's history in Tomb Raider 1 and Legend.
(I'm getting all this information from TR1 and Legend's game manuals.)
1. In TR, Lara's father's name was Lord Henshingly Croft. In Legend, his name is Richard Croft.
2. In TR, Lara was 21 years old when the plane crashed. In Legend, she's 9.
3. In TR, Lara's mother dies in the plane crash. In Legend, the plane crash "led to the death of her mother."
3. In TR, after the crash, Lara traveled for 2 weeks into the village of Tokakeriby. In Legend, she traveled 10 days to the village of Kathmandu.
4. In TR, Lara "turned to writing to fund her trips. ... She made a name for herself by publishing travel books and detailed journals of her exploits." And In Legend, there are "thousands of rumors surrounding her exploits."
5. In Legend, Lara inherited three estates from the death of her father. In TR, her family disowns her, and does not inherit the estates. (thus writing travel books to fund her trips, etc).
I thought the differences were interesting. I'm partly mad that they did away with all the details from TR. But maybe it was for the better. "Kathmandu" sounds a lot better than "Tokakeriby." :)
Now, try comparing what you know about Lara in TR1 based on game info only to what you know about Lara it TRL, again, based on in-game info only. Still contradicts? ;)
Oh, I didn't know everyone knew already!
Sorry.
Nobody flame me.
no don't worry, I wasn't talking about you :)
It's just that a lot of people like to use these threads to start something.
Personally I don't care about the bio. Why care about all those details of your character? It was a stupid idea to make such a huge bio and history anyway, it's better to leave it open so you have more freedom for future games. If you make a bio once and keep it, 10 years later you still have to stick to it. Even if you have much better plans for the game, you can't do them because of that stupid bio you made years ago.
Personally I don't care about the bio. Why care about all those details of your character? It was a stupid idea to make such a huge bio and history anyway, it's better to leave it open so you have more freedom for future games. If you make a bio once and keep it, 10 years later you still have to stick to it. Even if you have much better plans for the game, you can't do them because of that stupid bio you made years ago.
I'm sure Core didn't think ahead nine years down the road when they wrote it, and they surely didn't think that CD would take over in the future, either. If Core had incorporated the bio more into the actual games, then there wouldn't be a problem, because it would've been harder for CD to change the bio (if they would change it at all). But the fact that the bio was never mentioned in the Core games gave way for CD to bulldoze Lara's history.
And, let's not get into an argument over Core vs. CD. There's enough of that. :)
But the fact that the bio was never mentioned in the game gave way for CD to bulldoze Lara's history.
Well, except for the opening scene in TR1 where Larson lays down Lara's book in front of her. The whole "Lara being a writer" thing was partly shown in TR. But that's it.
buffytabor
14-01-07, 20:00
It's a bit confusing but doesn't bother me. Things seem to change more then you want them to. But I like the bio changes at least so yay for me, lol. The new bio gives us more options now I guess.
Lara's Boy
14-01-07, 20:16
The bio change doesn't bother as much as it used to.
Also, TR isn't the only thing that has different 'bios'
*of course I'm pointing to comics, cuz I can't think of games that follow this trend :p*
Take the X-Men. How many different 'universes' do they have? Several, and as far as I know, there aren't fans going crazy about it. Different storylines, differnet origins, and so forth. In one universe some characters die, in others the character may not even be present. And this is just X-Men; this trend is also apparent in just about all of Marvel's comics. And then there are the movies to consider...the characters are the same, but they don't have to follow the outline of a previous 'universe.'
The characters, and in our case, character, is still present, and is still predominantly the same.
So Lara's cause has changed (I'm not too happy about that part, but such is the way of life), but she is still a Tomb Raider. Also, the new bio never completely denies the Core series, so I just think of this as a new, separate, and completely plausible Tomb Raider 'universe.'
Then again, that's just me.
(by the way, that was a long way of me saying that per my 'belief' in this, there are no contradictions between the two as they don't appear in the same 'universe')
Yeah, I dug out my TR1 manual the other day just to look at the introduction.
Hell, there's a contradiction of backstory with every different TR product. In the film she had a tech assistant and a practice robot as well as a butler, in Legend all that stuff and she had a support team.
It's a shame because I like consistency, but unfortunately pedantry won't change what's been done. :)
AmericanAssassin
14-01-07, 20:44
Jeez! I never noticed how many changes they made! I'm sure that they were necessary though. The original Tomb Raider bio wasn't as good, in my opinion.
(by the way, that was a long way of me saying that per my 'belief' in this, there are no contradictions between the two as they don't appear in the same 'universe')
Yeah, I guess that's a good way to look at it.
A Core universe, and a Crystal Design universe.
buffytabor
14-01-07, 20:46
Jeez! I never noticed how many changes they made! I'm sure that they were necessary though. The original Tomb Raider bio wasn't as good, in my opinion.
I agree. The new bio leaves more open for us. Well for them to expand on.
Have you ever attended a public event dressed as a character from a video game?
Have you ever referred to another character in a MMORPG as your "girlfriend"?
Do you own any "action figures"?
If you answered "yes" to all of the above, or if you obsess about minor variations in the plots of different iterations of old video game franchises, you may need professional help. Or there may be some other way I can get money out of you. Anyway, watch this space. No, really. Watch it.
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 01:57
I agree. The new bio leaves more open for us. Well for them to expand on.
Well said. :D
Have you ever attended a public event dressed as a character from a video game?
Have you ever referred to another character in a MMORPG as your "girlfriend"?
Do you own any "action figures"?
If you answered "yes" to all of the above, or if you obsess about minor variations in the plots of different iterations of old video game franchises, you may need professional help. Or there may be some other way I can get money out of you. Anyway, watch this space. No, really. Watch it.
That was pretty cool of you.
3. In TR, Lara's mother dies in the plane crash.
uhhh... no she doesn't!
You beat me to it Evil!
She doesn't die - Lara's parents 'disown' her when she adopts a more wordly lifestyle.
You beat me to it Evil!
She doesn't die - Lara's parents 'disown' her when she adopts a more wordly lifestyle.
Oh, whoops! I misread that part. My bad.
*Fixed.
Terminatorvs
15-01-07, 10:26
I've been thinking about why CDs changed the bio. Here's my theory:
CDs altered Lara's bio to make it closer to the TR movies because Lara's history was shown only in the movies. Lara's original bio was never depicted in any early TR game - only in the internet. But after Core was fired, all official Core's TR websites were removed from Eidos website (can't find them there). Of course, there are a lot of other fansites dedicated to Lara Croft. But they are not official. Let's see what we have: a S. West TR movie, where Lara is a daughter of Lord H. Croft, who lost her mother in the early age..., A TR game series by Core design, where Lara's bio is not highlighted at all, and nothing official on the web. What was CDs to do: pick the old bio and get sewed by Paramount for altering "the real Lara's bio" (Paramount is also the owner of TR benchmark - the movie making rights). If that happened, what do you think, would be Core's reaction towards the game studio who got to develop the future TR games? And that's why, in my opinion, CDs decided to elude a figh and pick the new bio.
I've been thinking about why CDs changed the bio. Here's my theory:
CDs altered Lara's bio to make it closer to the TR movies because Lara's history was shown only in the movies. Lara's original bio was never depicted in any early TR game - only in the internet. But after Core was fired, all official Core's TR websites were removed from Eidos website (can't find them there). Of course, there are a lot of other fansites dedicated to Lara Croft. But they are not official. Let's see what we have: a S. West TR movie, where Lara is a daughter of Lord H. Croft, who lost her mother in the early age..., A TR game series by Core design, where Lara's bio is not highlighted at all, and nothing official on the web. What was CDs to do: pick the old bio and get sewed by Paramount for altering "the real Lara's bio" (Paramount is also the owner of TR benchmark - the movie making rights). If that happened, what do you think, would be Core's reaction towards the game studio who got to develop the future TR games? And that's why, in my opinion, CDs decided to elude a figh and pick the new bio.
Paramount cannot sue Crystal D for using Core’s bio, since Core’s bio was released 5 years before theirs. Even if there’s nothing on the official site it doesn’t means the old bio is gone (not to mention that the old bio exists on every cope of TR 1-6). Eidos have rights to use it if the want, just like they can use Lara Croft character.
The bio (along with the storyline and Lara’s model) was changed only after TG joined the team. I guess we can never know the real reason why he changed.
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 15:12
Her new bio isn't like the damn movies!!! I hate it when you guys compare it to that! The movies plot were mediocre, Legend was great!!! Sure, they had similar aspects, however, they weren't the same! The butlers name in Legend was Winston (like the original), not Hillary!!! Sure, the house WAS the same. CD just wanted a little change!!! It's NOT based on the movies!!! :mad:
Well, aside from the older manuels Lara's history was never mentioned ingame, so since some of the plot of Tomb Raider Legend has her history in it, I could see why they would change it. I also dont like the thought of in Legend, her past adventure never really happened or were in some different universe, cause I loved how in TR III You could go into her trophy room and see the Dagger of Xian, The Iris, a gold idol, and pieces of the Scion. So, considering her history was never really mentioned in the older games, I would really see no big deal that they changed it AND I could also see the other games still in Legend Lara's past. Or Im just wishful thinking :o
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 15:29
Has it been confirmed that none of her past adventures happened???
The Legend design team (particularly Toby Gard) did give the finger to the old adventures, stating in the bio that Lara's past adventures were, according to the official word from Croft Manor, completely fictional and "trashy rot". Thinking optimistically, they probably did happen. However, the fact that the designers went out and said this (rather than not say anything at all) implies that Toby Gard just wants to forget the old adventures because they don't represent his views on the series.
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 15:44
The Legend design team (particularly Toby Gard) did give the finger to the old adventures, stating in the bio that Lara's past adventures were, according to the official word from Croft Manor, completely fictional and "trashy rot". Thinking optimistically, they probably did happen. However, the fact that the designers went out and said this (rather than not say anything at all) implies that Toby Gard just wants to forget the old adventures because they don't represent his views on the series.
That's bull s***!!! The old games were masterpieces as well as Legend. Just because AOD had mediocre sales??? That's no reason to completely drop the entire series that we all fell in love with!!! :hea: That's s***! S***! S***! Screw Toby Gard!!! I can't believe I stuck up for the a**! This is the dumbest s*** I've ever heard! This p***es me off!!!
We have an old saying here in Florida: If you haven't got anything nice to say, keep your trap shut.
I've read the bio and that's how it came out. However, with no clear response in an interview regarding the old games (other than perhaps a "no comment"), it's best to assume that he just got disgusted with what they did with Tomb Raider. Being at the helm of the company gives him all of this awesome power to shape the series into what he wants. The man's living a fantasy. But that doesn't mean we have to stop enjoying his games. You said so yourself.
^^^Well, in two words I agree :D
I think the past adventures should stay in Lara's history. She even says in Nepal while rock climbing "I've done this before" Her past adventures show just how much of a "tomb raider" she really is :)
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 15:49
Us fans have every right to be angry about Toby Gard! I had no idea he did this! I hate him! Tr 1-6 did happen!!!
Us fans have every right to be angry about Toby Gard! I had no idea he did this! I hate him! Tr 1-6 did happen!!!
Well, I totally agree. I dont think trashing the last six games just because of slight bio changes is a good idea at all. In my eyes and in my opinion, of course they really happened. They're still in Lara's history :)
Us fans have every right to be angry about Toby Gard! I had no idea he did this! I hate him! Tr 1-6 did happen!!!
Grow up, they don't trash the game they just don't include the history in the current games anymore. And TR1-6 did not happen actually, cause it's all a game and it's not real. It's a game, each game is a seperate story. The classics and AOD remain still alive, but as stories and not part of the current game. They did not trash the classics, because else Zip and Winston wouldn't be in Legend, they came directly from the classics.
The Legend design team (particularly Toby Gard) did give the finger to the old adventures, stating in the bio that Lara's past adventures were, according to the official word from Croft Manor, completely fictional and "trashy rot". Thinking optimistically, they probably did happen. However, the fact that the designers went out and said this (rather than not say anything at all) implies that Toby Gard just wants to forget the old adventures because they don't represent his views on the series.
This quote can be understood both ways; either the old aventures never happened, or Lara simply denies them (the bio also said "Lara Croft guards her privacy with complete determination").
In my opinion, the fact that they made Lara look like the old Lara in the Peru Flashback shows that Crystal D. aren't entirely against the old series. I doubt if they will ever mention previous games in their series but they won't deny old games because they are smarter than that (denying old games is like shooting in your own leg).
Grow up, they don't trash the game they just don't include the history in the current games anymore. And TR1-6 did not happen actually, cause it's all a game and it's not real. It's a game, each game is a seperate story. The classics and AOD remain still alive, but as stories and not part of the current game. They did not trash the classics, because else Zip and Winston wouldn't be in Legend, they came directly from the classics.
Michiel, with all due, respect none of us has the right to judge others' opinion or tell them to grow up.
Michiel, with all due, respect none of us has the right to judge others' opinion or tell them to grow up.
I wasn't judging people opinion, just the lack of respect and behaviour. Everybody has an opinion and is free to share it, but some people need to grow up and learn how to say your opinion first. Having a post full of censored words, and repeatin you hate someone all over is not giving your opinion.
da tomb raider!
15-01-07, 17:38
Crystal Dynamics have changed a lot of Lara's biography, so, thank to them, Lara Croft is no more. Her bio is her bio. Change it and you change her. This just proves Crystal Dynamics can't handle Lara Croft or her history/bio etc. That or they just have to change everything Tomb Raider thing into some other crap. :wve:
Terminatorvs
15-01-07, 17:39
Wait. How can anyone say, that the old adventures never happened? All adventures from previous games took place before TR7. Legend takes place after every other. And where did you get the idea, that all past adventures were scrapped? Give me the official sourse, where the developers say: "We threw away everything from the past adventures and started anew".
TR7 happens somewhere about 2005-2006.
I wasn't judging people opinion, just the lack of respect and behaviour. Everybody has an opinion and is free to share it, but some people need to grow up and learn how to say your opinion first. Having a post full of censored words, and repeatin you hate someone all over is not giving your opinion.
True, but still it's not our place to tell them that. You can ask them to express their opinion differently, but confronting them would bring more arguments.
Crystal Dynamics have changed a lot of Lara's biography, so, thank to them, Lara Croft is no more. Her bio is her bio. Change it and you change her. This just proves Crystal Dynamics can't handle Lara Croft or her history/bio etc. That or they just have to change everything Tomb Raider thing into some other crap. :wve:
Lara Croft is not just her bio, you can play the entire series without even reading her bio once and still get a very good idea who she is. So, by changing her bio they didn't took anything away. It's her new attitude that makes her feel different but this has nothing to do with the bios.
Seriously, the bios are way overrated.
P.S. Sorry for double post, if forgot to use edit. :o
What bio?I never read it....
da tomb raider!
15-01-07, 18:25
Lara Croft is not just her bio, you can play the entire series without even reading her bio once and still get a very good idea who she is. So, by changing her bio they didn't took anything away. It's her new attitude that makes her feel different but this has nothing to do with the bios.
Seriously, the bios are way overrated.
P.S. Sorry for double post, if forgot to use edit. :o
Lara's bio is very important. It's her background. Without knowing it, sure, you can get an impression on her character, but not her history, past, or whatever. And I'm sure most people who've played a Tomb Raider game know most or all of Lara's original bio. And Crystal Dynamics did take her bio away. Lara's old bio was there, and then Crystal decide to change it, for no reason. Maybe to fit into Legend's "storyline?" :confused: Anyways, the point is they took her old one away, and I don't like that.
Lara's bio is very important. It's her background. Without knowing it, sure, you can get an impression on her character, but not her history, past, or whatever. And I'm sure most people who've played a Tomb Raider game know most or all of Lara's original bio. And Crystal Dynamics did take her bio away. Lara's old bio was there, and then Crystal decide to change it, for no reason. Maybe to fit into Legend's "storyline?" :confused: Anyways, the point is they took her old one away, and I don't like that.
As did Core in TLR to fit it with Von Croy story. Instead of making Lara shallow aristocrat that changed after the plain crash in Nepal, they made her into an eager girl that got inspired to become an archeologist after hearing Von Croy's lectures.
It didn't bother anyone then. So, it's not very practical to rely on bios while the change every 4 games. There was enough info throughout the games about who Lara is and about her history; all other details were never needed for the games.
da tomb raider!
15-01-07, 18:46
As did Core in TLR to fit it with Von Croy story. Instead of making Lara shallow aristocrat that changed after the plain crash in Nepal, they made her into an eager girl that got inspired to become an archeologist after hearing Von Croy's lectures.
It didn't bother anyone then. So, it's not very practical to rely on bios while the change every 4 games. There was enough info throughout the games about who Lara is and about her history; all other details were never needed for the games.
I don't remember Lara ever being inspired to become an archeologist because of Von Croy. What exactly makes you think that? And besides all that, that's just one thing. Crystal Dynamics changed a lot of Lara's bio. They changed Lara's age when she was in the plane crash, changed her father's name, etc, etc.
I don't remember Lara ever being inspired to become an archeologist because of Von Croy. What exactly makes you think that? And besides all that, that's just one thing. Crystal Dynamics changed a lot of Lara's bio. They changed Lara's age when she was in the plane crash, changed her father's name, etc, etc.
I've noticed alot of hate threads about CD and CD vs. Core threads are usually kicked off by you, or you have the majority of posts. Sheesh, calm yourself. CD havent destoryed the Tomb Raider games, so you can breath :p And yeah, they did change it in The Last Revelation that Lara was influenced the most to adventure by Von Croy so they could implement him into the story. :D
I don't remember Lara ever being inspired to become an archeologist because of Von Croy. What exactly makes you think that? And besides all that, that's just one thing. Crystal Dynamics changed a lot of Lara's bio. They changed Lara's age when she was in the plane crash, changed her father's name, etc, etc.
According to Core's profile of Lara in AoD (one which was posted on the official web site and was in the FanSite Kit):
Lara Croft
Profile : General
Education
Private Tutoring (3 - 11)
Wimbledon High School for Girls (11 - 16)
Gordonstoun Boarding School (16 - 18)
Swiss Finishing School (18 - 21)
NAME: Lara Croft
NATIONALITY: British
D.O.B: February 14th
BIRTHPLACE: Wimbledon, Surrey
MARITAL STATUS: Single
BLOOD GROUP: AB
HEIGHT: 5ft 9”
WEIGHT: 9st 4 (126 lbs)
VITAL STATISTICS: 34D 24 35
HAIR COLOUR: Brunette
EYE COLOUR: Brown
DISTINGUISHING FEATURES: 9mm handgun
Profile : Background
Early Years
Lara was independent and outgoing at school always preferring individual to team sports. Whilst at Gordonstoun she excelled at rock climbing, canoeing, horse riding and archery. A natural athlete she discovered a passion for firearms as an extra-curricula activity but was ‘discouraged’ by the school authorities. Later, in her Swiss finishing school, she developed her interest in firearms by charming her way onto the Swiss Armed Forces training range where she proved to be a natural and qualified marksman class. Later in life she felt drawn to fast vehicles and any form of extreme sports,
“just to keep me in trim”.
Finding Her Calling
As the daughter of Lord Henshingly Croft, Lara was used to the security of an aristocratic background. Predictably she rebelled against the more confining aspects of her upbringing but when she moved to Gordonstoun in 1984 the mountains of Scotland gave her an unprecedented degree of freedom. Her world changed further when she came across the work of Professor Werner Von Croy and heard him lecture about his archaeological career. The experience had a profound effect on Lara, triggering a passion for remote locations and adventure.
Her First Field Trip
She discovered that Von Croy was preparing for an archaeological expedition into Asia and persuaded her parents to let her accompany him. Von Croy was persuaded after being promised financial assistance for the expedition. He was also impressed by the young amazon’s enthusiasm and energy. She could obviously take care of herself and the experience would be a unique educational opportunity. This set the pattern for the rest of her life. For the first time she experienced the hazards and mysteries of the ancient world of antiquities. Terrifying dangers became an accepted part of her life from then on. In the intervening years she has combated ancient mythical forces, survived a Himalayan plane crash, outgunned heavily armed opponents and always emerged with the prize.
Lifestyle
Despite inheriting the Croft mansion in Surrey she lives the same way she prefers to work – alone. In her rambling home she has installed a custom-built assault course and shooting range. With her unique physical abilities, Lara is certain of being able to break many world athletic records but sees no challenge in this for herself. It lacks the necessary ingredient of danger. The huge rooms of the mansion are useful for storing the many artifacts she has acquired in her adventures. There is also adequate space for her favorite vehicles. Anything on two wheels over 650 cc’s is considered acceptable but she finds both the Triumph Speed Triple and the Harley V-Rod especially attractive.
Apart from her archeological successes Lara is proud of achievements in other
areas too - she has driven the dangerous Alaskan Highway from Tierra del Fuego in South America in record time. This little escapade resulted in worldwide headlines confirming the opinion of the established Antiquities community that she was a loose cannon. She loves this profile but generally shuns the media spotlight as it interferes with her Tomb Raiding activities.
And Now…
Events in recent times have cast a shadow over Lara’s life. She went missing presumed dead after a disastrous field trip to the Egyptian tombs with Von Croy. She refuses to confirm or deny rumors about time spent amongst obscure North African tribes but whatever happened after Egypt she has become almost a recluse since her return to the Croft ancestral home in Surrey.
Read the "Finding Her Calling" paragraph. ;)
Since TLR Lara's bio changed completely form what was first published with TR1. But the fact that nobody really noticed or cared about it. Crystal D’s changed are a bit more bold because it seems more fictional (9 year old surviving two week alone in cold and hostile environment and then when she calls her father she remain polite and calm). But still, they don’t directly contradict anything that’s been told in previous games, that just don’t mention it but none of the new info can’t be fit with the last bio Core posted.
Ahh, I was looking for that. Thanks for posting. See, the new bio doesnt really contradict to much. Thats why I dont think its that big of a deal. :p
da tomb raider!
15-01-07, 19:10
I've noticed alot of hate threads about CD and CD vs. Core threads are usually kicked off by you, or you have the majority of posts. Sheesh, calm yourself. CD havent destoryed the Tomb Raider games, so you can breath :p And yeah, they did change it in The Last Revelation that Lara was influenced the most to adventure by Von Croy so they could implement him into the story. :D
They sure have destoryed Tomb Raider and Lara Croft in my opinion. ;)
According to Core's profile of Lara in AoD (one which was posted on the official web site and was in the FanSite Kit):
Read the "Finding Her Calling" paragraph. ;)
Since TLR Lara's bio changed completely form what was first published with TR1. But the fact that nobody really noticed or cared about it. Crystal D’s changed are a bit more bold because it seems more fictional (9 year old surviving two week alone in cold and hostile environment and then when she calls her father she remain polite and calm). But still, they don’t directly contradict anything that’s been told in previous games, that just don’t mention it but none of the new info can’t be fit with the last bio Core posted.
OK, sure, Core Design changed one thing of Lara's old bio. But Crystal Dynamics changed more than that. Lara wasn't 9 when her plane crashed according to her old bio. Play Legend again, watching all the cut-scenes, if you can stand them. Then read Lara's new bio. Come back to me when you have. :wve:
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 19:13
Grow up, they don't trash the game they just don't include the history in the current games anymore. And TR1-6 did not happen actually, cause it's all a game and it's not real. It's a game, each game is a seperate story. The classics and AOD remain still alive, but as stories and not part of the current game. They did not trash the classics, because else Zip and Winston wouldn't be in Legend, they came directly from the classics.
Michiel, with all due, respect none of us has the right to judge others' opinion or tell them to grow up.
Maybe Michiel is the one who needs to grow up. :mad:
AmericanAssassin
15-01-07, 19:14
I don't remember Lara ever being inspired to become an archeologist because of Von Croy. What exactly makes you think that? And besides all that, that's just one thing. Crystal Dynamics changed a lot of Lara's bio. They changed Lara's age when she was in the plane crash, changed her father's name, etc, etc.
Neither do I. I thought she wanted to be an archeologist all along...???
SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST! :)
They sure have destoryed Tomb Raider and Lara Croft in my opinion. ;)
OK, sure, Core Design changed one thing of Lara's old bio. But Crystal Dynamics changed more than that. Lara wasn't 9 when her plane crashed according to her old bio. Play Legend again, watching all the cut-scenes, if you can stand them. Then read Lara's new bio. Come back to me when you have. :wve:
Check this part of AoD Lara Bio:
In the intervening years she has combated ancient mythical forces, survived a Himalayan plane crash, outgunned heavily armed opponents and always emerged with the prize
Since TLR they dropped the age of Lara during the plain crash - they just said she survived a plain crash in the Himalayas. Crystal decided she was a child during the incident, again much more fictional than Core's, but not *that* outrages.
I don’t understand why you hate so much the fact that Crystal changed her age during the plain crash, when Core dropped the importance of that incident since TR4?
If Crystal Dynamics were to stay true to the original reason Lara tuned to Tomb Raiding they had to lower the age she survived the crash to below 16 for the new bio. Core changed the bio with Tomb Raider 4 saying Lara was now inspired by Von Croy to become an archaeologist, this is not what was originally intended, Core simply did that so they could add a new character. In Tomb raider 1 it was surviving the crash that changed her direction in life. Also in the revised Core bio Lara went of as a 16 year old on Werners expedition with her parents approval, which made a mockery of the original bio since they disowned her for becoming an archaeologist and here they are incouraging her in the revised bio. Crystal Dynamics lowered the age Lara had the accident, perhaps to much but no doubt they did not want to have Lara to close to the 16 year old from Tomb Raider 4 and 5, they wanted her to look different, so she is much younger. Also the new bio conveniently takes care of the age problem, in the Tomb Raider 1 bio Lara survived the crash when she was 21, learned all she could for the next 8 years and had the Atlantean adventure when she was 29, now for Anniversary, the retelling of the first story she will be much younger
In order to avoid the conflicts caused by first invisible parents who disown her, and then parents who encourage her to be a Tomb Raider, it was easier just to dispose of the parents all together by the time Lara goes of with Werner. 9 year olds do not generally travel by themselves so her mother was added to the plane crash and made a great motivator for young Lara to become an archaeologist so she could find and understand other artifacts of power. Her father vanishes, while in Cambodia when Lara is 15. Considering Lara was his constant companion and apprentice before this, it is strange she was not with him, perhaps he packed her of on an expedition with Werner so he could do something he did not want her to be a part of. Then Lara was already in Cambodia so she could search for him when he vanished. Frankly l have no trouble with the new bio, they managed to explain in Legend not only what originally inspired the change in Lara's life, but also what made her decide to continue her adventures alone, so no more of her friends would be in danger, and armed so that the next monster to try and make a snack out of her would die for it. They also provided a more believable reason for Lara being disowned by her remaining family and CD have left a clear path for all the other games to have still occured.
Werner fits in nicely now, Young Lara could have finished her training with him, and he could still have been her role model and mentor. As an orphan at 16 she could have still taken up writing about her adventures as a means of support and possibly paying for legal fees to fight for her inheritance, and she will now be much younger in Anniversary than the original 29 year old who was in Tomb raider 1
Terminatorvs
16-01-07, 07:38
Aussie, just one thing - Lara was 28 in TR1 - 1996. (Lara's DoB: 14th of February 1968).
All in all, good points there, Aussie, well done.
Aussie, just one thing - Lara was 28 in TR1 - 1996. (Lara's DoB: 14th of February 1968).
All in all, good points there, Aussie, well done.
In Tomb Raider 1 the bio said the crash occured when she was 21 and she spent the next 8 years acquiring knowledge which would make her 29. there is no year of birth metioned in any of my manuals and that is what l was basing Lara's age on
Terminatorvs
16-01-07, 16:05
In Tomb Raider 1 the bio said the crash occured when she was 21 and she spent the next 8 years acquiring knowledge which would make her 29. there is no year of birth metioned in any of my manuals and that is what l was basing Lara's age on
Well, there was the DOB in the old bio, until Core scrapped it just before releasing AoD.
So let's see, 1968 DOB, it's 2007, that would make her 39 this february??? :eek: She's almost my dating age! :p
Ward Dragon
16-01-07, 17:38
I think the past adventures should stay in Lara's history. She even says in Nepal while rock climbing "I've done this before" Her past adventures show just how much of a "tomb raider" she really is :)
I believe her comment in Nepal was referring to when she survived the plane crash there as a child, not to any of the previous games.
This quote can be understood both ways; either the old aventures never happened, or Lara simply denies them (the bio also said "Lara Croft guards her privacy with complete determination").
According to the original bio and a passing reference in TR1's intro FMV, Lara wrote all about her adventures in order to fund her future expeditions. Even if CD wants Lara to be more reclusive now, why did they have to be so insulting towards her previous adventures? Instead of saying simply that Lara avoids public attention, they went out of their way to have their version of Lara refer to the original Lara's writings as "utter rot" (among other highly insulting terms) :(
Also in the revised Core bio Lara went of as a 16 year old on Werners expedition with her parents approval, which made a mockery of the original bio since they disowned her for becoming an archaeologist and here they are incouraging her in the revised bio.
There's a very big difference between an archaeologist and a tomb raider. It makes sense that her parents would accept her interest in archaeology but disown her when they discovered that she was robbing tombs illegally.
AmericanAssassin
16-01-07, 20:57
I'd like to read all...20...bios...LOL! :D Where can I find the original and the AOD bios? I've read the Legend bio a million times. Since they're different, I'd like to know where I can find them seperately.
I'd like to read all...20...bios...LOL! :D Where can I find the original and the AOD bios? I've read the Legend bio a million times. Since they're different, I'd like to know where I can find them seperately.
Here's the original bio:
Lara Croft, daughter of Lord Henshingly Croft, was raised to be an aristocrat
from birth. After attending finishing school at the age of 21, Lara's marriage
into wealth had seemed assured, but on her way home from a skiing trip her
chartered plane had crashed deep in the heart of the Himalayas. The only
survivor, Lara learned how to depend on her wits to stay alive in hostile
conditions a world away from her sheltered upbringing. 2 weeks later when she
walked into the village of Tokakeriby her experiences had had a profound effect
on her. Unable to stand the claustrophobic suffocating atmosphere of upper
class British society, she realized that she was only truly alive when she was
traveling alone. Over the 8 following years she acquired an intimate knowledge
of ancient civilizations across the globe. Her family soon disowned their
prodigal daughter, and she turned to writing to fund her trips. Famed for
discovering several ancient sites of profound archaeological interest she made
a name for herself by publishing travel books and detailed journals of her
exploits.
And you can download the Angel of Darkness manual here which should have the bio in it:
http://www.eidosinteractive.com/downloads/search.html?gmid=126
AmericanAssassin
16-01-07, 21:17
Here's the original bio:
Lara Croft, daughter of Lord Henshingly Croft, was raised to be an aristocrat
from birth. After attending finishing school at the age of 21, Lara's marriage
into wealth had seemed assured, but on her way home from a skiing trip her
chartered plane had crashed deep in the heart of the Himalayas. The only
survivor, Lara learned how to depend on her wits to stay alive in hostile
conditions a world away from her sheltered upbringing. 2 weeks later when she
walked into the village of Tokakeriby her experiences had had a profound effect
on her. Unable to stand the claustrophobic suffocating atmosphere of upper
class British society, she realized that she was only truly alive when she was
traveling alone. Over the 8 following years she acquired an intimate knowledge
of ancient civilizations across the globe. Her family soon disowned their
prodigal daughter, and she turned to writing to fund her trips. Famed for
discovering several ancient sites of profound archaeological interest she made
a name for herself by publishing travel books and detailed journals of her
exploits.
And you can download the Angel of Darkness manual here which should have the bio in it:
http://www.eidosinteractive.com/downloads/search.html?gmid=126
Was the original bio in the manual???
Hyper_Crazy
16-01-07, 21:18
Yes I believe it was.
Was the original bio in the manual???
It's definitely in the manual of my PlayStation copy of the game.
From memory, Angel of Darkness didn't have an actual "bio" as such. Instead at had a newspaper article about the Monstrum Killings to set the scene.
So... I was reading the official guide for Legend (published by Piggyback Interactive), and I came across something very interesting regarding Lara Croft's history:
Predictably there have been a number of unofficial biographies printed about the Countess that attribute wild and fantastic feats to her exploits, ranging from discovering living dinosaurs in the Congo to infiltrating Area 51 in Nevada. The official line from the Croft Estate on these works is simply that "...these books are utter rot: disgraceful, trashy works of total fiction."
pg. 171
The guide was done with CD's assistance, so it's very possible that they had a say in this part of her history, but I can't really verify that. And ironically, the guide goes on to talk about the previous games, refering to them as her "previous adventures."
I'm sure the hardcore Core fans are gonna love that one. ;)
I already brought that up. Believe me, AmericanAssassin was overjoyed when he heard about it. :D
But yeah, I interpreted it as C.D. taking a punitive stab at Core Design, which I'm not too particularly happy about.
AmericanAssassin
17-01-07, 00:21
I already brought that up. Believe me, AmericanAssassin was overjoyed when he heard about it. :D
But yeah, I interpreted it as C.D. taking a punitive stab at Core Design, which I'm not too particularly happy about.
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I already brought that up. Believe me, AmericanAssassin was overjoyed when he heard about it. :D
But yeah, I interpreted it as C.D. taking a punitive stab at Core Design, which I'm not too particularly happy about.
Oops, so you did. Mea culpa. :)
Oh, well. Now the actual text is available for easy reference.
I'd like to read all...20...bios...LOL! :D Where can I find the original and the AOD bios? I've read the Legend bio a million times. Since they're different, I'd like to know where I can find them seperately.
I’ve posted (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1503232&postcount=47) the AoD Bio a few pages back - that bio is the last one Core released. It was on their AoD site and part of the FanSite Kit (also downloadable from TR.com when AoD was released).
Well, I think in a way all the bio's can relate to one another. And I found this pic, it was just Lara's pistol on a table and a dogtag around it with
Lara H. Croft
Tomb Raider
written on it. So her middle name starts with an H? Henshingly?
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