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tlr online
15-01-07, 09:40
Morning folks.

I've closed a few topics in General Chat this morning which have been discussing various subjects which I feel are not suitable outside of our Mature General Chat forum.

Finding a balance is always a difficult task. I am mindful that many of our teenage members are looking for answers to questions. My concern is that folk who have not yet reached that point in their lives may become confused or - worse still - offended by what is being discussed in some of the topics I have closed.

As I've already mentioned. It's a difficult task finding the right balance, and my decision is born from the fact that discussion on our general forums must be suitable for all age groups, including those very young members of our forum.

I hope you can understand my predicament, and respect my decision.

jamieoliver22
15-01-07, 09:57
I would have to agree with your decision if I was to be honest. Not that the threads were exactly bad in themselves, but they could easily turn into a mass argument and could easily cause problems.

BlackGrey
15-01-07, 10:23
I apologise for starting one of these threads and hope that complete respect hasn't been lost for me as a member :)

2kool4u
15-01-07, 14:34
ok. I agree with you :)

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 14:36
I dont really agree. Im sorry. But, I posted a thread about Oprah not long ago, and it got closed. The stuff discussed isnt rude or anything, Take a look yourself. Oprah is a very fun and loved person, and what she does, is just really funny. I feel that was a bit unfair to close it. But hey, its my own opinion.

Angelus
15-01-07, 14:38
So people get a 18+ section of the forum to they can tlak about more mature things, but when us teenagers do, the topics get closed? Thanks a lot. ;)

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 14:40
Yes, Angelus, you took the words out of my mouth ;) If Young-Members (ages 0 to lets say 11 or 12) Are being subjected to Innapropriate things, Why not make an age limit for the register? If they lie about their age, its not your problem, as its what THEY have put as their age.

jamieoliver22
15-01-07, 14:41
So people get a 18+ section of the forum to they can tlak about more mature things, but when us teenagers do, the topics get closed? Thanks a lot. ;)

Speaking from a teenagers point of view, some of the threads have been ridiculous to be honest.

jarhead
15-01-07, 14:43
Speaking from a teenagers point of view, some of the threads have been ridiculous to be honest.

And some has been stuff that arn't. I'm sure theres rediculous thread in the mature bit. C'mon adults let their hair down at some point

Angelus
15-01-07, 14:46
Speaking from a teenagers point of view, some of the threads have been ridiculous to be honest.

And some of them haven't. Some of them have been serious and mature.

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 14:47
So people get a 18+ section of the forum to they can tlak about more mature things, but when us teenagers do, the topics get closed? Thanks a lot. ;)

Those topics were closed because some members couldn't handle themselves. Rude and offensive comments were posted, thus resulting in (what I knew would eventually happen) the closing of the threads. It has nothing to do whether or not the threads are serious and/or mature, but the comments made inside of them that get them closed.

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 14:48
Still, I dont get why Members under 12 or 13 for example are allowed to join, Couldnt you imagine what would happen if a young member met up with a member who was a Pedofile, the trouble justin would be in >_>

jarhead
15-01-07, 14:50
Still, I dont get why Members under 12 or 13 for example are allowed to join, Couldnt you imagine what would happen if a young member met up with a member who was a Pedofile, the trouble justin would be in >_>

Thats just exaggerating, I doubt such things would happen.

But why close the thread?? why not just caution the member (s) making the rude posts ? Wouldnt that make more sense

Angelus
15-01-07, 14:50
That's because they're like 10. There should be an age limit on these forums.

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 14:52
You cannot say that Jarhead. Things like these happen ALL THE TIME. No matter what forum. I read an article, a Person from a Beyond Good and Evil forum member met up with another member and an attempted kidnap happened. I will History-Search for it to proove it to you :)

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 14:52
But why close the thread?? why not just caution the member (s) making the rude posts ? Wouldnt that make more sense

Many times when someone makes one comment that offends a bunch of other people, it just creates a domino effect. More comments will be posted 'fighting back' at that person, and before you know it, you've got a full on flame war.

JANKERSON
15-01-07, 14:52
That's because they're like 10. There should be an age limit on these forums.

It's a public forum so anyone can read the posts, even non members.

jamieoliver22
15-01-07, 14:53
There is some what of an age limit. The T&C specifies that members must be over the age of 13 and if they are not, they must have a written permission form to do so.

EDIT:

COPPA Policy
All users under the age of 13 must seek permission from their parent or guardian in order to gain membership of the www.tombraiderforums.com (http://www.tombraiderforums.com) forums. While we welcome participation from members under 13, we require that a parent or guardian fax or mail back a signed permission form before we grant membership.

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 14:55
Thats still stupid. Same as the rule with Mobile/Cell phones. Children under 13 should NOT possess a Mobile/Cell Phone no matter what! I used a vBulletin forum demo once, I was able to set the Mask for the certain views, I made it so guests couldnt Post or View any of the forum. Under 13 is a No No for me

Angelus
15-01-07, 14:57
You know what, forget it. I agree with whatever it is Justin said. Just keep closing our threads. :tmb:

irjudd
15-01-07, 14:57
Still, I dont get why Members under 12 or 13 for example are allowed to join, Couldnt you imagine what would happen if a young member met up with a member who was a Pedofile, the trouble justin would be in >_>

Oh goodness no. I'd hate to have to see Dateline NBC monitoring the forums. :p

Sure, sometimes some mods get a little thread-lock happy, but they do avert a lot of irritating confrontations from even starting. Having the discernment to foresee what threads could lead to unpleasantries takes skill, and for that I appreciate the attention to the forums that is given.

Scottlee
15-01-07, 15:01
But, I posted a thread about Oprah not long ago, and it got closed

You mean the thread about Oprah farting in public? My my, what a tragic loss to todays threads-in-progress. I'm sure everyone was queuing up to discuss Oprah's problems in passing wind.

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As stated in the original post here, every thread has to be given a judgement call. It's not always easy for mods/admins to decide what action should be taken, whether it be concerning a thread or a member. It's impossible to please everybody all of the time.

If you disagree with any forum policies or decisions, please send a pm explaining your argument. It will ALWAYS be read and considered (provided it's not an abusive 'demand') A place like this can't run effectively without constructive feedback.

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 15:02
I absolutely LOVE these forums :tmb: I visit everyday and everything. Bloody Awesome! But these new rules arent cool. I can see where Justin is coming from with these rules, but I agree with Angelus all the way, A bit unfair, but What 2 Members under 18, say, Isnt always going to be considered :wve:

Scottlee, Did you even read the thread, did it mention ANYTHING about problems? It was just a bloddy dance manouver she does which is cute and is loved by millions of people.

danitiwa
15-01-07, 15:17
Morning folks.

I've closed a few topics in General Chat this morning which have been discussing various subjects which I feel are not suitable outside of our Mature General Chat forum.

Finding a balance is always a difficult task. I am mindful that many of our teenage members are looking for answers to questions. My concern is that folk who have not yet reached that point in their lives may become confused or - worse still - offended by what is being discussed in some of the topics I have closed.

As I've already mentioned. It's a difficult task finding the right balance, and my decision is born from the fact that discussion on our general forums must be suitable for all age groups, including those very young members of our forum.

I hope you can understand my predicament, and respect my decision.

Where are teenagers under 18 supposed to talk about sex then?
I mean I respect that there are younger members on here but we need to talk about it too sometimes, even if we don't want to go too deep into the subject.

JANKERSON
15-01-07, 15:17
Oh goodness no. I'd hate to have to see Dateline NBC monitoring the forums. :p




Now that would be something wouldn't it? :eek:

mizuno_suisei
15-01-07, 15:20
Where are teenagers under 18 supposed to talk about sex then?
I mean I respect that there are younger members on here but we need to talk about it too sometimes, even if we don't want to go too deep into the subject.


Nice Question! I guess its suggested we talk about it with our parents >_>

:p

laracroft2122
15-01-07, 15:37
So people get a 18+ section of the forum to they can tlak about more mature things, but when us teenagers do, the topics get closed? Thanks a lot. ;)

To be honest, it could start and argument, but on the other hand 18+ get to talk about what they want, but when we have a prob we can't.

@tlr: could you make a chat for under 18s to talk about more mature things, and those who don't want to see it, don't have to?

danitiwa
15-01-07, 15:39
@tlr: could you make a chat for under 18s to talk about more mature things, and those who don't want to see it, don't have to?
Yes. That's what I would suggest,

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 15:41
@tlr: could you make a chat for under 18s to talk about more mature things, and those who don't want to see it, don't have to?

We don't need this. If members disagree with certain topics or don't like what's being discussed, they already have the option to ignore them completely and not even read through them. But there are always people who feel the need to start trouble and get their two cents in. And until everyone can learn to be respectful of eachothers' threads that are posted, threads that result in nothing but arguing and problematic situations will just be closed.

Forwen
15-01-07, 15:41
Uuuhh, so I understand that these puberty/drugs/sexuality threads've been dumped into outer space? Shame, I wanted to catch up after getting back home.

PirateRose
15-01-07, 15:54
Nice Question! I guess its suggested we talk about it with our parents >_>

:p

Agreed. Go talk to your parents, not perfect strangers who can lie to you. >.> I'd totally lie to some kid just for kicks you know. Plus, its a good way to get closer to your parents....errr gaurdians if you don't have any. Then they will also realize that you are growing up and won't think of you as that little innocent 5 year old any more. You'll raise the maturity bar.

dark_angel_7
15-01-07, 15:57
Well what do you know, the thread that alerted you about closing unsuitable thread is getting arguements in there itself! Lol, but lets hope nothing gets too serious! :)

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 15:59
Where are teenagers under 18 supposed to talk about sex then?

Certainly not on a Tomb Raider forum, that's for sure. You do know that this isn't the only place on the internet, right? There are specialist forums that cater to those kinds of subjects, I would suggest you join one of those.

scion05
15-01-07, 16:03
But the other 18's can talk about it ... APPAULING.

Im still against this idea of the crappy new forum, there
is an age limit, and the " inappropriate " members are already
breaking the law to start with :rolleyes:

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 16:05
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a full-fledged war like that of some other thread. :/

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 16:06
But the other 18's can talk about it ... APPAULING.

Yes, but we don't, that's not what the mature section is for, really. Do you honestly think we sit there discussing our sex lives?

jamieoliver22
15-01-07, 16:07
If this was IRC, I would end up setting mode: +m

And if you don't know what that means, look it up.. :rolleyes:

scion05
15-01-07, 16:11
Yes, but we don't, that's not what the mature section is for, really. Do you honestly think we sit there discussing our sex lives?

No but you could ;)
Thats the point im trying to make, open chat is dead now :(

StUdEnT rAiDeR
15-01-07, 16:14
an age limit should certainly NOT be put in place, yes i know alot of young people might spam but they have the right to be a tomb raider fan, this is a place to express your views and an age restriction being put in place will make some Tomb raider fans not being able to post. A tomb raider forum is no place to talk about sex,drug,whatever. Even them are to vulger to be brung up in genaral chat. Genaral chat is for spider man,big brother just general chatting not to be harresed as a sex forum. i even think in the over 18's thread they will not talk about sex. But somthing still does remain, WHY is there an over 18's section in a TOMB RAIDER forum??? There is lots of other places where you talk about thing like that, i dont think a tomb raider forum should be one of them, im sorry but thats my opinion :)

Lew
15-01-07, 16:16
I understand but teenagers can't talk about anything they want really? That is until their 18 :( :wve: :)

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 16:21
If you want to talk about sex so bad, go chat about it on MSN or some other messenger to one of your friends. Why do you feel the urgent need to discuss sex here? This is a Tomb Raider forum. This isn't a sex advice hotline.

tr_mitch
15-01-07, 16:21
I personally feel there should be another forum that caters for teenagers about 15-18 who are more than likely to post threads which are inappropritate for the eyes of more younger members.
In that way everybody stays happy.

StUdEnT rAiDeR
15-01-07, 16:23
I personally feel there should be another forum that caters for teenagers about 15-18 who are more than likely to post threads which are inappropritate for the eyes of more younger members.
In that way everybody stays happy.

but they SHOULDNT post those things! it is not a sex forum, it is a tomb raider forums.

tr_mitch
15-01-07, 16:26
but they SHOULDNT post those things! it is not a sex forum, it is a tomb raider forums.

Be aware that not all threads in general chat are about tomb raider. ;)
Also the fact that some members may not know what falls under appropriate.

viper456
15-01-07, 16:26
gosh some selfish comments here :S

If a thread gets closed it gets closed. Theres nothing you can do about it, just accept it. Its not the end of the world.

As for the age limits, they are there for a reason and sometimes you may not like them but its tough, its in the terms and conditions and you have to follow the rules.

and theres always the PM system , never forget the power of a PM :)

Forwen
15-01-07, 16:28
Hey hey, but what was so exciting that happened in these threads that caused them to be closed down all at once?

viper456
15-01-07, 16:30
Hey hey, but what was so exciting that happened in these threads that caused them to be closed down all at once?

not sure, i think it was just because justin felt it was inapropriate for an all-aged forum. Can understand where hes coming from.

Lew
15-01-07, 16:30
If you want to talk about sex so bad, go chat about it on MSN or some other messenger to one of your friends. Why do you feel the urgent need to discuss sex here? This is a Tomb Raider forum. This isn't a sex advice hotline.

No I wasn't meaning just about sex or whatever, I mean't anything like anything teenagers talk about, you know your one :D

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 16:30
Hey hey, but what was so exciting that happened in these threads that caused them to be closed down all at once?

Like I said before, people were starting to make offensive comments.

Lew
15-01-07, 16:32
Like I said before, people were starting to make offensive comments.

Well they're sad *******s aren't they if they don't like how other people are (although I can't talk about somethings) then they should leave it to themselves.

StUdEnT rAiDeR
15-01-07, 16:49
its annoying when people complain though, and i know that not all threads are about tomb raider in general chat but not all of them should be about sex either :p

Reggie
15-01-07, 16:52
I might have been opposed to the mature chat forum...but now I can understand a bit better why tlr created it in the first place. Every single thread that has EVER been created on sexual orientation (the pansexuality thread in the latest instance) has descended into a mess with certain people offended about what responses they get and there was some unnecessary embarrassment caused in latest thread.
I'm not going to drop the names of those who I thought acted inappropriately/childishly...but it is those kind of people who I understand now were a part of why Tlr, the moderators and older members all agreed that they would like a mature chat forum .

It is possible that people could use the opportunity to explore the subject in better way and understand themselves and others in a better way and debunk any myths there might be around the subject. There is mature potential which is why it would be better off in the mature chat forum where I can imagine the subject might be given a chance.

I've also seen the Oprah thread and I have to be honest, I think it was fair play for Scottlee to close it. Sorry to any Oprah fans, but it was one random piece of trivia. Perhaps there could be a "celebrity" discussion thread for this sort of thing? just a suggestion.

I'm fine if some of you object to what I've said but I think its necessary I say my bit.

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 16:55
I've also seen the Oprah thread and I have to be honest, I think it was fair play for Scottlee to close it. Sorry to any Oprah fans, but it was one random piece of trivia. Perhaps there could be a "celebrity" discussion thread for this sort of thing? just a suggestion.

I agree with you fully there. :wve:
I really do object to the amount of threads like the one mentioned above.
And I think a general celebrity thread would be a good idea, for all those people who likes to discuss such matters.

Lew
15-01-07, 17:07
I agree with you fully there. :wve:
I really do object to the amount of threads like the one mentioned above.
And I think a general celebrity thread would be a good idea, for all those people who likes to discuss such matters.

I also think we should have a Movie Forum but thats not gonna happen really.

2kool4u
15-01-07, 17:11
@tlr: could you make a chat for under 18s to talk about more mature things, and those who don't want to see it, don't have to?
YOur right!!! ;) 14 and up because that is when we start to mature and hear about certain topics. It isnt really fair to the mature ones. IMO

danitiwa
15-01-07, 17:17
You know they "say" boys mature later than girls? Well the guys in my class are LIVING proof of that.

tlr online
15-01-07, 17:19
Where are teenagers under 18 supposed to talk about sex then?
I mean I respect that there are younger members on here but we need to talk about it too sometimes, even if we don't want to go too deep into the subject.


I totally understand your argument, and I appreciate that young folk do need answers and guidance. Unfortunately, at this time and in this climate, we are not able to provide that level of expertise here.

I'm not trying to brush anything under the carpet. I'm trying to ensure we have content on our public forums which caters for all age groups, young and old.

Again. I totally get where you're coming from.

tlr online
15-01-07, 17:20
I personally feel there should be another forum that caters for teenagers about 15-18 who are more than likely to post threads which are inappropritate for the eyes of more younger members.
In that way everybody stays happy.

There are plenty of resources run by folk who are qualified to advise young folk on the trappings of coming of age. We are not qualified to do that here.

Lew
15-01-07, 17:22
There are plenty of resources run by folk who are qualified to advise young folk on coming of age. We are not qualified to do that here.

And anyone who needs it can go to www.ruthinking.co.uk although its funny its provides good info so check it out.

danitiwa
15-01-07, 17:25
And anyone who needs it can go to www.ruthinking.co.uk although its funny its provides good info so check it out.

OMG did you see the viruses? :vlol:

tlr online
15-01-07, 17:27
Still, I dont get why Members under 12 or 13 for example are allowed to join, Couldnt you imagine what would happen if a young member met up with a member who was a Pedofile, the trouble justin would be in >_>

Members under 13 MUST seek parental permission to join. See our policy on COPPA (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_tandc). I am also reviewing whether to lift the minimum age here to 13 and above.

It is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL, than ANY APPROACHES young folk feel are INAPPROPRIATE are REPORTED URGENTLY to me. I will refer any legitimate complaint to the police immediately, and I will surrender any information I hold about a member to the police in order to protect the integrity and safety of our forum and you fine folk.

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 17:28
I also think we should have a Movie Forum but thats not gonna happen really.
No, not a movie forum, a celebrity forum were all those threads like "OMG!!!! Oprah farted!" can go.

Lew
15-01-07, 17:30
OMG did you see the viruses? :vlol:

Which vuruses do you mean.... ROFL!

And tlr Shouldn't you make announcement about that or something?

peeves
15-01-07, 17:33
I think everyone 16+ should talk about Oprah's gas. I dont know why that topic hadta get locked.

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 17:38
I think everyone 16+ should talk about Oprah's gas. I dont know why that topic hadta get locked.
You think Oprah farting is a topic of interest to 16+ forum members?
It didn't even interest me, and I'm only 13.

Lew
15-01-07, 17:39
You think Oprah farting is a topic of interest to 16+ forum members?
It didn't even interest me, and I'm only 13.

Your still 13!

Well im 14 and I think its stupid and wierdly sad to be honest :)

jamieoliver22
15-01-07, 17:42
I think everyone 16+ should talk about Oprah's gas. I dont know why that topic hadta get locked.

Why should people talk about someone farting? Really.. And you lot complain about maturity and that only 16+ people should talk about it?!

Greenkey2
15-01-07, 17:42
I think everyone 16+ should talk about Oprah's gas. I dont know why that topic hadta get locked.


Your sense of humour has escaped me, I'm afraid.


Thanks for clarifying the forum's policy regarding appropriate topics, Justin :tmb: Maybe your first post of this thread could be added to Announcments?

2kool4u
15-01-07, 17:42
ha iLL BE 16 in july

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 17:51
Your still 13!

What about it?
You think just because I'm 13 I have to be interested in something as stupid as Oprah releasing natural bodily gases!? :confused:

Lew
15-01-07, 17:52
What about it?
You think just because I'm 13 I have to be interested in something as stupid as Oprah releasing natural bodily gases!? :confused:

No you said you were 13 ages ago just thought you'd still be 14 by now though...

viper456
15-01-07, 17:52
What about it?
You think just because I'm 13 I have to be interested in something as stupid as Oprah releasing natural bodily gases!? :confused:

i dont think he ment it like that lol. He thought you had turnned 14 .

EDIT: ^ woop i was right lol

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 17:53
No you said you were 13 ages ago just thought you'd still be 14 by now though...
But I don't know what you mean?
It's not like I've been 13 for two years! :vlol:

2kool4u
15-01-07, 17:55
tlr i read your other thread but you do realizze that kids will lie about their age right?

Lew
15-01-07, 17:56
But I don't know what you mean?
It's not like I've been 13 for two years! :vlol:

HAHA! Thats hilarious, and why would i judge people who are 13 because they're younger than me and think they're immature, no so get over it! :)

danitiwa
15-01-07, 17:57
I'm 12, OMG does that mean I'll be kicked off?! :( :yik: :eek: please don't let that happen...

viper456
15-01-07, 17:57
tlr i read your other thread but you do realizze that kids will lie about their age right?

Cant be helped really. If they are found out they would be banned i guess

jarhead
15-01-07, 17:57
I'm 12, OMG does that mean I'll be kicked off?! :( :yik: :eek: please don't let that happen...

That wouldnt happen.

Well if they lie about ther age, they cant complain about what they see then, can they?

viper456
15-01-07, 17:58
I'm 12, OMG does that mean I'll be kicked off?! :( :yik: :eek: please don't let that happen... lol no you wont get kicked off. It said no MORE under 13's ;)

Lew
15-01-07, 17:59
I'm 12, OMG does that mean I'll be kicked off?! :( :yik: :eek: please don't let that happen...

Maybe, but you've proofed yourself and came before the rules really not much they can do really..

xMiSsCrOfTx
15-01-07, 17:59
I'm 12, OMG does that mean I'll be kicked off?! :( :yik: :eek: please don't let that happen...

No, it won't. The new guideline specifically states that people who are trying to register, who are younger than 13 years of age won't be able to. You're safe. :p

Mad Tony
15-01-07, 17:59
HAHA! Thats hilarious, and why would i judge people who are 13 because they're younger than me and think they're immature, no so get over it! :)
I honestly did not understand your question.
I was 13 in July 2006, and it is now January 2007.
It's only been 5 months.
Sorry for misinterpreting the question, but I do not like being called immature. :)

viper456
15-01-07, 17:59
No, it won't. The new guideline specifically states that people who are trying to register, who are younger than 13 years of age won't be able to. You're safe. :p

for now ... :pi: lol

Lew
15-01-07, 18:00
I honestly did not understand your question.
I was 13 in July 2006, and it is now January 2007.
It's only been 5 months.

Oh well you must not understand cause your younger then.... :whi: sarcasm....

danitiwa
15-01-07, 18:01
No, it won't. The new guideline specifically states that people who are trying to register, who are younger than 13 years of age won't be able to. You're safe. :p

Whew, I'm a boring (almost) teenager/child, this is like my only interest. I would be soooo bored without it.

peeves
15-01-07, 18:47
See I'm only 16 and I'll be 17 in August which is in 7 more months so that makes me 197 months old. And I'm sorry for saying those things about oprah is for 16+.

taika
15-01-07, 18:59
I'm sorry but most of the people here are teenagers and it should be realised that of course these sort of things are going to be talked about.
At the age of 16: you can have sex, smoke, leave school, get a job... all of these things, and people here may want to discuss these issues as many teenagers would.
When you're a teenager you also want to explore and try different things, e.g. drinking under age etc (sorry, but im sure there are a lot of under 18s who have got drunk or drank alcohol) and talk about them - that is all people want to do.
If someone finds a topic offensive or don't want to read it, they don't have to. As you have already said, people under 13 aren't allowed to post here anymore.
And I believe most people over 13 ARE mature enough to talk about these things.
You can, of course, make a seperate section for members 15-18 (for example?) if you are worried about these sort of topics, because, in reality, they will come up because people like to talk about their experiences and stuff.

Lew
15-01-07, 19:00
I'm sorry but most of the people here are teenagers and it should be realised that of course these sort of things are going to be talked about.
At the age of 16: you can have sex, smoke, leave school, get a job... all of these things, and people here may want to discuss these issues as many teenagers would.
When you're a teenager you also want to explore and try different things, e.g. drinking under age etc (sorry, but im sure there are a lot of under 18s who have got drunk or drank alcohol) and talk about them - that is all people want to do.
If someone finds a topic offensive or don't want to read it, they don't have to. As you have already said, people under 13 shouldn't be allowed ot post here.
And I believe most people over 13 ARE mature enough to talk about these things.
You can, of course, make a seperate section for members 15-18 (for example?) if you are worried about these sort of topics, because, in reality, they will come up because people like to talk about their experiences and stuff.
Theres already and 18 one, and make the lowest 14 please :D hehe joking.

danitiwa
15-01-07, 19:01
I'm not bragging here, but I consider myself pretty mature. :whi:

taika
15-01-07, 19:09
Theres already and 18 one, and make the lowest 14 please :D hehe joking.
I know theres an 18+ section, but there are many teenagers who go thru similar, if not the same, experiences to people over 18. So why they should have their own section to talk about whatever they wish, where as younger people are not allowed to discuss whatever they want, IMO, seems unfair.

Lew
15-01-07, 19:09
Ohhh okay I get ya.

viper456
15-01-07, 19:22
I know theres an 18+ section, but there are many teenagers who go thru similar, if not the same, experiences to people over 18. So why they should have their own section to talk about whatever they wish, where as younger people are not allowed to discuss whatever they want, IMO, seems unfair.

trust me, the 18+ forum is not a place where people are after advice. (not at them moment anyway)

Its just a place where more adult topics are discussed. Nothing unfair about it.

danitiwa
15-01-07, 19:24
Like medications, and bingo?! :vlol: "old farts section" lmao

viper456
15-01-07, 19:24
Like medications and bingo?! :vlol: "old farts section" lmao

LOL yup pretty much. (there has been tons of jokes like that in there)

danitiwa
15-01-07, 19:26
LOL yup pretty much. (there has been tons of jokes like that in there)

"old farts" :vlol: :vlol: oh and discussing which wheelchair to buy, :p

taika
15-01-07, 19:33
trust me, the 18+ forum is not a place where people are after advice. (not at them moment anyway)

Its just a place where more adult topics are discussed. Nothing unfair about it.

Well it IS unfair, because topics deemed unacceptable in General Chat would be considered FINE in the mature chat. I did not mention the types of topics that are in the mature section, my post was referring to the original post saying some posts here are deemed unacceptable, and giving a solution on how to solve the problem.

viper456
15-01-07, 19:35
Well it IS unfair, because topics deemed unacceptable in General Chat would be considered FINE in the mature chat. I did not mention the types of topics that are in the mature section, my post was referring to the original post saying some posts here are deemed unacceptable, and giving a solution on how to solve the problem.

its not unfair. Its the same as movie ratings, they are there for a reason. Yes they can be annoying but they are there for a reason

taika
15-01-07, 19:40
its not unfair. Its the same as movie ratings, they are there for a reason. Yes they can be annoying but they are there for a reason
But if people under 18 do have issues they want to express, and if they are deemed unacceptable in the general chat, then there should be seperate forums for other age groups, maybe 13-15, 15-18 or something rather than being deleted or closed.
If you made a topic about a serious issue, only for it to be deleted because it was deemed unacceptable as 'there may be a couple of younger people here who take offense' how would you feel? You are here for proper advise or to share your view, and in the real world - younger people are exposed to so much! if they don't want to see something, they don't have to.

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 19:42
Best part about the mature section is that there are no whiners. :whi:

Bonez
15-01-07, 19:45
Best part about the mature section is that there are no whiners. :whi:

I don't think anybody is whining...

There is a big growing up gap between 12 and 18... people discover and mature at different rates, so many it would be good if us teenagers ( 14 - 17 ?) could have a board aswell?

viper456
15-01-07, 19:47
But if people under 18 do have issues they want to express, and if they are deemed unacceptable in the general chat, then there should be seperate forums for other age groups, maybe 13-15, 15-18 or something rather than being deleted or closed.

Your forgetting an important factor. 18+ also means adulthood. Below that is childhood and there is limits and boundries which come with that title. As annoy as they are, they are there and wont just disappear.

taika
15-01-07, 19:47
Best part about the mature section is that there are no whiners. :whi:

Don't try to act so high and mighty, I am entitled to my own opinion and am expressing it. It is not whining. Sorry, but if I don't agree with something I'm not going to sit back and say "Ok :) you're right. blahblahblah" I'm not that sort of person. Please don't take that tone with me and try to act patronising because it's just stupid and immature. :)

So if 18+ means adulthood, why is it legal to: smoke, have sex, get a full-time job, leave school/college at 16?
why can you drive at 17?
There is no certain age when you get to adultood.

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 19:48
I don't think anybody is whining...

There is a big growing up gap between 12 and 18... people discover and mature at different rates, so many it would be good if us teenagers ( 14 - 17 ?) could have a board aswell?You have one, it's called General Chat. Even if you had a specific section for that age group, it still would be inappropriate for you to discuss the things that those threads that were closed were about. So what would be the point?

viper456
15-01-07, 19:49
You have one, it's called General Chat. Even if you had a specific section for that age group, it still would be inappropriate for you to discuss the things that those threads that were closed were about. So what would be the point?

was just about to say that, thanks :)

taika
15-01-07, 19:51
You have one, it's called General Chat. Even if you had a specific section for that age group, it still would be inappropriate for you to discuss the things that those threads that were closed were about. So what would be the point?

Why would it still be inappropriate? I'd assume the majority of people are mature enough to discuss whatever they want.

Bonez
15-01-07, 19:53
There are more mature subjects to discuss aswell than just who is splitting up with who in the celebrity world.

I was just saying maybe below 'adulthood' could have somewhere to discuss matters aswell?

I'm sorry for even saying anything. :rolleyes:

viper456
15-01-07, 19:54
Why would it still be inappropriate? I'd assume the majority of people are mature enough to discuss whatever they want.

maturity is totally different to your actual age. Yes alot of memeber are mature enough, but they are not old enough and content can be unapropriate.

Its the law basically

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 19:55
Why would it still be inappropriate? I'd assume the majority of people are mature enough to discuss whatever they want.

Yes, but not here.

rika2
15-01-07, 20:02
you're all making a big fuss outta this... I seriously don't give a ****, I don't want to discuss puberty or my sexual problems in an open forum anyway...

taika
15-01-07, 20:04
Well I'm not going to bother posting in this stupid thread anymore, because it's obvious that if anyone objects they always have to have their head beaten for an opinion. Just to let you know, I do not appriciate being called a whiner, because if anything it just shows your immaturity towards people with different opinions.
Also, 18+ does not mean Adulthood, I already gave my opinions yet my questions were left somewhat ignored, wonder why. :)
I suppose if you're under 18 and want to express your views on something challenging or difficult to talk about, don't bother doing it on TRF because its unacceptable, just find somewhere else.
I don't agree with the rules layed out by this forum, and find them extremely patronising. Some people come here in confidence to talk about their issues, but obviously they can't talk about them incase there are some younger people who 'might get confused' :rolleyes:
Maybe i'll have to find a different forum to chat on, where you can actually post what you want. (i believe its called freedom of speech)

viper456
15-01-07, 20:04
you're all making a big fuss outta this... I seriously don't give a ****, I don't want to discuss puberty or my sexual problems in an open forum anyway...

why not? I would, it would be the highlight of my day :whi: :rolleyes: lol

Bonez
15-01-07, 20:05
I don't think everybody would be talking about sex...

I actually think it would benefit teenagers and stuff to talk about Drugs, Alcohol, Relationships etc. together, because people can talk about other experiences and people can ask for help.

I would say it would be quite a good think to do, escpially since many people know each other, and probably wouldn't find it hard to speak out and ask others for their Opinions. :)

viper456
15-01-07, 20:06
Well I'm not going to bother posting in this stupid thread anymore, because it's obvious that if anyone objects they always have to have their head beaten for an opinion. Just to let you know, I do not appriciate being called a whiner, because if anything it just shows your immaturity towards people with different opinions.
Also, 18+ does not mean Adulthood, I already gave my opinions yet my questions were left somewhat ignored, wonder why. :)
I suppose if you're under 18 and want to express your views on something challenging or difficult to talk about, don't bother doing it on TRF because its unacceptable, just find somewhere else.
I don't agree with the rules layed out by this forum, and find them extremely patronising. Some people come here in confidence to talk about their issues, but obviously they can't talk about them incase there are some younger people who 'might get confused' :rolleyes:
Maybe i'll have to find a different forum to chat on, where you can actually post what you want. (i believe its called freedom of speech)

well have fun doing that :wve:

I tried to explain WHY the threads were inapropriate but you dont seem to understand.

Lew
15-01-07, 20:08
well have fun doing that :wve:

I tried to explain WHY the threads were inapropriate but you dont seem to understand.

Lol Well yeah you did use to be a teenager, this forum is really about Tomb Raider, not about everything! Well I'm sitting on the fence :)

Night Crawler
15-01-07, 20:09
Well I'm not going to bother posting in this stupid thread anymore, because it's obvious that if anyone objects they always have to have their head beaten for an opinion. Just to let you know, I do not appriciate being called a whiner, because if anything it just shows your immaturity towards people with different opinions.
Also, 18+ does not mean Adulthood, I already gave my opinions yet my questions were left somewhat ignored, wonder why. :)
I suppose if you're under 18 and want to express your views on something challenging or difficult to talk about, don't bother doing it on TRF because its unacceptable, just find somewhere else.
I don't agree with the rules layed out by this forum, and find them extremely patronising. Some people come here in confidence to talk about their issues, but obviously they can't talk about them incase there are some younger people who 'might get confused' :rolleyes:
Maybe i'll have to find a different forum to chat on, where you can actually post what you want. (i believe its called freedom of speech)Well stamping your feet, walking out of the thread and slamming the door behind you because you feel your posts aren't getting enough attention is not very mature either. ;)

viper456
15-01-07, 20:13
Lol Well yeah you did use to be a teenager, this forum is really about Tomb Raider, not about everything! Well I'm sitting on the fence :)

im only 18 im not a fuddy duddy lol!! believe it or not im still in touch with my inner child. I have just always understood why restrictions are on certain things. It never has bothered me, just gave me something to look forward too (or create a new challenge on how to get around the problem) lol!

Lew
15-01-07, 20:15
im only 18 im not a fuddy duddy lol!! believe it or not im still in touch with my inner child. I have just always understood why restrictions are on certain things. It never has bothered me, just gave me something to look forward too (or create a new challenge on how to get around the problem) lol!

Lol No I mean....let me phrase that, you JUST been through it so you should know like.

viper456
15-01-07, 20:16
Lol No I mean....let me phrase that, you JUST been through it so you should know like.

ofcourse i know what its like. Its called growning up and you just have to accept somethings are the way they are for a reason and theres not much you can do about them.

tlr online
15-01-07, 20:17
Thank you all for your input. As I've already stated, I completely understand both arguments.

We are simply not qualified to be able to advise you adequately on your more personal dilemmas, and we must also be mindful of ensuring discussion on our public forum caters for ALL age groups.

The internet can be a dangerous place. Many folks lie about their identity. While we can vet members, we have no way of knowing if some of the more dubious elements of society are perusing sensitive threads started by folk younger than 18 because we permit "guests" to browse our forum. My job is to ensure you folk are as risk-free as humanly possible. I'm not comfortable with minors discussing sexually orientated topics on our forum, and I apologise if this has made some of you feel isolated.

It's a tough balancing act for those of us charged with ensuring our forum remains a safe, educational and positive environment. My PM is always available for those of you with alternative suggestions on how we may better serve you.

I the meantime, while I appreciate you may not agree with me, please respect my decision. I have your best interests at heart at all times.

viper456
15-01-07, 20:28
Thank you all for your input. As I've already stated, I completely understand both arguments.

We are simply not qualified to be able to advise you adequately on your more personal dilemmas, and we must also be mindful of ensuring discussion on our public forum caters for ALL age groups.

The internet can be a dangerous place. Many folks lie about their identity. While we can vet members, we have no way of knowing if some of the more dubious elements of society are perusing sensitive threads started by folk younger than 18 because we permit "guests" to browse our forum. My job is to ensure you folk are as risk-free as humanly possible. I'm not comfortable with minors discussing sexually oriented topics on our forum, and I apologise if this has made some of you feel isolated.

It's a tough balancing act for those of us charged with ensuring our forum remains a safe, educational and positive environment. My PM is always available for those of you with alternative suggestions on how we may better serve you.

I the meantime, while I appreciate you may not agree with me, please respect my decision. I have your best interests at heart at all times.

exactly. Extremely important!

Geck-o-Lizard
15-01-07, 20:29
Also, 18+ does not mean Adulthood

That's something you'll need to take up with the courts and government. We follow the rules, we don't write them.

viper456
15-01-07, 20:31
That's something you'll need to take up with the courts and government. We follow the rules, we don't write them.

i find it quite unnerving when it says on the news "an 18 year old man/woman arrested blah blah blah"

Because even though im classed as an adult i realy dont feel like one :|

tlr online
15-01-07, 20:31
... even though im classed as an adult i realy dont feel like one :|

Neither do I, and I'm 29! :p

peeves
15-01-07, 20:32
Neither do I, and I'm 29! :p

and ur gonna be 30 next month.

Elysia
15-01-07, 20:36
Thank you all for your input. As I've already stated, I completely understand both arguments.

We are simply not qualified to be able to advise you adequately on your more personal dilemmas, and we must also be mindful of ensuring discussion on our public forum caters for ALL age groups.

The internet can be a dangerous place. Many folks lie about their identity. While we can vet members, we have no way of knowing if some of the more dubious elements of society are perusing sensitive threads started by folk younger than 18 because we permit "guests" to browse our forum. My job is to ensure you folk are as risk-free as humanly possible. I'm not comfortable with minors discussing sexually orientated topics on our forum, and I apologise if this has made some of you feel isolated.

It's a tough balancing act for those of us charged with ensuring our forum remains a safe, educational and positive environment. My PM is always available for those of you with alternative suggestions on how we may better serve you.

I the meantime, while I appreciate you may not agree with me, please respect my decision. I have your best interests at heart at all times.
Got to say - I agree with you on this one wholeheartedly Justin. Especially the bit I put in bold...

It's about learning what is appropriate and what isn't when engaging with other people, especially when there is such a huge range of people present. One thing one learns in this funny old journey called 'life' is that one very often can't say what one wishes to, out of respect for other people's feelings and beliefs. Or, in internet speak, it's often better to shut up and not say anything than light the old flamethrower... ;)

viper456
15-01-07, 20:43
Neither do I, and I'm 29! :p

lol! its important to stay young at heart! haha ... not that your old physically..im not saying that.. i was just saying erm *stops before the hole gets deeper* :vlol: