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Hello guys and gals, one thing that always sparked my mind was Khamoon, I know he was a ruler of some sort, but certainly not of Atlantis - as Natla, Tihocan, and Qualopec where the 3 rulers. I always thought he could be their father but I wasn't sure. It doesn't really say who he is in TR1, maybe in Anniversary we'll find more out.
xcrushterx
18-02-07, 17:55
No he wasn't.If he was it would probably be somewhere in Egypt:)
My theory regarding Khamoon is this:
He was an Egyptian who served under Natla (like Semerkhet served under Horus).
I think Qualopec had a ruling presence in Peru - so he was set to rest there guarding his piece of the Scion.
I think Tihocan had a ruling presence in Greece/Italy - so he was buried there and guards his piece of the Scion.
I think Natla had a ruling presence in Egypt - except she was imprisoned years before her death so she has no tomb in Egypt, though that's where her piece of the Scion lies, in a hidden sanctuary through the city of Khamoon - her servant.
:)
My theory regarding Khamoon is this:
He was an Egyptian who served under Natla (like Semerkhet served under Horus).
I think Qualopec had a ruling presence in Peru - so he was set to rest there guarding his piece of the Scion.
I think Tihocan had a ruling presence in Greece/Italy - so he was buried there and guards his piece of the Scion.
I think Natla had a ruling presence in Egypt - except she was imprisoned years before her death so she has no tomb in Egypt, though that's where her piece of the Scion lies, in a hidden sanctuary through the city of Khamoon - her servant.
:)
Very well thought theory Rivendell! Yours sounds the most prominent to me.
Tyrannosaurus
18-02-07, 18:24
I asked this question before, and someone told me that it was a reference to Khamoonaptra, a mythical city of the dead.
Larson_1988
18-02-07, 18:47
Khamoon was probably a reserve god! :P Who took over when Natla was inprisoned i guess. I could be wrong.
I asked this question before, and someone told me that it was a reference to Khamoonaptra, a mythical city of the dead.
That city was called Hamunaptra
rr_carroll
19-02-07, 09:31
It occurred to me (after a mere 9 years) that the name is on the model of Tutankhamun, meaning "the living image of Amun".
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~ancient/tut3.htm
That city was called Hamunaptra
It can vary IMO like pronounciation of Xian stuff ;)
According to Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamoon) Khamoon is the third ruler of Atlantis, but there they say Natla appeares also :D :confused: Only if Khamoon was after her...
:D I like the way that article contradicts itself:
# Jacqueline Natla: ... It is revealed later, that in fact she is an ancient queen, one the three rulers of Atlantis, sentenced to be frozen for her crimes by other two kings, Qualopec and Tihocan.
# Qualopec: One of the ancient rulers of the lost continent of Atlantis, whose tomb is located somewhere in the Andes.
# Tihocan: Another ruler of Atlantis, Tihocan was buried around the isles of Greece.
(So there's all three rulers... right?)
# Khamoon: The third ruler of Atlantis with the third piece of the Scion who was buried in the Valley of the Kings in Egypt. He was aided by Qualopec and Tihocan.
So what happened to Natla? :tea:
That's why :confused: in my post ;)
That explains the 4 symbols above the "Caves" tomb door in one of the TRA screenies. :D
That's a good point tomblover, perhaps you're right!
greendayfan
19-02-07, 11:55
it would be cool if there was a level called 'tomb of khamoon'
it would be cool if there was a level called 'tomb of khamoon'
That's basically what the City of Khamoon is!
greendayfan
19-02-07, 13:24
oh rite my mistake:D
KurtisLonely
19-02-07, 13:28
Never thought like that... but if so, who was natla then? She was a ruler... but maybe there were four instead of three? :p
We only knew of three, as apparently did the monks of St Francis' Folly:
"Relocated now to St. Francis’ Folley, new temptations torment me. (voice changes to the monk who wrote it) Rumor amongst my fellow brothers is that entombed beneath our monastery lies the body of Tihocan, one of the three legendary rulers of the lost continent, Atlantis, and that within lies his piece of the Atlantean Scion. " - Natla's HQ fmv
3 rulers, 3 pieces of the Scion.
Catlantean
19-02-07, 14:24
I always thought Khamoon was the name of the place, the level being called "City of Khamoon" and all that. I mean, you also have "City of Vilcabamba" and (to my knowledge at least) no one thought it was actually the name of a person.
KurtisLonely
19-02-07, 16:24
Maybe Khamoon and Vilcabamba are followers/right hands of the rulers?
wow, i just realised something weird about qualopec, thanks to that wiki article. he was wearing weird techno gear and stuff, yet nothing of that is visible in his tomb, where everything is rather primitive. also his corpse shows no sign of weird cone hats or spider-like legs attached to his back...
KurtisLonely
19-02-07, 16:54
wait wait wait wait.... corpse??? his corpse??? o.O
well whose corpse could it have been otherwise?
Catlantean
19-02-07, 17:30
I don't have TR1 installed right now so I can't post a screenshot, but yes, Qualopec's skeleton is definitely sitting there in the Scion room in his tomb. And he still has those "spider legs" coming out of his back. Maybe Anubis will help with that screenshot :)
Did someone call me? :D
Two screenshots I just captured:
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l61/Anubis-AF/Qualopec.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l61/Anubis-AF/Qualopec2.jpg
BTW, you should add them to Natla's Pyramid :)
Sekhraider
19-02-07, 20:25
Hmm...in the screen shots, it just looks like the skeleton is sitting in a throne with pertruding arms.
Maybe Khamoon and Vilcabamba are followers/right hands of the rulers?
Vilcabamba is an authentic incan city.
http://www.vilcabamba.org/location.html
Which makes sense because the mummies you see in the first two levels are incan mummies.
At first I thought Khamoon was a ruler but I realized I was wrong. The info that got me thinking Khamoon was a ruler was that the long lost third ruler of the scion was buried in the tomb in the sanctuary level so I didn't know it was natla coz I thought that ruler was dead but I finally realized it was natla alive.
Sara Croft
20-02-07, 15:56
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l61/Anubis-AF/Qualopec2.jpg
That mummie there reminds me of bacon lara xD
Hello Everyone.
I've an idea whom Khamoon may be. Perhaps he was the third member of the priests of Atlantis after Natla was imprisoned? With Natla gone, the Atlanteans still needed three rulers, and handed the third part of the Scion to him.
Any thoughts?
Chug a Bug
04-03-07, 11:32
I thought Khamoon was just the name of the city too rather than an Atlantean ruler.
Interesting point about Qualopec's skeleton: I hadn't thought of that. It does seem like he's sitting on some kind of throne on a dais doesn't he? Surrounded by his guards.
Khamoon: The Dino-looking dude in this TR video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX7cqtEZQ04&mode=related&search
He obviously was a helper. :)
Khamoon: The Dino-looking dude in this TR video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX7cqtEZQ04&mode=related&search
He obviously was a helper. :)
That's Qualopec.
The guy with the electro voice = Qualopec, the guy with the normal ish USA accent = Tihocan, the 'Dino-looking dude' = a normal Atlantean guard, leaping screaming thing that you kill lots of in game :D
jeremyANDROGYNY
05-04-07, 01:42
I loved that about Qualopec's Tomb. You see him sitting on his throne, a guard on each side watching over his piece of the Scion. I though that Khamoon was just another name of a city and I believe I was right about that.
Another Lara
05-04-07, 15:06
I thought Khamoon was just a place name... Seeing as when you fight Larson and retrieve the thrid piece of the scion, there is no tomb, when you clearly see Qualopec and Tihocan's on your way to the first and second pieces.
It's just a place name, look at the order of names
Tomb of Qualopec
Tomb of Tihocan
Sanctuary of the Scion
I believe the Scion was hidden there from Natla. Khamoon maybe a priest like Semerkhet, a lost god like Aten or a puppet ruler in Egypt for the Atlanteans.
Khamoon is just the name of a made up Egyptian city where Natla's peice of the scion was placed/hidden. It was probably given that name by the designers because 'kh' was common in names of royalists and cities in ancient times.
Sekhraider
07-04-07, 01:51
If there was a ruler, I'd think it would be a female, importantly the cat goddess, Bastet. Because the city has "moon" in it, which implies that people worshipped the moon and darkplaces since the city is underground and later mythology says that Bastet became a lunar deity during the Greek influence (before she a solar deity). The only male deity that I can recall that was associated with the moon and cats, was the cat god, Ai Paec but he was from Ancient Peru (Inca). So the cat statues suggest femininity in the strongest ways. Even the symbol with the two horns and the circle in the middle (the atlantis incubatos) is the sign of Egyptian Goddess, Hathor who during the Destruction of Mankind myth turned into Sekhmet a lionness goddess. So the monarch has to be a woman, but its not Natla, I dont think:)
Another Lara
08-04-07, 14:46
If there was a ruler, I'd think it would be a female, importantly the cat goddess, Bastet. Because the city has "moon" in it, which implies that people worshipped the moon and darkplaces since the city is underground and later mythology says that Bastet became a lunar deity during the Greek influence (before she a solar deity). The only male deity that I can recall that was associated with the moon and cats, was the cat god, Ai Paec but he was from Ancient Peru (Inca). So the cat statues suggest femininity in the strongest ways. Even the symbol with the two horns and the circle in the middle (the atlantis incubatos) is the sign of Egyptian Goddess, Hathor who during the Destruction of Mankind myth turned into Sekhmet a lionness goddess. So the monarch has to be a woman, but its not Natla, I dont think:)
Khamoon is actually a wrongly used shortening of Egyptian names like Tutankhamun... The name is made up of three Egyptian words Tut-Ankh-Amun; It's been a while since I studied hieroglyphs so I can't rmember what "Tut" means (:o ) but I know "ankh" means "life" and "amun" was the chief god in Egyptian mythology. So using "kh" and "amun" means no sense if you're famliar with Egyptian names, but if not you hear that name and you think "Khamoon; sounds like Tutankhamun...ooh Egypt!"
Khamoon is actually a wrongly used shortening of Egyptian names like Tutankhamun... The name is made up of three Egyptian words Tut-Ankh-Amun; It's been a while since I studied hieroglyphs so I can't rmember what "Tut" means (:o ) but I know "ankh" means "life" and "amun" was the chief god in Egyptian mythology. So using "kh" and "amun" means no sense if you're famliar with Egyptian names, but if not you hear that name and you think "Khamoon; sounds like Tutankhamun...ooh Egypt!"
Tutankhamun wasn't his origional name either, he changed his name to give it more pezaz. :P
Another Lara
08-04-07, 18:49
Tutankhamun wasn't his origional name either, he changed his name to give it more pezaz. :P
lol, that's a great way of putting it!:rolleyes:
Sekhraider
09-04-07, 19:32
Khamoon is actually a wrongly used shortening of Egyptian names like Tutankhamun... The name is made up of three Egyptian words Tut-Ankh-Amun; It's been a while since I studied hieroglyphs so I can't rmember what "Tut" means (:o ) but I know "ankh" means "life" and "amun" was the chief god in Egyptian mythology. So using "kh" and "amun" means no sense if you're famliar with Egyptian names, but if not you hear that name and you think "Khamoon; sounds like Tutankhamun...ooh Egypt!"
Hmm interesting. I forgot about that one. Yeah, I see that it is a made up name that sounds alright. I think it should've been Khmun..which sounds or comes close to the spelling of Amun's son Khons (lunar deity) or Chonsu. I like khmun looks better than the Western corruption Khamoon...Khamoon looks like how its sounds like syllable make up from a dictionary K-ah-moo-n. It would be a more complicated word for this ancient city in TR: Khmun looks better
Tuthankamun's transliterated name is:
tewet ank amen (or twt ank imn?)
'tewet' means 'statue' or 'image'. The meaning of his name is subject to debate, a possibility is 'living image of Amen'.
If we 'reverse romanise' (lol) Khamoon, you can argue the transliterated name is Kha-mn. Which can mean a number of things, but I have to run to class now so I'll talk about it later :p
PS I was also under the impression that 'Khamoon' was the name of the city, maybe it was Natla's before she decided to go psycho, explaining why it's a sanctuary not a tomb containing the scion and also why there were more mummified Atlanteans trying to kill you (or it could just be because you were progressing through the game and naturally the difficulty would increase lol).
So here I am.
Anyway. I don't have access to my Egyptian books but on top of my head I've come up with a number of possible meanings based on 'kha-men', but I'm not satisfied with them, At the end of the day however it depends on whether the name is:
1. KHa-mn
2. Ka-mn
If it's Kha-mn it *might* (literally) mean 'shining remain' (Shining Eternal?)
If it's Ka-mn it *might* (literally) mean 'spirit remain' (Eternal Spirit?)
Or if you're up for some bizarreness the glyph for 'mn' can be a chessboard lol, so... er... shining chessboard?
I'm not an Egyptologist and my knowledge of Egyptian is very limited and probably wrong :) I'm still not happy with my translations... get back to you all soon! Class beckons! lol
Just read the previous post
K-ah-moo-n
Could be
1. ka-ah-mw-n
2. ka-ah-mwn
3. ka-ah-men
So many more possibilities now lol bbl! I never saw it!
Another Lara
10-04-07, 22:17
Tuthankamun's transliterated name is:
tewet ank amen (or twt ank imn?)
'tewet' means 'statue' or 'image'. The meaning of his name is subject to debate, a possibility is 'living image of Amen'.
That would (IMO) be the most probable translation seeing as the pharoah was seen as the physical presence of Amun on earth.:)
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