View Full Version : I made the biggest mistake by buying the PS version
Well, I played it on Ps2, and was not focused all on the graphics (like you), but on the game-play, which was the best game ever. I would definitely not say that the graphics were awful, but very good for its time. I would stop just focusing on the graphics, but focus on the game-play.
solidsnake289
15-06-07, 23:22
The graphics still are rubbish on PC besides graphics don't make the game,gameplay makes the game!
Exactly what I was saying :tmb:
So if you hate the graphics, miss out on a brilliant game, your loss, I could care less.
I don't consider the graphics "rubbish". The graphics are awesome, considering the hardware available at the time. I'd give them more than 90% easily.
When you are rating a game you have to transport yourself to the time it was released.
I'd say that, comparatively, Tomb Raider has better graphics than some of present day commercial releases.
Anyway, the PSX was pretty limited hardware-wise. The PC version has more polys, better resolution, more colours, faster frame-rate and better controls. It also lets you save anywhere. The meshes and the textures are the same, but the hardware is able to render them in a more beautiful way.
When I played the Glide version of Tomb Raider back in 1999 when I got my 3DFX card I was amazed :P It looked like a completely different game.
But when it comes to the point when it's distracting, there's something wrong...
And I'm not saying the graphics aren't good, I've seen the screenshots and know that they're good (on the PS as well, but for some reason, my copy looks nothing like that). I'm putting it into the PS2 tomorrow to see what happens.
And I'm not saying the graphics aren't good, I've seen the screenshots and know that they're good (on the PS as well, but for some reason, my copy looks nothing like that). I'm putting it into the PS2 tomorrow to see what happens.
It doesn't matter THEY WILL ALL LOOK THE SAME
solidsnake289
15-06-07, 23:34
If your so eager to play the PC version why don't you get the sold-out software version with TR II for £4.99 or just get a copy off ebay!
If your so eager to play the PC version why don't you get the sold-out software version with TR II for £4.99 or just get a copy off ebay!
Also, since you only care about graphics :whi:, TRII's are slightly better
solidsnake289
15-06-07, 23:39
I don't care about the graphics I didn't say that!
also IMO TR II is way better dunno why!
jesus, I'm sorry I made the post now
I don't care about the graphics I didn't say that!
also IMO TR II is way better dunno why!
Oh- sorry:o I messed up, I was talking about prmc, no hard feelings! :hug:
TR2 is better 'cause it's one year older, simply put :D Modellers get better, texture artists get better, programmers learn how to stretch the PSX even more, etc.
The PC version also was way more demanding. You could run TR on a Pentium 60Mhz with 16Mb (I managed to run it in a 486DX4 :D !!). For TR2 you needed a Pentium 120Mhz and 32Mb, if I can remember. Which means it was way more "pretty".
It doesn't matter THEY WILL ALL LOOK THE SAME
I completely disagree. I have Tomb Raider 1 on both PC and PS1 and have played through both. The graphics on PS1 are terrible compared to on PC, that is without Glidos or the like.
I completely disagree. I have Tomb Raider 1 on both PC and PS1 and have played through both. The graphics on PS1 are terrible compared to on PC, that is without Glidos or the like.
Does it matter?
Although l usually play the games on the playstation, l have to admit last year when l wanted to replay Tomb Raider 1 it was a bit of a shock seeing the graphics of the original after about 4 years. l only replay Tomb Raider 1 on the PC now, much better graphics :tmb:
Although l usually play the games on the playstation, l have to admit last year when l wanted to replay Tomb Raider 1 it was a bit of a shock seeing the graphics of the original after about 4 years. l only replay Tomb Raider 1 on the PC now, much better graphics :tmb:
Cool. My first time ever playing Tr1 was this year! lol, yep:)
Tomb of Legends
16-06-07, 02:26
Im playing TR1 on PC right now, its my first TR1 experiance on PC. Ive played it many times on PS and I have to say. PC wins with graphics!
Having also played the original Tomb Raider on PS1 and PC, I can't say I see much of a difference, and yeah, of course the graphics are poor by today's standards, but for their time, they were top-notch.
I think it can matter, I know it does for me. I am glad I played through all the games on the PC and not the playstation because they are meant to be beautiful games and the poor quality on playstation seriously detracts from that.
After completing it on PS1, I had a go on the PC version, and couldn't believe my eyes, I had forgotten the graphics were so much smoother on PC. It felt like playing a much later game.
Maybe some of you guys who noticed no difference were forgetting to press the F1 key.
Any game as great as this shouldnt be judged according to its graphics. The first survival horror game that always made me jump from fright and get anxiety waiting to see what would happen next was Friday the 13th on Nintendo, and if those of you who played it remembers, those graphics were...bad.
Besides, Ive never had a PC capable of playing games so Ive stuck to the Tomb Raider series through my trusty PlayStation and PlayStation 2, even if these are the systems that usually have the worst graphics.
I definitely don't think the game should be judged on it's graphics. I have a friend who won't even play it on PC because she doesn't like the graphics, which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard from someone who calls themself a tomb raider fan. I'm just pointing out that if you can play it on PC, there is a huge step up in graphics, and personally I feel that's significant.
When you are rating a game you have to transport yourself to the time it was released..
i disagree. as time goes by, the competition hots up, and the older games - apart from a elite few - will be overtaken by the new ones. and not just graphically.
'Pong' might have been a 9/10 game back in 1979, but it's unavoidably 2/10 now. not only can it not compete with todays games, modern gamers do not even recognize it as a game.
a good book will still be a good book in 60 years time. a good movie can be too, but because of technology will find itself slipping down the ladder, but a video game, thats 60 years old will not stand a chance against its modern counterparts. sorry.
don't take this as a swipe at TR1. its not. its still got more than enough to entertain and give a good adventure, but older games to me should be judged primarily in the here and now, and not for what they once did.
If i said "i would like TR1 just as much if it was the saturn version, than if it was the PC Tomb Raider Xtra texture pack version" i would be lying.
I played it on PS2, and the graphics have improved greatly
Now I have to buy a PS1 memory card
Lara.Jolie7
19-06-07, 04:27
Is much DARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
i disagree. as time goes by, the competition hots up, and the older games - apart from a elite few - will be overtaken by the new ones. and not just graphically.
'Pong' might have been a 9/10 game back in 1979, but it's unavoidably 2/10 now. not only can it not compete with todays games, modern gamers do not even recognize it as a game.
a good book will still be a good book in 60 years time. a good movie can be too, but because of technology will find itself slipping down the ladder, but a video game, thats 60 years old will not stand a chance against its modern counterparts. sorry.
don't take this as a swipe at TR1. its not. its still got more than enough to entertain and give a good adventure, but older games to me should be judged primarily in the here and now, and not for what they once did.
If i said "i would like TR1 just as much if it was the saturn version, than if it was the PC Tomb Raider Xtra texture pack version" i would be lying.
I completely disagree with you. A game is good or bad depending on what's possible at the time. Basicly, what you are saying is that until now games weren't good, if you look at it. And if we let time pass, in 10 years from now you'll be saying TRA doesn't have good graphics and good gameplay? 10 years from now Halo 2 will be a crappy game with crappy graphics? I guess not.
In 1972, Pong was an achievement. And it's pretty funny, IMHO.
donttouchmyuzis
21-06-07, 18:55
This is odd because I think Lara looks better on the PS. On pc she looks short and stiff, while on PS she looks long, lean, and beautiful.
Turn on texture smoothing.
PS1 version has better atmosphere than the PC version. More key moment music and I actually like the looks better too (although it is more pixel-y), the lower quality praphics actually add more depth.
Basicly, what you are saying is that until now games weren't good, if you look at it. And if we let time pass, in 10 years from now you'll be saying TRA doesn't have good graphics and good gameplay? 10 years from now Halo 2 will be a crappy game with crappy graphics? I guess not.
In 1972, Pong was an achievement. And it's pretty funny, IMHO.not at all, i didnt draw a time line of any sort. but the fact remains that games age very badly compared to other entertainment media, perhaps the worst of all actually.
will halo 2 and TRA look ancient in the future?
it will sure take a long long time, but i reckon a few generations down the line, the newer gamers will (due to what they're used to) say things like "this game map isn't even the size of a country" or "i don't like these graphics, they're not photorealistic".
nostalgia plays a big part when we boot up games from yesteryear. i downloaded a spectrum emulator recently, and i quite happily completed Treasure Island Dizzy for the first time in 15 years. Fantastic. But when i tried to play Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, i just couldn't. the reason why?
i had never actually played that one as a kid. no rose-tinted glasses. i saw it from a fresh angle, for exactly what it was. an ancient game.
i didn't continue.
without nostalgia, or an old game reminding you of a happier, more carefree time, the effect is gone.
donttouchmyuzis
23-06-07, 02:38
I think the atmosphere is better on Playstation also. Plus Lara is easier and more fun to control. And I still think she's more attractive on the PS. The only bad thing about the PS is that it's difficult to get screenshots and it doesn't have the extention packs.
Vilcabambaby
23-06-07, 02:52
It's sad that the most games and gamers now regard graphics as a defining factor; not the gameplay itself.
obviously no one played TR1 with a voodoo3.. With the 3dfx patch the game was awesome... no pixels, no moving walls, there was no problems, it was the same as the others tomb raiders for windows....
biohazard1379
28-06-07, 19:39
You're probably better off with the PS version.
Getting TR1 to work on new versions of Windows is a nightmare. You might as well shoot yourself in the foot and you will sustain less pain lol.
You're probably better off with the PS version.
Getting TR1 to work on new versions of Windows is a nightmare. You might as well shoot yourself in the foot and you will sustain less pain lol.
Hehe, I never seemed to have much trouble. Well, I never got sound to work in the in-game cutscenes, but I could live without that.
It's a game of 1996...If anything I say the graphics are terrific considering how old they are. What did you expect, PS3 quality?
Graphics doesn't make the game, it's only a part; but you've also to considerate the sound and the gameplay. Tomb Raider 1 was, is, and it's going to be a classic forever.
rr_carroll
28-06-07, 23:32
You're probably better off with the PS version.
Getting TR1 to work on new versions of Windows is a nightmare. You might as well shoot yourself in the foot and you will sustain less pain lol. Yes, you actually have to (gasp!) READ ENTIRE SENTENCES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEAN! :eek:
OK, I admit it took me a couple of days.
tombinator
29-06-07, 00:09
not at all, i didnt draw a time line of any sort. but the fact remains that games age very badly compared to other entertainment media, perhaps the worst of all actually.
will halo 2 and TRA look ancient in the future?
it will sure take a long long time, but i reckon a few generations down the line, the newer gamers will (due to what they're used to) say things like "this game map isn't even the size of a country" or "i don't like these graphics, they're not photorealistic".
nostalgia plays a big part when we boot up games from yesteryear. i downloaded a spectrum emulator recently, and i quite happily completed Treasure Island Dizzy for the first time in 15 years. Fantastic. But when i tried to play Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, i just couldn't. the reason why?
i had never actually played that one as a kid. no rose-tinted glasses. i saw it from a fresh angle, for exactly what it was. an ancient game.
i didn't continue.
without nostalgia, or an old game reminding you of a happier, more carefree time, the effect is gone.
i'm confused as to whether im disagreeing with you or agreeing with you. I do feel that u have to think about the time the game is produced in, to rate it correctly. i, personally, don't think that how games age compared to other entertainment media has anything to do with anything, you rate games against games, not against films or books! TR1 was good in its time and was probably the best looking game that could be produced at the time, and it had the sound, story and gameplay to make it a brilliant game.
on another of your points though, i do believe that nostalgia has a lot to do with it aswell, i would never go and play a game now from 10 years ago unless i had played it when it was first released, not when i have so many new games to choose from that are just being made! i would never pick up a game like final fantasy 7, as i never played it at the time, and so i would probably be thinkin, why am i not playin the newest one! TR1 reminds me of a simpler time, when i was 10, and when i play it i do kinda go back to that age in my mind!
P.s Pong is a legendary game!
biohazard1379
29-06-07, 15:06
Yes, you actually have to (gasp!) READ ENTIRE SENTENCES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEAN! :eek:
OK, I admit it took me a couple of days.
It took me 1 day, omg pwned. :ton:
rr_carroll
29-06-07, 21:59
It took me 1 day, omg pwned. :ton: Oh, damn, I lost the race! :hea:;)
ihatecold17
02-07-07, 00:12
Also, since you only care about graphics :whi:, TRII's are slightly better
Yeah and the games better in general! lol
TRAIDER523
02-07-07, 02:32
Yeah and the games better in general! lol
TR II only has SOME parts that beats TR1 but overall.. NOT a better game. Just some more enemies and action. Not puzzles though..
[quote]TR II only has SOME parts that beats TR1 [quote]
i cant think of a single instance where it beats it.
[quote]Just some more enemies and action. ..[quote]
i think that made it a far worse game
TRAIDER523
02-07-07, 17:51
^^^^^
1. I'm not talking about soo much beating TR1 but there are more parts that put Lara up to a challenge. And made it more of a rush. For instance the first level (TRII) when you run from boulders, slide down ramp, walls close in with spikes, climp ledge, jump over blades, run down hallway with more closing spikey walls to end up in a room with ANOTHER closing spikey wall and then break a way floor.. LOVED that part. And a lot of parts in the Temple of the Xian.
2. I think the amount of enemies was quite ridiculous but once again the same reason as the first idea. It put Lara to her full potential.. I choose TR1 out of ANY TR game made so far. I've been playing since it came out and will many many many years from now. It's what TR is all about.
The graphics on the PC format are 10 times better than the PS format.
But i dont know if you know, but on TR:Anniversary, if you go to options and put on the commentary markers, one of them where you enter the big main hall of st francis folly, the one with all the rooms, when you click the pointer, toby guard (think thats his name) says he actually went back to TR1 and coppied some of the textures over to the Anniversary game because they were that good, intresting.
Guy
donttouchmyuzis
03-07-07, 23:34
I agree that the graphics are much better on pc, but has anyone else who has played both noticed that she looks longer and less chunky on the PlayStation?
TRAIDER523
04-07-07, 01:20
The old games for PC (TR 1-5) deffinitly make Lara shorter and chunky. I only played them on PS though.. But I've tried demo's for the PC and do not like them. So yes I have noticed also :ton::hug:
tomobond875
13-07-07, 16:15
well, wats rong with the ps version??/ huh, huh!
said elsewhere..........
i'm currently playing TR1 on PS3.....and to be honest the graphics are fine
i'm currently at Folly :D
i started replaying it after TRA...........took awhile to get reacquainted with the original controls though :vlol:
I agree that the graphics are much better on pc, but has anyone else who has played both noticed that she looks longer and less chunky on the PlayStation?
Yeah, alot of console games (say Grand Theft Auto Vice City for instance) give you an option of widescreen on / off (widescreen mode being 16:9), and in widescreen everything looks taller and, for me, much better.
In the main PS2 options you can even change it there.
Most people don't know that, and play their games at a graphical quality they probably wouldn't choose if they knew.
However, I don't know how to make PC games graphics "taller" and in widescreen mode. There never seems to be the option in PC games. Do you instead change your screen resolution? No resolution I have tried has given me this effect.
I play at 1024x768.
Can anyone educate me on that?
Hello,
you're confusing two things here: resolution and aspect ratio. Even though most games "support" widescreen resolutions, the aspect ratio is not correct to display true 16:9 or 16:10. Those game settings need to be adjusted in the ingame menu's or in the game's .ini files. In the extreme cases, one would need to apply a widescreen patch to the game. I believe there's a site dedicated to widescreen gaming on the net. (google is your friend)
Jeroen
solidsnake289
14-07-07, 13:43
has anyone else who has played both noticed that she looks longer and less chunky on the PlayStation?
I noticed that a bit must be cause of the graphics.
I believe there's a site dedicated to widescreen gaming on the net.
thanks. i had to laugh at this. (http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/Grand_Theft_Auto_series)
"Grand Theft Auto IV (http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php?title=Grand_Theft_Auto_IV&action=edit), the in-development fourth game in the series."
So San Andreas, one of the best and most popular games ever seen, doesn't count as a game, or does not count as part of the GTA series.
pur-lease...
Chug a Bug
22-07-07, 17:17
Having also played the original Tomb Raider on PS1 and PC, I can't say I see much of a difference, and yeah, of course the graphics are poor by today's standards, but for their time, they were top-notch.
The polygon rates are exactly the same on the PS1 version as they are on the PC. It's only with TR4 that the versions differed, the PC version being superior to the PS version. The TR1 PC version runs at a faster framerate than the PAL PS1 version (the NTSC version runs the same) but thats the only difference. The resolution difference is only because TV screens have a lower resolution than PC screens, the game resolution and polygon count is actually the same on both versions. :)
i am thinking of buying the first tomb raider for ps from ebay...i understand that the graphics are crap compared to today's games, but it was made 11 years ago, what do you expect?....the reason i am going to buy it is because i wanna re-live the thill and excitement of the first game...all those memories...
amalitsa, you could also check your nearest branch of CeX, there's one in most cities. it's all 2nd hand but totally reliable, i thought the PS version of the original Tomb Raider there for £1 !!!!!
Ye, graphics should only be an addition to the game. Gameplay should be your main focus.
amalitsa, you could also check your nearest branch of CeX, there's one in most cities. it's all 2nd hand but totally reliable, i thought the PS version of the original Tomb Raider there for £1 !!!!!
really?? never thought of that...there is one in my city ..i should deffo go and check if they have a ny copies...thnx!!!:jmp:
You know you can ENHANCE the graphics on the PS with the PS2 (not sure about PS3).
What you do is that when you're in the main browser on the PS2 (where you see BROWSER, SYSTEM CONFIGURATION, press TRIANGLE TWICE, and then you can set the Playstation graphics settings to SMOOTH and if you want, loading speed to FAST.
And really you should be happy that you got the PS version since this comes up with more music - on the PC I believe, in some parts of the game where there was suppose to be music, it doesn't come up at all.
fallenangle
23-07-07, 20:27
If it's like my local CEX they won't have many, if any, PS games on display, They stopped doing DC and import games on any platform a long time ago.
Best way to see if they've got PS TR1 is to use their web site. You can order from them online or find out which branch has a copy.
Actually I'd go to Amazon first, you might well find it new from one of their Marketplace traders and I'm fairly certain that there are still Platinum version TR bundles inc. TR1 still being sold direct.
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