View Full Version : Timeline Crossing – “What if” theory
Playing Legend again made me think of an interesting theory; based on what Crystal did in LoK: Defiance – they used time travel to rewrite the entire history of the LOK universe.
Now, in Legend, Lara and Amanda are responsible for Amelia’s Croft disappearance. We all assume that Lara would be going to Avalon to bring her mother back, but what if instead of going to Avalon, Lara will find another dais and prevent her mother from pulling out the sword?
Her timeline would change since now with her mother never disappearing her father won’t die searching for his wife and would probably remain the famous archeologist he was. With this we can actually get back to the old bio having Lara training with Von Croy (her father colleague), and ending up being disowned by her parents for becoming a tomb raider instead of an archeologist.
What do you think?
Laras Backpack
21-06-07, 17:39
Like Prince of Persia Sands of Time where he stops the hourglass being opened and then in PoP:WW when he stops it being discovered all together? I love that kind of thing. :D
My only problem is that I find it hard to see Richard or Amelia disowning Lara. I've re-read her Legend biog and it notes that Richard taught Lara everything he knew and that Lara went on to discover several archaeological sites. So it seems that she is considered an archaeologist rather than a grave robber and that she and her father weren't so different.
However, it could still work. The biog is very vague as to the nature of Richard's career. He is reknowned for his outlandish theories (Avalon, Atlantis etc.) but he may have just become that way after Amelia disappeared. Maybe losing his wife turned him from a by-the-books academic into a rogue adventurer. Then Lara in turn followed in his footsteps. Amelia's disappearance is a catalyst for Lara becoming the woman she is today.
BUT if Lara stops this event then Amelia could still be alive. Richard would remain a conventional academic and never research Avalon and Atlantis. Lara may therefore end up as a bookish scholar and not be encouraged to take her career to another level. This could mean that she never becomes a Tomb Raider and never ends up saving the world from the likes of Natla! Therefore the world ends up enslaved by Natla and her Atlanteans. :yik: Lara will have to make a heart breaking choice- either save Amelia and have a few more years with her mother or let Amelia disappear and start a chain of events that causes the seventh age to begin!
Then again, if Lara knows about Atlantis before she does the time warp then she'd just be able to go back and alter events to become the tomb raider and stop natla. Or maybe messing up the timeline results in complete memory loss so she wouldn't be able to remember what she's done. :confused:
This isn't very water tight I know, but time travel has always been a bit of a mind **** to me. :mis: :D
Sara Croft
21-06-07, 17:43
I like it, but..
If lara pulls out the sword she will dissapear, and if noone pulls it out the place will eplode (according to amanda at least)
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BUT if Lara stops this event then Amelia could still be alive. Richard would remain a conventional academic and never research Avalon and Atlantis. Lara may therefore end up as a bookish scholar and not be encouraged to take her career to another level. This could mean that she never becomes a Tomb Raider and never ends up saving the world from the likes of Natla! Therefore the world ends up enslaved by Natla and her Atlanteans. :yik: Lara will have to make a heart breaking choice- either save Amelia and have a few more years with her mother or let Amelia disappear and start a chain of events that causes the seventh age to begin!
Then again, if Lara knows about Atlantis before she does the time warp then she'd just be able to go back and alter events to become the tomb raider and stop natla. Or maybe messing up the timeline results in complete memory loss so she wouldn't be able to remember what she's done. :confused:
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It's very possible that Lara's close connection to her father developed only after her mother disappeared - and by her mother's standards Lara might not want to become an archeologist till she gets taste of it (traveling with Von Croy), and later developing even stronger hunger for adventure turning into a tomb raider.
They when she encounters Natla - things would probably go the way it was in TR1. :tmb:
Sara Croft, that's a good point, unless Amanda was trying to manipulate Lara.
Laras Backpack
21-06-07, 18:28
So you want the time travel to happen so TR goes back to the old biog? :)
Playing Legend again made me think of an interesting theory; based on what Crystal did in LoK: Defiance – they used time travel to rewrite the entire history of the LOK universe.
Now, in Legend, Lara and Amanda are responsible for Amelia’s Croft disappearance. We all assume that Lara would be going to Avalon to bring her mother back, but what if instead of going to Avalon, Lara will find another dais and prevent her mother from pulling out the sword?
Her timeline would change since now with her mother never disappearing her father won’t die searching for his wife and would probably remain the famous archeologist he was. With this we can actually get back to the old bio having Lara training with Von Croy (her father colleague), and ending up being disowned by her parents for becoming a tomb raider instead of an archeologist.
What do you think?
omg thats perfect! but then anniversary would be wrong b/c it still has richard searching for amelia (well his voice, but u get it) but that would be so cool to hav her disowned and all.
omg thats perfect! but then anniversary would be wrong b/c it still has richard searching for amelia (well his voice, but u get it) but that would be so cool to hav her disowned and all.
Yeah but then Legend and TRA would be a parallel timeline episodes - like the one on Heroes or "The Wish" on Buffy. ;)
Leaving TR9 to be deal with the classic Lara in new setting.
So you want the time travel to happen so TR goes back to the old biog? :)
Exactly! :tmb:
Laras Backpack
21-06-07, 18:42
Exactly! :tmb:
Cool. Though I won't be sad if the new biog stays, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be happy if CD implimented a nice big reset button that re-established the old Biography. I'd have the Core storyline back in a heart beat! :D
Sara Croft
21-06-07, 18:51
They when she encounters Natla - things would probably go the way it was in TR1. :tmb:
The problem here is that Natla is after creating the seventh age in TR:A, and she was long before Lara even was born. So the story would definatly be different anyway.
Sara Croft, that's a good point, unless Amanda was trying to manipulate Lara.
Yes, However I think amanda would rather say nothing and jump on Lara trying to desperatly rip out the sword herself, since she understood that Lara wouldnt pull it out. I mean, she wouldnt yell 'Take out the sword!' if she knew Lara would pull it out. Im pretty sure the place would explode if noone pulled it out.
maybe both swords needed to be online to make that thing work.... maybe crasing in nepal, finding the stone was not just a meere casuality, but a universal plot, thats why twisting time lara would be able to push both swords at the same time (in different times) and diferent places... both onlines would mean the open portal and to close it to take both swords out at the same time... otherwise the portal would overload and explode... it was obvious too that they need to configure the stones around the dias,.. perhaps that was the time frame... those images were the exsact location and time for the portal to open. and therefore by putting them all as if in the past, the portal will open to the past,...
ThomasCroft
21-06-07, 19:39
Cool. Though I won't be sad if the new biog stays, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be happy if CD implimented a nice big reset button that re-established the old Biography. I'd have the Core storyline back in a heart beat! :D
In all fairness, Core didn't have much of a storyline. CD are actually basing their games on Lara's bio, whereas Core's bio was just sort of an add-on and fitted into the games they made.
And I'm not saying that what CD is doing is better, btw.
if lara make some time travel t when she was a kid i want to see that croft manor´s era...
i like to see the same thing in different times...
they should make two levels in the same places, one in some place in the past and other in the same place in the present or future..
and its time for start whit time travels, lara could ebcame some archealogist that trip now for every time... is i want some atmorphere is "back tot he future atmorphere" lol
i would like to play whit lara´s mother in the present time in a tr9 and whit lara in a past time whit lara lost in the time... lara could go to the feldal japan the real feldal japan time, and the mother in the present in the actual japan, and they could make some comunication in the rocks, and search for the same mithy
of course it is for tr9 after the first time travel and lara´s mother retrieve...
after that i want to see lara´s going to somewhere, that become a new mystery and her mother stay in her place... (the time dont change for lara´s mother, i believe that lara will find her mother how her mother was when she was a kid)
Laras Backpack
21-06-07, 20:23
In all fairness, Core didn't have much of a storyline. CD are actually basing their games on Lara's bio, whereas Core's bio was just sort of an add-on and fitted into the games they made.
Except in TRs 4, 5 and AOD.
Whether a TR game is going to be about Lara's past or not, I personally prefer her being disowned by her parents (ala Core) but like I said, CD's bio will do just fine with me. :)
Cool thing about combining the bios this way would allow Crystal to reflect Lara's relationship with her parents after being disowned. Perhaps even having Lara working with her father to find something truly hidden (like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade).
This isn't very water tight I know, but time travel has always been a bit of a mind **** to me. :mis: :D
You said it, same here. I hate the idea of time travel, as I believe it to be impossible, in addition to being downright confusing.
However... time might be moving differently wherever Amelia is. What is considered years to Lara may have been no time at all to Amelia, heck she may even be living the original experience with young Lara. She sure didn't recognise the older Lara and was very confused. What if the portal only went to the past, and wherever that future is we're going to see inevitably, which is why there is still time?
Ahh see... time travel... :confused: :D
Away from the time ideas, here's my current theory. King Arthur was taken to Avalon. According to Amanda, Avalon is real. The myth goes that Arthur would return some day to defend against a major threat. What if the major threat had something to do with Atlanteans? Natla trying to destroy the human race with a big flood just like Atlantis? It is in most of the myths according to Alistar...
bloodstormaoa
22-06-07, 01:56
Sorry Lior K, but that idea really doesn't appeal to me :o
It would be a complete cop-out on the Legend storyline IMO, which has a lot of potential to be fantastic. I appreciate the "why" behind your wanting to return to the old timeline etc. but it really is a mute point. Amelia will not return into Laras life and Richard will remain dead, so they will be absent in future storylines. Lara won't always refer to them.....So in a way it doesn't matter:p
for me lara would become a new marthy macfly...
deactivated
22-06-07, 13:46
Now, in Legend, Lara and Amanda are responsible for Amelia’s Croft disappearance. We all assume that Lara would be going to Avalon to bring her mother back, but what if instead of going to Avalon, Lara will find another dais and prevent her mother from pulling out the sword?
If she prevents her mother from pulling the sword, the timeline does not disappear: it splits and she then she thinks she gets to chose where she will go next:with her mother or on to the mother-less universe.
However, in the sword unpulled universe, lara probably never became a tomb-raider so Lara would have to kick her out.
...mmm...game plot, switch universe for a while and move about the manor without being seen by non-tomb-raiding Lara.
Oh.. Please everyone stop now before it's too late and crystal starts actually considering this. Tomb Raider has always based in a non-fiction universe with fiction Elements. Don't try to add time travel. Tomb Raider would be completely ruined.. I know they did it briefly in the first movie but they didn't CHANGE anything important to Lara. Really consider what you are saying. It would ruin everything that is Lara Croft and Tomb Raider.
I can see it now.. Star Trek XX starring Lara Croft and the Time bending Swords Of Camelot!!
No please.. Its a paradox.. Lara was never going to change the past because you cant change it. Once I got to that bit in Legend I knew it wouldnt end in a good way..
It's the old arguement of "if you built a time machine to stop the 2nd world war and then you could go back and kill hitler as a young un." BUT! If you did that then why would you build the time machine if hitler and the second world war never happened??? Time travel to the past is impossible. there's no way it could ever happen.
And Star trek has the rights on it I am sure. :D
Oh.. Please everyone stop now before it's too late and crystal starts actually considering this. Tomb Raider has always based in a non-fiction universe with fiction Elements. Don't try to add time travel. Tomb Raider would be completely ruined.. I know they did it briefly in the first movie but they didn't CHANGE anything important to Lara. Really consider what you are saying. It would ruin everything that is Lara Croft and Tomb Raider.Totally agree. :tmb: :cool: And that's coming from someone who loves a good time travel/paradox story. Lara changing the past and everything sorting itself out to be tied up with a nice neat bow will kill any credibility this franchise has. For me... anyway.
Like you say - TR is placed in a predominantly NON-FICTION world with (usually clever twists on) fiction elements creatively placed around genuine myths and legends.
As Avalon in mythology is considered to have a different time mechanics to Earth, it is fair enough that they have included that aspect into the dias operations at the end of Legend. But I think they should tread very carefully here... they don't have much room to maneouvre before this all becomes tres ridiculous.
Sorry, but I don't like this idea. Like you mention LoK: Defiance (the greatest game of all times), after the end it becomes clear, that the time and its stream could not be changed. Travelling through time and actions made for changing timeline events only make them to happen. Future always lies on Past, and the Past cannot be changed. Every attempt to change the past has already happened before, even that you don't know about it, and has brought fate to its present condition. If we assume that the present is the only path to future (i.e. futute is now), so there aren't any restrictions of the alternative way you are gonna take, but how I've said alternative, so there is Fate after all, but it depends on the decisions we make.
If Lara gets back to the past, every move she makes will define her future as an orphan and determine her "career" as a tomb raider, so there is no way she can change her history. But if we assume that time travelling is existable at all, then there is some hope for Lara to find her missing mom. If when getting back to the past she manages to safe her and send her to the future then at the exact moment if she make the right choice they will meat again (the same age most likely or even Lara might be older than her mom. Lol :hea: - this is disturbing). But don't you think that when realizing that she (Lara) herself was the cause of all her misery during these years, she will conceive a hatred for herself and even try to commit suicide, what game would that be?! I don't want to see Lara weak, she is a heroine and fetish for generations.
About her father's death, the things are same. But this time she will know that she was the one guilty for his doom. That's not very nice too. Same result.
If she refuses to kill herself, then she is heartless and this is not Lara - so...
No hard feelings!
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