View Full Version : Wow. TR1 is incredible short and Easy.
Tomb of Legends
22-06-07, 11:57
I pledge my legionce to Tomb Raider Anniversary being the better of the 2 in these cases; TRA is sooo much longer and harder. Yes thats right, no level as gone over 60 mins. I havent played through the whole game for a year now, nothing is fresh in my mind except scares and highlights. Also there have only been 1 case that I was INCREDIBLY stuck (Midas Switch Puzzle..die in hell :p)
Ever level so far from Greece onwards as been 40 mins. Where in TRA my first time through most levels was 1hr and 30mins.
RIP TR1, you dont inspire me anymore...(much!) Dont get me wrong, great game! Perfect in Atmosphere, level design and thrills. But as the years go on and I play through more TR's, my skills get better and TR1 gets shorter and easier...sad.
TR1 is definitely at least slightly longer than TRA. However, I agree that TRA is quite a bit harder.
Tomb Of Legends, you are known to be a CD fanboy, so we know why you started this thread, trying to offend the original TR1 supporters ;)
TRA was 11 hours for me, TR1 20. TRA was easier for me also. On top of that, Ive replayed TR1 11 times, and TRA I wont touch until next year before another TR is released to get used to the controls.
But most importantly, TR1 has an epic feel, with better atmosphere and better level design. TRA is empty and not as complicated setup. Nice graphics though.
Now troll somewhere else :o
Jordan_Boi
22-06-07, 13:54
Wtf? TR1 is way longer than Anniversary.
I disagree.
My first run through TR1 took me two weeks to complete - over 25 hours of gameplay. TRA first time took me 13.5 hours.
Replaying these games TR1 takes me about 12 hours (45 minutes per level, give or take). My second TRA replay was less than 7 hours (06:52:35).
Tomb of Legends, if you find TR1 that easy and short then no way TRA takes you that long. Even Crystal admitted TRA to be shorter than the original.
tombinator
22-06-07, 15:02
it doesnt matter if you havent touched TR1 in a while, i didnt play it for about 8 years, and i still remembered most of it! its the classic type of game that u never forget what to do, like MGS1. i think i took about the same amount of playing time to complete both of them!
I like TRA because it makes me remember all the things from the original one. In this game i feel nostalgic, but happy at the same time because i am remembering all the great stuff from the 1!:hug:
Tomb of Legends
23-06-07, 02:25
Tomb Of Legends, you are known to be a CD fanboy, so we know why you started this thread, trying to offend the original TR1 supporters ;)
TRA was 11 hours for me, TR1 20. TRA was easier for me also. On top of that, Ive replayed TR1 11 times, and TRA I wont touch until next year before another TR is released to get used to the controls.
But most importantly, TR1 has an epic feel, with better atmosphere and better level design. TRA is empty and not as complicated setup. Nice graphics though.
Now troll somewhere else :o
I am NOT a fanboy, I love Cores as much as I love CD's TR's. Let the nerds be fanboys and obsess over things. I didnt say I hated TR1, I love it too, its great! But TR1 is way shorter I reckon, at least from my play through it is.
It all depends on the player. Different people get stuck on different parts.
Vilcabambaby
23-06-07, 03:11
I think TRA is longer in my opinion.
I think experience plays a major role in finishing games. I played TR1 when I was 9 and it took me eons to finish the game. It's my first time playing a third-person 3D game so basically, I was clueless. Playing TR after Super Mario Brothers in Super Famicom sure was a big leap.
I played the original recently and was surprised that the game that made me cry in frustration and ages to finish before was done in no more than 7 hours. Had I played TRA without prior experience on 3D games then I'm pretty sure it would be just as long if not long than my first run of TR1.
Also, the fact that TRA is a remake makes the game easier and faster to finish because you already know more or less what the objectives of each level are.
But that's just me. To each his own.
Tomb Of Legends, you are known to be a CD fanboy, so we know why you started this thread, trying to offend the original TR1 supporters ;)
Yeah, I noticed that! :vlol: T of Legends, you try to offend the Core lovers. Not trying to be rude, but being VERY serious.
Having played TR1 right after I finished TRA, I did think TR1 took longer than TRA. That's nothing against TRA or TR1, in fact in many ways I prefer TRA to TR1.
Tomb Of Legends, you are known to be a CD fanboy, so we know why you started this thread, trying to offend the original TR1 supporters ;)
Err...this doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would ToL even be playing TR1 just to bash it anyway? This thread didn't really start as a TR1 bashing thread, it started as a comparison of relative difficulty. Nobody seems to be posting claims like yours in the TRA forum...
Something I would like to point out to everyone who beat TRA faster than TR1 - When you originally played TR1, you had no idea what to expect from any of the levels. When you played TRA however, you had a good general idea of what was to come. Naturally you would go through TRA faster than TR1, since the puzzles where kept reminiscent of the originals and the levels on a similar, if more streamlined, path.
I love TR1, and even as good as anniversary is, it doesn't come close to being as great my first experience with the original - But that's because my experience with the original was, well, original. TRA is a remake of something we've played before.
As far as actual length however, I am going to say that anniversary was longer. Sure, they removed alot of side rooms, there weren't any useless (but fun) nooks in the walls to go into, and some levels (Vilcabama) where cut out almost completely. All that said...
-The Posiden/Neptune part of the Folly is an actual, somewhat complicated, puzzle now involving the raising of water levels. In the original, you just swam down a path, pulled a lever, got a key, and went back.
-The Fire Room in Midas, is again a real puzzle now, involving the raising of pillars, the pulling of multiple levers, and a few jumps that where actually challenging. In the original, you hopped over several flaming blocks, got a led bar, and went back.
-and The cog puzzle is much more elaborate, though still very similar to the originals.
Several other puzzles where also given a revamp - Unfortunately, more puzzles where left exactly the same as the original, and for those of us who have already played that, we knew the basics of what to do.
For most people new to the series however, TRA is actually the more complicated and lengthy game because of the new puzzles, in addition to the old puzzles we all know and love.
My personal completion time for TR1 (My first time through) was 16:38, for TRA it was 18:26 - and that's with the fact that Lara moves SO much faster.
I will also play anniversary more often, even if the original was more impressive my first time through it.
Tomb of Legends
23-06-07, 08:13
Yeah, I noticed that! :vlol: T of Legends, you try to offend the Core lovers. Not trying to be rude, but being VERY serious.
Ugh! You people are friggin annoying me!
I AM A MASSIVE FAN OF TR1 and CORE. Ive been playing TR since it came out, TR1 is a great game. Im just saying that its short and easy. Thats not bashing, ugh. Some of you must be soooo nerdy that you defend a game with all you've got. Get a life.
And CAISACO, this isnt all pointed towards you. Others aswell.
The areas may be smaller, but TR1 has MUCH more exploration. CD ****ed The whole Atlantis chapter, lost valley, cistern and tihocan and vilcabamca completeley. And some other levels too, but those were the worst cases.
Tomb of Legends
23-06-07, 09:08
Exactly, although in TRA The Great Pyramid (or Final Conflict) was over an hour. In TR1 is 20 mins for me. Still TR1's is better, so many traps! Good fun!
Oh ma gosh! Im NOT a Fanboy, or I wouldnt have said that!:ton:
Hm.. TR1 is still a great game, but it just doesn't do it for me anymore.. With todays technoligy and such (yeah yeah, back then it was amazing) But I don't think TR1 is really that short, but it's not exactly long and hard either.
And I don't get why people accuse Tomb of Legends to be bashing Core's TR1?? He's only trying to say that it's shorter and easier than TRA. doesn't sound like bashing to me..
Tomb of Legends
23-06-07, 11:57
THANK YOU.
At least you have half a brain cycle.
Nateboy2000
23-06-07, 15:42
I pledge my legionce to Tomb Raider Anniversary being the better of the 2 in these cases; TRA is sooo much longer and harder. Yes thats right, no level as gone over 60 mins. I havent played through the whole game for a year now, nothing is fresh in my mind except scares and highlights. Also there have only been 1 case that I was INCREDIBLY stuck (Midas Switch Puzzle..die in hell :p)
Ever level so far from Greece onwards as been 40 mins. Where in TRA my first time through most levels was 1hr and 30mins.
RIP TR1, you dont inspire me anymore...(much!) Dont get me wrong, great game! Perfect in Atmosphere, level design and thrills. But as the years go on and I play through more TR's, my skills get better and TR1 gets shorter and easier...sad.
I agree totally with this,TR1 does seem so much shorter now after 10, (oops 11 years.) I do love Tr1, but those levels you can complete at breakneck speed now. Even after i have completed TRA several times it still take me about a hour or more to complete St. Francis Folly and the Sanuctaury Of the Scion levels. Even though i have complete the Time Trails for those levels, (which are all under and hour), i only managed that because i was speeding and avoiding alot of the enemies, which i sometimes did unsuccesfully. But i can also see where those Core fans are coming from, why would you sayRIP TR1 Some take that very offensively because otheres may not feel Tr1 is dead they may get much playing it and for you to declare it dead is so wrong. But it doesn't effect me...........
I think that it's obvious that TR1 is going to be shorter and easier now. For one thing a game is always easier if you have played it before. For another thing, it was "simpler times" back then. Most of the puzzles on the TR1 were a combination of jumping, levers and blocks because that's all they could do.
In my opinion, I liked the original better. I just think it was more fun to play if anything. Of coarse that could be because I don't really like the grappling hook.
da tomb raider!
23-06-07, 21:04
I haven't played Anniversary yet, but Tomb Raider 1 is still pretty long and challenging in my opinion.
Blue Buddha
23-06-07, 21:24
ToL, I'm not sure I get what point you're trying to make here. I find TR1 much, much shorter and easier now than *when I first played it*. First time it took me 2 months of fairly intensive playing (I don't know what in-game time was), I hadn't a clue what was going on, it took ages to master the controls and some of the puzzles were a total *****. Couple that with the PS1 fixed save points and it was a massive challenge. Now I can breeze through the whole thing in a day or two - anything's easy when you know how and have 10 years of experience. I just don't think it's a reasonable comparison to hold that up against playing TRA for the first time. With TRA I did Peru in the first day, even taking a leisurely approach, and then deliberately stopped. I knew what the general solution was to most things, and even where I didn't it didn't take very long to resolve.
For me, TRA is indeed vastly superior to TR1 in many important and critical ways, but for a handful of very crucial reasons TR1 still holds the crown. The most crucial of all for me is that I still play TR1 and love it. Will I still be playing TRA in 10 years time? I hope so, but I don't know.
Just my opinion of course.
Cheers,
BB
Luka_Aveiro
24-06-07, 01:25
Actually, i believe TR1 would be much more easier to a newbie than TRA, and so, shorter...
I believe the best thing when comparing TR1 with TRA is knowing CD made a very nice game, a reasonable length/difficulty game.
I myself, would love a longer/harder game, let's see if they can pull it off in TRL2...
regards
TR1 is certainly (much) longer. TRA is harder because of the messed up controls and camera. You can beat the game for less than a week (assuming that you are not playing it all the time) or even a few days. When you get stucked it's not because the game's difficalty, but because the controls and camera (in PC version).
To sum it up:
TR1 is much longer and harder for a newbie, for experienced player is a lot easier than TR2, but it is longer then TRA.
TRA is short , but hard for a newbie, for experienced player it is even shorter and frustrating.;)
TRAIDER523
24-06-07, 18:07
IDK what your taking for drugs or anything but can you honestly say that TRA is longer than TR1 ???? That is like saying TR AOD was the greatest game in the series and had NO bugs what so ever... TR1 is one of the longest games with TR4 being first and then TR 3..... TRA has NOTHING on TR1. Levels were soo much longer. TR1 had WAY more traps !!!! More things to kill I'd say. They very much babied it down for the Anniversary. And also the game took longer because A.) More levels. B.) Some levels took over a half hour to beat. C.) She moved a lot slower so covered less ground in less time than in TRA.. And some of the environments in TR1 was WAY bigger than some in TRA.. Heh. Play through it again after played TRA than say this.... Eeesh ! Always a new day for more nonsense..
Anti.Enemy
24-06-07, 19:51
TR1 is definately longer than TRA, It took me approximately 4 or 5 days to reach the cistern and thats where I stopped because anniversary was released, and then it only took me about 4 days to finish TRA, so I say TR1 is longer..
TR1 is definitely at least slightly longer than TRA. However, I agree that TRA is quite a bit harder.
What I hate is that it's hard frustrating, not hard challenging, in TR1 you really have to think when you don't get something. In TRA you usually get stuck because of time limits or traps etc. Always something more physical than mind bobbling. TR1 is much more intelectual.
Night_Heaven
24-06-07, 22:02
I pledge my legionce to Tomb Raider Anniversary being the better of the 2 in these cases; TRA is sooo much longer and harder. Yes thats right, no level as gone over 60 mins. I havent played through the whole game for a year now, nothing is fresh in my mind except scares and highlights. Also there have only been 1 case that I was INCREDIBLY stuck (Midas Switch Puzzle..die in hell :p)
Ever level so far from Greece onwards as been 40 mins. Where in TRA my first time through most levels was 1hr and 30mins.
RIP TR1, you dont inspire me anymore...(much!) Dont get me wrong, great game! Perfect in Atmosphere, level design and thrills. But as the years go on and I play through more TR's, my skills get better and TR1 gets shorter and easier...sad.
Crystal Dynamic and Legend fan, did you ever read what are you posting in this thread?:) We will make straight and fast this one. Put you on a tr1 game and me at Tr:A game. I bet my computer and my room that you wont be able to finish Tombh Raider 1 before my on Tr:A. Tr:A is sooo short and non chalenging . I will finish TR:A 3 times or more than you will finish Tomb Raider 1. More that say this thread is usless..No offense you are a great forumist.
Crystal Dynamic and Legend fan, did you ever read what are you posting in this thread?:) We will make straight and fast this one. Put you on a tr1 game and me at Tr:A game. I bet my computer and my room that you wont be able to finish Tombh Raider 1 before my on Tr:A. Tr:A is sooo short and non chalenging . I will finish TR:A 3 times or more than you will finish Tomb Raider 1. More that say this thread is usless..No offense you are a great forumist.
You would won, but only because anniversary has better controll and Lara moves faster in that game :P
Anyway TR1 might be longer but I think many today's player would find that lenght boring in some way. Many empty corridor, many doors-opening with obviously placed switches etc. What is exploration for some ppl others may find it boring :)
Otherwise for me
TRA is shorter for me(without seeking relics) . TR 1 is longer for me
The original is certainly alot longer in my opinion.
Pentrazemine
27-06-07, 01:34
no level as gone over 60 mins
You Fail.
That's complete bull****, I checked a dozen TR website walkthroughs and the level Natla's Mines from the original TR was 83 minutes. As well as other levels were 70 minutes, besides, you're saying completly the opposite about the game. Tomb Raider 1 was the longest TR game out of the entire series, and ironically alot of people complained about how short TRA was, which it was too short. Quite humping your TRA case, Corky. And wait for a longer TR to come out so you can complain on how short that one is, even if it is long.
The original is certainly alot longer in my opinion.
It's not an opinion, it's the truth.
Yoshi_Master
29-06-07, 06:38
TR1 was definitley longer for me, it took me about a month the first time, but TRA was harder :P
Tomb Raider 1 was the longest TR game out of the entire series,
Actually, TR4 was the longest game in the series ;)
nicola1986
29-06-07, 07:28
TR1 took me ages to finish, it was so much longer than TRA for me, even tho TRA is better than Legend, it still seems a little short for me, especially Colloseum.
I lolled, it is the other way around ;)
There is a speed run on youtube. The levels I have seen were around 5-8 mins to complete and they took less time than the anniversary levels took for me (inj time trial mode)
btw check this link:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tomb+raider+speedrun&search=Search
SoulReaver74
06-07-07, 14:39
[QUOTE=Pentrazemine;1925448]You Fail.
That's complete bull****, I checked a dozen TR website walkthroughs and the level Natla's Mines from the original TR was 83 minutes. As well as other levels were 70 minutes, besides, you're saying completly the opposite about the game. Tomb Raider 1 was the longest TR game out of the entire series, and ironically alot of people complained about how short TRA was, which it was too short. Quite humping your TRA case, Corky. And wait for a longer TR to come out so you can complain on how short that one is, even if it is long.
Could not agree more with you Pentrazemine, what is Tomb of Legends on about TRA is a stroll in the park in comparison, no way are the levels longer in anniversary, probably played TR1 to death and mastered it with repeated play through's.
Excuse the amateur posting. First one for me on here.
I got stuck for three months on TR1...couldn't find the way out of Lost Valley - the opening under the waterfall. Can't believe I was so thick. I absolutely loved that game, especially Mr Giant Mutant. It will always be the best game in my mind, especially since none of the music of the other games has ever followed the quality of TR1's.
TRA drove me mad with the control system. Took a long time to master it. It felt short and lacked something. Angel of Darkness was worse.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't tr1 reset the time when you die (to last checkpoint) and TRA keep it running?
TRAIDER523
06-07-07, 23:58
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't tr1 reset the time when you die (to last checkpoint) and TRA keep it running?
Here's your correction. It did not reset itself. Just brought you back to the last save crystal. And the time kept going also. Even from that crystal. The levels in TR 1 was soo ridiculously long.. But the timer kept going. Not sure how long it had taken me to finish the first TR but I got up the The Santuary of the Scion without dying once. And the only reason I died was because I lost power. But would have died anyways in Natla's Mines or Atlantis. Game is a legend compared to these others.
SoulReaver74
07-07-07, 00:09
Here's your correction. It did not reset itself. Just brought you back to the last save crystal. And the time kept going also. Even from that crystal. The levels in TR 1 was soo ridiculously long.. But the timer kept going. Not sure how long it had taken me to finish the first TR but I got up the The Santuary of the Scion without dying once. And the only reason I died was because I lost power. But would have died anyways in Natla's Mines or Atlantis. Game is a legend compared to these others.
Thats a great achivment TRAIDER523, not dying until Santuary of the scion, must be some kind of record, maybe if you had recorded it as evidence, you may have qualified for a guinness world record entry, just joking with ya ,well done!
There is a speed run on youtube. The levels I have seen were around 5-8 mins to complete and they took less time than the anniversary levels took for me (inj time trial mode)
btw check this link:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tomb+raider+speedrun&search=Search
Speedruns mean nothing in terms of a time comparison. There are many long games that can be completed in an hour or two, and, conversely, relatively short games can sometimes take a few.
At least one person has done the whole game in one go ;) .
TRAIDER523
11-07-07, 01:02
Thats a great achivment TRAIDER523, not dying until Santuary of the scion, must be some kind of record, maybe if you had recorded it as evidence, you may have qualified for a guinness world record entry, just joking with ya ,well done!
HA HAA.. Thaaaanks.. I didn't play in one sittin though LOL. It took me like 3 days in total.. I just took my time and suprisingly did not die. I have been playing the game since it's release and pretty easy now. Still is a challenge because of controls but yah I should have recorded it LOL.. :hug::ton::tea::jmp:
SoulReaver74
11-07-07, 06:47
HA HAA.. Thaaaanks.. I didn't play in one sittin though LOL. It took me like 3 days in total.. I just took my time and suprisingly did not die. I have been playing the game since it's release and pretty easy now. Still is a challenge because of controls but yah I should have recorded it LOL.. :hug::ton::tea::jmp:
You are a true veteran of TR1 maybe you should recieve a life time achivement award for flawless game control. :jmp:
Trevor_M92
11-07-07, 18:41
What really blows about TRA is that everytime when you die, you restart back to the checkpoint and you have full health again. :hea:
solidsnake289
11-07-07, 19:06
Same problems has well :(
SoulReaver74
12-07-07, 06:14
I know why does this happen, maybe a simpathy glitch.
When I first played TR1 this year, it took me 5 days to complete...
TR1 is definitely at least slightly longer than TRA. However, I agree that TRA is quite a bit harder.
You think? TR1 is harder than TRA IMO. I used forever to get through TR1 the first time.
You think? TR1 is harder than TRA IMO. I used forever to get through TR1 the first time.
In TR1 almost everything is skill based; if you know what to do you can survive it in some way or other. Just getting through the game without dying (with no special rules) is namely a case of memorisation and rote. From what I've seen, the Saturn version does have a few freeze bugs but they're fixed in other versions (you can also accidentally cornerbug variant to your doom, but that's extremely rare).
In TRA however, glitches can wipe you out in some cases even if you know what you are doing (see the pillars in Obelisk of Khamoon), and there are far more traps and obstacles in some areas (see Obelisk again, although others are removed). The animals are also more dangerous (you can be killed in about two-three hits on hard by some stuff, while in TR1 all enemies are pretty harmless with the possible exception of Atlantians). The puzzles that have been "reimagined" are also more complex. Those all make me think TRA is harder, even if some of it is artificial (glitches).
The original is certainly alot longer in my opinion.
My opinion too :)
SoulReaver74
13-07-07, 10:38
TRA does have some very tricky section's to negotiate, no question, Obelisk Of Khamoon for example, some of those trap's "oh my god" had me cursing, but that aside TR1 is a greater challenge IMO, there is a large amount of skill required more so than TRA.
Lara Forever
13-07-07, 11:18
tr1 is more harder and longer then tra when i first played tr1 and iw as going slowly looking in every corner it took me a month and i didnt rushed anywhere tra took me every level moe then 1 hour and half except for the great pyrimd which took 36 mins lol and in tr1 took me twice longer to those levels cause they were longer and harder imo
TR1 is definitely at least slightly longer than TRA. However, I agree that TRA is quite a bit harder.
I aggre mman, TR1 is slightly longer & harder than TRA, TRA is just & takes longer to complete. ;)
The original is a lot longer and harder in my opinion. As you can see, many toher people think the same thing as me. :)
tr1 is harder for me becouse im used to the controls and camera of TRL/TRA
in tr1 it takes lara way too long to jump after i pressed the jump key.
on every running jump i fall at least 4-5 times and i get really frustrated sometimes.
chris watton
26-07-07, 14:02
TR1 is definitely at least slightly longer than TRA. However, I agree that TRA is quite a bit harder.
I would have to disagree, TRA isn't harder, but infinitely more frustrating, and in my book, having to do a wall run/jump, silly boss levels over and over and over again, to make the levels ‘seem’ longer, doesn’t make it hard, just annoying.
I have completed both games, and I can honestly say that the original’s levels are bigger, by a long way.
All in My OHO, of course
Hmmmm, TR1 is indeed very short :wve:
Postalisback
26-07-07, 14:24
Well, TRA has been longer for me so far, but thats because I hadnt played the original in years, now I'm gonna try and complete TR1 before continuing on TRA, so that it feels nostalgic to play TRA :D
I played TRA recently, and it took me about 30 hours, but, I left her standing around with the clock running a lot. I just don't care about the timer.
When I first played TR1 I had just played TR2 again, so TR1 was not too hard and only took about 20 some hours.
It took me a while (a bit longer than it had taken you) to complete the game because I was scared of the Atlantean monsters. :( They shounded scawy!
TR1 took longer to play than TRA for me anyways. The only thing that was hard about TRA was dealing with the lame controls otherwise it was rather boring and somewhat obvious as to what you had to do!
FullmetalEd
28-07-07, 21:17
TR1 took longer to play than TRA for me anyways. The only thing that was hard about TRA was dealing with the lame controls otherwise it was rather boring and somewhat obvious as to what you had to do!
BRILLIANT deduction, my friend! :D
TR 1 goes faster because it's playable.
BRILLIANT deduction, my friend! :D
TR 1 goes faster because it's playable.
Right now I've been playing TR1 when I have a few minutes here and there. I'm currently at Palace Midas. It's been quite some years since I last played TR1. I played it right after I got my PS2, I think, but I had my original memory card with all my saves. This time I've misplaced my TR1 mem card, so I'm playing from scratch.
So I reach Palace Midas and the first thing that really stood out, especially after just finishing Anniversary, was the fact that there were several different paths to choose from.
The other thing that has stood out for me, is how my all-time fav TR tune played when I reached Folly, I think and maybe a couple of other times, "Longing for Home" by Nathan McCree. It's available for free download from McCree's website. I have it in my Ipod. Hearing it in the game again was a treat.
it was rather boring and somewhat obvious as to what you had to do!
That's not fair, exactly... I mean.. If you had never played TR1 in your life you probably would know a lot less about what you needed to do in TRA right? After all it's a remake. The objectives in each level remain the same.
That's not fair, exactly... I mean.. If you had never played TR1 in your life you probably would know a lot less about what you needed to do in TRA right? After all it's a remake. The objectives in each level remain the same.
Well I think, or at least my own perception, is that TRA seems much more braindead-linear than TR1. Mind you this is my impression after, or rather, while playing TR1 for the third time in 10 years. You'd think I'd find TR1 linear after playing it three times, even though, truthfully there's been several years pass between each replay.
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