owner of broken eye glasses

[Croft_Original]

Originally Posted by stereopathic

well, one of the members here who has it (mau3genius) just walked in to a game store and bought a copy of chronicles. it wasn't until much later that he realized the disk he'd gotten was actually the beta. here's a thread where he talks about it and posts some screens:
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/show...ight=jean+yves

and here's the article from TRC about the real jean-yves complaining about being in TR4:
http://www.tombraiderchronicles.com/headlines500.html

Thanks for these links, I didn't realise that Jean Yves did actually appear in some copies of the game. Pity the real Jean Yves complained; the story would probably have made more sense if the original character had been included.
And what's wrong with starring in a TR game anyway?

Croft.

[rr_carroll]

I thought of another possibility today: the designers DID mean for the glasses to indicate Jean-Yves's capture, but the didn't keep all the elements straight. In particular, they could have forgotten it's possible to see the glasses, and then return to Alexandria to find Jean-Yves in his office.

[SLAYER]

^ i thought that might have happened since game designers forget stuff all the time. especialy if you are forced to make a game each year...

[ggctuk]

Originally Posted by rr_carroll

I thought of another possibility today: the designers DID mean for the glasses to indicate Jean-Yves's capture, but the didn't keep all the elements straight. In particular, they could have forgotten it's possible to see the glasses, and then return to Alexandria to find Jean-Yves in his office.

Well, remember that we skipped from Cleopatra's Palaces to City of the Dead? I'm guessing that there probably was a return to Alexandria planned for that, and that's where the glasses came from. I doubt they belong to Von Croy as he's still wearing his glasses in the FMV where he's possessed by Seth.

Why they were left in Coastal Ruins by the designers, I do not know.

[!Lara Croft!]

Originally Posted by Cheenie

Same. And didn't Cleopatra die from a snake bite? o.o

In hollywood films yes. But a recent documentary, with the real jean-yves in it, has discovered that cleopatra was murdered by Octavian (later Augustus Caeser).

[Capt. Murphy]

Originally Posted by ggctuk

Why (the glasses) were left in Coastal Ruins by the designers, I do not know.

Because they're human.

[ggctuk]

I suppose they were Jean-Yves, but then they cut the final return out of the game, so instead they wanted us to believe they were Von Croy's.

[Real Life Raider]

Originally Posted by rr_carroll

I thought of another possibility today: the designers DID mean for the glasses to indicate Jean-Yves's capture, but the didn't keep all the elements straight. In particular, they could have forgotten it's possible to see the glasses, and then return to Alexandria to find Jean-Yves in his office.

I believe that it has been discussed that the route from Hall of Demetrius was originally different....remember the door that isn't a door rr?

In all probability, the visit to the room with the broken glasses was originally part of a different travelpath with slightly different story elements.

[rr_carroll]

Yes, along with the skeletons near the glasses that can only be triggered in the Level Editor version.

[ggctuk]

Originally Posted by Real Life Raider

I believe that it has been discussed that the route from Hall of Demetrius was originally different....remember the door that isn't a door rr?

In all probability, the visit to the room with the broken glasses was originally part of a different travelpath with slightly different story elements.

Well, there was discussion on the beta TR4 here:

http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=152105