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Old 18-03-18, 04:37   #12081
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^I'm unsure whether you were aiming those points at me saying "Lara is one of the lads" or the woman saying she's masculine, but I'll answer to both anyways

So my point about Lara being "one of the lads" is that she's somewhat within the male dominated industry of artifact finding/relic hunting, or a least its presented that way in the games. She's somebody who enjoys, thrives even - within these kinds of environments. I personally don't think this necessarily makes her masculine. I know of so many women who prefer male company just because their particular interests align. Girl gamers are usually notorious for having lots of male friends, and there's nothing wrong with that. Doesn't mean they're masculine.

There's a conversation between Chloe and Nadine in The Lost Legacy that I quite like. They talk about how it's nice working with another woman for a change. (Not that working with men is bad). It illustrates that women are the minority, but that's OK.

Although saying that, Neil Druckman is in support of Anita and takes inspiration from her. It made me chuckle a little bit when Polygon slandered his TLOU2 game trailer for "violence against women". lol karma

Now about your point about the indecisive feminists. I absolutely agree with you. Lara can't win.

In my opinion Classic Lara/LAU Lara retains her femininity, but competes with men (usually) and so has to at least be capable of getting the upper hand through her physicality. That's where I think people can get confused about her being masculine. Men are biologically stronger than women, so she at least has to replicate fighting abilities of a man to stand a chance. This is why I like what CD are doing with Lara, forcing her to use the environment around her.

Reboot Lara needs to take control of her own fate, because she's no longer strong and independent, but in fact in her father's shadow (no pun intended).

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Old 18-03-18, 11:56   #12082
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But let's say she is masculine, ok... isn't that something feminists said they wanted in a female character just 5 minutes ago? Some of them literally see any expression of femininity as "weak" or "sexualisation",
That's true, and it makes them in my opinion some of the worst misogynists out there. (Oh, the irony) You would think that a feminist would stand up for femininity and point out the good things about feminine traits, but instead they despise things like Disney Princesses and want to see every female character in fiction to be like Rey and Reboot 'Lara', completely buying into the ideals of the 'toxic masculinity' that they're vilifying all day long.

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So my point about Lara being "one of the lads" is that she's somewhat within the male dominated industry of artifact finding/relic hunting, or a least its presented that way in the games. She's somebody who enjoys, thrives even - within these kinds of environments. I personally don't think this necessarily makes her masculine. I know of so many women who prefer male company just because their particular interests align.
Yeah I have met girls like that as well, and they themselves weren't in the slightest bit boyish, they were ordinary feminine and just preferred to hang out with the guys. I've always seen Lara as one of those girls: look at TR5 were all her guyfriends are mourning her death, and in Legend she only has guyfriends except for that black girl.
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Old 18-03-18, 12:00   #12083
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That ‘Black girl’ has a name you racist pig.


/jokes.
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Old 18-03-18, 12:08   #12084
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That ‘Black girl’ has a name you racist pig.


/jokes.
That's really offensive to pigs. And to people who identify as a pig.

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Old 18-03-18, 12:11   #12085
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That's really offensive to pigs. And to people who identify as a pig.

Are you assuming their identity? A new low
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Old 18-03-18, 12:15   #12086
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Are you assuming their identity? A new low
No no, in my gym they recently build a special toilet room for people who identify as pigs
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Old 18-03-18, 13:45   #12087
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^I'm unsure whether you were aiming those points at me saying "Lara is one of the lads" or the woman saying she's masculine, but I'll answer to both anyways
More at the woman saying she's masculine, but I think there's some subjectivity to it.

There's a point in that she definitely bucks gender norms and can thus be seen as "masculine" in some ways, but I think in how she carries herself it's definitely not to an extreme to where she's outright "manly". The same can be said of Reboot Lara, in fact I think she's more feminine than classic Lara in some ways (especially in showing a lot more vulnerability).
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Old 18-03-18, 14:15   #12088
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The same can be said of Reboot Lara, in fact I think she's more feminine than classic Lara in some ways (especially in showing a lot more vulnerability).
In some ways possibly, but if you take a look at the way classic Lara talks and behaves (the aristocratic poshness) and the she moves and walks there's more femininity to it compared to reboot Lara who moves with all the grace of a soviet era tank and swears like a drunken sailor to boot.
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Old 18-03-18, 16:23   #12089
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In some ways possibly, but if you take a look at the way classic Lara talks and behaves (the aristocratic poshness) and the she moves and walks there's more femininity to it compared to reboot Lara who moves with all the grace of a soviet era tank and swears like a drunken sailor to boot.
I'd say classic Lara presents herself as feminine, while reboot Lara is more emotionally feminine. Classic Lara will act posh and all fancy, but will let you fall off a cliff without a second thought. While reboot Lara will swear like a drunken sailor and break everything, but she cares.
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Old 18-03-18, 16:29   #12090
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I'd say classic Lara presents herself as feminine, while reboot Lara is more emotionally feminine. Classic Lara will act posh and all fancy, but will let you fall off a cliff without a second thought. While reboot Lara will swear like a drunken sailor and break everything, but she cares.
This is actually really true.
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