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Old 06-01-17, 13:11   #1
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Default Why Do People Hate On Crystal Dynamics?

I like to look through reddit a lot, and the YouTube comments on Tomb Raider trailers, and without fail I always see one person saying
"Crystal suk!!1! They R ChanGIn LaRa and All ther gamz suk!"

And then trying to force their opinion on other people when other people say that they like Crystal's games.

You're allowed to not like Crystal's games. I'm not here to tell you that you aren't allowed to. But those people who try to change other people's opinions to fit your liking just need to calm tf down.

Here's my opinion: If Core had continued after the AOD trilogy, made other games that were like TR 1-5, then it would've gotten old fast. I remember seeing people after TR3 came out saying that it was getting really repetitive. Lara goes to a place, finds an artifact, other people get there first and they have to fight each other.

They definitely stepped up their game with TRLR, but it was still essentially the same game style with not many new things added. Then AOD came along, Eidos completely rushed them and they went bust (or whatever happened, I can't really remember). But I am quite sure that after the AOD trilogy, they would have gone back to more of the same, and people would get bored fast.

So Crystal changed it. They didn't make the same game, they took the character, rebooted it and gave it a new style. This way, people wouldn't get bored. Still, the story was basically the same but it had new gameplay, much better graphics and new voice actors. And from then on Crystal owned it, making really great games that would satisfy old fans and new. They rebooted it AGAIN so, again, people wouldn't get bored. I think this was a really good business decision and they did a great job supplying new and fresh ideas every game.

So to those people who keep forcing their ideas on other people, please just stop to think that other people have differing opinions to yours. I, myself, really enjoyed both developers games, and continue to enjoy them with every new one that comes out.

What are your thoughts on everything that Core Design and Crystal Dynamics have done, and do you like both devs games?
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Old 06-01-17, 13:12   #2
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TBH I don't know why either, but you don't even need to go onto Reddit or Youtube to see it tbh when there's enough of it on here as it is.
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Old 06-01-17, 13:35   #3
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Here is mainly a fan base; on youtube there are a variety of people commenting and yes, their opinions are different from the majority here.

On the forums, the feeling of being let down is found among many of us (the majority I guess), but outside the forum, a completely different story is to be read
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Old 06-01-17, 13:43   #4
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@Ermagherd589: Don't take those YouTube commenters seriously; it's well known that most of the YouTube comment section is the cesspit of the internet. And it's not gonna change because you ask them nicely - which, I got to hand it to you, you're at least being civil. Mostly when people complain about other peoples behaviour they're lashing out at them, as if that would make them change their ways. But I think asking nicely is just as futile as lashing out. It's just the way things are...
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Old 06-01-17, 13:47   #5
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You need look no further than your sixth paragraph to find your answer: they changed the character so she was a parody of herself, (and then constantly riduculed this even though it was THEIR creation they were talking down, but acting as though it were Core's), they changed her back story to one people hated and wrote themselves into a corner with regards to her motivation, they simplified the games reficulously taking away any challenge or TRness it had and introduced a cast of chatty Annie's that destroyed any immersion. After that there was the TRA/TRAE debacle and the whole Underworld overhype and lack of delivery etc. You say they made games that classic and new fans could enjoy but they didn't, and to a point, still don't make TR games that classic fans enjoy. And they've been percieved as constantly throwing shade at the classic era, mainly during the LAU era, which ground people's gears. For the record I don't hate CD. I've liked all their games for what they are but they're not TR games. Rise os bringing the formula closer but still not a good balance. I just understand why some people have lingering animosity for them. That's what it is for many - lingering animosity periodically reignited by things they do or don't do dispute the community and now the casual market calling for them to do too.

It's ironic really that stalwart reboot fans blame the older fans for constantly going on about old elements they want back and for the most part futile complaints about braids and dual pistols I see getting annoying but in terms of level design and character portrayal its not just this forum who has a negative opinion anymore.
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Crystal Dynamics haven't helped themselves at times by promoting their product while throwing shade at the legacy they stand upon.
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Crystal Dynamics haven't helped themselves at times by promoting their product while throwing shade at the legacy they stand upon.
Like the legendary Jason Botta and Toby Gard interview for the commentary on Anniversary. It was basically a case of "your game is old and bad, ours is new and better." He, as a representative of the company, issued very little respect for the product they're tasked with creating.

Considering that old piece of crap game is giving all of them very steady work, it's very disrespectful.
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I like to look through reddit a lot, and the YouTube comments on Tomb Raider trailers, and without fail I always see one person saying
"Crystal suk!!1! They R ChanGIn LaRa and All ther gamz suk!"

And then trying to force their opinion on other people when other people say that they like Crystal's games.

You're allowed to not like Crystal's games. I'm not here to tell you that you aren't allowed to. But those people who try to change other people's opinions to fit your liking just need to calm tf down.

Here's my opinion: If Core had continued after the AOD trilogy, made other games that were like TR 1-5, then it would've gotten old fast. I remember seeing people after TR3 came out saying that it was getting really repetitive. Lara goes to a place, finds an artifact, other people get there first and they have to fight each other.

They definitely stepped up their game with TRLR, but it was still essentially the same game style with not many new things added. Then AOD came along, Eidos completely rushed them and they went bust (or whatever happened, I can't really remember). But I am quite sure that after the AOD trilogy, they would have gone back to more of the same, and people would get bored fast.

So Crystal changed it. They didn't make the same game, they took the character, rebooted it and gave it a new style. This way, people wouldn't get bored. Still, the story was basically the same but it had new gameplay, much better graphics and new voice actors. And from then on Crystal owned it, making really great games that would satisfy old fans and new. They rebooted it AGAIN so, again, people wouldn't get bored. I think this was a really good business decision and they did a great job supplying new and fresh ideas every game.

So to those people who keep forcing their ideas on other people, please just stop to think that other people have differing opinions to yours. I, myself, really enjoyed both developers games, and continue to enjoy them with every new one that comes out.

What are your thoughts on everything that Core Design and Crystal Dynamics have done, and do you like both devs games?
I dont get it either to be honest.
Guess its just bashing for the sake of it...i wouldnt care about it for one second.

What CD did with the reboot, is fantastic.
They took a complete character, a character that many only knew as a character without flaws...and gave her so much layers.
They decided to start a franchise at the very start, with a Lara Croft who falls, stumbles, someone who will grow with every step.
Most games let you play a already finished character, so this is something really interesting.

And the thing is that Crystal Dynamics didnt take the classic Lara, this one is completely untouched by them.
Their Lara Croft is a Alternative version of it, her origin and everything else is based on the original...but it is its own universe.
So i absolutly dont get why people constantly go on and "demand" that they make her into classic lara.
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I dont get it either to be honest.
Guess its just bashing for the sake of it...i wouldnt care about it for one second.
Yes, of course it is.
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Lara already had depth and layers...

Crystal just made her more emotional and talkative, while also changing the core of her character. She basically a diffeent person altogether.
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