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Old 14-07-15, 06:18   #31
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That's ridiculous, she's wearing a modest t-shirt and shorts, compare her to the majority of video game women. For example Bayonetta is a great character, and she way more sexualized than Lara. Her sex appeal doesn't take anything away from the character.

I don't understand how sexy=bad

sounds like a very conservative stance on sex, which religious people seem to hold
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Old 14-07-15, 08:21   #32
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I agree with what you said. This is pretty my point of view on the subject.
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Old 14-07-15, 12:51   #33
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That's ridiculous, she's wearing a modest t-shirt and shorts, compare her to the majority of video game women. For example Bayonetta is a great character, and she way more sexualized than Lara. Her sex appeal doesn't take anything away from the character.

I don't understand how sexy=bad

sounds like a very conservative stance on sex, which religious people seem to hold
Its not like that, taken individually ofcourse nothing's wrong. But when you see the overall trend for female characters, seems like if someone's a female, she needs to be sexy is the order of the day. Gets a little annoying all the time. It has eased off nowadays a little though. Same problems exist with male protags. If one is a male protag he needs to be a cool sarcastic jerkass playboy. Let's have more badass gramdmas, more one-handed dominas, more ugly lassies. One of the reasons the GoT world looks so vibrant is because they have all kinds of girls and boys, from sexy vixens to ugly manchesters. Variety!
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Old 14-07-15, 14:19   #34
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Why not? It could be fun. I would love it.

She was a psychopath in classics. She was extremely cold and showed some lack of emotions towards people. She lost her husband a while ago and lives alone. The perfect profile.
Reboot Lara, even if she mass murdered, she isn't a psychopath. She is way too emotional.
I'd say she was a sociopath in the classics and judging from TombRaider 2013 now she's a psychopath.
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Old 14-07-15, 15:24   #35
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I'd argue that there's very few really "strong" female characters in videogames these days, assuming that we mean "strong" as in "high quality", "well thought out", etc. That's not to say there's none (there's certainly many, not including Lara in any era IMO) but there's definitely a bit of a lacking.
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Old 14-07-15, 18:01   #36
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That's ridiculous, she's wearing a modest t-shirt and shorts, compare her to the majority of video game women.
That's not the only thing she's worn in her career. She's worn bikinis, midriff baring tops, but that's not the only way to sexualize a person. There is so much more to sexualization than wearing skimpy clothes.
In a lot of the ads, there were innuendos and comments about Lara and her appearance. Some ad for TR1 said "sometimes having a killer body isn't enough" (makes no sense and puts undue focus on Lara's body) In the AOD Lara interview she shook her butt at the camera.
In game is no better. Remember the Chronicles scene with young Lara's shirt? Or that scene with Kurtis in the Louve in AOD, where he caressed her body? They kept on doing this because they thought it was titillating, not because they cared about her character's sexuality.

That is what I don't like.

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For example Bayonetta is a great character, and she way more sexualized than Lara. Her sex appeal doesn't take anything away from the character.
Bayo was way more fleshed out than Lara. Lara, however, does not have that which makes matters worse.

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It's not really. It just doesn't work when it has nothing to do with anything.
What does being sexy add to a character like Lara? Looking sexy is not really some thing she would think about while dodging huge blades. There is no reason it would supplement her. Intellectually and physically attractive? OK. She can be that and still be well characterized. But sexualization means giving her certain traits meant to be sexy (like boobs or booty shorts). That's not what she needs.
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I just think Lara being sexualized doesn't work for her.
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I agree with what you said. This is pretty my point of view on the subject.
ha thanks

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Old 14-07-15, 18:44   #37
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I don't understand how sexy=bad.
It doesn't, but the problem is that when you create a character that's sexualized to extreme levels, it because clear that it's only done for the sole purpose of sexual gratification. I can't actually think of a sexualized female character in a videogame where her sexuality is used to give us more insight into her as a person. You can have a strong female character, amazingly written and hugely fleshed out, but you can still make her a walking blow up doll and that's a total disservice.
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Old 14-07-15, 19:06   #38
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It doesn't, but the problem is that when you create a character that's sexualized to extreme levels, it because clear that it's only done for the sole purpose of sexual gratification. I can't actually think of a sexualized female character in a videogame where her sexuality is used to give us more insight into her as a person. You can have a strong female character, amazingly written and hugely fleshed out, but you can still make her a walking blow up doll and that's a total disservice.
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That's not the only thing she's worn in her career. She's worn bikinis, midriff baring tops, but that's not the only way to sexualize a person. There is so much more to sexualization than wearing skimpy clothes.
In a lot of the ads, there were innuendos and comments about Lara and her appearance. Some ad for TR1 said "sometimes having a killer body isn't enough" (makes no sense and puts undue focus on Lara's body) In the AOD Lara interview she shook her butt at the camera.
In game is no better. Remember the Chronicles scene with young Lara's shirt? Or that scene with Kurtis in the Louve in AOD, where he caressed her body? They kept on doing this because they thought it was titillating, not because they cared about her character's sexuality.

That is what I don't like.



Bayo was way more fleshed out than Lara. Lara, however, does not have that which makes matters worse.


It's not really. It just doesn't work when it has nothing to do with anything.
What does being sexy add to a character like Lara? Looking sexy is not really some thing she would think about while dodging huge blades. There is no reason it would supplement her. Intellectually and physically attractive? OK. She can be that and still be well characterized. But sexualization means giving her certain traits meant to be sexy (like boobs or booty shorts). That's not what she needs.

I just think Lara being sexualized doesn't work for her.

ha thanks
I was only talking about the Core arcs, I'll agree that LAU Lara was over sexualized with push up bras and bikini DLC.

I don't mind sexy outfits, but not outfits like this

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...227-armour.jpg

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Its not like that, taken individually ofcourse nothing's wrong. But when you see the overall trend for female characters, seems like if someone's a female, she needs to be sexy is the order of the day. Gets a little annoying all the time. It has eased off nowadays a little though. Same problems exist with male protags. If one is a male protag he needs to be a cool sarcastic jerkass playboy. Let's have more badass gramdmas, more one-handed dominas, more ugly lassies. One of the reasons the GoT world looks so vibrant is because they have all kinds of girls and boys, from sexy vixens to ugly manchesters. Variety!

I said this before, I think Lara should have a few scars.

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Old 14-07-15, 19:23   #39
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I was only talking about the Core arcs, I'll agree that LAU Lara was over sexualized with push up bras and bikini DLC.
Oh, okay That's actually one of my few hang-ups with Legend and Underworld. Lara herself was pushed forward to be a stronger, more thought out character than in the classics IMO but they undid some of that work by what they had her wear (or what they gave you the option to have her wear).

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Old 15-07-15, 15:04   #40
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I was only talking about the Core arcs, I'll agree that LAU Lara was over sexualized with push up bras and bikini DLC.

I don't mind sexy outfits, but not outfits like this

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...227-armour.jpg




I said this before, I think Lara should have a few scars.
In the Core games Lara wore belly tops.... In the promo art she wore bikinis. It was one the TR2 gold game disc...
LAU is worst in the terms of sexualization, but Core was not much better.

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