Fun isn't enough for video games. - Page 2

Jo269976 · 13-03-10, 19:34

I disagree, I see games such as Silent Hill or Heavy Rain as purely art, sure you have your generic gameplay implemented to appeal to people, but the sheer focus is on storytelling and gaining an emotional output from those experiencing it.

As those two examples do with great success, in my experience.

Carbonek_0051 · 13-03-10, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Jo269976

I disagree, I see games such as Silent Hill or Heavy Rain as purely art, sure you have your generic gameplay implemented to appeal to people, but the sheer focus is on storytelling and gaining an emotional output from those experiencing it.

As those two examples do with great success, in my experience.

Once again I agree, it's also the same with the Final Fantasy games.

Melonie Tomb Raider · 13-03-10, 19:39

I think this guy is seriously overlooking the amount of clever games out there. Gears of War may be a testosterone paradise, but it's still clever. Games like Mass Effect are brilliant as well.

Games should be fun, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Competition is nice too, but keep it fun!

AmericanAssassin · 13-03-10, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Jo269976

I disagree, I see games such as Silent Hill or Heavy Rain as purely art, sure you have your generic gameplay implemented to appeal to people, but the sheer focus is on storytelling and gaining an emotional output from those experiencing it.

As those two examples do with great success, in my experience.

I don't think the guy meant there weren't any. However, he's right in saying that most aren't. Look at how many hack-n-slash/button mashers there are. It's just blood, blood, and more blood. Games like Heavy Rain are definitely in the minority. :/

TR freak · 13-03-10, 20:00

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Originally Posted by AmericanAssassin

I don't think the guy meant there weren't any. However, he's right in saying that most aren't. Look at how many hack-n-slash/button mashers there are. It's just blood, blood, and more blood. Games like Heavy Rain are definitely in the minority. :/

Bull. It's just blood blood blood my ass. You think blood is the reason games like god of war are popular? You could take the blood and gore out of god of war and it would still be critically acclaimed and popular. Again, what's with this negative sterotype that people think violence = fun? The combat system and design is what makes those games popular.

AmericanAssassin · 13-03-10, 20:03

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Originally Posted by TR freak

Bull. It's just blood blood blood my ass. You think blood is the reason games like god of war are popular? You could take the blood and gore out of god of war and it would still be critically acclaimed and popular. Again, what's with this negative sterotype that people think violence = fun? The combat system and design is what makes those games popular.

Combat and design isn't what this video was talking about. Neither of those things have meaning in them. What I believe that guy was trying to say is that games should have more meaning in them. A message. I'm sorry, but God of War isn't going to impact anybody's life in a positive way.

I'm starting to get the feeling that most of the people who disagree with this thread didn't actually watch the video.

TR freak · 13-03-10, 20:22

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Originally Posted by AmericanAssassin

Combat and design isn't what this video was talking about. Neither of those things have meaning in them. What I believe that guy was trying to say is that games should have more meaning in them. A message. I'm sorry, but God of War isn't going to impact anybody's life in a positive way.

I'm starting to get the feeling that most of the people who disagree with this thread didn't actually watch the video.

God of War impacted my life in a positive way. It made me happy. The fun a game like that brings impacts my life in a positive way because it makes me happy. What's wrong with games doing that? How does a game like heavy rain impact someones life in a positive way any more than a game like god of war? I watched the video. He does use the misconception that people think violence in games = fun. It's a negative stereotype that annoys the hell out of me.

Lara's Nemesis · 13-03-10, 21:05

The gaming industry will always get a lot of negative press, some of it deservedly but it is fast becoming the biggest entertainment industry in the World. It already is there in a lot of countries. There are one hell of a lot of really talented, creative people working in the industry now.

"Last year (2008) will go down in history as the point at which the UK videogames industry pulled decisively away from cinema, recorded music and DVD sales to become the country's most valuable purchased entertainment market, with combined software and hardware sales topping the £4bn mark for the first time: more than DVD and music sales combined, and more than four times cinema box office takings."

"Games are rapidly establishing themselves as the single most exciting and vigorous creative industry around: a sector able to boast not only booming revenues and growing audiences, but a melting pot of talents and new ideas that is increasingly attracting some of the biggest-hitting figures in film, television and the other arts."

"The videogame industry is an area in which consumers are voting with their wallets and their eyeballs: audiences, according to recent surveys such as the Pew Internet & American Life Project, are increasingly switching off their televisions and abandoning passive media for the kind of interactive experience that games are able to offer."

Quotes taken from this article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ames-hollywood

Paddy · 13-03-10, 21:48

How does it make sense that one cant enjoy a fun game?
If you find a game fun does that not mean you enjoy it?
The logic behind some peoples posts is amusing.
And I agree games can be a work of art.

irjudd · 13-03-10, 22:42

"Video games aren't art"

I'd be interested to know what the thousands of creative designers and graphic artists that put their heart mind and soul into the creation of some of the most beautiful vistas and art direction in some games, would have to say about that.

I tend to say that anyone that questions video games as art needs to go spend a few hours in Oblivion. Travel from north to south, east to west, and watch the sun come up and down. Watch the weather change. Just the views are an absolute work of art. It takes a creative vision to come up with the things you'll see there. I don't buy that there wasn't any personal expression and creative processes involved.

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Melonie Tomb Raider Tomb Raider Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 22,418	I think this guy is seriously overlooking the amount of clever games out there. Gears of War may be a testosterone paradise, but it's still clever. Games like Mass Effect are brilliant as well. Games should be fun, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Competition is nice too, but keep it fun! __________________ If you don't have dreams, how can they come true?

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Paddy Tomb Raider Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 23,276	How does it make sense that one cant enjoy a fun game? If you find a game fun does that not mean you enjoy it? The logic behind some peoples posts is amusing. And I agree games can be a work of art. __________________ If voting made a difference they'd make it illegal. - Saki Last edited by Paddy; 14-03-10 at 03:56.

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Jo269976 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Fortune City. Posts: 8,124	I disagree, I see games such as Silent Hill or Heavy Rain as purely art, sure you have your generic gameplay implemented to appeal to people, but the sheer focus is on storytelling and gaining an emotional output from those experiencing it. As those two examples do with great success, in my experience.

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Lara's Nemesis Relic Hunter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minerva's Den Posts: 5,584	The gaming industry will always get a lot of negative press, some of it deservedly but it is fast becoming the biggest entertainment industry in the World. It already is there in a lot of countries. There are one hell of a lot of really talented, creative people working in the industry now. "Last year (2008) will go down in history as the point at which the UK videogames industry pulled decisively away from cinema, recorded music and DVD sales to become the country's most valuable purchased entertainment market, with combined software and hardware sales topping the £4bn mark for the first time: more than DVD and music sales combined, and more than four times cinema box office takings." "Games are rapidly establishing themselves as the single most exciting and vigorous creative industry around: a sector able to boast not only booming revenues and growing audiences, but a melting pot of talents and new ideas that is increasingly attracting some of the biggest-hitting figures in film, television and the other arts." "The videogame industry is an area in which consumers are voting with their wallets and their eyeballs: audiences, according to recent surveys such as the Pew Internet & American Life Project, are increasingly switching off their televisions and abandoning passive media for the kind of interactive experience that games are able to offer." Quotes taken from this article. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ames-hollywood

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irjudd Tomb Raider Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,856	"Video games aren't art" I'd be interested to know what the thousands of creative designers and graphic artists that put their heart mind and soul into the creation of some of the most beautiful vistas and art direction in some games, would have to say about that. I tend to say that anyone that questions video games as art needs to go spend a few hours in Oblivion. Travel from north to south, east to west, and watch the sun come up and down. Watch the weather change. Just the views are an absolute work of art. It takes a creative vision to come up with the things you'll see there. I don't buy that there wasn't any personal expression and creative processes involved.