‘Tomb Raider’ and the scene which may define the game’s maturity

[michaeldt]

Originally Posted by Sir Croft

If we have to stop talking about sensitive subjects because someone might be offended, not a single good story would be told.
There are lots of sensitive subjects being explored in movies and books; war, death, diseases, domestic violence, violence in general, extreme poverty, racism, homophobia... Anyway, the list goes on and on and it does include rape itself. My point is if movies and books are fine to explore said subjects as plot devices, why can't a game do it too? The rape scene doesn't even go beyond what we've seen, if the player fails the QTE, Lara dies.
In a nutshell, people are overreacting trying to be the guardians of non-issues because an implied rape attempt in a video game is so much more important than the countless other problems happening in the world.

I whole-heatedly agree with you

[Ornate Star]

Just read this thread and sadly, I have to agree whole-heartedly. Firstly, games are a way of escaping the realities of life as is any other form of entertainment. For an hour or so we can forget things as mundane as rent, taxes, mortgages and Rooney's suspension and also much darker things like the collapse of the Eurozone, war, Rooney's suspension and indeed, rape. If this scene wasn't anything but a sick marketing tool to grab attention then why put it in a trailer?
It seems that TR is focussed on creating a vulnerable Lara for us all to feel sorry for. I can take this, so long as they have put as much effort in creating a far better adventure than they previously have. I'm not gonna judge until I've played the game of course, but any game that promotes itself on a possible-rape scene then I fear the worst.
Lara became so huge because she was a woman who took on huge challenges in dark and dangerous locations, something that hadn't been seen before. The games were fantastic, mixing ancient worlds, loneliness and isolation and danger and fear seemlessly. Lara Croft has always been vulnerable but only because she chose to be.

And, come to think of it, Lara has been raped for years by marketing goons anyway.

Back to Temple of Xian again.

[BinRaider]

Originally Posted by Ornate Star

Just read this thread and sadly, I have to agree whole-heartedly. Firstly, games are a way of escaping the realities of life as is any other form of entertainment. For an hour or so we can forget things as mundane as rent, taxes, mortgages and Rooney's suspension and also much darker things like the collapse of the Eurozone, war, Rooney's suspension and indeed, rape. If this scene wasn't anything but a sick marketing tool to grab attention then why put it in a trailer?
It seems that TR is focussed on creating a vulnerable Lara for us all to feel sorry for. I can take this, so long as they have put as much effort in creating a far better adventure than they previously have. I'm not gonna judge until I've played the game of course, but any game that promotes itself on a possible-rape scene then I fear the worst.
Lara became so huge because she was a woman who took on huge challenges in dark and dangerous locations, something that hadn't been seen before. The games were fantastic, mixing ancient worlds, loneliness and isolation and danger and fear seemlessly. Lara Croft has always been vulnerable but only because she chose to be.

And, come to think of it, Lara has been raped for years by marketing goons anyway.

Back to Temple of Xian again.

Television is a form of entertainment but there are hundreds of documentaries, films, TV Shows, Soap Operas and News shows involving gritty, sick and depressing crimes and tackling issues like rape. Video games are just the same. Some games are just for sheer enjoyments while some are enjoyable but tackle major issues.

I seriously don't see how you only think games should be for fun and escapism but you'll play a game involving murder, insanity, blood and gore but god forbid rape? Not saying that rape is fun - just saying that your priorities need sorting out...

EDIT: Also not saying that the new TR has a rape seen in it because it DOES NOT. Just generalising.

[Ornate Star]

Good point about the murder etc. Perhaps we've become desensitised to this. Let's hope the same thing doesn't happen to rape.

I'm not a fan of films, tele etc that glorify murder. If news and documentaries show this then so be it. It is merely reporting on the terrible things that happen in the world. I suppose I'm just used to defending Lara from lions, dragons, gods, scorpions and demons instead of rapists.

[Survival]

There is no rape. Unless Kurtis feeling Lara up at gun point is also a rape. Geez people. Some horny guy touches new "Lara" a bit and everyone is making a huge case out of this as if it were gang rape. The internet scores some points for being hillarious.

Sure it is exploitative, but so was old Lara and her blow up doll proportions, it is how entertainment media work.

[Larua croft]

Originally Posted by Survival

There is no rape. Unless Kurtis feeling Lara up at gun point is also a rape. Geez people. Some horny guy touches new "Lara" a bit and everyone is making a huge case out of this as if it were gang rape. The internet scores some points for being hillarious.

Sure it is exploitative, but so was old Lara and her blow up doll proportions, it is how entertainment media work.

yup sex sells.

[frankgberry]

That is very creepy...

[Gamd1011]

Originally Posted by Survival

There is no rape. Unless Kurtis feeling Lara up at gun point is also a rape. Geez people. Some horny guy touches new "Lara" a bit and everyone is making a huge case out of this as if it were gang rape. The internet scores some points for being hillarious.

Sure it is exploitative, but so was old Lara and her blow up doll proportions, it is how entertainment media work.

It is sexual assault in BOTH cases, but still people are over-reacting.

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by Survival

There is no rape. Unless Kurtis feeling Lara up at gun point is also a rape. Geez people. Some horny guy touches new "Lara" a bit and everyone is making a huge case out of this as if it were gang rape. The internet scores some points for being hillarious.

Sure it is exploitative, but so was old Lara and her blow up doll proportions, it is how entertainment media work.

It is wildly obvious that people on this forum lack the knowledge, or think they're so enlightened by equating it to Kratos having consensual sex, that women in any industry are based on their sexuality rather than their intelligence or strength. This scene itself exploits her sexuality, not in a horny nerd boy beating off, but that her sexuality has to be a focus for this scene. Her being a woman means she has to be put through this for someone to connect with her.

A ton of people keep saying ~real life~ ~gritty~. There are many women who are strong and powerful without having this type of issue occur with them (the sexual assault).

It's really pathetic how some people can't see that and try to act on a high horse when people are fighting to bring equality to the female gender in how stories are told.

I absolutely DO agree that there are people blowing this up. I also believe that there are people who, if a fully enacted rape scene was in the game, would act like it was nothing but ~gritty story~. A lot of them are here.

[Larua croft]

People are overreacting ive seen movies that had brutal rape scenes and yet no one complains about em. Yet when a guy feels up lara people cry rape.