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Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:20
A 12-year-old boy was charged with assault and taken before the courts - for throwing a cocktail sausage. The boy was accused of throwing the pork snack at a 74-year-old man in Woodhouse Park, south Manchester.
He denied the charge in a hearing at a Manchester Youth Court, where the judge questioned the decision to prosecute.
Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) are now reviewing the case, which the boy's mother described as an "utter joke".
She told the BBC: "They came to arrest him in my house, they took him into a police van. They took him to Elizabeth Slinger [police station], put him in a cell, took his photographs, his fingerprints, then interviewed him.


Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6958826.stm
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FFS, can this country get anymore ridiculous!? Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

This is pathetic.

Peachy
22-08-07, 19:23
This is pathetic.

You do have a good point, however it is very funny :jmp:

Dakaruch
22-08-07, 19:24
OMFG that's pathetic but terribly funny :vlol:

touchmyheart
22-08-07, 19:24
....what!? :D

Betal
22-08-07, 19:25
I have to agree. That's just pathetic...

*maggie*
22-08-07, 19:27
This is pathetic.

I agree!

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:28
It's funny, because those so called "police" should be out keeping murderous yobs from street gangs off the streets.

Beanz
22-08-07, 19:35
O.....k..... A sausage?! :vlol:

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:38
O.....k..... A sausage?! :vlol:Well, what do you expect from England's police? Heck, they probably regard a sausage more harmful than a firearm.

Betal
22-08-07, 19:39
It's funny, because those so called "police" should be out keeping murderous yobs from street gangs off the streets.

It isn't the police fault. But if you think that. Then go outside and yell: FTP (**** the police).

I hate seeing people say something about the police when they don't know a **** about them. It isn't the polices that decide what to do. They have a boss you know....

Lara Croft!
22-08-07, 19:40
Stupid people!

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:42
It isn't the police fault. But if you think that. Then go outside and yell: FTP (**** the police).

I hate seeing people say something about the police when they don't know a **** about them. It isn't the polices that decide what to do. They have a boss you know....Err, excuse me, I am smart enough to know about the police. ;) They don't seem to be able to catch real criminals.

So think before you make stupid comments about the police in a country you don't even live in.

Mr.Burns
22-08-07, 19:42
The police followed procedures. The kid had priors. You can't keep slapping him on the wrist. He won't learn his lesson otherwise.

Ben, be nice, you'll get people with different opinions.

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:43
The police followed procedures. The kid had priors. You can't keep slapping him on the wrist. He won't learn his lesson otherwise.But I keep saying Mark, why can't they stop the suicide bombers? 7/7 could've been prevented you know.

Paperdoll
22-08-07, 19:43
Lmao that sounds so horribly wrong :D

Dirty mind? Me? Naaaah :p

Betal
22-08-07, 19:44
But I keep saying Mark, why can't they stop the suicide bombers? 7/7 could've been prevented you know.

Do it yourself if that's so easy. You can't just walk out and arrest some suicide bombers. It's not that they are walking around in town with they bombs hanging

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:44
Lmao that sounds so horribly wrong :D

Dirty mind? Me? Naaaah :pWell, if it was that kind of sausage, I guess this would be serious. But as I always say, the more serious the crime, the less they do about it. ;) :p

@Betal: No, but they had them under surveillance and they could've stopped them.

george_croft
22-08-07, 19:46
Hilarious. Sausage assault, lol :D

jackles
22-08-07, 19:47
I do live in this country and in a rough area....and I know that if someone has three reprimands at 12 then they have probably done a lot more that they have got away with. What are the police supposed to do? What if he had thrown a knife at the old man? The ordinary Joe Bloggs copper works on the streets...specialists police depts work on terrorism. There will always be unknown factors that can't be accounted for. Also this account deals with the boys mother....she is hardly likely to say anything bad about her little darling is she?

The papers are full of accounts of 'yob culture' here it seems the old bill are doing something about it and should be commended surely?

Mr.Burns
22-08-07, 19:48
But I keep saying Mark, why can't they stop the suicide bombers? 7/7 could've been prevented you know.


Without having any experience in law enforcement, you don't have much credibility in this statement. The cops had an open and shut case. The kid had priors, there was a positive ID on him, they had rules and regulations and they felt they couldn't keep slapping him on the wrist. Finding suicide bombers are harder since they have to investigate, keep it quiet and sift through the false tips with the real ones.

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:48
The papers are full of accounts of 'yob culture' here it seems the old bill are doing something about it and should be commended surely?
Well from what I see, they're not doing anything about it.
Crime is a big issue in this country and it needs to be addressed - something the current government doesn't do to key issues: immigration, crime, house prices, hospitals. I could go on for ages.

@Mark: Ok, I guess you're right. But still.

xMiSsCrOfTx
22-08-07, 19:52
I agree with what you said in your initial post.. Is this a joke? They're actually going after the sausage bandit when there's like bombers and stuff out there? :s

NemesisxAngelus
22-08-07, 19:54
:vlol:

That's all I have to say about this.

Rivendell
22-08-07, 19:58
It's funny, because those so called "police" should be out keeping murderous yobs from street gangs off the streets.

Clearly you've never heard that old saying: Today a sausage, tomorrow a grenade ;)

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 19:59
Clearly you've never heard that old saying: Today a sausage, tomorrow a grenade ;)No, I haven't. And I think that expression doesn't really mean much to be honest.

jackles
22-08-07, 20:01
I feel sorry for those police...damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Maybe if the mother had sorted out the kid after the first two reprimands then she wouldnt have to go the press now whinging.



We don't get to see what happens behind the scenes in the special ops...as it would rather defeat the issue if we (and the terrorists) knew what was happening.

jarhead
22-08-07, 20:01
What is it with the whole ' Police aren't doing there job'. They're doing more then you are ;) . And theres a tonne more people then police in this country ( probably more yobs then police aswell). Anyway its about time we have a pathetic funny story, better then all the real grim stuff. ....I'm with Jackles, police are always portrayed negatively in the media, they probably do the most important job and the majority of their efforts go unnoticed

Rivendell
22-08-07, 20:02
Lol Ben, I was joking! :p

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 20:03
What is it with the whole ' Police aren't doing there job'. They're doing more then you are ;) . And theres a tonne more people then police in this country ( probably more yobs then police aswell. Anyway its about time we have a pathetic funny story, better then all the real grim stuffHaha, very funny. Err, I'm a 14 year old boy. I'm not supposed to be enforcing the law. They are, which they don't seem to be doing too well recently.

@Riv: I know. :p

danitiwa
22-08-07, 20:06
OMFG, the dumbest reason for sueing some one I have ever heard! :vlol:
This is so pathetic it's funny! :D

jarhead
22-08-07, 20:07
Well unless you do their job, I dont think you can complain. And I'm sure the police do far more important things then arresting kids with urges to throw sausages. The only things in the papers are the very odd occasional stories that will provoke negative views. Only bad news sells. What a shock if you read a story about police helping elderly across roads.

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 20:08
Well unless you do their job, I dont think you can complain. And I'm sure the police do far more important things then arresting kids with urges to throw sausages. The only things in the papers are the very odd occasional stories that will provoke negative views. Only bad news sellsI think I can complain actually, seeing as crime is a big issue in this country. ;) Looks like your precious police aren't doing a good job after all.

jarhead
22-08-07, 20:11
LMAO they're not MY police :vlol:. Well I'm pretty sure everyones gonna be helped by the police in one way or another. And crimes a big problem in most other countries, no matter how hard the police work, crimes always gonna be there

Mad Tony
22-08-07, 20:12
LMAO they're not MY police :vlol:. Well I'm pretty sure everyones gonna be helped by the police in one way or another. And crimes a big problem in most other countries, no matter how hard the police work, crimes always gonna be thereNo, crime is a big problem in this country in comparison to a lot of other European countries. Crime levels are higher here than many other European countries. Of course, Tony Blair should've done something about that instead of spending tax payers money on luxury vacations. Now we have Gordon Brown, what's he gonna do?

viper456
22-08-07, 20:50
LMFAO !! :vlol:

OK that a side... The kid has been made an example of. Yes its a bit harsh but you know, respect you elders and all that. He shouldn't of been throwing things at a 74 year old man regardless of the fact it was a sausage or not. He was still intimidating the old man and probably making his life uncomfortable.

The kid will hopefully learn now that if he does keep breaking the law then he will be punished. This will either make him or break him, either way it serves him right.

Legend of Lara
22-08-07, 20:52
Uhh... 'kay... :vlol:

TombRaiderLover
22-08-07, 21:19
What a disgusting, sickening crime. I've heard of many horrible crimes, but this tops the lot. Demented child! :mad:

OK, seriously, that's ridiculous. :p

AnthonyShock1515
22-08-07, 23:40
A 12-year-old boy was charged with assault and taken before the courts - for throwing a cocktail sausage. The boy was accused of throwing the pork snack at a 74-year-old man in Woodhouse Park, south Manchester.
He denied the charge in a hearing at a Manchester Youth Court, where the judge questioned the decision to prosecute.
Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) are now reviewing the case, which the boy's mother described as an "utter joke".
She told the BBC: "They came to arrest him in my house, they took him into a police van. They took him to Elizabeth Slinger [police station], put him in a cell, took his photographs, his fingerprints, then interviewed him.


Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6958826.stm
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Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

T

Your right about the suicide bombers and some of the stuff we hear is rediculous. I can understand the survaillance thing though, they couldn't really arrest them because they didn't have any evidence that they were planning to bomb London's transport systems. But I don't see how they couldn't have raided there flat and found fertilizers and stuff stashed around.

kooky
22-08-07, 23:49
OK, now that is just sick!! :( But hitting him with... a sausage, that is pathetic!! :vlol:

Indiana Croft
22-08-07, 23:55
talk about a sausage fest! :vlol:

DREWY
23-08-07, 00:07
Carrying and discharging a sausage without a license? Burn him at the stake I say.
Have they nothing better to do than this? Slow crime day maybe.
Now, was it dipped in sauce prior to the act of throwing? MMMMM Hungry now, must go......

viper456
23-08-07, 00:10
Carrying and discharging a sausage without a license? Burn him at the stake I say.
Have they nothing better to do than this? Slow crime day maybe.
Now, was it dipped in sauce prior to the act of throwing? MMMMM Hungry now, must go......

lmao worked yourself up into a hungry mess there didn't ya ;) :vlol:

FullmetalEd
23-08-07, 00:17
A 12-year-old boy was charged with assault and taken before the courts - for throwing a cocktail sausage. The boy was accused of throwing the pork snack at a 74-year-old man in Woodhouse Park, south Manchester.
He denied the charge in a hearing at a Manchester Youth Court, where the judge questioned the decision to prosecute.
Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) are now reviewing the case, which the boy's mother described as an "utter joke".
She told the BBC: "They came to arrest him in my house, they took him into a police van. They took him to Elizabeth Slinger [police station], put him in a cell, took his photographs, his fingerprints, then interviewed him.


Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6958826.stm
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FFS, can this country get anymore ridiculous!? Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

This is pathetic.

I think this is totally reasonable, and I'm from the US, even. When the police pick and choose who to arrest, it's called street justice. That 74 year old is a human being as well, and for a kid to chuck greasy food at them after they lived their life and earned the respect of people who matter, that kid needs to go to a tough love camp at least :mad:

Btw, please don't reffer to police officers as "idiotic", or "pigs". When the 9/11 attacks happend over here, they went into those twin towers as they were still burning to save who they could. By law, they cannot arrest people for something they "might" do.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 00:28
I think this is totally reasonable, and I'm from the US, even. When the police pick and choose who to arrest, it's called street justice. That 74 year old is a human being as well, and for a kid to chuck greasy food at them after they lived their life and earned the respect of people who matter, that kid needs to go to a tough love camp at least :mad:

Btw, please don't reffer to police officers as "idiotic", or "pigs". When the 9/11 attacks happend over here, they went into those twin towers as they were still burning to save who they could. By law, they cannot arrest people for something they "might" do.Hey, I'm not referring to every police officer on the planet you know. ;) I'm referring to some of the dumb ass police officers that are in England (not all police officers in England are dumb asses, but as you can see from this story, some are).

Right, first of all don't get all mad when you don't even know the situation over here. The crime rate in this country is very bad, and it's ironic that the police are interested in some silly 12-year old kid, but not the real criminals.

Angelus
23-08-07, 00:31
Hey, I'm not referring to every police officer on the planet you know. ;) I'm referring to some of the dumb ass police officers that are in England (not all police officers in England are dumb asses, but as you can see from this story, some are).

Right, first of all don't get all mad when you don't even know the situation over here. The crime rate in this country is very bad, and it's ironic that the police are interested in some silly 12-year old kid, but not the real criminals.

Such as the sicko who shot an 11 year old in the head for no reason today in Liverpool.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 00:31
Such as the sicko who shot an 11 year old in the head for no reason today in Liverpool.Really?

Anyway, this just backs up my point of how ridiculous it is here in England.

Angelus
23-08-07, 00:32
Really?

Anyway, this just backs up my point of how ridiculous it is here in England.

Honestly. I'll try and find a link.

EDIT: He was shot in the neck, and here's the link: clicky. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6959562.stm)

Ikas90
23-08-07, 03:04
Erm...O.o I thought policemen were meant to charge and prosecute for things like assault, rape, and murder... Not for throwing a harmless sausage at someone! <_<

Unfortunately, people are stupid.

I'm so scared of throwing a sausage now... I think I might get the death penalty.

tranniversary119
23-08-07, 03:17
LMFAO! suasage!! haha!. That's pretty stupid going to court for that?

MeowMix07
23-08-07, 03:23
A sausage...

If someone threw a sausage at me I'd just slap them. Or eat the sausage. Or both. :whi:

"You :cen:! Didn't your mother teach you not to throw hors d'oeuvres at people? *Slap*... *Bites into sausage* ... That is quite tasty though."

But if it was a little child I'd probably be very annoyed and want to leave. I've had a 5 year old throw potatoes and gravy at me before... and not miss. But I didn't sue him for assault, now did I? I've had worse things thrown at me. Like remotes. That's probably part of the reason why my brain doesn't work properly...

Sorry. Couldn't resist. Its not funny. :o

CuteKittenlol
23-08-07, 07:38
Lmfao! Omg! That's so stupid!

kryptonite23
23-08-07, 07:40
LMAO!!It does no have any thinkings. :vlol:

The Great Chi
23-08-07, 10:19
I do not find this story funny one bit, I think it is shows how the UK, (and the USA via the patriot act) has lost any personnel freedoms, re, fingerprinting a boy, DNA next ?

I think these two contries have now slipped down the slope of becoming the next North Korea, ie, a police state , all in the name of 'war on terror' :(

They may have thought the sausage was a WMD :eek:
(wmd - weapon of mass destruction)

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 10:22
I do not find this story funny one bit, I think it is shows how the UK, (and the USA via the patriot act) has lost any personnel freedoms, re, fingerprinting a boy, DNA next ?

I think these two contries have now slipped down the slope of becoming the next North Korea, ie, a police state , all in the name of 'war on terror' :(

They may have thought the sausage was a WMD :eek:
(wmd - weapon of mass destruction)I very much doubt it. There are a lot more countries out there who aren't as free as the US and the UK. ;)

Voni
23-08-07, 10:28
I think the whole thing's been blown out of proportion. Yes, the boy shouldn't have thrown the sausage at that poor bloke (I wonder what he'd done to deserve it? Breathed, probably), but the whole procedure was way over the top. I think a police visit and a warning would have been enough, assuming the boy doesn't have a past record with them.

I guess it's the police trying to prove they're doing something about 'yob culture'.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 10:29
I guess it's the police trying to prove they're doing something about 'yob culture'.Yeah, funny how they can't stop the real yobs from murdering innocent people.

nicola1986
23-08-07, 10:42
Oh they'll get someone for throwing a sausage but not when someone punches my uncle in the face for no reason :rolleyes:

jackali
23-08-07, 13:56
Oh dear. I really had hoped that we couldn't get any worse. It looks like I was wrong, it turns out the legal system thinks they have nothing better to do.

jackles
23-08-07, 14:03
Okay ....picture this..your 74 year old grandad is sitting in the park when a gang of Chavs come past and start mouthing off. Grandad feels he shouldn't have to move but one of the kids gets cocky and throws food at him. This same kid has been already stopped and warned twice because of his behaviour. Maybe he has been drinking or got high on drugs..maybe he has a gun at home.


How would you feel if that was your grandad?


Where does the line become drawn....fourth offense? fifth? sixth? I know of kids who committed loads of crimes before anything was finally done. I know it seems trivial.....but maybe that kid who shot the 11 year old was throwing sausages at old people a few years ago.


maybe what the kid needs is a short sharp shock before he gets really bad. It could be the thing to turn him around.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 14:04
Okay ....picture this..your 74 year old grandad is sitting in the park when a gang of Chavs come past and start mouthing off. Grandad feels he shouldn't have to move but one of the kids gets cocky and throws food at him. This same kid has been already stopped and warned twice because of his behaviour. Maybe he has been drinking or got high on drugs..maybe he has a gun at home.


How would you feel if that was your grandad?


Where does the line become drawn....fourth offense? fifth? sixth? I know of kids who committed loads of crimes before anything was finally done. I know it seems trivial.....but maybe that kid who shot the 11 year old was throwing sausages at old people a few years ago.I was wondering when you'd get here ready to defend Labour and the current state of affairs in this country. :p

jackles
23-08-07, 14:07
I beg your pardon? I was just asking people to look at another perspective. I havent mention politics at all.

Forwen
23-08-07, 14:07
I was wondering when you'd get here ready to defend Labour and the current state of affairs in this country. :p

Mad Tony, you're young. Don't, don't fall into the trap of thinking about every fiber of reality within political context so early.

Unless that was irony, then I apologise.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 14:08
I beg your pardon? I was just asking people to look at another perspective. I havent mention politics at all.Which surprised me to be honest. But you did defend the useless policing that is being done in this country. There are a lot more dangerous people in this country than some 12 year old kid.

@Forwen: Don't lecture me. I don't think of every fiber of reality in political context.

jackles
23-08-07, 14:13
I am not attacking or defending anything...what I am asking is that people look at another perspective. That of the old man. The only perspective really given in the account is that of the mother. I understand that to people the bare bones of the story appears ridiculous. But there is always more than one path and that was all I was doing was suggesting people look a little deeper within the context of the story.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 14:14
I am not attacking or defending anything...what I am asking is that people look at another perspective. That of the old man. The only perspective really given in the account is that of the mother. I understand that to people the bare bones of the story appears ridiculous. But there is always more than one path and that was all I was doing was suggesting people look a little deeper within the context of the story.Ok, look at the perspective of how much crime there is in this country, and how it is on the rise.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 14:17
Don't, don't fall into the trap of thinking about every fiber of reality within political context so early.

I believe you're wrong. Politics is so important this day-and-age, it's better to learn about it as soon as possible IMO. It has such an impact on our day-to-day life that dismissing it is quite silly, really.

And the whole "oooh you shouldn't learn about politics because it'll end your childhood too quickly" line of argument is utterly flawed anyway - school curriculum introduces sex education at the age of 12 in England. Tell me that's preservation of innocence and naivety. :rolleyes:

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 14:18
I believe you're wrong. Politics is so important this day-and-age, it's better to learn about it as soon as possible IMO. It has such an impact on our day-to-day life that dismissing it is quite silly, really.

And the whole "oooh you shouldn't learn about politics because it'll end your childhood too quickly" line of argument is utterly flawed anyway - school curriculum introduces sex education at the age of 12 in England. Tell me that's preservation of innocence and naivety. :rolleyes:He never said I shouldn't learn about politics.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 14:19
He never said I shouldn't learn about politics.

IMO, fibers of reality make up politics. How can you know about politics if you don't consider reality? :confused:

jackles
23-08-07, 14:19
I have my own opinions on crime etc..some of which might surprise you! :)

But there is no simple answer either sadly. I have stated several times I live in a very rough area and am well aware of the dangers of a lawless society. However our jousting back and forth can solve nothing. All I am asking is that people question facts and figures that they read, in our society we are fed a diet of fear....who knows what we really can believe or not?

One thing I have learnt ...there is always more than one side to every story.

:)

mathew9r
23-08-07, 14:22
well this is funny :vlol:

but thay can do somthing better than that :rolleyes:

Greenkey2
23-08-07, 14:22
But there is no simple answer either sadly. I have stated several times I live in a very rough area and am well aware of the dangers of a lawless society. However our jousting back and forth can solve nothing. All I am asking is that people question facts and figures that they read, in our society we are fed a diet of fear....who knows what we really can believe or not?

One thing I have learnt ...there is always more than one side to every story.

:)


Well said.

Forwen
23-08-07, 14:30
I believe you're wrong. Politics is so important this day-and-age, it's better to learn about it as soon as possible IMO. It has such an impact on our day-to-day life that dismissing it is quite silly, really.

And the whole "oooh you shouldn't learn about politics because it'll end your childhood too quickly" line of argument is utterly flawed anyway - school curriculum introduces sex education at the age of 12 in England. Tell me that's preservation of innocence and naivety. :rolleyes:

You misunderstood me. First, my post to Mad Tony was tongue-in-cheek and not to be taken word to word. Two, it commented on his particular post that I even, note, quoted because three, the fact that he follows the political events at such a young age (and yes, I'm calling it a young age to do so - I sure as hell didn't give a shucks) itself is quite commendable. I thought that my post was quite clear in its intention though - there's a way of thinking about the entire world, opinions, philosophies only through the context of political stage and political interests displayed by some people interested (or rather obsessed) in politics. Mad Tony's particular comment I quoted was a typical example of such behaviour, i.e. identifying jackles' reasoning with straight defending of one political option, even though she didn't even mention it.

Would this boy really have not been arrested if Tory was in power? Come on.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 14:32
Would this boy really have not been arrested if Tory was in power? Come on.We'll never know. ;) I never actually said the crime rate would be lower with Conservative (but I should imagine it would be seen as who can suck more than Labour).

Laurencarter
23-08-07, 14:33
And I thought my Country was bad!

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 14:36
You misunderstood me. First, my post to Mad Tony was tongue-in-cheek and not to be taken word to word. Two, it commented on his particular post that I even, note, quoted because three, the fact that he follows the political events at such a young age (and yes, I'm calling it a young age to do so - I sure as hell didn't give a shucks) itself is quite commendable. I thought that my post was quite clear in its intention though - there's a way of thinking about the entire world, opinions, philosophies only through the context of political stage and political interests displayed by some people interested (or rather obsessed) in politics. Mad Tony's particular comment I quoted was a typical example of such behaviour, i.e. identifying jackles' reasoning with straight defending of one political option, even though she didn't even mention it.

Would this boy really have not been arrested if Tory was in power? Come on.

True. It seems I did misunderstand your post; and to some extent I still do. I don't understand your point. Your post suggested that we - young people - shouldn't dwell too much on the reality behind politics, which I personally believed was ludicrous. If your point is that we shouldn't think about life 'too politically' then I still don't understand, because life in general is all to do and almost completely manipulated and controlled by politics. :wve:

Forwen
23-08-07, 14:47
If your point is that we shouldn't think about life 'too politically' then I still don't understand, because life in general is all to do and almost completely manipulated and controlled by politics. :wve:

Uh, I've already said I don't question anyone's interest itself regardless of their age, so I won't be repeating myself here. And yup, we don't understand each other apparently, as I'm not sure what you personally mean by "young" (I in this particular context think of the age somewhere around 16 and below) and the statement that I put in bold above is too general to actually comment on it. Let's just leave it at that.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 14:54
Uh, I've already said I don't question anyone's interest itself regardless of their age, so I won't be repeating myself here. And yup, we don't understand each other apparently, as I'm not sure what you personally mean by "young" (I in this particular context think of the age somewhere around 16 and below) and the statement that I put in bold above is too general to actually comment on it. Let's just leave it at that.

Why just leave it at that? This is a discussion forum, and I would like to discuss. :)

In your earlier post, you said something along the lines of "don't fall into the trap of thinking about fibers of reality within a political context too early". By "too early", I thought you were referring to age, i.e. youths shouldn't think too much about the reality behind politics until they get a bit older - this is obviously a ridiculous and patronising statement. Evidently this isn't what you meant, so I don't have a clue what you were referring to.

Additionally, the quote you highlighted in bold was extremely 'general' as I was replying to a general statement in particular, as follows: "there's a way of thinking about the entire world, opinions, philosophies only through the context of political stage and political interests displayed by some people interested (or rather obsessed) in politics." Again, I don't know what you meant by that as it was a very generalised comment.

:)

Forwen
23-08-07, 15:10
Evidently this isn't what you meant, so I don't have a clue what you were referring to.

Reh, I meant that since there's quite a bunch of not-so-young politically-involved people who can't think outside ours-theirs categories about any public matter it would be wrong to get used to such interpretation so early. Patronising? Maybe, just in another way you understood.

Additionally, the quote you highlighted in bold was extremely 'general' as I was replying to a general statement in particular, as follows: "there's a way of thinking about the entire world, opinions, philosophies only through the context of political stage and political interests displayed by some people interested (or rather obsessed) in politics."

Again, that was an expansion on Mad Tony's comment to jackles' post. That someone sees political intention where there is none. That "life in general is all to do and almost completely manipulated and controlled by politics" as in some sort of "eternal power struggle" historical theory then I'd actually agree, but that's a completely different academic-type discussion.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 15:13
Reh, I meant that since there's quite a bunch of not-so-young politically-involved people who can't think outside ours-theirs categories about any public matter it would be wrong to get used to such interpretation so early. Patronising? Maybe, just in another way you understood.

Again, that was an expansion on Mad Tony's comment to jackles' post. That someone sees political intention where there is none. That "life in general is all to do and almost completely manipulated and controlled by politics" as in some sort of "eternal power struggle" historical theory then I'd actually agree, but that's a completely different academic-type discussion.

Thanks for the explanation, I get what you mean now, although I disagree with the first part. :)

::PJB::
23-08-07, 15:45
I completely agree with you Jackles, Why should anybody (young or old) have to put up with that sort of behaviour from a little brat like that?

I think the police did the right thing arresting that kid, It doesn't matter what the boy was throwing (cocktail sausages or whatever) the old man had a right to be outside without being bothered by a little yob like that. If that was my kid the police wouldn't of needed to come arrest him as I would have already dragged him down to the police station and insisted that they did something with him!

That kids mother was to soft on him if you ask me, I bet you if the situation was reversed and the old man was the one who had been throwing the cocktail sausage at the kid and the police wouldn't have done anything about it then the mother would be looking to take some sort of legal action against ether the old man or the police?

I think peoples attitude about this whole situation being "ridiculous and stupid" have got the wrong idea, If the police did this kind of thing more often when offenders are young and scared some sense into them maybe we wouldn't have Chavs going around and making life miserable for the law abiding citizens of this country!

:mad:

Mr.Burns
23-08-07, 15:49
I was wondering when you'd get here ready to defend Labour and the current state of affairs in this country. :p

It's very interesting how when I made a similar statement yesterday, you more or less agreed. However when Jackles makes a similar comment today, you attack her for being liberal. You need to get your facts and beliefs straightened out Ben. What she was arguing was an ethical issue, something you've seen me do a few times in the past. I still stand by what Jackles and I both said. The kid had priors, you can't keep slapping kids on the wrist otherwise they'll never learn.

jarhead
23-08-07, 15:53
Totally agree with PJB. If police started arresting or at least serverly cautioning kids from a young age for petty crimes such as this, then they aren't gonna do them in the future. The longer they leave it, the worse the situation is gonna get. OK Ben, what if you were 70 odd, frail old man who was just enjoying sitting someone when a young yob decided to throw food at you. would you want him to be given a talking too by the police or something more severe??

myrmaad
23-08-07, 15:58
Mad Tony, thank your lucky stars you're not my kid, you'd get more than a lecturing. Sounds like you're defending your "right" to assault people. I don't care if it's a sausage, keep it to yourself. There'd be no need for police if the kid was under my roof.

Tthe Spirit
23-08-07, 16:56
this is so pathetic IMO...

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:00
Mad Tony, thank your lucky stars you're not my kid, you'd get more than a lecturing. Sounds like you're defending your "right" to assault people. I don't care if it's a sausage, keep it to yourself. There'd be no need for police if the kid was under my roof.FFS, I'm not defending the right to "assault" people. When did I ever say what that kid did was ok?

Look, if the police in this country did an adequate job, then something like this wouldn't annoy me.

@Mark: Ok, I was a bit stupid. I'm sorry.

@Jared: Look, I keep saying, until the police do an adequate job in this country, I think they should focus on more important things. Anyway, when I'm 70 I wont be living in this damn country.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 17:23
IMO, compared to other countries - often totalitarian, I daresay - our police force is exceptional. OK, so maybe the job they do isn't perfect, but I'm afraid the police can't work magic. I think we should stop focussing on the efficiency of the police force, and start trying to repair society. That's where the problem is.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:24
IMO, compared to other countries - often totalitarian, I daresay - our police force is exceptional. OK, so maybe the job they do isn't perfect, but I'm afraid the police can't work magic. I think we should stop focussing on the efficiency of the police force, and start trying to repair society. That's where the problem is.Just compare the crime rate in the UK to other European countries. You'll find it's a lot higher here.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 17:27
Just compare the crime rate in the UK to other European countries. You'll find it's a lot higher here.

I repeat, the crime rate is mainly due to our dysfunctional society, not the inefficiency of the police force.

EDIT: People just blame stuff like this on the police because they're too embarrassed to accept that it's OUR fault, no-one else's.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:33
I repeat, the crime rate is mainly due to our dysfunctional society, not the inefficiency of the police force.

EDIT: People just blame stuff like this on the police because they're too embarrassed to accept that it's OUR fault, no-one else's.No, it's both of those reasons.

I'm not embarrassed to except that society is all mucked up in this country, but at the same time I'm not going to blame it all on that.

jarhead
23-08-07, 17:35
@Jared: Look, I keep saying, until the police do an adequate job in this country, I think they should focus on more important things. Anyway, when I'm 70 I wont be living in this damn country.

My question wasn't 'where are you gonna be living when your 70'. Where ever you live, if you were 70 and someone lobbed food over you, would you expect the police to just give him a little talk or arrest him and show him such behavior isnt excepted

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:37
My question wasn't 'where are you gonna be living when your 70'. Where ever you live, if you were 70 and someone lobbed food over you, would you expect the police to just give him a little talk or arrest him and show him such behavior isnt exceptedI know, I was just adding that in.

Obviously, I wouldn't be too happy, but if the police force weren't doing an adequate job (like they're not doing now) then I don't know.

just croft
23-08-07, 17:37
FFS, can this country get anymore ridiculous!? Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

This is pathetic.

And then they talk about how the Portuguese Police is taking on Maddie's case... oh well british police and media will always be stupid

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:38
And then they talk about how the Portuguese Police is taking on Maddie's case... oh well british police and media will always be stupidWell, the BBC are pretty good, but that's about it.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 17:43
No, it's both of those reasons.

I'm not embarrassed to except that society is all mucked up in this country, but at the same time I'm not going to blame it all on that.

No, I quite agree with you. It'd be ludicrous to assume that the police force is perfect. However, I think under the circumstances the police force is excellent. It'd be silly to compare England's crime rate to say ... Scotland, because the country is less densely populated, and, quite frankly, their society is more tolerant and considerate than ours overall IMO. Chav culture - generally, perhaps stereotypically, but nevertheless truthfully - is the main culprit for frequent crimes, and is most common in England - that's a fact. So it is mainly due to our society that crime rate is high, and although the police force isn't perfect, it is never going to be; that's quite impossible. If you had a really lame police force amongst really tolerant people, the crime rates would be low and that wouldn't necessarily say anything about the police force.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:44
However, I think under the circumstances the police force is excellent.I strongly disagree.

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 17:45
I strongly disagree.

Fair enough. :wve:

Mr.Burns
23-08-07, 17:50
I know, I was just adding that in.

Obviously, I wouldn't be too happy, but if the police force weren't doing an adequate job (like they're not doing now) then I don't know.


Let's try a different approach here. Ben, remember when you were being repeatedly picked on at school? The bullies were constantly teasing you and despite your constant complaints, the school was lax about doing anything? Now look at it this way: You're the old man and that young kid with the sausage is the bullies at school. Don't try and find a way to dodge or avoid this question, I want you to put yourself in that man's shoes and think for a second: if that was you, wouldn't you want the kid to be punished especially after hearing that he's been let go twice before? Law enforcement isn't solely about catching terrorists, it's about enforcing all codes and laws. They were doing their job. You can argue that they are wasting their time but try and think about other people and how they may feel in such a situation.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 17:54
Let's try a different approach here. Ben, remember when you were being repeatedly picked on at school? The bullies were constantly teasing you and despite your constant complaints, the school was lax about doing anything? Now look at it this way: You're the old man and that young kid with the sausage is the bullies at school. Don't try and find a way to dodge or avoid this question, I want you to put yourself in that man's shoes and think for a second: if that was you, wouldn't you want the kid to be punished especially after hearing that he's been let go twice before? Law enforcement isn't solely about catching terrorists, it's about enforcing all codes and laws. They were doing their job. You can argue that they are wasting their time but try and think about other people and how they may feel in such a situation.Yes, I would want something to be done about it.
But I am annoyed that something is done about this but not our more serious crimes.

And with school, it's different, dealing with bullying is (or should at least) be one of their priorities as it's a serious issue.

tomblover
23-08-07, 18:01
:hea: Are those guys idiotic?

Hilarious, though. :vlol:

CAISACO
23-08-07, 18:02
A 12-year-old boy was charged with assault and taken before the courts - for throwing a cocktail sausage. The boy was accused of throwing the pork snack at a 74-year-old man in Woodhouse Park, south Manchester.
He denied the charge in a hearing at a Manchester Youth Court, where the judge questioned the decision to prosecute.
Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) are now reviewing the case, which the boy's mother described as an "utter joke".
She told the BBC: "They came to arrest him in my house, they took him into a police van. They took him to Elizabeth Slinger [police station], put him in a cell, took his photographs, his fingerprints, then interviewed him.


Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6958826.stm
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FFS, can this country get anymore ridiculous!? Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

This is pathetic.

:vlol: omg

Mr.Burns
23-08-07, 18:04
Yes, I would want something to be done about it.
But I am annoyed that something is done about this but not our more serious crimes.

And with school, it's different, dealing with bullying is (or should at least) be one of their priorities as it's a serious issue.


Do you seriously think that the local police have much control over terrorism?? Ben, think for a second, that's why your government has intelligence agencies, counter terrorism departments and the such. Do you think I would blame the local police here for not doing enough to stop terrorism when in reality, it's the CIA, FBI, NSA, Homeland Security, etc that are the ones doing the bulk of the search(or supposed to)? The local police deal with all sorts of crimes but locally they deal with what falls under their jursidiction. Assault, theft, rape, murder, etc and I should point out that this attack is assault which is what they attempt to hinder. If you have issues with the way the "war on terrorism" is going, go complain to your local MP.

As to the school, it's not their only priority, you only think that because you yourself have been a victim of bullying and as such, want to see a more harsh approach to avoid the pain and anger you endured. As such, that's the same thing from the old man's perspective, while I can't say this for fact, I'm sure he'd feel the same way about this kid as you do about bullies. Same thing, different circumstances. Bullying is a serious issue and one the schools should take more seriously but they have other concerns as well.

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 18:11
Do you seriously think that the local police have much control over terrorism?? Ben, think for a second, that's why your government has intelligence agencies, counter terrorism departments and the such. Do you think I would blame the local police here for not doing enough to stop terrorism when in reality, it's the CIA, FBI, NSA, Homeland Security, etc that are the ones doing the bulk of the search(or supposed to)? The local police deal with all sorts of crimes but locally they deal with what falls under their jursidiction. Assault, theft, rape, murder, etc and I should point out that this attack is assault which is what they attempt to hinder. If you have issues with the way the "war on terrorism" is going, go complain to your local MP.

As to the school, it's not their only priority, you only think that because you yourself have been a victim of bullying and as such, want to see a more harsh approach to avoid the pain and anger you endured. As such, that's the same thing from the old man's perspective, while I can't say this for fact, I'm sure he'd feel the same way about this kid as you do about bullies. Same thing, different circumstances. Bullying is a serious issue and one the schools should take more seriously but they have other concerns as well.Well, concerning terrorism, when I said serious crimes, I didn't mean terrorism. I meant things like pedophiles, rapists and murderers.

On the subject of bullying, it should be one of the schools top priorities, seen as we are their students. Also, in my school, if you are a good student, then you do one thing wrong and you're suspended. My friend was almost expelled for something very petty when he's a good student and hasn't got any previous incidents. It's funny because all the trouble making *******s at my school rarely get suspended.

Mr.Burns
23-08-07, 18:13
*shrugs* I'm done with this. :wve:

ajrich17901
23-08-07, 18:13
Im sorry but that 70 year old got beat by a sausage now thats HILARIOUS:jmp:

Vagabond
23-08-07, 18:43
A 12-year-old boy was charged with assault and taken before the courts - for throwing a cocktail sausage. The boy was accused of throwing the pork snack at a 74-year-old man in Woodhouse Park, south Manchester.
He denied the charge in a hearing at a Manchester Youth Court, where the judge questioned the decision to prosecute.
Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) are now reviewing the case, which the boy's mother described as an "utter joke".
She told the BBC: "They came to arrest him in my house, they took him into a police van. They took him to Elizabeth Slinger [police station], put him in a cell, took his photographs, his fingerprints, then interviewed him.


Full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6958826.stm
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FFS, can this country get anymore ridiculous!? Shouldn't those idiotic pigs be out arresting suicide bombers, because I seem to recall that the 7/7 bombers were under surveillance before the bombings but were not arrested before hand.

This is pathetic.

lol Mad Tony, it seems as if me and you are not destine to get along! the boy should be taken to court for this because it's assault, yes a very stupid kind but he needs to know he can not get away with doing that to an old man. There is just no respect for the older generation these days.

as for the 7/7 bombers (and i'm not defending them when i say this.) they could not be arrested because there was no factual evidence(that could be collected and presented to a court) to prove they were plotting to do what they did, unfortunately!

Mad Tony
23-08-07, 18:45
lol Mad Tony, it seems as if me and you are not destine to get along! the boy should be taken to court for this because it's assault, yes a very stupid kind but he needs to know he can not get away with doing that to an old man. There is just no respect for the older generation these days.

as for the 7/7 bombers (and i'm not defending them when i say this.) they could not be arrested because there was no factual evidence(that could be collected and presented to a court) to prove they were plotting to do what they did, unfortunately!Actually, there was enough evidence to take the bombers in from what I've read. ;)

Hey, are you accusing me of not respecting the elder generations? I never said what the kid did was ok but I think the police should focus on actually doing their job first before going on to the minor crime.

Jacob x5
23-08-07, 18:54
It's clear that he isn't guilty of this, but even if he was, who cares? He threw a sausage at an old person, which isn't very nice, but I bet things like that happen all the time. There's no need to lock him up, especially since it obviously wasn't deliberate. And he's just a kid.

:rolleyes:

Vagabond
23-08-07, 19:13
Actually, there was enough evidence to take the bombers in from what I've read. ;)

Hey, are you accusing me of not respecting the elder generations?

no, on his part not yours :)

Nord_the_raider
23-08-07, 19:32
Charge him, if the court let's this drop then kids who throw eggs will get off. Like that article said it's still anti-social behaviour.

AnthonyShock1515
23-08-07, 21:03
On the subject of bullying, it should be one of the schools top priorities, seen as we are their students. Also, in my school, if you are a good student, then you do one thing wrong and you're suspended. My friend was almost expelled for something very petty when he's a good student and hasn't got any previous incidents. It's funny because all the trouble making *******s at my school rarely get suspended.

OMG I know! It's so unfair! There was one time last year when I got excluded and on the verge of being expelled because I made a discussion site about my school and the teachers. Yet there are bad people in my school, who once pushed this large girl in my year down the stairs and she banged her head. The teachers knew yet he was only put in isolation for 4 days.

The way my school organizes it's council is unfair. 2 people from each form are nominated then all 18 are then voted for. But people always vote for the chavs who are absoloutly stupid, don't have a clue and who don't take it seriously.

Because we will expect to see the teachers wearing clown outfits. (That was actually a suggestion they put forward!):p

ThomasCroft
23-08-07, 21:11
The way my school organizes it's council is unfair. 2 people from each form are nominated then all 18 are then voted for. But people always vote for the chavs who are absoloutly stupid, don't have a clue and who don't take it seriously.

Because we will expect to see the teachers wearing clown outfits. (That was actually a suggestion they put forward!):p

HA! I know! I wasn't voted for because apparently I'm a "neek". :rolleyes: *Surprise, surprise*

However, I boycotted the school council and said that the council's purpose is to "improve the school", and if the school thought that creating a graffiti wall would be a positive contribution to this aim then I was going to complain to the governors of the school lol! I was really angry! Anyhow, it turns out that now I have been elected by teachers as head of the school council, and I've sacked everyone I deemed "inappropriate". Lol! :vlol: I'm such a nerd.

*Off Topic! :o*

AnthonyShock1515
23-08-07, 22:43
Well, throwing a sausage is basically assault, it could have been a stone or anything, the object that was thrown is regardless. It could have been a stone, a doughnut or a refrigerator. It's really the fact that the kid was cheeky enough to throw something at the old man.

I know we don't hear like this in the news, perhaps it's because people brush stuff like this off them and don't report it. But in this case he obviously was hurt by it and felt the need to report it.

Unfortunately there will always people who want to hurt us but you can't really expect police to stop them all the time, sometimes we must protect ourselves. It's the same all over the world, nowhere is safe from danger.

Beanz
23-08-07, 23:00
Well, throwing a sausage is basically assault, it could have been a stone or anything, the object that was thrown is regardless. It could have been a stone, a doughnut or a refrigerator. It's really the fact that the kid was cheeky enough to throw something at the old man.

A plastic bag comes to mind :)