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larafan25 27-02-12 19:32

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Originally Posted by Phlip (Post 6003725)
To ask such an inactive community questions is just deluded, though, as I say they need perspective.

I personally think any community involvement would prove more fruitful here, but I don't think they need perspective nor do I think they do all of their research there, which we know they do not.

Phlip 27-02-12 19:33

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Originally Posted by larafan25 (Post 6003740)
I personally think any community involvement would prove more fruitful here, but I don't think they need perspective nor do I think they do all of their research there, which we know they do not.

They're asking all their community questions on a forum that is barely active, when they could do it here, that's the bottom line.

Spong 27-02-12 19:41

I can see why the questionnaire is only over at the Eidos board, it's a clear attempt to get more people joining. But it's stupid not to at least duplicate it at other boards as well, especially ones that are clearly more popular.

Driber 27-02-12 19:42

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Originally Posted by larafan25 (Post 6003721)
Mmm no it's not.

They don't do all of their research there.

Yes, this is correct. It is public knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Phlip (Post 6003725)
To ask such an inactive community questions is just deluded, though, as I say they need perspective.

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Originally Posted by Phlip (Post 6003744)
They're asking all their community questions on a forum that is barely active, when they could do it here, that's the bottom line.

All major things are communicated through the official blog, twitter and Facebook account.

Nothing is stopping anyone (well, except perhaps yourself) from getting involved there and contributing some constructive perspective.

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Originally Posted by Mikky (Post 6003718)
How is the relevant to the subject? 0_o

Trying to understand why they would be so unnecessarily negative right off the bat.

Spong 27-02-12 19:49

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6003771)
Nothing is stopping anyone from getting involved there and contributing some constructive perspective.

As much as nothing is stopping Eidos from going where the people are already at (as well).

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6003771)
Trying to understand why they would be so unessential negative right off the bat.

Negative? What I stated was something I found mildly amusing, nothing more.
But if you want to chew over the finer points feel free to PM me so we don't derail this thread. I'm happy to chat to you about it, you were always more approachable than your predecessors.

Driber 27-02-12 20:24

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6003793)
As much as nothing is stopping Eidos from going where the people are already at (as well).

Perhaps, but I chose to do it there, for they are the official forums, after all. Plus, having one place to manage everything just makes more sense for me personally.

As for your earlier remark of "it's a clear attempt to get more people joining" - I am indeed working on getting the official forums back on the map. They have been neglected for some time and I intend to change that with initiatives like these. Nothing secretive about it, though; I've very up front about that right from the start.

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6003793)
Negative? What I stated was something I found mildly amusing, nothing more.
But if you want to chew over the finer points feel free to PM me so we don't derail this thread. I'm happy to chat to you about it, you were always more approachable than your predecessors.

I didn't know one can "derail" an OT thread :D

Seriously, though, I'll happily take this into PM if that is what is desired. I may not respond for some days sometimes, due to my busy schedule, but I always do :)

Spong 27-02-12 20:39

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6003916)
Perhaps, but I chose to do it there, for they are the official forums, after all. Plus, having one place to manage everything just makes more sense for me personally.

I didn't realise that was a decision for you to make. I'd have thought decisions about Q&As like that and where they're hosted came from the higher echelons at Eidos. Obviously it gets posted on the official board, that goes without saying, but I figured that Eidos the company would at least see sense in giving people the choice. More choice will see more feedback. And take people like Phlip & I for example. For our past transgressions (things that happened years ago when the board was under another administration) we can't go to the Eidos board and ask a question.

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6003916)
As for your earlier remark of "it's a clear attempt to get more people joining" - I am indeed working on getting the official forums back on the map. They have been neglected for some time and I intend to change that with initiatives like these. Nothing secretive about it, though; I've very up front about that right from the start.

I didn't imply that there was anything secretive or furtive about it, it's common practice to pull those kinds of stunts to drum up hits/memberships/interest. But, in saying that, when was the last time this place hosted any such 'attraction'? And yet it's a whole lot more active than the TR board at Eidos has been.

Good luck with whatever your plans are though, I hope they pan out. It all amounts to more interest in the series and that's what counts.

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6003916)
I didn't know one can "derail" an OT thread :D

LOL, yeah sorry, that's my bad. I thought this was another thread when I posted that and not the TR9GC thread :p

Driber 27-02-12 21:50

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6003945)
I didn't realise that was a decision for you to make. I'd have thought decisions about Q&As like that and where they're hosted came from the higher echelons at Eidos.

Ah, slight confusion there, I see. I was referring to the initiatives in which I am involved, such as the Q&A sessions. I meant to say that I myself could've posted here, too (as I could have on many other fan forums as well) but I believe the official forum is the right place to hold official dev Q&A sessions.

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6003945)
But, in saying that, when was the last time this place hosted any such 'attraction'?

I don't visit here all that much, but I have seen it here, too. Not that it's a bad thing, though; the nature of all forums is to create, maintain and build a strong community :)

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6003945)
It all amounts to more interest in the series and that's what counts.

This is something we definitely agree on :tmb:

Spong 27-02-12 23:05

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6004054)
Ah, slight confusion there, I see. I was referring to the initiatives in which I am involved, such as the Q&A sessions. I meant to say that I myself could've posted here, too (as I could have on many other fan forums as well) but I believe the official forum is the right place to hold official dev Q&A sessions.

So then the decision is yours over whether or not questions for such Q&A sessions can be submitted here or elsewhere? Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
It's only right that the official site hosts official dev Q&As, but I still think it makes more sense to offer a choice as well. My apologies if I'm wrong in this assumption, but so far as I know you're just the Admin at the Eidos board, why would it be on your shoulders to circulate the info and collate questions if they were submitted elsewhere? Surely that's Meagan's job as Crystal's Community Manager (seeing as it's Crystal who the questions would be fired at)? But regardless of who's responsibility it actually is, the logic still stands that more choice gives the opportunity for more feedback, more communication and a wider interest.

So, what about a compromise? Why not allow people to submit questions from wherever, but host the answers at the Eidos board? You dodged a bullet before by avoiding what I said about Phlip & I (which is fair enough, you don't want to get involved in past messes you weren't involved in), but a compromise like this would render that particular problem completely irrelevant. As for the answers being hosted at the Eidos board alone, well, the results would be posted here within minutes of them appearing, such is the rabid vigilance & diligence of the members at TRF.

Personally, I think having the Q&A (or anything like that) hosted wholesale at the Eidos board alone is somewhat short-sighted and, in certain cases, a little unfair. That's meant as no offence to you as Admin at the Eidos board, but I'd simply be lying if I said anything else.

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6004054)
I don't visit here all that much, but I have seen it here, too.

I genuinely cannot recall the last time this board hosted any such 'event' in order to generate interest and attract new registrations, unless you count the 'Friday Goodness' threads that used to appear, but God knows how long it's been since we had one of those here.

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 03:19

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Originally Posted by Lukass (Post 6003694)
What is Driber doing here? :eek:

:vlol:

Why you are laughing? He is a guy from Czech Republic too. :)

Wow, Dribber has 10 posts on TRF and he is here for 11 years.
Posts Per Day: 0.00
Posts Per Year: 0.10
:p

Mikky 28-02-12 03:23

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6004648)
Why you are laughing? He is a guy from Czech Republic too. :)

Wow, Dribber has 10 posts on TRF and he is here for 11 years.
Posts Per Day: 0.00
Posts Per Year: 0.10
:p

He's probably a "lurker" (someone who just visits the forum and doesn't post) but registered just in case he wanted to post something. :p

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 03:25

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Originally Posted by Mikky (Post 6004652)
He's probably a "lurker" (someone who just visits the forum and doesn't post) but registered just in case he wanted to post something. :p

Yeah that's true. Just found out his first post is at 11-11-11, that is some day to post his first post on TRF, and after 10 years and 7 months since he joined. :p:p

Stevo505 28-02-12 03:27

Isn't that the guy who is a mod on the official Eidos forums?

Mikky 28-02-12 03:30

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Originally Posted by Stevo505 (Post 6004661)
Isn't that the guy who is a mod on the official Eidos forums?

Yep, that's him.

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 03:30

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Originally Posted by stevo505 (Post 6004661)
isn't that the guy who is a mod on the official eidos forums?

Yes. :)

Stevo505 28-02-12 03:30

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Originally Posted by Mikky (Post 6004668)
Yep, that's him.

He has thousands of posts over there. He just probably hates it here because he's not a mod :vlol:

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 03:32

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Originally Posted by Stevo505 (Post 6004670)
He has thousands of posts over there. He just probably hates it here because he's not a mod :vlol:

I think he hate/envy this place because there aren't enough people on official board. :p

Stevo505 28-02-12 03:38

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6004674)
I think he hate/envy this place because there aren't enough people on official board. :p

Yeah probably. It's really boring over there...

Driber 28-02-12 09:19

Actually, it's those kinds of comments that would discourage me from posting here.

For the record, I am a member in many unofficial fan forums, both with and without moderator/admin capabilities. The determining factor of me posting somewhere depends on the atmosphere of a community. If it's overall negative, I leave. If it's overall positive, I stick around. Simple.

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6004655)
Yeah that's true. Just found out his first post is at 11-11-11, that is some day to post his first post on TRF, and after 10 years and 7 months since he joined. :p:p

Didn't realize it was 11-11-11, haha. That's indeed some nice date to have my "first" post in here!

(I use quotation marks because I actually did post in here already in the past, but under a different account. Only recently I discovered (after fellow mod Titak pointing out a TRF thread to me) that I actually had made my usual "Driber" account here aeons ago, which I completely forgot about. I couldn't log in anymore as I didn't remember my password after 10 years :p and also because the email address I used to sign up here was long gone. I contacted Justin to recover my lost account, and so here I am, appearing to be a new member, hehe)

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@Spong: I see you're still confused about what I meant RE who's decision it is of what to post where. Better take this convo into PM after all; I don't think a public board is the place to be discussing into great detail about the roles of admins, Eidos, CD, Meagan, etc.

For the record, though; everyone (except banned members, but that is not really my fault) are welcome to get their questions in the Q&A sessions on the official forum if they have burning questions which they would like to see answered :)

It's not a questionnaire, though, as was speculated earlier. Just an initiative coming from Meagan and myself for fans to get in touch with the devs, which we happen to be facilitating on the official forums, as that is the proper place for it in my opinion.

If people don't like the Q&A sessions or people have something against the official forums, they don't have to participate. I believe the vast majority of fans are happy that they get a chance like this, though. After all, CD is under no obligation to do this in the first place. And from experience I can say that not many game studios go this extra mile.

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On a final (general) note; I am sensing a lot of bad blood between this and the official forum. I don't know into detail what exactly happened in the past, nor am I interested in carrying on old grudges which I have not been involved in, in the first place. I'll be happy to lend a listening ear to grievances of any member of any forum, but in private.

scremanie 28-02-12 09:29

^I love you.

Spong 28-02-12 10:08

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Originally Posted by Driber (Post 6004843)
@Spong: I see you're still confused about what I meant RE who's decision it is of what to post where. Better take this convo into PM after all; I don't think a public board is the place to be discussing into great detail about the roles of admins, Eidos, CD, Meagan, etc.

Feel free to get in touch when you can via PM, if only to explain how the reasoning you've given me so far is better than the logic I stated :)

brand.seph 28-02-12 11:07

That moment when you though you saw

Tomb Raider (121 Viewing)

But you actually saw

Tomb Raider (12 Viewing)



I thought there'd be news by today. xD

klona 28-02-12 11:12

^ :vlol:
I heard Q&A Session #2 is open now.
It said that on Facebook.

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Tomb Raider
The call for questions is open over on the official Tomb Raider forums! If you’ve been wanting to ask something special, here’s your chance. We’ll answer this set of inquiries mid-March.
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=124779

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 11:25

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Originally Posted by klona (Post 6004891)
^ :vlol:
I heard Q&A Session #2 is open now.
It said that on Facebook.

It was posted here on TRF within 10 minutes this was posted on FB page. :p

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 14:35

Sorry to double post but posted it to know we are getting a new Tomb Raider website this week as Karl said it on his twitter few hours ago-

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On a more positive note, the new and improved, kick ass, mofo, @ThisMoment powered @tombraider website's being delivered this week. Hell ye!
:jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp: :yah: :yah: :yah:

Lukass 28-02-12 14:36

I'm not excited yet. I'll wait and see...then I'll be (maybe) excited.

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 14:38

I think it will have the extended "Turning Point" trailer and a release date. :D

brand.seph 28-02-12 14:40

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6005055)
Sorry to double post but posted it to know we are getting a new Tomb Raider website this week as Karl said it on his twitter few hours ago-



:jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp::jmp: :yah: :yah: :yah:

New website means new info, right?

Lukass 28-02-12 14:44

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6005060)
I think it will have the extended "Turning Point" trailer and a release date. :D

There is NO extended trailer.

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Originally Posted by brand.seph (Post 6005063)
New website means new info, right?

New website clearly means new website.

Spong 28-02-12 14:46

^Booo and hisss :p

Phlip 28-02-12 15:04

I wonder if they'll ever make an official dedicated www.tombraider.com/forums instead of just using Eidos Forums.

princebenidere 28-02-12 15:18

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Originally Posted by Spong (Post 6005071)
^Booo and hisss :p

its amazing how you do this things and i expect this to happen

whenever TRFers behave like ( OMG!! oh yes Yaaaaay!! i cant Wait) in an overacting way
you came just in time to neutralize them

lol

TRF is incomplete without you

I salute

larafan25 28-02-12 15:24

This week.

Damn, I'm ready.

You know what goes good with the end of March and the end of some people's fiscal year? Not a gameplay trailer. noo. silly.

Spong 28-02-12 15:31

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Originally Posted by Phlip (Post 6005097)
I wonder if they'll ever make an official dedicated www.tombraider.com/forums instead of just using Eidos Forums.

I doubt Eidos would do that, they probably want to keep all their eggs in one basket I guess, which I feel is detrimental to the individual game boards they have over at their forum. But most publishers do that, it's easier for them to keep a lid on it all.

I've always wondered how it works though when it comes to people searching for specific game forums. If someone Googles a game looking for a forum, logically they use the game's name and not the publisher. Sure, the publisher's board will be in the search, but dedicated sites (if there are any and they're not stupidly named) will most likely appear above them.

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Originally Posted by princebenidere (Post 6005110)
its amazing how you do this things and i expect this to happen

whenever TRFers behave like ( OMG!! oh yes Yaaaaay!! i cant Wait) in an overacting way
you came just in time to neutralize them

lol

TRF is incomplete without you

I salute

:D

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Originally Posted by larafan25 (Post 6005112)
You know what goes good with the end of March and the end of some people's fiscal year? Not a gameplay trailer. noo. silly.

What then? A tax return form? :confused:

larafan25 28-02-12 15:33

^Perhaps.

A ****ING NEW BATCH OF SCREENSHOTS PLEASE.

OH GOD.

I've made it this far CEE DEE, can't you see!?! D:

Lukass 28-02-12 15:56

****, I hope for some new render or something! Please!!!

larafan25 28-02-12 15:59

By later this week they mean Sunday, the begining of next week, who doubts!? bring iit. D:

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 16:07

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Originally Posted by brand.seph (Post 6005063)
New website means new info, right?

Hey Twitter buddy. :wve: It could be, who knows. We can at least hope. :D

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Originally Posted by Lukass (Post 6005068)
There is NO extended trailer.

There will be an extended trailer of 4 minutes and 8 seconds. :)

larafan25 28-02-12 16:09

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Originally Posted by lcroft_lc (Post 6005150)
Hey Twitter buddy. :wve: It could be, who knows. We can at least hope. :D



There will be an extended trailer of 4 minutes and 8 seconds. :)

It's just raw footage though, it's not actually any cut scenes, just seconds shaved off of camera angles.

lcroft_lc 28-02-12 16:13

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Originally Posted by larafan25 (Post 6005155)
It's just raw footage though, it's not actually any cut scenes, just seconds shaved off of camera angles.

I was talking about "Turning Point" trailer.


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