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motoleo 05-05-12 00:36

Yup. She better look so good, she looks brand spanking new. Everyone's first response should be, "Oh, wow, she doesn't look like the old one at all!"

Even though it's the same one. For some reason, I imagine her going through the entire game holding her side.

leglion 05-05-12 00:38

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150090]Yup. She better look so good, she looks brand spanking new. Everyone's first response should be, "Oh, wow, she doesn't look like the old one at all!"

Even though it's the same one. For some reason, I imagine her going through the entire game holding her side.[/QUOTE]

She's supposed to mature by the end of the game(though not fully because no human is perfect) so she should learn to avoid such injuries or learn to deal with them better.

just*raidin*tomb 05-05-12 00:53

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150090]Yup. She better look so good, she looks brand spanking new. Everyone's first response should be, "Oh, wow, she doesn't look like the old one at all!"

Even though it's the same one. For some reason, I imagine her going through the entire game holding her side.[/QUOTE]

I want her to look the same...she looks perfect the she is. :/ Why do you want a new model?

Why would she hold her side through the entire game?

ehhh

motoleo 05-05-12 01:02

The computer generated Lara looks perfect because it's a finished product. We've yet to get a png of the in-game model. But I can't distinguish a similarity between the two.
[LIST][*]There looks to be an age difference[*]The length of her hair looks like it keeps changing[/LIST]
She doesn't give you that feeling that you can't put your finger on?

just*raidin*tomb 05-05-12 01:03

They look exactly the same. >_>

In fact I'd say the in game to CG model comparison is closer in this game than any other TR game.

Also hair is very dynamic...it doesn't stay one shape and therefore probably appears to change length.

motoleo 05-05-12 01:04

At some angles... I was working in photo shop and I put the in-game face on the CGI body and I'm like... ??? It didn't work.

I'll do my real comparison with the finished in game model. It's a work in progress. :p

Lukass 05-05-12 01:25

Agree with just*raidin*tomb. They look the same.

@motoleo what do you mean her hair length keeps changing? In the demo? lolno.

You can see here her ponytail was pretty long first...

[IMG]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5320/6997531892_52428ab44d_n.jpg[/IMG]

but then they've changed it and made it shorter...

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7254/6997532098_93549e438b_m.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7049/6997543376_ab49dd69dd_m.jpg[/IMG]

The shorter ponytail is from the second wave of screenshots which were taken after some polishing and that's what we saw in the E3 demo.

Here's an evidence we've got screenshots from different stages of development.
Take a look at the textures and details (no letters on the strap, texture of her shirt, etc.)

Before (long ponytail)

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7226/6997532154_2546868218.jpg[/IMG]

After (short)

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7084/6997532188_e5821138f9_m.jpg[/IMG]

larafan25 05-05-12 01:30

I still don't buy that they're different models.

Lukass 05-05-12 01:31

Huh?

larafan25 05-05-12 01:32

I don't think the hair is a different length and I don't think the screenshots are from separate builds of the game.

Lukass 05-05-12 01:33

Are you blind?

larafan25 05-05-12 01:34

[QUOTE=Lukass;6150169]Are you blind?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I've made it 3 years arguing with you guys about Lara's looks, and I'm blind.

leglion 05-05-12 01:35

^What?
[QUOTE=Lukass;6150169]Are you blind?[/QUOTE]

Yah. Lara in some of the screenshots looked asian in comparison to the one we got in the demo.

larafan25 05-05-12 01:37

[QUOTE=leglion;6150175]^What?


Yah. Lara in some of the screenshots looked asian in comparison to the one we got in the demo.[/QUOTE]

Eye'm not actually blind, I was being sarcastic.

____________________________________________

Obviously Lara's model evolves through the game and there are details on her which have changed, but I don't think the length of Lara's hair has changed and I don't think the low quality textures were the result of another earlier build, don't textures load? I've played games where textures look like poop one moment and then load into their true details...

leglion 05-05-12 01:40

[QUOTE=larafan25;6150179]Eye'm not actually blind, I was being sarcastic.

____________________________________________

Obviously Lara's model evolves through the game and there are details on her which have changed, but I don't think the length of Lara's hair has changed and I don't think the low quality textures were the result of another earlier build, don't textures load? I've played games where textures look like poop one moment and then load into their true details...[/QUOTE]

What games have you been playing?

lcroft_lc 05-05-12 01:41

Current time:
May 4, 6:40PM PDT.
Same time in June 4, we will see the new TR footage. :D

Lukass 05-05-12 01:41

Seriously, is this...

[IMG]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5320/6997531892_52428ab44d_n.jpg[/IMG]

and this...

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7049/6997543376_ab49dd69dd_m.jpg[/IMG]

the same length? :confused:

And this...looks those fingers the same to you?

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7222/7143656427_8028a151be.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7143656463_415d47f567.jpg[/IMG]

Plus the shots of the strap and the texture of her shirt I posted before...it's obvious, really.

larafan25 05-05-12 01:43

I don't think so.

I think perhaps her hair has some more transparency in the other demo. However I don't think there are separate screenshot builds of the scavenger den. Besides, in the two shots you posted of Lara's hair and then chest, her hair seems the same length to me in both of those shots (you just can't see it in the cropped out shot).

leglion 05-05-12 01:43

I'd imagine her shirt texture would change though.

Lukass 05-05-12 01:46

[QUOTE=larafan25;6150189]I don't think so.

I think perhaps her hair has some more transparency in the other demo. However I don't think there are separate screenshot builds of the scavenger den. Besides, in the two shots you posted of Lara's hair and then chest, her hair seems the same length to me in both of those shots (you just can't see it in the cropped out shot).[/QUOTE]

I've just checked it and yeah, her hair looks the same length. How weird then...:/ What about the fingers?

motoleo 05-05-12 01:47

I agree with Lukass. I've never been certain on the length and style of her hair- it's all over the place. Just would have been easier to do a TR1 ponytail. Put it in a bob! Lol.

Seriously though, the model does look ... odd. Is it because of her new body? What were her numbers 36-22-34 or something?

Now they look pretty much 30-30-30 if you know what I mean...

larafan25 05-05-12 01:47

[QUOTE=Lukass;6150191]I've just checked it and yeah, her hair looks the same length. How weird then...:/ What about the fingers?[/QUOTE]

Lara has about 6 fingers in one frame of the leaked demo, and 5 in the rest...

I just think that they're quirks.

If the texture inconsistency is a loading issue (not problem but issue) then I think perhaps that's why in one shot of the night hub her hair looks like it has no transparency, and does in another.

Lukass 05-05-12 01:48

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150193]I agree with Lukas's. I've never been certain on the length and style of her hair- it's all over the place. Just would have been easier to do a TR1 ponytail. Pit it in a bob! Lol.

Seriously though, the model does look ... odd. Is it because of her new body? What were her numbers 36-22-34 or something?

Now they look pretty much 30-30-30 if you know what I mean...[/QUOTE]

The model looks perfect! Her proportions are realistic, her boobies are smaller. She's not caricature anymore.

leglion 05-05-12 01:49

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150193]I agree with Lukass. I've never been certain on the length and style of her hair- it's all over the place. Just would have been easier to do a TR1 ponytail. Put it in a bob! Lol.

Seriously though, the model does look ... odd. Is it because of her new body? What were her numbers 36-22-34 or something?

Now they look pretty much 30-30-30 if you know what I mean...[/QUOTE]

You find the most weirdest things to complain about...

No ugly bobs please.

larafan25 05-05-12 01:54

I really like this model actually.

I'm not sure how to put this, but she feels sort of complete.

Her look feels like it fits the game. I think a lot of people prefer a prettier uniform, but something about the length of her pants, boots, straps on her shirt, just small details seem just right to me.

Her outfit feels...iconic...but not in the way that an outfit would actually be iconic, as this is not iconic yet, but it feels like it has personality and is characterized.

motoleo 05-05-12 01:55

I like the outfit and everything, but changing the model's proportions is like driving a different car.

[QUOTE=Lukass;6150196]The model looks perfect! Her proportions are realistic, her boobies are smaller. She's not caricature anymore.[/QUOTE]

Dang. I can't embrace this Lara like I did the other one. Here way she climbs bugs me. She kind of just flops onto the nearest object.

larafan25 05-05-12 01:56

I believe her animations are going to change as we progress, she becomes less awkward.

Though I like this realistic climb up (not because it's realistic, it just pleases my eyes) , people naturally lift their leg like that (well weird inexperienced lazy people).

leglion 05-05-12 01:57

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150207]Dang. I can't embrace this Lara like I did the other one. Here way she climbs bugs me. She kind of just flops onto the climbable object.[/QUOTE]

What does that have to do with the Lara model? Anyway, that's how an amateur climber would do it.

Lukass 05-05-12 01:59

[QUOTE=larafan25;6150209]I believe her animations are going to change as we progress, she becomes less awkward.

Though I like this realistic climb up (not because it's realistic, it just pleases my eyes) , people naturally lift their leg like that (well weird inexperienced lazy people).[/QUOTE]

This! Her jumping and climbing animations are brilliant!

And yeah, who knows how her climbing and jumping animations will look further in the game when she become more experienced. It's been said that her animations will change during the game.

just*raidin*tomb 05-05-12 02:13

[QUOTE=larafan25;6150204]I really like this model actually.

I'm not sure how to put this, but she feels sort of complete.

Her look feels like it fits the game. I think a lot of people prefer a prettier uniform, but something about the length of her pants, boots, straps on her shirt, just small details seem just right to me.

Her outfit feels...iconic...but not in the way that an outfit would actually be iconic, as this is not iconic yet, but it feels like it has personality and is characterized.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

The only thing it needs is maybe a little more detail, but I would still be okay if not even that happened. It is perfect and so are her proportions. Leave her alone. T_T

Weemanply109 05-05-12 02:14

[QUOTE=leglion;6150184]What games have you been playing?[/QUOTE]

Actually, it's common. A lot of games that use Unreal Engine have this problem.

just*raidin*tomb 05-05-12 02:16

[QUOTE=Weemanply109;6150224]Actually, it's common. A lot of games that use Unreal Engine have this problem.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Uncharted and Assassins Creed games do it...in fact A LOT of games do it. :pi:

Weemanply109 05-05-12 02:17

[QUOTE=just*raidin*tomb;6150228]Yeah, Uncharted and Assassins Creed games do it...in fact A LOT of games do it. :pi:[/QUOTE]

RAGE had serious problems with it.

motoleo 05-05-12 02:30

It kind of feels like they're making her frightened on purpose when her evolution should just be natural, instead of, you know, predictable. I wonder how they're calculating how she moves, do they take inspriration from real people.

So did they do this with motion capture?

larafan25 05-05-12 02:31

[QUOTE=motoleo;6150255]It kind of feels like they're making her frightened on purpose when her evolution should just be natural, you know, predictable. I wonder how they're calculating how she moves, do they take inspriration from real people.

So did they do this with motion capture?[/QUOTE]

The cutscenes are motion capture, not the in game movements though.

motoleo 05-05-12 02:37

[QUOTE=larafan25;6150257]The cutscenes are motion capture, not the in game movements though.[/QUOTE]

Aha!

Phlip 05-05-12 07:18

I don't think her hair's shorter... at least I bliddy hope not. In ones where it looks shorter it could be flowing/blowing in the direction of the camera, with the bottom being tilted raising up so it appears shorter.

MyRaider4Life 05-05-12 08:01

[QUOTE=lcroft_lc;6150185]Current time:
May 4, 6:40PM PDT.
Same time in June 4, we will see the new TR footage. :D[/QUOTE]

How do you know? :confused:

slavo120 05-05-12 08:14

[QUOTE=MyRaider4Life;6150484]How do you know? :confused:[/QUOTE]
He assumes that Tomb Raider will be on MS E3 conference

Lukass 05-05-12 10:37

^ I can barely fathom what makes him think so.


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