Meeeee. It was one of my favourite combat moves from the game. I really love Lara's progression through combat, I feel like they did an outstanding job in that department. It's so cool how Lara slowly learns new moves to survive so that by the end she is pretty much the ultimate killing machine.

I wouldn't say the other 2 games didn't do this as well, but it just feels really special in TR2013 for some reason.

Alice by Avril Lavigne?

Yep, that skill was cool!
But I think that removing it was a good idea, you can tell that Lara has really improved her combat skills and now she is a much more letal killer with more "sophisticated" methods :D

Throwing some good old dirt will always be a classic though :D

Yep, it will always be :D
Not as iconic as the duals in the ending, though!
I still can't believe that after that huge tease, they didn't let us use duals in Rise and Shadow...

https://youtu.be/TBYhyZ0WSXQ here she talks more about Steph

Agreed, I am really grateful for the Scales of the Serpent skill, it's very useful for when AI spots me during stealth :pi: :vlol:

It's a shame that Steph was cut from the final game, it would have made the cave sequence much scarier and more emotional at the same time.

Ikr, and it was supposed to be a prologue on Endurance were we meet her and the others.

Why in the world would they cut character development from the game. I would've cared about them a lot more.

:ton:

I've been thinking of everything
I used to want to be

I'm in the middle of nothing
And it's where I want to be
Why at the bottom of everything
I finally start to believe

And I swear to God
I'll find myself
In the end

Do you think the story would be even better if Lara was the only survivor at the end of the game?

I remember playing for the game for the first time and thinking the game would end like that once they killed off Alex.

Yes. And if she kept the pistols at the end for Rise and Shadow. That's the only thing I'd change about this trilogy

I always thought that at least Sam should've died for sure, but everyone else too...? Sounds interesting, to be honest.
These sentences would also sound better from Lara's last journal entry after the end: "This island has taken everything from me. I'm going to make sure I take as much in return. All its secrets. It owes me that."
The "everything" would be really everything.

I can't help but imagining Rise's beginning part. Lara is climbing the mountain alone, but sometimes she would see Roth next to her, also climbing. Just like how they used to in the past. He would be like a ghostly figure visually, but actually there's no ghost there. It's like an entity was born from grief and remorse. Or just Lara's imagination. Anyhow, after a few words he just disappears.
Everyone else could pop up like this throughout the game, one by one. But of course by the end of the story they would be gone forever, since Lara slowly learns how to let them go, and how to cope with things alone. Or something like that.

A little bit dark, I have to admit. :whi: But I associate reboot Lara with dark themes, that's just how it is.

such a sick edit, nice work :)

TR2013 has an undefinable adrenaline rush the other two can't match.

It was definitely the most exciting story. Whenever I replay it, I usually end up breezing through it within 2 or 3 days. It makes it hard for you to put the controller down.

This. And I feel like it has to do with the fact that TR2013 was a horror game and the other two were not. TR2013 did a very good job of making you feel like every single thing on the island was plotting against you, and that even the island itself was a living breathing entity. It created a tension where you never knew what was going to come at you next and you genuinely feared for Lara and her comrades.

In comparison, the final two games were toned down dramatically. They all but did away with the horror aspect and listened too much to the “torture porn” and violence whiners to the point where SOTTR had barely any gunfights. TR2013 was brilliant because they did what they wanted. The final two games suffered because they worried too much about what everyone else thought. And that, is what will probably kill any future reboots too.

This is the focal point of the reboot IMHO.
In this game, You could breathe the freedom that was given to the team.
ROTTR and SOTTR, despite some improvements, felt very weak.
If they didn't worry too much about what people thought it would be better

The first few minutes alone were excitingly tense. Because you start the game tied up, and have to break free, and the entire time you're hearing someone grumbling in the background till finally he catches your leg. Then once you break free, he's yelling at you to come back. And even after you rid yourself of him, you have to escape a collapsing tomb. All within the first 10-15 minutes. Talk about intense. The closest the series came to that was those hisses in the Cenote in SOTTR. But even those don't quite live up to that raw atmosphere shown in the beginning of TR2013.

Yeah but this feeling is not over untill the game ends, and that is awesome

TR2013 is not a horror game.

I think we are not saying it is an horror game: this is a simplification.
It is a game with a strong dark tone that had got lost in following games.
For me it was fantastic as it was a wonderful setting for the development of the character of reboot Lara.
All that was happening to her was developing the character.

Edit: wrong topic!

100.
TR2013 was raw, the creative freedom shouted, the other two beacon the same freedom as Tr2013. I’m not sure how SOTTR did in sales so far, but TR2013 dominated it.

Well, it was a creative risk that Shadow (almost) abandoned combat for puzzles. I'm grateful for that. :tmb:

Yeah but only that.
on the storytelling TR2013 was much better IMHO

I think you're being a little too literal here. Yes it's not horror in the sense that there aren't zombies and such. It's no Silent Hill or Resident Evil.

But the game took inspirations from some horror movies, The Descent being one of the more clearer references (it even pays homage to one of the movie scenes). And originally, the game was meant to have far more horror elements as shown in Ascension. There's definite horror influences in the game, and to flatly say it's not a horror game is an oversimplification (just like it can be argued that I did the same by calling it horror). There are very clear 'horror' elements in this game that did not exist in the sequels.

^Yes, I loved that "dark" atmosphere;
In Shadow there were a couple of moments that could have felt like that, but the complete lack of blood ruined them...

Just read a thread in the Shadow category that they are bringing out a patch to fix the missing blood issue :)

But still the problem remains: TR2013 had an atmosphere that was not the same in following episodes.
A couple of moments could not be the same as what you could feel during the whole game

I don't understand, do some fans want the patch or is EM working on it?
I mean, is it real or is it just something fans would like?

Well, TR'13 atmosphere was singular and quite done right but not really for my taste. Too much depressing weather and grey colors. I prefer Shadow contrast between bright moments and horror ones, reminds of Legend who wasn't afraid to give both light and dark moments

was perfect to describe what was happening to the reboot Lara, and how she react to it. In a way, it seems the perfect description to what would leave a big DSPT on her

As far as I could tell it's a real and official patch from E.M. But I cant guarantee that though, I'll look a little deeper into this :)

This game had many iconic moments to be honest. There were so many moments of growth in this game. I could easily see her becoming the badass Lara Croft we all love.

I actually forgot about the kiss she gave one of her friends when she had to leave him behind. It reminded me of the hug Classic Lara gave Jean when she found him in the Citidel.

Easter Egg?
 

Hey everyone! I'm new to the Tomb Raider series, and I just finished playing Crystal Dynamics's reboot game and I really enjoyed it!

There's been a mystery though that's been bugging me. I've done some research on it but I can't yield any results. At the end of the credits, there's a little message under "Recognition" that reads:

John Lucien Fournier Sr., 'Did you try shooting the window?' We love you Dad; -Dustin & Johnny

I'm really curious about what this means. Is this some sort of inside joke or an easter egg? I tried messaging some of the developers on it but I didn't hear back from any of them (obviously). In fact, there's only one guy named Dustin in the entire team.

I do wonder if there's some kind of easter egg hidden in the game that would be unlocked by shooting a window. Granted, this game has been out for five years, I feel like every single window would've been shot by now :P .

If any of you guys know what this means, let me know!

Welcome. Cool that you been introduced to the series in a new way. I’d recommend all of the other tr titles if you get the chance. :)

As for the quote, it was a reference to older tr games where you can break certain windows. It’s a cute little joke.