Yeah, but the intro as a whole up to when she gets out of the den is just a fantastic way to start off a game, and all the music fits in perfectly. Kudos to CD.

but why would i join them if i already paid? do you want to see the receipt?

Because you would have used an illegal download and supported piracy. Is that uber-complicated to comprehend?

well i dont know much about piracy, all i know is thar its downloading products for free. i didnt know that downloading stuff you paid for is piracy, even if a week away

If you paid for it in Steam, you're supposed to download it thorugh Steam. If you prepaid it in some store, you're supposed to come in time and take it from their shelf. Not downloading god knows what from some iffy site... and week before the official release date.

IMO that was pretty obvious always.

From game.co.uk . and i ber it will be march tenth till i get my code. i bouht the download one, so taking it ofc a shelf will be really hard

Let's say you went car shopping and decided to buy a car from a dealership. You pay that dealership money for the car and they say that the car will be delivered in a week. With your logic, because you already paid for a car and you want to drive a car around now, it's okay to steal someone else's car to drive around in until your car arrives.

I still can't see what the big problem is. I don't condemn piracy, after all, videogames are super expensive and if we were always paying for everything they want us to pay, we woulnd't have any money left... I mean, lots of people are going to play the game before us anyway, but still I don't think they're THat many downloading/playing it already. Let them play, who cares, it's no harm for us, we'll have a pretty little box and a great game soon anyway ;)

That's a pretty bad comparison, actually.

I always hoped Lara was an atheist, but she's talked about God before so I always thought she is listed as a Christian but doesn't really care :p !

Why D: ?

I'd say Core Lara was an atheist and movie/Legend Lara either that or possibly a buddhist :p.

but if you already are at the dealership,and you paid for the car, why wouldnt you just drive it home? and game has the files ready, they should give us the game and send the code individually. that is not piracy, or is it?

Still, there is a difference between someone who will just download the game from torrent and never pay for, it and someone who has already paid for it but get it sooner that he should. That's also pretty obvious imo. :)

It's not great, but it's not that far from what he's saying. He's trying to excuse theft by saying that he's paid for the product already.

There's no direct harm to us, but it definitely harms the publishers and developers who made the game. If they don't make money off of the game, then they stop making the game, and where does that leave the rest of us?

It just cut the very first part where she falls into the water and then probably cuts after she slips from Roths hands into the sea. Only so it acts as an introduction to why Lara is on an island.

But in his case it would be a victimless crime because he HAS paid for it. I get that it's legally wrong but I don't think it's morally wrong to download a game that you've preordered before release. The game having leaked at all certainly is wrong, though.

At least he has bought it not like the majority of pirates who, when they download things, never have any intention of giving a penny anyway. Yes, it's still wrong and illegal but in the grand scheme of things if you're gonna be pirated you'd rather it be by someone like him.

She could be a Christian and not be at the same time :p !

For example, in the case of Orthodox Christianity, which is the dominant religion in Greece, most Greeks will always say they're Christians if they are asked and wear crusifixes and all (just as jewelry and nothing more by the way :p ! ) but if you ask them they are propably NOT going to the church every Sunday, NOT praying and NOT doing the usual crap Christians are expected to do. We even have swear words which are "connected" with religion :vlol: !

So I just thought that she was a faux Christian all along :p !

Yeah, if you want to find an excuse, anything goes. Good luck with that principle :tmb:

He is still supporting the leakers by downloading the leak, so while square/cd haven't lost a sale, he's saying what the leakers did is okay.
Makes sense. It's not like they could use that last part where she already has the bow and the climbing axe at the very beginning of the game.

This. :tmb:

Not trying to find an excuse nor do I want to argue with you. I was just saying that I don't see some major crime or piracy (like you said) in getting the game earlier if I've already paid for it. :)

saw a couple YouTube walkthroughs.. my my the game looks even better! :D
I'm not really spoiling myself since I already played the up to the radio tower mission at Crystal Dynamics way back in December, but my god, I'm surprised to see so many people spamming Survival Instinct. :vlol:

On another note, I paid off my CE at GameStop and pre-ordered Bioshock Infinite... there are TR posters and cutouts everywhere...so many feels going on right now. So excited for next Tuesday!! ;_;

exactly my point. they dont lose a sale, not one, because i still have my order there. so there is no bictim. if i didn get the preorder i would think it wont be ok since its not fair to the developers and i wouldnt actually do it, i once bought an used version of legend which turned out to be a copy, and i found out here after using dxdiag. so that time i was paying and still got the thing i would have gotten for free.

You're missing the entire point. Even though you've paid for the game, you're still supporting piracy by downloading what pirates stole. Whether or not Square or CD lost a sale is not the point. The point is that someone stole the game from them and you're saying "that's alright" by downloading what they stole.

Honestly it's a confusing area IMO. Let's say you bought a physical copy of a game, broke the disc, but you have the serial key. You could download it and use your key, but that wouldn't be legal since it's not the copy you own. However with digital downloads you never own a thing anyway, you're getting a license to play the game. Look at iTunes: you are only buying a nontransferable license that allows you the right to listen to it. Let's say I preorder an album on iTunes. When the hell do I get the license? When I give money or on the release date? IDK but if it's the former I think someone can argue that they could download the album when it leaks (it's probably the latter though).

i do not support that fact. if i did i would just cancel my order and get my game free. its different. i knoa its wrong but still not as bad as just pirating the game.

for an example with cars... like getting a free drive before getting your car. if we got a demo i wouldn have this problem. and i didnt download anything, that was just me thinking aloud

I was just joking around. I can't believe you're actually seriously discussing it. :vlol:

There is a slight difference though; a demo is like taking the car for a test drive with a representive with you. Pirating is like driving off before they have a chance to get in the car with you but bringing it back anyway. Fair enough you didn't actually steal anything but your methods weren't the most reputable and people won't be happy with you.

You know me, just throw barely relevant stuff on the table and I'll jump in to discuss them :p ! Besides, my other option was discussing about how supporting leaked/pirated games was bad so my choice was pretty obvious before I even posted :p !

That's a good point, and a huge can of worms. I think it's a pretty safe guess that the ones who originally got a hold of the leaked copies of the game likely hadn't paid for it (if you were guaranteed to get the game, why risk possible prosecution just to play it a week earlier?). In that sense, what they've done can probably be clearly defined as theft since they never purchased the product/license/whatever. In that context, providing them support (such as downloading what they stole) can be called morally shady


You can excuse anything with enough rationalization, and you've got a lot going on here, so i guess there's no point in continuing this.

Anywayyyyy. Remember this....

http://www.somecovers.com/covers/pre...line_cover.jpg

I remember thinking no way does that have anything to do with TR :o

Only one or two persons have said they find the game disappointing after watching the streams. One person actually said he thought it was much better than he expected.

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I don't know, generally it seems kinda negative, but I never take anything they say under consideration
can't wait :jmp: pretty sure this game won't be boring ( this is the only thing I despise about AAA games, like AC for exp, such an amazing game but sooo boring sometimes )

Ah, the GI teaser. I like that render, it was never ever seen again after that though :/

Ah i remember this but i always had the feeling it had something to do with TR don't ask me why but i had that strange feeling and i told everyone at home that it was TOMB RAIDER's long awaited official announcement.

Well, the only positive thing this argument has gotten me is 97 posts. Now will be 98. I will be releasing that Lara papecraft i showed you on Valentine's day on March 5th, and yes i do plan on sharing a link here, which requires 100 posts. And i will be making a paper TReboot Lara as well, but you are going to have to wait

Tomorrow is going to be chaotic with all the reviews releasing ;___;

So it isn't just game master thats releasing a review? We know the score already for that aswell.

Well the embargo is being lifted tomorrow, so people will be about to post reviews as they please. Apparently, IGN's is tomorrow.