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lcroft_lc 14-01-14 19:44

Where is that pic from? :confused:

larafan25 14-01-14 19:45

Here:

[url]http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/22-840/Tomb-Raider-3[/url]

But I took it from the thread at the Eidos Forum.

Lukass 14-01-14 20:30

Nice pic....very nice.

Mikky 14-01-14 20:42

[QUOTE=ThatSassyKid;6979596]I still don't understand why there is a GOTY Edition when it didn't even win GOTY :confused:[/QUOTE]

It did win a GOTY award, though.

[QUOTE=larafan25;6979724]Here:

[url]http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/22-840/Tomb-Raider-3[/url]

But I took it from the thread at the Eidos Forum.[/QUOTE]

The description:

[Quote]Lara Croft is on the hunt for the strange force that is terrorizing the survivors of the Endurance crew! As ancient mythological creatures appear to wreak havoc on Lara, so too do the ghosts of her past![/quote]

Er... Interesting? So, Lara is seeing ghosts now? Ghosts? Seriously? What is going on? :/ Is it me or are the comics' plot just sounding dumber and dumber with these summaries? Lame, cliché excuse to bring back old characters, anyway. I am really looking forward to these comics, but so far I am not liking the sound of them. I just don't believe this is where the narrative should be heading. But you know what, I will wait to read them. Could end up being really good, who knows.

Two things I definitely don't want want to see in the sequel, though - I don't want Lara to be some traumatized girl who feels guilty and sad about what happened to her friends every time someone mentions them ("I... Could have saved them" *looks into the distance* Um, no), and I definitely don't want to see ghosts.

Zebra 14-01-14 20:45

@Mikky: She's seeing ancient mythological creatures. "Ghosts of the past" is only a figure of speech.

larafan25 14-01-14 20:45

I think. She's experiencing... dreams and visions, from her truamatic experience. As it said in the description for the other comic.

Mikky 14-01-14 20:51

[QUOTE=Zebra;6979779]@Mikky: She's seeing mythical creatures. "Ghosts of the past" is only a figure of speech.[/QUOTE]

But it says "so [b]too[/b] do the ghosts of her past", as in as well as, in addition to - you get the picture. Doesn't really sound like a figure of speech to me.

larafan25 14-01-14 20:52

Yes, ghosts of her past as in Roth, Alex, and Grim, maybe. However not actual ghosts, but dreams, visions, hauntings, nightmares.

Rai 14-01-14 20:57

I don't think it's a figure of speech in this case. However, it may not mean she's seeing ghosts in the actual sense, rather she's having nightmares/visions. I'm fine with this stuff being covered in the comics, it could mean that as the story develops, Lara will gradually come to terms with things ready to go on an adventure in TR10. To be honest, I'd be surprised if Lara[I] didn't [/I]feel the after effects of Yamatai, experiencing guilt/doubt etc. At least in the comics.

Mikky 14-01-14 21:02

Hmm, maybe, who knows. Just makes it sound like it's actual ghosts when you mention it alongside something like mythological creatures.

I wonder what kind of creatures, anyway, and where they came from. And most importantly, why they're going after Lara. Spooky. :pi:

Lukass 14-01-14 21:05

The mythological creatures interest me...

larafan25 14-01-14 21:05

Quite possibly visions of the demons she saw on Yamatai, or perhaps she is cursed, and there are legit, apparitions of ancient creatures freaking her out. IDK.

We'll begin to find out next month tho.

sackboy123 14-01-14 21:06

[QUOTE=Zebra;6979779]@Mikky: She's seeing ancient mythological creatures. [B]"Ghosts of the past"[/B] is only a figure of speech.[/QUOTE]

Quote from Doctor who series 1 trailer lol

[YOUTUBE]1hQyujVvRcY[/YOUTUBE]

And why is there a GOTY when theres the PS4 edition

larafan25 14-01-14 21:11

So is this comic? Digital? And print? How do I get it?

Zebra 14-01-14 21:13

[QUOTE=Mikky;6979800]Hmm, maybe, who knows. Just makes it sound like it's actual ghosts when you mention it alongside something like mythological creatures.

I wonder what kind of creatures, anyway, and where they came from. And most importantly, why they're going after Lara. Spooky. :pi:[/QUOTE]

Something probably happened when she killed Himiko. Maybe some of her powers transferred to Lara without her knowing about it? And those creatures haunt her because of it? Or maybe just the mere fact that they all stepped foot on Yamatai is enough to "curse" them.

[QUOTE=Rai;6979793]I don't think it's a figure of speech in this case. However, it may not mean she's seeing ghosts in the actual sense, rather she's having nightmares/visions. I'm fine with this stuff being covered in the comics, it could mean that as the story develops, Lara will gradually come to terms with things ready to go on an adventure in TR10. To be honest, I'd be surprised if Lara[I] didn't [/I]feel the after effects of Yamatai, experiencing guilt/doubt etc. At least in the comics.[/QUOTE]

But isn't that exactly what "ghosts of the past" as a figure of speech means :confused:. I mean, that can be what it means, anyway. The ghosts referring to bad experiences/events/acquaintances from someone's past coming back to bite you in the arse. Either directly or through guilt/trauma/nightmares/...

larafan25 14-01-14 21:15

That would actually be sick. If Lara is somehow [I]permanently[/I] tainted and connected to the spirit/ supernatural world from interacting with the soul of Himiko.

Rai 14-01-14 21:16

[QUOTE=larafan25;6979813]So is this comic? Digital? And print? How do I get it?[/QUOTE]
You can order the print form direct from Dark Horse comics that you linked to or you can [URL="http://www.disposableheroes.co.uk/index.php?searchStr=Tomb%20Raider&act=viewCat&Submit=Go"]Go here[/URL], though the 3rd one isn't on that site yet. I[I] think [/I]Dark Horse offer a digital version as well.

Mikky 14-01-14 21:18

@Zebra Those are all possibilities, and perhaps they could work if it's all written well, but the whole idea of ghosts and curses sounds really cliché to me, so that's why I want them to stay away from that kind of stuff. :o

[QUOTE=sackboy123;6979805]

And why is there a GOTY when theres the PS4 edition[/QUOTE]

For people who don't have a PS4/Xbone and never played the game before. Logical.

What I don't understand is why they're advertising the standard edition of the game again for PS3/360/PC when the price shown is the same as the GOTY edition. I don't even know how many sites that the normal edition is still 29.99, but who would buy it at that price when they could get the GOTY for the same price, which is the same game but with more stuff? You'd literally have to be mad. :vlol: They should at least drop the price of the standard edition or otherwise there's literally no incentive to buy it.

Square/CD, where's your head at?

larafan25 14-01-14 21:18

[QUOTE=Rai;6979823]You can order the print form direct from Dark Horse comics that you linked to or you can [URL="http://www.disposableheroes.co.uk/index.php?searchStr=Tomb%20Raider&act=viewCat&Submit=Go"]Go here[/URL], though the 3rd one isn't on that site yet. I[I] think [/I]Dark Horse offer a digital version as well.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Though now I wonder if I should wait and just purchase the comic digitally. hmmm

Zebra 14-01-14 21:23

[QUOTE=Mikky;6979827]
What I don't understand is why they'r advertising the standard edition of the game again for PS3/360/PC when the price shown is the same as the GOTY edition. I don't even know how many sites that the normal edition is still 29.99, but who would buy it at that price when they could get the GOTY for the same price, which is the same game but with more stuff? You'd literally have to be mad. :vlol: They should at least drop the price of the standard edition or otherwise there's literally no incentive to buy it.

Square/CD, where's your head at?[/QUOTE]

I think they want people to come to exactly that conclusion. Obviously, the standard edition is cheaper than 29,99 at most retailers by now and Square want people to buy their more expensive GOTY edition. So they make people believe that the old one still costs 29,99 and then show the GOTY edition for the same price with more features to make people decide to buy the GOTY edition.

Mikky 14-01-14 22:00

[QUOTE=Zebra;6979830]I think they want people to come to exactly that conclusion. Obviously, the standard edition is cheaper than 29,99 at most retailers by now and Square want people to buy their more expensive GOTY edition. So they make people believe that the old one still costs 29,99 and then show the GOTY edition for the same price with more features to make people decide to buy the GOTY edition.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you're probably right. :p SMH. Dem evil promo people.

Steven_1379 14-01-14 22:08

[QUOTE=larafan25;6979828]Thanks. Though now I wonder if I should wait and just purchase the comic digitally. hmmm[/QUOTE]

the comic = a 5min cutscnene that never made it
lame they had to cut it to fit the whole woke up on a cave tied intro

larafan25 14-01-14 22:14

[QUOTE=Steven_1379;6979867]the comic = a 5min cutscnene that never made it
lame they had to cut it to fit the whole woke up on a cave tied intro[/QUOTE]

We're talking about a comic series tho. [I]the[/I] comic series.

Rai 14-01-14 22:21

[QUOTE=Steven_1379;6979867]the comic = a 5min cutscnene that never made it
lame they had to cut it to fit the whole woke up on a cave tied intro[/QUOTE]
Nope. This is a comic series starting from February and continuing until...dunno exactly. It's being written by Gail Simone, so a different writer than the game. As far as we know, the events take place after the events of Yamatai. It can't be half baked if there's a new one every month :pi:. Though I imagine Gail collaborates with CD so that everything ties in.

Stevo505 14-01-14 22:29

So apparently Lara is going globe-trotting in the comics. Does that mean that in the sequel enough time will have past that she will be more experienced? I wouldn't mind playing an
experienced Lara in the sequel.

Mikky 14-01-14 22:32

I wonder how much can happen before the sequel? With 3 known issues, we know quite a bit will happen already. And I wonder how important will be be to the sequel's plot. I can't help think that it can't be THAT important, otherwise you'd need to read the comics to understand the sequel. Surely they couldn't get away with that, right?

If it is all vital story, is anyone thinking they'll end up including the issues in the game in the Extras menu? :pi:

PallasAthene 14-01-14 22:42

I'm really hoping that the comics tie up a lot of the loose ends regarding the aftermath of the Endurance expedition. That way, when the next game comes out, we wont have to hear endlessly about Lara's feelings/trauma/guilt and we wont have to hear about the other crew members because their after-stories will already have been addressed in the comics. I think comics are a much more appropriate medium for these aspects of the story.

I'm actually looking forward to reading them. The only thing I don't get is why Lara is still wearing her raggedy old Yamatai outfit in all the art work :confused:

Evan C. 14-01-14 22:59

^Hopefully. Nevertheless, the fact she's completely away from the other survivors during the final cutscene, thinking and droping no word is a major hint of what is coming.

larafan25 14-01-14 23:01

I want Miss Croft to drop off the map (well she already has) permanently. I don't want people to think about her, or know where she is.

Evan C. 14-01-14 23:05

It won't happen. She's dedicating her life to social science, it would be an irony. What she's trying to do is, tomb raiding in between, figuring out what the heck is true and what isn't on the rich myths surrounding past. She's not Batman to live on her own dark world, she's aware of everything from a prudent distance.

larafan25 14-01-14 23:07

social science. wat.

Evan C. 14-01-14 23:08

Archaeology is a social science, didn't you know? Tough it's the only one who contains a material contact per se.

larafan25 14-01-14 23:09

But that don't mean poop to Lara.

She's a tomb raider.

Evan C. 14-01-14 23:12

And what does that even mean? What's the purpose then of all she's doing? She's clearly an archeologist. Sure, her methods are typical from late XIX century but what the heck.

Rai 14-01-14 23:32

I see what Lara does as stemming from Archaeology, that was her starting point but she....let's say specialises in the supernatural/mythical, and so, it has less to do with historical facts. It may be that in the rebooted universe, Lara tries to keep within history and archaeology, but she just keeps on uncovering these supernatural elements, so she eventually just kind of goes with it.

HowConvenient 15-01-14 03:23

She is NOT an archaeologist! Archaeologists survey and map and dig and publish and do not keep artifacts or destroy sites! She is trying to find out things for herself alone, and she is only interested in the big stuff and the trophies. The truth to the myths and not the past people is not really archaeology if you ignore the responsibilities and the rules. Technically speaking she is an antiquarian, but to put it plainly she is a treasure hunter, or a brilliant but curious thief. :)

Rai 15-01-14 10:21

^That's the original premise, sure, it's what 'old' Lara was. And maybe that's what CD are aiming for 'new' Lara becoming. So far though, her interest in adventure stems from her archaeological training. I have no idea if Core's Lara ever started out that way.

Evan C. 15-01-14 13:36

[QUOTE=Rai;6980095]^That's the original premise, sure, it's what 'old' Lara was. And maybe that's what CD are aiming for 'new' Lara becoming. So far though, her interest in adventure stems from her archaeological training. I have no idea if Core's Lara ever started out that way.[/QUOTE]

This. But I must remark archaeology was born in the late XIX century with private colectors hiring globe-trotters adventurers (the real tomb raiders) and Lara fits perfectly to that, in certain way. It's like an analogy of the archaeology history. But there's a HUGE interest in Lara for archaeology this time around, more than ever before, and I love it.

HowConvenient 15-01-14 16:06

[QUOTE=Rai;6980095]^That's the original premise, sure, it's what 'old' Lara was. And maybe that's what CD are aiming for 'new' Lara becoming. So far though, her interest in adventure stems from her archaeological training. I have no idea if Core's Lara ever started out that way.[/QUOTE]

She is only an archaeologist in title. She does not practice archaeology. Stealing the dagger is the moment when she decides, when she becomes a tomb raider. Tomb raiders break into tombs and steal the most interesting things for their own value, whether monetary or aesthetic, and then leave. This is what Lara does. Archaeologists survey for artifacts, dig for artifacts, 3D map everything, test everything, date everything and publish everything. One site takes years. It would never make a successful video game.

Core's Lara started out as an 'adventure, puzzle, Egypt/pyramid game' premise, with of course a male protagonist. But they were under threat of being sued for ripping off Indiana Jones, so they had to make it different. And what could be more different than a beautiful woman with crazy curves? Everyone was like 'what on earth are you thinking!?' But the designer (Toby Guard?) was like, 'no guys, this will work, trust me.' And I'm so glad they did! :p

[QUOTE=Evan C.;6980168]This. But I must remark archaeology was born in the late XIX century with private colectors hiring globe-trotters adventurers (the real tomb raiders) and Lara fits perfectly to that, in certain way. It's like an analogy of the archaeology history. But there's a HUGE interest in Lara for archaeology this time around, more than ever before, and I love it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly what Lara is, but on the biggest scale of artifacts, and for herself rather than someone else, because she is the rich benefactor, and she is interested in the mystery and the adventure as well. That may be where archaeology began, but now it is called antiquarianism as I said, not archaeology, and it is illegal, dealing only in secret and on the black market. Unfortunately it is still very popular in it's own circles, but it is hugely destructive to the archaeological record because zero recording and publishing is done so the context of the artifact is lost.

I do love that she was able to decipher the island's secrets, and identify the artifacts she found, and while that is a nod at archaeology, it is not in itself archaeology.

How do I know all this? I am currently working on a minor in archaeology. :) It's interesting, but not nearly as exciting as what Lara does.

Evan C. 15-01-14 17:41

Cool, of course what she does goes against the same logic of archaeology since she basically raids and destroys everything, wich means less data and incomplete information. And what she doesn't destroy she seems to keep it for herself, wich is even worst because as you said, it's contraproducent with archaeological purposes. I'm an archaeology student too.
This beind said, Lara still didn't got anything from her, so this would aply more to her previous "self". Let's hope and wait how this continues, however she has a more scholar attitude, clearly.


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