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fallenangle 17-06-20 11:52

Never heard that because when I play Crash Site its the T-Rex that croaks not LC. :) It does take what must be a thousand pistol rounds but its easy to do no scratch.

Its the raptors in the previous area that are the more dangerous opponents and I've yet to do that with just pistols keeping the soldier alive.

lance6439 05-07-20 22:43

These alpha images look cool as hell. Look like TR1 Lara with TR2 braid

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Lavender 06-07-20 08:44

I always liked the pink blood :)

Yeauxleaux 06-07-20 08:55

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Originally Posted by fallenangle (Post 8207686)
Never heard that because when I play Crash Site its the T-Rex that croaks not LC. :) It does take what must be a thousand pistol rounds but its easy to do no scratch.

Its the raptors in the previous area that are the more dangerous opponents and I've yet to do that with just pistols keeping the soldier alive.

Yeah they made the raptors in particular so ridiculously OP in Crash Site. It's really quite cruel considering the Nevada level also strips all your guns and ammo away, and then this level also kind of does that by having you waste a huge portion of your resources on the raptors and T-Rex. It can make deciding which of the two levels to get out of the way first a bit of a dilemma.

I also suspect that being able to choose which order you play the levels in, while a cool idea, was added quite late in production. It seems to me that the order is supposed to go London - Nevada - South Pacific. Not so much based on the story, but more in terms of gameplay and how the difficulty ramps upwards in that order.

fallenangle 06-07-20 15:12

That's not the order I randomly chose first time through, I've always play Nevada first and I've stuck to that in all my complete playthroughs ever since. London second.

I'm not entirely sure that Nevada is any harder than London. I think the difficulty in all the locations starts high in the first level and ramps up fairly evenly in each location.

Yeauxleaux 06-07-20 16:44

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Originally Posted by fallenangle (Post 8213636)
I'm not entirely sure that Nevada is any harder than London. I think the difficulty in all the locations starts high in the first level and ramps up fairly evenly in each location.

I'd say they're about on par in terms of enemy difficulty. Maybe I just perceive Nevada as being harder due to the weaponless HSC level and how many random instant death moments Area 51 has, though London isn't short on those either, the whole game has loads.

South Pacific is definitely the hardest of the three middle levels by quite some margin though, especially once you get past Coastal Village.

fallenangle 07-07-20 01:51

I agree with that about the Coastal Village levels, first time through is very tough. The river section I usually enjoy now, but particular on the PS, first time when you do not know what's coming and where you're going exactly, with limited save crystals it is hugely frustrating.

Heartache 07-07-20 04:54

isnt the game coded South Pacific, London, Nevada though? That's always the order the game shows its levels

fallenangle 07-07-20 13:42

No idea TBH. For me the first time through, on PS, by pure accident I did the Nevada first and halfway through its first level I did something I'd been thinking about throughout India: using the all items cheat to get 50 extra save crystals.

I disciplined myself not to use any of the extra weapons and as all the weapons are taken away at the start of the next level it all worked out perfectly.

Still tough even with the extra save opportunities particularly if going for the secrets.

But since then it has always been Nevada first for me then you can get over the weapon loss ASAP.

I've occasionally played the South Sea Islands before London. That does make a bit more sense as regards the start of Antarctica because of the helicopter but it actually a bit ridiculous in terms of the distances involved.

Logically the South Seas would be the last chosen level before Antarctica simply because of the geographic location. Likewise doing London first makes more travel sense, coming back from India, with Nevada as the second level. Also London would be the place she find more information about what happened to the sailors from The Beagle after they returned to to GB.

Caesum 07-07-20 16:51

I think one thing TR3 could right was location diversity. India was bright and yellowish, it really felt like a warm welcome. London was totally the opposite, it felt dark and dangerous, full of mysteries (and questionable lighting choices LMAO). South Pacific was colorful, lush and massive. Antarctica was a mixture of both, but at the same time had somewhat of a horror setting (reminded me of the Thing). The only one I didn't really like was Nevada, but even then it was still very distinct in style.

This later followed to TR3Gold btw which is also varied, colorful and simply amazing.

lance6439 18-07-20 22:24

Back to playing this for the first time in like a decade. Never beated it originally but I am planning on doing so now! reached Nevada (going in order NV>London>SP)

and WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW


this area is so beautiful. The rocks, the waters, the sounds...especially the sounds (even if the soundtrack plays during the wrong part of the game) I am so amazed and in love.

fallenangle 19-07-20 00:12

Yes, by today's graphical standards you'd say it looks rubbish but it oozes atmosphere and a true feeling of desert heat but also creates the feeling of coolness in those areas out of the sun and, of course, there is the invitingly clear water too.

Very much agree: the ambient sounds help take it to another level.

The jump scare(s) there, even if you've played it before, still get you because it so suddenly shatters the relative peacefulness.

Only thing I do not like is if you fall into the water, you are automatically swept over the waterfall and have to repeat the climb around the canyon all over again unless you've saved.

SnatchingEdges 19-07-20 11:29

1st part of Nevada Desert: amazing.

2nd part of Nevada (once you've activated that bomb or whatever): ugh.

fallenangle 19-07-20 15:09

I've always wondered with that who came up with the idea of the location of the key card you have to find in that secondary area and how you have to get to it. Makes no sense - its like they ran out of even vaguely plausible ideas.

TrustyBow 19-07-20 17:15

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Originally Posted by SnatchingEdges (Post 8219062)
1st part of Nevada Desert: amazing.

2nd part of Nevada (once you've activated that bomb or whatever): ugh.

Right!? I'm on the Area 51 part right now on my current replay. I forgot how much needless padding some of the levels had.

I do think that the Area 51 part is still more enjoyable than the London sections though. Maybe excluding Aldwych.

Quebsenuef 20-07-20 00:34

The AREA51 sections are my fav in this game. Nevada Desert being my favorite.. I only wish there was a second desert level, maybe one at night. I’d have adored that. A boy can dream haha

lance6439 20-07-20 07:40

this entire...section is so ****ing bad ass

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Lara looks like a total ****ing babe. And I was STUCK in a spot...and when I found out where I was supposed to go, lawd, that felt so rewarding.

jackraider 20-07-20 11:57

TR3 on PSX is very nostalgic for me and was my first batch of games for PSX. Even though TR2 PC was my first. Honestly, always preferred TR on PSX and I appreciate the pixelated lower resolution nowadays over the PC counterparts.

There’s something very special about 2 & 3 and for me hearing Judith Gibbons’, “No, that’s not right” screams classic Lara to me. However, I still think the original and TLR live up to the name TR much successfully. Plus, those two had the better vistas and exploration. I think TR3 took it too far with putting Lara in modern London in a S&M burglary outfit complete with exposed cleavage, gunning down authority figures, thus leading to her imprisonment in Nevada, USA’s Area 51 with her belly ring intact. Core turned her into an anti hero whereas in original , II, and TLR she was more in tune with her archeological Indiana Jones resemblance. II had a dash of 007 Thunderball thrown in. But 3 really wanted wanted to turn Lara into a mix of CIA or criminal. Chronicles kind of did the same with Russia and VCI levels. I think III, Chronicles, & AOD are easily the black sheep Of Core Era despite 3 selling more than TLR. I think by the time 4&5 came around most gamers had moved on from Tomb Raider to other more evolved 3rd person games.

Yeauxleaux 20-07-20 21:51

I love the Nevada Desert level as well. The USA has some beautiful and spectacular desert landscapes and I think they managed to capture that well even with the very primitive 90s graphics (though admittedly it looks more like Utah than Nevada, but whatever). It's the colours, those lovely pinkish orange tones.

I love the London levels even more though personally. I like how dark and gloomy they are, it perfectly captures that late 20th Century gritty post-industrial Britain feel really well.

You can tell there's so many conceptual ideas that went into the games, where you can see what they were going for, but had limits because of the technology. God these games need remakes so bad.

SophieAyase 21-07-20 05:39

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Originally Posted by jackraider (Post 8219594)
hearing Judith Gibbons’, “No, that’s not right” screams classic Lara to me.

Run back to the start and try again.

lance6439 21-07-20 07:06

did this part like maybe 30 times. Tedious as **** and a big pain in the ass.

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this moment is so ****ing cool and epic

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headed to Area51. Lawd she's an exotic beauty

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Maverin 22-07-20 12:47

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Originally Posted by Yeauxleaux (Post 8220313)
I love the Nevada Desert level as well. The USA has some beautiful and spectacular desert landscapes and I think they managed to capture that well even with the very primitive 90s graphics (though admittedly it looks more like Utah than Nevada, but whatever). It's the colours, those lovely pinkish orange tones.

I really love them too. It's amazing how they managed to create those beautiful outdoor area's in 1998. A huge leap from the first two games. Every location has it's own unique touch and atmosphere.

One of the reasons why Tomb Raider III still is my favorite Tomb Raider game.

lance6439 26-07-20 20:25

almost done with Neveda

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ANoDE 30-07-20 05:06

Beautiful screenshots, Lance!

They make me want to do another playthrough, soon (although I'm holding back for Giovanni's HD texture pack which will hopefully come one day).

BlackWolftr 30-07-20 16:32

Yeah, It also make me want to play TR3 again. Lastly I played this game two or three years ago ;-;

NYCL@R@ 30-07-20 16:36

I hated TRIII at first.

After playing it as an adult, I've come to fully understand and appreciate it.

A game to play.

The colors, level design, the puzzles, the difficulty and satisfaction of it all.

Quebsenuef 30-07-20 21:29

So I think (evidenced by Lance’s wonderful screenshots) that TR3 is where CORE really shined with lightings. I could get stupid drunk off how great the lighting is in this game.

I love that the temple where the infada Stone was is blood red in hue.
There’s the first secret cave in Nevada that is cyan in color.
They played SO WELL with darkness and lightings in this game.

Even these lights in HSC have a blue glow. It’s so abnormal but so beautiful. It makes it seem so normal and yet so eerie and foreboding. I love it I love it I love it.

They kept this up with the future games as well.

Tomb of Ancients in AOD.. that first little cave you start off in.. colors.. lighting and colors! I miss it so much. CORE TR after 3 was always so colorful, but just in the right amount. Never rainbows and craziness.. just perfect

Mek 30-07-20 22:25

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Originally Posted by Quebsenuef (Post 8224580)
So I think (evidenced by Lance’s wonderful screenshots) that TR3 is where CORE really shined with lightings. I could get stupid drunk off how great the lighting is in this game.

I love that the temple where the infada Stone was is blood red in hue.
There’s the first secret cave in Nevada that is cyan in color.
They played SO WELL with darkness and lightings in this game.

Even these lights in HSC have a blue glow. It’s so abnormal but so beautiful. It makes it seem so normal and yet so eerie and foreboding. I love it I love it I love it.

They kept this up with the future games as well.

Tomb of Ancients in AOD.. that first little cave you start off in.. colors.. lighting and colors! I miss it so much. CORE TR after 3 was always so colorful, but just in the right amount. Never rainbows and craziness.. just perfect

Colors and lighting are a very interesting aspect of Tomb Raider III graphics. There are differences between the PC and PSX versions. I haven't played the PSX version yet (but the moment I'll do it is coming closer :)), but after looking at the comparisons in the referenced thread, I would say that they look even better on PSX.

lance6439 30-07-20 22:41

THANK YOU for the compliments, yall. Really hope these images are showing because Justin is currently fixing a problem (if there still is one...if you guys cant see these pics, the problem still enlies) :jugoflove:

I made a save game near the ending JUST to expereince the ending of Area51. This UFO, the Aliens, the goo-sound that's made when you step on the floor...I ****ing love it (images are not 100% in order)

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HarleyCroft 30-07-20 23:59

I love the mushy interior of the spaceship :D

TR1249 31-07-20 11:22

But more importantly, did you swim with the Orcas, Lance?!

NYCL@R@ 31-07-20 15:26

This makes me want to go home and play

Mek 31-07-20 19:10

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Originally Posted by lance6439 (Post 8224656)
THANK YOU for the compliments, yall. Really hope these images are showing because Justin is currently fixing a problem (if there still is one...if you guys cant see these pics, the problem still enlies) :jugoflove:

I've just observed that I can see these images only on desktop, but not on mobile.

tlr online 01-08-20 19:37

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Originally Posted by Mek (Post 8224902)
I've just observed that I can see these images only on desktop, but not on mobile.

What browser and version are you using on mobile and are you logged in?

Mek 01-08-20 21:12

I am using Firefox for Android 68.7.0 and I am not logged in.

tlr online 01-08-20 23:14

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Originally Posted by Mek (Post 8225302)
I am using Firefox for Android 68.7.0 and I am not logged in.

Would you try logging in and letting me know. Thanks.

Mek 02-08-20 06:38

I logged in and the screenshots appeared on mobile :) On desktop I can see them even if I am not logged in.

lance6439 11-09-20 17:24

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Originally Posted by TR1249 (Post 8224810)
But more importantly, did you swim with the Orcas, Lance?!

I sure did

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got back to playing. Really need to brighten up the screen but whenever I change the gamma setting, the game crashes. Really annoying. Currently in the South Pacific and I just love everything about this game so far.

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What I find so horrifying yet cool? when Lara enters the temple and the sound of makeshift drums starts playing and then shortly the rhythm of the drums are accompanied by shouts and chants by the village people. Cool because this is a whole different culture of people you come across, however, scary because these people wont hesitate to attack because you are clearly an invader to their land. They immediately feel threatened and wont think twice about attacking you first.

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fallenangle 12-09-20 13:12

Doubt that level or the end of Crash Site would be made now - too politically incorrect.

The South Sea islander cannibals are straight from the Boys' Own Book Of 19th & 20th Century Adventure Story Cliches.

Still very atmospheric, particularly with that background soundtrack.

lance6439 12-09-20 18:06

^ Agreed with you!

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I don't know much I can tolerate the South Pacific and I'm still on the first level. These dinosaurs, the stomping noises, the realization that I haven't aquaired as much weapons I should have had...its getting to me.

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it was only JUST NOW that I realized I can save on medipacks, bullets for my shotgun and flares when I used the trap door lever to my advantage and shoot the dinos from a distance.

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edit: are my images showing for people?


edit: I am hiding from the Rex in this corner and for a moment I diliberate on if there's any other hiding spaces. I then notice that I don't hear the stompings or the roars...I come out from my safe space and...its dead. LOL. No idea how. Old age?

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