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Old 14-01-21, 00:47   #23471
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I mean, if your 'disagreement' with LGBT topics comes from a place of you not wanting to be like gays bc you think they're less or bc (un)consciously you wanna be accepted by heteronormativity, I agree that that reeks of internalized bs. Under my eyes you're trash like homophobic dads.

Now we should be critical with what the community portrays. Pride should exist and be fun, full of music and stuff without losing its purpose, but not a huge fetish dumpster. Just act within limits and be responsible, it ain't that hard to act like an adult one day.

Feminist manifestations are sex positive, a lot of women even like to show them tiddies. But they do it bc that means something that helps their claims, they actually worry about their movements and don't use it as a side excuse to party.

And I'd also like to point out how Pride is marketed and oriented mostly to gay men We love a lesbian where are they.
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Old 14-01-21, 00:50   #23472
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It's funny how gays are bashed for being sexually active in public, yet straights pretend they don't do the same thing at big gatherings.

How many times do men shout at women to take of their clothes and get excited at seeing two women going at it. Drowning themselves in booze and have a grand old time.

I understand about the march itself should be more respectful to the cause, but most paradise even with straight folks turn into something that folks complain about.

I guess it's only ok when women do it for the joys and pleasures of men.
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Old 14-01-21, 01:03   #23473
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You're not wrong Charmed, but replicating str8 trashy behavior is not something LGBT should aim for, especially when it's a special date for us.
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Old 14-01-21, 01:34   #23474
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You're not wrong Charmed, but replicating str8 trashy behavior is not something LGBT should aim for, especially when it's a special date for us.
I'm not saying it should, but the double standard when it comes to straights and gays always hits me in a way that hurts and angers me sometimes.

It's the same thing I hear all the time from family, "Oh my god, those guys should take that off my tv. That's so sick, they are always showing these gays naked and doing things that us normal folks would get in trouble for".

Yeah ok grandma, let me just play about every movie released in the last 30 years that show straight couples going even further then what's being implied in that 5 second scene.

Like I can't stand it, there are sooooooo many things straight couples get away with in general that gays still to this day wouldn't dare ever try.

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Old 14-01-21, 01:37   #23475
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I have zero tolerance for gays who think they’re special because [trying way too hard to be liked by straight people]
That I do agree with in spite of what I said in my earlier post. Certain gays do way too much and come off like outright pick-me's with how they actively try to distance themselves from anything they see as being stereotypical, just to make a point. When I'm criticising the "rebel without a cause" mentality I described earlier I'm talking of the opposite extreme, the gays who feel they have to actively play up stereotypes to be "authentic" (actually to be accepted by a different crowd) and slam anything conventional and honestly normal functioning adult behaviour as "straight" or "heteronormative".

As always, I preach balance and not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I also like a lot of what Snatching is saying here too.
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Old 14-01-21, 01:41   #23476
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Oh I hate that too, it's extremely problematic too. Some folks will straight up be in abusive family relationships and yet will make excuses of how they are just trying to be tolerant of other views and doing so out of love.

Like no, there is no excuse at all for the abuse your putting yourself through just to get acceptance from these people. They don't accept or care about you, I know it's hard and it sucks royally, but no one should put up with that kind of abuse just for someone's affection and love. They aren't worth it, they don't ****ing deserve your love in any capacity.

It sets a really bad example and role model for kids who see that type of abuse as normal and excusing it as just being tolerant.
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Old 14-01-21, 01:49   #23477
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My stance on gay pride is Iím all for it, the meaning behind it. Stonewall, being accept as equal to everyone else and the March to say weíre not going to tolerate it. I think pride is well needed, I think itís a great safe haven for the younger LGBT to come and express themselves without the fear of being bullied, beat up, looked down upon and shamed. Itís a great place to have fun, party have a few drinks and just have a good time.

However, what I really dislike about it is the fact you get some gays turning up in nothing but a thong, making out with numerous people and seeing who can sleep with as many people as possibly before the day is up and promoting their Onlyfans page by doing it in the street for all to see. Living up to the stereotype that people view us as anyway when in fact half of us arenít like that at all.

Thatís not what I go to pride for; now perhaps Pride is different in other cities/countries but thatís what itís like in my hometown and thatís why I distance myself from that part of pride. Iím always there for the March and Iíll go to a club my Drag Queen friend is the DJ at but once sheís finished her set, Iíll leave.
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Old 14-01-21, 02:12   #23478
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Now we should be critical with what the community portrays. Pride should exist and be fun, full of music and stuff without losing its purpose, but not a huge fetish dumpster. Just act within limits and be responsible, it ain't that hard to act like an adult one day.
Being a back-alley whore, sex-crazed maniac has a lot to do with Pride history since gay sex was illegal, portrayal of a male looking promiscuous led to anal exams by cops which then resulted in men being locked away in jail because of sodomy laws, the ban of gay erotica and much much more. So sex and kinks have a history that's part of Pride that plenty of people just like to brush off to the side because its trendy to be gay and hate all things gay sex related because of edgy internet clout points. I think gay men get more attention because gay men have more history of being discriminated against within the community than Trans, Lesbian and Bisexual people from a certain time frame until just a few years ago.

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That I do agree with in spite of what I said in my earlier post. Certain gays do way too much and come off like outright pick-me's with how they actively try to distance themselves from anything they see as being stereotypical, just to make a point. When I'm criticising the "rebel without a cause" mentality I described earlier I'm talking of the opposite extreme, the gays who feel they have to actively play up stereotypes to be "authentic" (actually to be accepted by a different crowd) and slam anything conventional and honestly normal functioning adult behaviour as "straight" or "heteronormative".
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However, what I really dislike about it is the fact you get some gays turning up in nothing but a thong,
..which is a form of one's self-expression.

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making out with numerous people and seeing who can sleep with as many people as possibly before the day
What's wrong with consensual affection? why does it bother you to see people kissing other people?

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promoting their Onlyfans page by doing it in the street for all to see.
Literally no. OnlyFans wasn't even popularized until last Summer when the populairty for the app/program gained tons of traffic. And if people want to promote their sex work, what's the problem? this is the boomer-like attitude I was probably responding to you about those years ago that led me to thinking you're one of THOSE who have issues with themselves that stems in internalized homophobia and likely self-hate. And if its not, then you're just very prudish about things you don't have to involve yourself in. I bet you probably have an issue with porn stars, who are real life people and not droids, attending pride as well.

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Living up to the stereotype that people view us as anyway when in fact half of us arenít like that at all.

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Oh well. Stereotypes are going to be there until the earth finally implodes. Hard working black people will always be seen as lessor, Hispanic single mothers will always be viewed as welfare queens who came to America illegally, Asian people will always viewed as nerds, etc etc etc. I'm not going to conform to make the people who are responsible for these stereotypes comfortable.


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itís a great safe haven for the younger LGBT to come and express themselves without the fear of being bullied, beat up, looked down upon and shamed. Itís a great place to have fun, party have a few drinks and just have a good time.
Yup. There's Pride in general and Pride specifically for family and minors.
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Old 14-01-21, 02:30   #23479
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Youíre still not getting what Iím saying, some people use pride as a massive sex party, which is what Iím referring to by the kissing and the Onlyfans (which I was being sarcastic by the way, so no I have no problems with Porn Stars or sex workers) which to me isnít what Pride is about. Pride in my city gets a lot of media coverage from the news on TV and newspapers, online blogs/websites ect. How can we fight for equality (which is what pride is to me) when half of the things that are getting published is ďMassive Orgy breaks out in middle of the streetĒ? Thatís what people see/watch and read. If thatís what you want to do, go back to the hotel or your house.

Pride should be about educating the people that are not part of the LGBTQ+ community, itís about a conversation on how we can move forward with love and acceptance and thatís not going to happen when the people we need to educate are fixated on the ďwrongĒ things.

Like I said, Iím not against pride, I never have been thereís just parts of it that I donít think work with the message that pride is, thatís all.
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Old 14-01-21, 02:37   #23480
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Call me when y'all also against college spring breaks.

Oh wait a minute, what was that? You never said anything about the college spring breaks before where people get drunk, have sex right in the beach?

Oh, ok then, go back the complaining about what gays are doing as if anyone else in the world is complaining about anything any other group besides the gays is doing.
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