Tomb Raider I-III Remastered General Feedback & Requests

[sackboy123]

You might not believe a word of his, but without him Lara Croft would never exist

I for one believe him, he had no reason to lie in that commentary to be honest. As he would only have been shutting himself down

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by sackboy123

You might not believe a word of his, but without him Lara Croft would never exist

I for one believe him, he had no reason to lie in that commentary to be honest. As he would only have been shutting himself down

Toby Gard undoubtedly had a grudge against Core because he left it in conflict with the direction others wanted to take the game, and missed out on the success that followed TR1. And then again, he was working for Crystal at the time, and it is clear to everyone what Crystal's opinion on Classic TR was/is.

[sackboy123]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

Toby Gard undoubtedly had a grudge against Core because he left it in conflict with the direction others wanted to take the game, and missed out on the success that followed TR1. And then again, he was working for Crystal at the time, and it is clear to everyone what Crystal's opinion on Classic TR was/is.

Not everyone at Crystal sees it that way, using them as a whole is very unfair. Some members at Crystal love Classic Lara

[Ellioft]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

Toby Gard undoubtedly had a grudge against Core because he left it in conflict with the direction others wanted to take the game, and missed out on the success that followed TR1. And then again, he was working for Crystal at the time, and it is clear to everyone what Crystal's opinion on Classic TR was/is.

If I told you one of the reason he and Paul has departured from Core was because of Lara's sexualisation by the publicity department but also because Jeremy Smith the boss of Core was an ass... to them ? Toby and Paul at first didn't wanted to continue to work on TR so they have concidered others options with others studios when Jeremy Heath Smith known the news he was really furious even tho Paul and Toby where open to negociations and then he decided to fire them without paying them their last month.

The only person he could've been bitter against was just Jeremy Heath Smith and Eidos.

[VictorXD]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

Toby Gard had his reasons for spitting in the plate he had once eaten from.

Frankly, I do not believe a single word of his.

Not to mention Crystal, and at the time he was working for Crystal on LAU.

I remind you this:
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Why wouldn't you believe it though? Not only is it obvious by what is left in the game, it's also perfectly reasonable. TR1 was made by a small handful of people who didn't have any expertise in history in a time where historical accuracy in games wasn't something developers cared too much. They had their hands full actually making the game, they didn't care too much about historical facts.

They were never trying to be 100% accurate, I mean Peru is a culmination of Inca, Aztec and Mayan stuff thrown together, and they look aesthetically similar enough that most people (including Core) wouldn't know there even is a difference, even though they are very different cultures (the Mayans didn't even live in South America).

Also VERY important to remember that this was a time before internet was readily available and as extensive as it is today. Back then 90% of the research Core did was based on books, a lot of classic textures are straight up scans from those books for example.

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by VictorXD

Why wouldn't you believe it though? Not only is it obvious by what is left in the game, it's also perfectly reasonable. TR1 was made by a small handful of people who didn't have any expertise in history in a time where historical accuracy in games wasn't something developers cared too much. They had their hands full actually making the game, they didn't care too much about historical facts.

They were never trying to be 100% accurate, I mean Peru is a culmination of Inca, Aztec and Mayan stuff thrown together, and they look aesthetically similar enough that most people (including Core) wouldn't know there even is a difference, even though they are very different cultures (the Mayans didn't even live in South America).

Also VERY important to remember that this was a time before internet was readily available and as extensive as it is today. Back then 90% of the research Core did was based on books, a lot of classic textures are straight up scans from those books for example.

I do not think that Toby Gard was in charge of historical research and level building, or even of research on weaponry.

Whatever the case, the historical stratification of the Greek levels of TR1 ended up being quite accurate.

The Peruvian levels are a different story:

The name "Qualopec" is definitely Nahuatl-sounding (i.e. Aztec-sounding), and I think that it was chosen by Core to reconnect with the Aztecs' myth about their origins in the mythical land of Aztlan, which European explorers could not help but compare with the myth of Atlantis. At the same time they wanted to set the levels in Vilcabamba, the last Incan stronghold at the time of the Spanish conquest whose whereabouts was fabled and was only discovered in the 1960s.

Therefore, I think that for the Peruvian levels the Core team outlined something similar to the cultural stratification of Greece, albeit not matching reality in this case. The Incan and Aztec empires are in fact very recent (both began in the 13th/14th century and ended in the 16th century, although their roots were certainly older) compared to the Mayan civilisation (which began around 2000 BCE). So, in order to give the idea that the site of the Tomb of Tihocan was very ancient, preceding all Central and South American civilisations — but sacred to and guarded by all of them —, they created a mixture of elements from all those cultures.

[Darkon]

Originally Posted by sackboy123

Not to mention the dev commentary in Anniversary with Jason and Toby Gard further prove this.

Core Design had no clue what they were doing and didn't follow anything historically. They fumbled and just wanted to make a fun 3D game. One that would be exciting as 3D games were rare back on the 90s

Exactly!

I must say it's impressive how Mr Od fights against actual facts and proof that Core got the names wrong because like people above have said historical accuracy wasn't something anybody was concerned with back then. It's fun to theorize and build headcanons around these inconsistencies but to say they are canon and intended it's a bit of a stretch.

Regarding the "Toby was bitter with Core so he lied" thing, throughout all the commentary there are several instances of Botta criticizing the original jokingly and Gard getting defensive about it so clearly he wasn't bitter about the game or anything.

[Night Crawler]

Can't stand Toby Gard, the series really benefited from his absence in my opinion.
And he apparently also had a lot of input into the creation of Legend Lara... Enough said really.

Originally Posted by Darkon

Is it really necessary to repost every single feedback post in every single feedback thread? Isn't that considered spam?

Isn't this?

[a55]

Originally Posted by Night Crawler

Can't stand Toby Gard, the series really benefited from his absence in my opinion.
And he apparently also had a lot of input into the creation of Legend Lara... Enough said really.



Isn't this?

No, it isn't.

[Night Crawler]

Originally Posted by a55

No, it isn't.

No, it isn't, what? Enough said?
Alright, fine. I do find it kind of poetic that he managed destroy his own creation. I can admire that.
But TR II, III & 4 (even Chronicles & AOD) versions of Lara are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest.