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Old 22-03-23, 23:23   #1091
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To answer your question about S-Lara keeping any artefacts, she has the General's dagger from TR2013, the Atlas from Rise and both the dagger and the box from Shadow. I may be misremembering, but I think they even show a few of the relics she picked up along the way.
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I think I've asked (and gotten the answer!) before but I just can't seem to retain the answer

What was the General's Dagger again? And didn't the Shadow dagger and box dissipate or something? Maybe I could just look up the cutscene but I don't wanna, I remember it was deliberately ambiguous and trying to make out what happens was a chore. Was she sacrificed or not? It isn't a sacrifice if she doesn't die, ffs. Was it like the Dagger of Xian but required a ritual? (Did the DoX require a ritual or was Bartoli just dramatic?)
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Old 22-03-23, 23:52   #1092
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I think I've asked (and gotten the answer!) before but I just can't seem to retain the answer

What was the General's Dagger again? And didn't the Shadow dagger and box dissipate or something? Maybe I could just look up the cutscene but I don't wanna, I remember it was deliberately ambiguous and trying to make out what happens was a chore. Was she sacrificed or not? It isn't a sacrifice if she doesn't die, ffs. Was it like the Dagger of Xian but required a ritual? (Did the DoX require a ritual or was Bartoli just dramatic?)
The General who committed suicide due to his guilt over no longer wanting to serve Himiko anymore after he realised the truth about the rituals. Lara takes his dagger.

We don't see what happens to the box or dagger in the scene. But Lara has both at the end. For the ritual to save the sun to work, the god, Kukulkhan had to be sacrificed. Lara has taken in his power/essence, but she doesn't have to die herself, the dagger pierces the glow around her and it flows into the dagger.

I don't think it's the same as the situation with the Dagger of Xian, as the person taking in its power has to be physically stabbed and once the dagger is removed then they die. I assume it did require a ritual, but there wasn't any real explanation.
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Old 23-03-23, 03:42   #1093
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Great post. People like to think that modern media is too political but it's always been that way. Casablanca, anyone?

And yes, putting Metal Gear Solid in a list of nonpolitical games is a level of cognitive dissonance I can't fathom. The games have TONS of commentary on current events and governments, especially the second one.

That said, Tomb Raider has never been a series which was "ripped from the headlines", so to speak, it was escapist fantasy. Just give me that and I'll be happy.

(and yes, it's quite telling when a photo of a few women gets an automatic cry of "WOKE!"... as if only women write "woke" media or that the story's gonna be all emotional up in here. That's a dated attitude, like, REALLY dated. Especially with how many women are in Hollywood nowadays, plus as any woman will tell you, women are not some hivemind.)
I still donít think Iíve fully grasped the entirety of MGS2 even though Iíve played it dozens of times.
(And on European extreme mode and fighting Solidus with that damn sword made me want to pull my hair out)

I agree with you as well. I donít need political overtones in TR, but that also depends on where the person playing the game is coming from. Itís all relative to the gamer in question. ďStrong woman defeating any man that stands in her way with grace, finesse, and a smirk? Sounds like wOkEyIsM!!Ē
Some people will think that no matter how we much we revert TR back to 1996.

And itís not just women writing for TR! One of them has colored hair! And we all know that makes her scary, woke, globalist, soy, weak, pro-newworldorder, and worthy of not listening to anything she may bring to the table. /sarcasm
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Old 23-03-23, 06:53   #1094
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MGS games are political. All of the have "America is evil" themes. And the writer of the games idiolized Che Guvera and anti-American terrorists(Big boss is a terrorist) which shows how naive he is in terms of politics.

As for Tomb Raider, it has far less politics than games such as Metal Gear and Splinter Cell.
But having a female protagonist that kills the bad guys is a "woke" thing though.
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Old 23-03-23, 08:32   #1095
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I am reading a little bit of placing entities in boxes. And there are exceptions.
Such a thing does not exist. Nor will the exception be found, at all. That is Lara.

I think that the society is built as a whole with in mind that one does not live on the planet by theirselves.
The planet includes a mixed society that exists from males and females. I think that includes all demographic factors that exists on this planet.

The opinion that I have read back there about women, is outdated. This is 2023, a little progress and understanding about the planet that you live on would be nice.

Also keep in mind that the target audience for Tomb Raider videogames are those who actually play Tomb Raider videogames. Again, a mixed society. Multicultural. Possibly the whole planet.
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Old 23-03-23, 08:49   #1096
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I donít think politics is as newly rampant as the internet thinks it is in entertainment, and itís more so that people are just now aware of it. Tons of stories or movies or books or shows or music have had political influence or opinions in them. Every Christmas my family and I watch The Christmas Carol and every year my family fail to grasp (what I think is) the point(s) of the movie. Ultra rich guy hoards all this wealth and leaves pennies for his employee. He then gets shown a life outside his own and how itís affecting them. A little kid will die and he helps to inflict that pain and suffering. He has a change of heart and chooses to help.
My family still thinks a living wage is a bad thing and if your employer pays you pennies itís your own fault, or if youíre sick and canít afford to get health care itís your own fault.

Thereís lots of political messages in all kinds of media over the years. Itís just now that the internet is picking up on them and for some reason demonizing them.

I will admit I do like the dumbdumbs who had NO IDEA that certain forms of media had political messages that flew over their heads. A while back Wolfenstein tweeted something about their game and fighting the Nazis, and someone responded that they shouldnít make their game political. Apparently it wasnít political before for decades that Wolfenstein was about killing Nazis, but now itís wrong to kill Nazis.

Or those who list apolitical games and put in ones like MGS, which is just a giant cluster**** of political messages that somehow gamers TOTALLY didnít pick up on.

I welcome politics in games. Itís made some of the best games and had some of the best storylines too. If we didnít have political trends in games we wouldnít have Lara Croft, one of the first females of gaming and feminist icon of the 90ís.
The Amount of people Upset over the Watchmen series because Watchmen according to them never was Political...still gives me headache.
Or X-Men...or the American Superhero called Captain America who in his very first Apperance punched Hitler in the face and regularly opposes his own Government.
For christ sake, Rambo 1 was "Woke"...Lara Croft exists because of "Woke".

The more those "Bargh Woke" people talk, the more i believe that of course back in the day people believed in Gods and Magical beings.

But JsotoTRSaga post shows yet again very well how diluted the word "woke" is becoming...and how easy it is to see the true intention despite these kind of people thinking that using the word, masks that.
In this case the Anger that Women are featured, that women are in the forefront.
That is automaticly woke because how else would Women be featured? Due to their talent? No way.

That is why everything including POC, LGBT etc automaticly is "Woke" because why else would people tell stories about these people, why else would people cast them in roles...its just because of "Woke".
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Old 23-03-23, 15:03   #1097
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MGS games are political. All of the have "America is evil" themes. And the writer of the games idiolized Che Guvera and anti-American terrorists(Big boss is a terrorist) which shows how naive he is in terms of politics.

As for Tomb Raider, it has far less politics than games such as Metal Gear and Splinter Cell.
But having a female protagonist that kills the bad guys is a "woke" thing though.
People are completely missing the point every single time this is brought up.

Yes, politics have existed in games pretty much forever, MGS is highly political, FF games are also very political. Most RPG games that have world building are political. I'm extremely hyped for FFXVI, which is going to be very political.

But, that's where the politics are kept... You don't see Kojima going on an anti-nuclear agenda every time you hear him speak. You don't see the other devs trying to push their political message every time they do an interview instead of actually talking about their game, which they obviously made to push their political message instead of vice versa.
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Old 23-03-23, 15:13   #1098
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So what are you saying here? Are developers not allowed to share opinions outside the game? Or do you feel that, by doing so, that somehow "taints" the games themselves?
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So what are you saying here? Are developers not allowed to share opinions outside the game? Or do you feel that, by doing so, that somehow "taints" the games themselves?
I'm saying that it's pretty obvious that they have a political agenda and that they are using their game to push that. Ain't just for video game devs either.

Look at the Rings of Power. Biggest budget ever for a tv show... which nobody seems to care about for some reason. Why? Because the creators thought it would be cool to take a household name and use it solely to push a political message.
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That's assuming a lot. Maybe people are just tired of LOTR? Certainly The Hobbit didn't do nearly as well as the LOTR trilogy.

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