This game is a buggy hell - Page 4

Sat42 · 19-09-23, 13:17

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Originally Posted by .snake.

I am a die-hard TR4 fan and will always love it the most, no matter what.

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I can understand why people don't love TR4. I don't understand why people might hate TR4 though. But all in all, I will acquiesce that it's not the best game objectively even if it is the best for me, and my favorite.

It's not personal bias: TR4 is better than TR2, speaking as someone who only played TR2 before adulthood! You don't need to pretend TR4 isn't the best of the original Tomb Raider series! It is the best

Look: even someone who just suffered some weird bugs ended up loving it! Be confident in your feelings

Seriously though, TR2 was perhaps the best proportionally for its time (peak popularity of the series), but compared to TR4 it's significantly inferior: from graphics and cinematics to platforming and exploration and yes, even action sequences, TR2 is less good than TR4, and what puzzles me most is you mentioned puzzles being better in TR2 when TR4 is clearly superior here as well! The only thing which seems potentially "objectively" a bit better in TR2 is the story, which is deep and moving and philosophically challenging and - nah just kidding!
TR4 relies on the system of interconnected levels to expand beyond what was possible with single map files, so it's forgivable that some individual levels are indeed limited in scope (they're part of a bigger whole, you can't judge them individually the way you'd judge individual maps in the previous games).
There were some growing pains with the way they expanded the amount of possible interactions, but in the end it is the best game with the original (albeit much improved) Tomb Raider engine.

Acacea · 19-09-23, 20:04

I've never had any bugs playing TR4 that were game-breaking except when I was using mods, but that's a whole other story.

.snake. · 20-09-23, 05:46

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Originally Posted by Sat42

It's not personal bias: TR4 is better than TR2, speaking as someone who only played TR2 before adulthood! You don't need to pretend TR4 isn't the best of the original Tomb Raider series! It is the best

Look: even someone who just suffered some weird bugs ended up loving it! Be confident in your feelings

Seriously though, TR2 was perhaps the best proportionally for its time (peak popularity of the series), but compared to TR4 it's significantly inferior: from graphics and cinematics to platforming and exploration and yes, even action sequences, TR2 is less good than TR4, and what puzzles me most is you mentioned puzzles being better in TR2 when TR4 is clearly superior here as well! The only thing which seems potentially "objectively" a bit better in TR2 is the story, which is deep and moving and philosophically challenging and - nah just kidding!
TR4 relies on the system of interconnected levels to expand beyond what was possible with single map files, so it's forgivable that some individual levels are indeed limited in scope (they're part of a bigger whole, you can't judge them individually the way you'd judge individual maps in the previous games).
There were some growing pains with the way they expanded the amount of possible interactions, but in the end it is the best game with the original (albeit much improved) Tomb Raider engine.

Yeah, you're right. Who am I kidding. TR4 is perfection.

xtimz · 20-09-23, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Acacea

I've never had any bugs playing TR4 that were game-breaking except when I was using mods, but that's a whole other story.

I only had game breaking when I kept only one save and happened to save in a stupid situation.

Jathom95 · 20-09-23, 15:08

Honestly, the only problem I have with TR4 nowadays is retroactive from Chronicles and AoD. The whole thing of Lara ostensibly dying but she didn't really just created a mess that, by AoD, they just sort of had to gloss over because of switching writers, plus it never really being made clear what happened with Lara during that period and thereafter.

The ending of the game is what really set all of that in motion. Sure, they were sick of the series and wanted out, I get it. But we also know that if they'd had their way they'd have come back to the series much later possibly, and you could have just framed it as a "the adventure continues..." type of thing by the end of TLR. But, wasn't meant to be I suppose.

Salvatore_crof · 22-10-23, 04:53

Hi all. I'm playing TR4 on a Mac using Porting Kit.
I believe I'm experiencing a bug when attempting to move the shelves to access the secret in the Sphinx Complex. I can move the first one, but not the second. Any suggestions?

mizuno_suisei · 22-10-23, 05:04

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Originally Posted by Salvatore_crof

Hi all. I'm playing TR4 on a Mac using Porting Kit.
I believe I'm experiencing a bug when attempting to move the shelves to access the secret in the Sphinx Complex. I can move the first one, but not the second. Any suggestions?

Can't recall the exact spot but - try jumping through the corner of the pushable - there's a minute gap Lara can somewhat bug through. Quick suggestion to pass this specific spot

Salvatore_crof · 22-10-23, 05:24

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Originally Posted by mizuno_suisei

Can't recall the exact spot but - try jumping through the corner of the pushable - there's a minute gap Lara can somewhat bug through. Quick suggestion to pass this specific spot

Thank you, I'll give it a try.

This is the spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5yBdx7Q3k&t=3s

edit: made it!!! thank you so much!

mizuno_suisei · 22-10-23, 05:34

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Originally Posted by Salvatore_crof

Thank you, I'll give it a try.

This is the spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5yBdx7Q3k&t=3s

edit: made it!!! thank you so much!

No problem! Doesn't explain the glitch of it not working, pishable not moving (perhaps it's fixed in the tomb4project) though

ah well.

fallenangle · 22-10-23, 13:16

Try pulling or pushing the shelves there in a different way to however you did it before.

In that YT video LC pulls the first shelf towards the exit door side of the room. I noted that in Stella's web site walkthrough of that area it suggests pulling then pushing the first shelf across the room (towards the crawlspace LC used). Then pull the second shelf towards the crawlspace too.

https://tombraiders.net/stella/walks...mplex-4.html#2

I'm thinking there may be a collision detection issue if you pull the shelf away from the wall which may also be solved by pulling or pushing it out more than one 'square' (if there is enough room) before trying to pull the second shelf towards the crawlspace.

19-09-23, 20:04	#32
Acacea Historian Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: The Floating Islands Posts: 267	I've never had any bugs playing TR4 that were game-breaking except when I was using mods, but that's a whole other story. __________________ "You are the light and way that they will only read about..."

20-09-23, 15:08	#35
Jathom95 Archaeologist Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: United States Posts: 1,482	Honestly, the only problem I have with TR4 nowadays is retroactive from Chronicles and AoD. The whole thing of Lara ostensibly dying but she didn't really just created a mess that, by AoD, they just sort of had to gloss over because of switching writers, plus it never really being made clear what happened with Lara during that period and thereafter. The ending of the game is what really set all of that in motion. Sure, they were sick of the series and wanted out, I get it. But we also know that if they'd had their way they'd have come back to the series much later possibly, and you could have just framed it as a "the adventure continues..." type of thing by the end of TLR. But, wasn't meant to be I suppose. __________________ "Rodents, I wouldn't wonder. Big rodents."

22-10-23, 04:53	#36
Salvatore_crof Hobbyist Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 6	Hi all. I'm playing TR4 on a Mac using Porting Kit. I believe I'm experiencing a bug when attempting to move the shelves to access the secret in the Sphinx Complex. I can move the first one, but not the second. Any suggestions? Last edited by Salvatore_crof; 22-10-23 at 04:55.

22-10-23, 13:16	#40
fallenangle Archaeologist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NW London Posts: 2,120	Try pulling or pushing the shelves there in a different way to however you did it before. In that YT video LC pulls the first shelf towards the exit door side of the room. I noted that in Stella's web site walkthrough of that area it suggests pulling then pushing the first shelf across the room (towards the crawlspace LC used). Then pull the second shelf towards the crawlspace too. https://tombraiders.net/stella/walks...mplex-4.html#2 I'm thinking there may be a collision detection issue if you pull the shelf away from the wall which may also be solved by pulling or pushing it out more than one 'square' (if there is enough room) before trying to pull the second shelf towards the crawlspace. Last edited by fallenangle; 22-10-23 at 13:18.