This game is a buggy hell

[Sat42]

Originally Posted by .snake.

I am a die-hard TR4 fan and will always love it the most, no matter what.

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I can understand why people don't love TR4. I don't understand why people might hate TR4 though. But all in all, I will acquiesce that it's not the best game objectively even if it is the best for me, and my favorite.

It's not personal bias: TR4 is better than TR2, speaking as someone who only played TR2 before adulthood! You don't need to pretend TR4 isn't the best of the original Tomb Raider series! It is the best Look: even someone who just suffered some weird bugs ended up loving it! Be confident in your feelings
Seriously though, TR2 was perhaps the best proportionally for its time (peak popularity of the series), but compared to TR4 it's significantly inferior: from graphics and cinematics to platforming and exploration and yes, even action sequences, TR2 is less good than TR4, and what puzzles me most is you mentioned puzzles being better in TR2 when TR4 is clearly superior here as well! The only thing which seems potentially "objectively" a bit better in TR2 is the story, which is deep and moving and philosophically challenging and - nah just kidding!
TR4 relies on the system of interconnected levels to expand beyond what was possible with single map files, so it's forgivable that some individual levels are indeed limited in scope (they're part of a bigger whole, you can't judge them individually the way you'd judge individual maps in the previous games).
There were some growing pains with the way they expanded the amount of possible interactions, but in the end it is the best game with the original (albeit much improved) Tomb Raider engine.

[Acacea]

I've never had any bugs playing TR4 that were game-breaking except when I was using mods, but that's a whole other story.

[.snake.]

Originally Posted by Sat42

It's not personal bias: TR4 is better than TR2, speaking as someone who only played TR2 before adulthood! You don't need to pretend TR4 isn't the best of the original Tomb Raider series! It is the best Look: even someone who just suffered some weird bugs ended up loving it! Be confident in your feelings
Seriously though, TR2 was perhaps the best proportionally for its time (peak popularity of the series), but compared to TR4 it's significantly inferior: from graphics and cinematics to platforming and exploration and yes, even action sequences, TR2 is less good than TR4, and what puzzles me most is you mentioned puzzles being better in TR2 when TR4 is clearly superior here as well! The only thing which seems potentially "objectively" a bit better in TR2 is the story, which is deep and moving and philosophically challenging and - nah just kidding!
TR4 relies on the system of interconnected levels to expand beyond what was possible with single map files, so it's forgivable that some individual levels are indeed limited in scope (they're part of a bigger whole, you can't judge them individually the way you'd judge individual maps in the previous games).
There were some growing pains with the way they expanded the amount of possible interactions, but in the end it is the best game with the original (albeit much improved) Tomb Raider engine.

Yeah, you're right. Who am I kidding. TR4 is perfection.

[xtimz]

Originally Posted by Acacea

I've never had any bugs playing TR4 that were game-breaking except when I was using mods, but that's a whole other story.

I only had game breaking when I kept only one save and happened to save in a stupid situation.

[Jathom95]

Honestly, the only problem I have with TR4 nowadays is retroactive from Chronicles and AoD. The whole thing of Lara ostensibly dying but she didn't really just created a mess that, by AoD, they just sort of had to gloss over because of switching writers, plus it never really being made clear what happened with Lara during that period and thereafter.

The ending of the game is what really set all of that in motion. Sure, they were sick of the series and wanted out, I get it. But we also know that if they'd had their way they'd have come back to the series much later possibly, and you could have just framed it as a "the adventure continues..." type of thing by the end of TLR. But, wasn't meant to be I suppose.