Why Legend is Superior - Page 2

Mr. Mr. · 10-05-23, 13:59

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Originally Posted by leoarcie

Easy answer: Because Shadow is the worst Tomb Raider in the whole franchise.

No, the worst of the three in the Survivor trilogy is the first. Feels nothing like Tomb Raider and more like survival horror, Lara is out of character because she's still a rookie ("I hate tombs..."), has way too much combat and stealth, and goes on and on. I've played through Rise and Shadow more than once but I've never felt the urge to replay TR 2013.

Chamayoo · 10-05-23, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mr.

No, the worst of the three in the Survivor trilogy is the first. Feels nothing like Tomb Raider and more like survival horror, Lara is out of character because she's still a rookie ("I hate tombs..."), has way too much combat and stealth, and goes on and on. I've played through Rise and Shadow more than once but I've never felt the urge to replay TR 2013.

Oh, something I can relate !

Kapu · 10-05-23, 22:03

Just wanted to add that the Legend version of Shadow's forced walking/ducking under barriers/etc is running down long empty corridors. They're different versions of the same thing - loading screens. Anniversary get critiqued for this more than Legend, but unlike TRL, there are no loading screens between levels in the same location, so it's more obvious.

I like Legend for how quick and fun it is, but it's completely linear which makes it hard to compare to Shadow. Of the reboot trilogy, I'd say TR2013 has the best "flow."

ESCachuli · 11-05-23, 20:09

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mr.

No, the worst of the three in the Survivor trilogy is the first. Feels nothing like Tomb Raider and more like survival horror, Lara is out of character because she's still a rookie ("I hate tombs..."), has way too much combat and stealth, and goes on and on. I've played through Rise and Shadow more than once but I've never felt the urge to replay TR 2013.

I hate the survivor trilogy, and the first the most, but the 2 things you precisely mentioned are the best.

I mean, TR always had some "survival horror" feeling in some places, and the line "i hate tombs" is frankly quite funny because it is meta and ironic. Its quite possibly the only joke the trilogy had.

Moon-Safari · 12-05-23, 03:57

I want to say OP has a point, but there is just too much rudimentary gameplay and simplified level design for Legend's gameplay to step to Shadow. This is why Legend and Underworld need a remake to incorporate modern gameplay mechanics. Both games are too basic. The legend story tho, aged very well. And the globetrotting, aesthetics, everything The only thing it needs is updated gameplay. At least it plays smoothly though and it really helped redefine the brand for decades.

Chamayoo · 12-05-23, 10:05

What modern gameplay ideas would help Legend and Underworld being better ? I can see mid-air steering and the capacity to stop the auto grab to be good additions. Maybe manual aim could be cool but still with acrobatics and great interactions with the environment. Besides those, I don't see.

Moon-Safari · 12-05-23, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Chamayoo

What modern gameplay ideas would help Legend and Underworld being better ? I can see mid-air steering and the capacity to stop the auto grab to be good additions. Maybe manual aim could be cool but still with acrobatics and great interactions with the environment. Besides those, I don't see.

I would have to say the updated combat system, the xp/skills/crafting/weapons upgrades, diverse collectibles and documents, more destructible environments, a map, challenges, New game plus. I personally do like the ax in gameplay but I know others could take it or leave it. I think it would add to the diversity of navigation. Just the simple stuff like that would give an already vibrant world more substance. Dare I say some RPG but not too much.

Heckler · 17-05-23, 10:35

The control thing is basically the Foundation engine's way around a loading up a a bigger area without a loading screen. Many games employ this technique. Legend did it with door animations and QTE's.
The classic engine preloaded the entire level at the start whereas it's segmented in the newer games to allow more details/features.

Moon-Safari · 17-05-23, 20:08

That's all solved on ps5. Instant loading. This gon be good.

Heckler · 17-05-23, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Moon-Safari

That's all solved on ps5. Instant loading. This gon be good.

Now you don't have to wait for disappointments

12-05-23, 03:57	#15
Moon-Safari Tomb Raider Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Gender: Male Posts: 10,445	I want to say OP has a point, but there is just too much rudimentary gameplay and simplified level design for Legend's gameplay to step to Shadow. This is why Legend and Underworld need a remake to incorporate modern gameplay mechanics. Both games are too basic. The legend story tho, aged very well. And the globetrotting, aesthetics, everything The only thing it needs is updated gameplay. At least it plays smoothly though and it really helped redefine the brand for decades. __________________ Whosoever is delighted in solitude is either a wild beast or a god -Aristotle

12-05-23, 10:05	#16
Chamayoo Relic Hunter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,132	What modern gameplay ideas would help Legend and Underworld being better ? I can see mid-air steering and the capacity to stop the auto grab to be good additions. Maybe manual aim could be cool but still with acrobatics and great interactions with the environment. Besides those, I don't see. __________________ Lost Artifact, Beneath the Ashes, Lara's Shadow and Ana Pure Hair for everyone

17-05-23, 10:35	#18
Heckler Professor Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Africa Posts: 4,099	The control thing is basically the Foundation engine's way around a loading up a a bigger area without a loading screen. Many games employ this technique. Legend did it with door animations and QTE's. The classic engine preloaded the entire level at the start whereas it's segmented in the newer games to allow more details/features. __________________ Tread carefully.

17-05-23, 20:08	#19
Moon-Safari Tomb Raider Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Gender: Male Posts: 10,445	That's all solved on ps5. Instant loading. This gon be good. __________________ Whosoever is delighted in solitude is either a wild beast or a god -Aristotle

10-05-23, 22:03	#13
Kapu Professor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,823	Just wanted to add that the Legend version of Shadow's forced walking/ducking under barriers/etc is running down long empty corridors. They're different versions of the same thing - loading screens. Anniversary get critiqued for this more than Legend, but unlike TRL, there are no loading screens between levels in the same location, so it's more obvious. I like Legend for how quick and fun it is, but it's completely linear which makes it hard to compare to Shadow. Of the reboot trilogy, I'd say TR2013 has the best "flow."