Tomb Engine - General Discussion - Page 57

PolinaOblakova · 11-11-24, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by SrDanielPonces

you cant

Why?

PedroTheGamer · 11-11-24, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolinaOblakova

Why?

because we cant edit crafted trng files. the game crashes.

SrDanielPonces · 11-11-24, 18:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by PolinaOblakova

Why?

Levels are compiled and we have no tool to edit compiled level files (wadtool can only open, not edit)

For classic levels we have tools like trviewer but even then it is a headache to do it without issues

**AkyV** · 13-11-24, 19:37

A new little tutorial about script settings and such:
https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...d.php?t=229894

**AkyV** · 22-11-24, 23:54

I started a new tutorial sequence, about introducing developer-made functions and nodes.
The first tutorial of the sequence has just been released.

Ranpyon · 23-11-24, 11:23

Has TE solved the matter about game lagging with big and a lot of outside rooms connected together? Is it optimized to run with modern hardware avoiding this type of lag?
Because I know that the old TR4 engine wasn't born to manage such things, so even with modern hardware, the game lags a lot with this type of level design, so it's very limiting. Since I am thinking about a big open outside level, I am wondering if it can be possible with TE without worring about lagging.

LoreRaider · 23-11-24, 12:09

Tomb Editor can render huge maps with no lag at all, you could even work with the "Draw all rooms" option on all the time if you wanted to

You could import some of your NGLE projects into it and see that you can render the rooms all at once

Also TEN-wise you can draw much more stuff now into it, so yes it's meant to work on modern hardware at its best

Ranpyon · 23-11-24, 12:22

So do you confirm that if your level is composed in a lot of rooms 16x16 connected together (I mean in vertical too, and they are outside type), does it lag when you play it with TEN?
P.S.: Now I realize that in my previous post I had to write "TEN" and I wrote "TE" instead, I'm afraid it caused confusion, sorry.

Lwmte · 23-11-24, 13:23

You can download and play "Tower Bridge Experience" level to get the idea about the scale of levels that TEN can render without any slowdowns. Currently there are more levels in the works which will have even larger open areas.

Additionally, in TEN you are not limited in room size. People have been experimenting with room sizes larger than 200x200, and it worked correctly (although editor itself becomes quite laggy with such enormous room sizes).

LoreRaider · 23-11-24, 13:27

Sadly the lag ingame is not related to the editor, although TE allows some optimization options for older engines, like removing unused objects from the compiled level or compressing textures into less texture pages (by merging rooms and objects textures, something NGLE doesn't do), so TE is meant to also work with them rather than just the new TEN engine, especially because TEN didn't exist back then when TE was first released

The ingame lag can happen for multiple factors, if many rooms are connected but there are not many elements to draw, then the lag won't be there
I know that stuff like active flames or "non-smart" portals (like creating a portal for an entire wall even if just a little part needs it) can cause such lag issues, I've once saved 10+ fps by simply disabling flames that you couldn't even see in the lagging area

23-11-24, 11:23	#566
Ranpyon Member Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 281	Has TE solved the matter about game lagging with big and a lot of outside rooms connected together? Is it optimized to run with modern hardware avoiding this type of lag? Because I know that the old TR4 engine wasn't born to manage such things, so even with modern hardware, the game lags a lot with this type of level design, so it's very limiting. Since I am thinking about a big open outside level, I am wondering if it can be possible with TE without worring about lagging. Last edited by Ranpyon; 23-11-24 at 11:25.

23-11-24, 12:09	#567
LoreRaider Member Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,069	Tomb Editor can render huge maps with no lag at all, you could even work with the "Draw all rooms" option on all the time if you wanted to You could import some of your NGLE projects into it and see that you can render the rooms all at once Also TEN-wise you can draw much more stuff now into it, so yes it's meant to work on modern hardware at its best Last edited by LoreRaider; 23-11-24 at 12:12.

23-11-24, 12:22	#568
Ranpyon Member Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 281	So do you confirm that if your level is composed in a lot of rooms 16x16 connected together (I mean in vertical too, and they are outside type), does it lag when you play it with TEN? P.S.: Now I realize that in my previous post I had to write "TEN" and I wrote "TE" instead, I'm afraid it caused confusion, sorry. Last edited by Ranpyon; 23-11-24 at 13:19.

13-11-24, 19:37	#564
AkyV Moderator Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,075	A new little tutorial about script settings and such: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...d.php?t=229894

22-11-24, 23:54	#565
AkyV Moderator Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,075	I started a new tutorial sequence, about introducing developer-made functions and nodes. The first tutorial of the sequence has just been released.

23-11-24, 13:23	#569
Lwmte Member Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,831	You can download and play "Tower Bridge Experience" level to get the idea about the scale of levels that TEN can render without any slowdowns. Currently there are more levels in the works which will have even larger open areas. Additionally, in TEN you are not limited in room size. People have been experimenting with room sizes larger than 200x200, and it worked correctly (although editor itself becomes quite laggy with such enormous room sizes).

23-11-24, 13:27	#570
LoreRaider Member Joined: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,069	Sadly the lag ingame is not related to the editor, although TE allows some optimization options for older engines, like removing unused objects from the compiled level or compressing textures into less texture pages (by merging rooms and objects textures, something NGLE doesn't do), so TE is meant to also work with them rather than just the new TEN engine, especially because TEN didn't exist back then when TE was first released The ingame lag can happen for multiple factors, if many rooms are connected but there are not many elements to draw, then the lag won't be there I know that stuff like active flames or "non-smart" portals (like creating a portal for an entire wall even if just a little part needs it) can cause such lag issues, I've once saved 10+ fps by simply disabling flames that you couldn't even see in the lagging area