Tomb Raider The Legend of Lara Croft

[Ellioft]

In the comics Roth make some apparences and in Shadow Roth is mentionned and he's in the DLC the Nightmare.

For the manor this is just my theory we doesn't know when this scene happen in the chronology of Lara's adventures.

He doesn't seems to be in ruins in the anime. It's empty sure but that's all. To be fair we never have seen how the manor look like outside of Richard's desk in this cutscene.

[Bashar]

Originally Posted by Slugly

The ending of Shadow was Lara being excited for her next adventure in her manor's office with all the artefacts. Implying that she lives there.
But then in the anime she doesn't live there, she hates the manor and its artefacts. The manor is in ruins with wood planks on the windows, sheets on the furniture and moving boxes everywhere. This is Shadow erasure.

Lara being obsessed with Roth also counts as Rise and Shadow erasure because he was totally forgotten after TR2013.

The showrunner just kept some tiny elements like Abby but that's all.

It is definitely incoherent which is the reboot storyline’s most major issue for me. Oh how far we have sunk.

[Vaskito]

Originally Posted by Slugly

The ending of Shadow was Lara being excited for her next adventure in her manor's office with all the artefacts. Implying that she lives there.

But then in the anime she doesn't live there, she hates the manor and its artefacts. The manor is in ruins with wood planks on the windows, sheets on the furniture and moving boxes everywhere. This is Shadow erasure.

The ending in Shadow, when she's at the manor, happens many time later. Firstly she states she'll stay a whille on Paititi, and secondly the manor is restored, which would take a long time

Originally Posted by Slugly

Lara being obsessed with Roth also counts as Rise and Shadow erasure because he was totally forgotten after TR2013.

Not true. In fact, there's Roth in one of Lara's nightmares in the SOTTR DLC, with the nightmare being a visual representation of her state of mind

[JsotoTRSaga]

Originally Posted by Slugly

The ending of Shadow was Lara being excited for her next adventure in her manor's office with all the artefacts. Implying that she lives there.
But then in the anime she doesn't live there, she hates the manor and its artefacts. The manor is in ruins with wood planks on the windows, sheets on the furniture and moving boxes everywhere. This is Shadow erasure.

Indeed, it's as if Tasha only was a fan of the 2013 game and barely played the other two, probably wasn't very invested in the other two since it didn't feature any lesbian innuendos aka Sam. The writer was probably massively disappointed this wasn't the Sims 2 and Lara didn't marry Sam at the end of Rise of the Tomb Raider and adopted baby aliens together.

Lara being obsessed with Roth also counts as Rise and Shadow erasure because he was totally forgotten after TR2013.

The showrunner just kept some tiny elements like Abby but that's all.

Shadow is my least hated game in the reboot trilogy so I didn't appreciate how they undermined it. I mean... you put us through all that to show us how Lara became the Tomb Raider and now you expect us to sit by and watch how you undo all that and then do it all over again? Gimme a break Crystal. It was very random and strange the fact that Lara was obsessed with Roth and his shadow, it was very abrupt and out of nowhere in my opinion as it had absolutely no precedence or foreshadowing or even purpose. It was extremely frustrating and annoying to watch, ughhh and that diabolical ending, yikes! I had enough with that first season to last me a lifetime.

[Chamayoo]

Originally Posted by Vaskito

The ending in Shadow, when she's at the manor, happens many time later. Firstly she states she'll stay a whille on Paititi, and secondly the manor is restored, which would take a long time

Do you mean the first season may happen before Shadow's post credit cutscene ?

[Ellioft]

Originally Posted by Chamayoo

Do you mean the first season may happen before Shadow's post credit cutscene ?

That's a possibility.

For me this scene is more like a wink to the audience about how Lara is taking a break.

I mean the game could've end in Paititi and it would feel the same.
I think that was originally the plan with the storyboards of Shadow giving us a different ending with Lara taking a vacation with Abby and Jonah.

But about Lara's change of heart she said it herself during her conversation with Devereaux in the 05th episode of the show.

She compare herself her situation with Devereau's point of view.

"It's the same thing I wanted.
To burn everything to the ground.
And I did.
And when Trinity was gone, the house was still empty.
And I still didn't have my father.
All I had was blood on my hands."

So her relief at the end of Shadow is only temporary until she realize that she's still in the same position than before. She may have defeated the villain of the story (Trinity) but didn't feel any confort by doing that.
At the end she didn't win anything.
So this is why she left Croft Manor IMO and traveling to avoid the setback of staying in a place so filled with memories.
She's already done that in the comics in Survivor's Cruisade and tried to live a life without Trinity, without exploring, without looking for any answers.

As Tasha's said during her podcast because it's a question I've asked her : What is your perception of Lara’s psychology and ways to deal with her problems?

And she said "By avoiding them."

And it's true we have seen a lot of time Lara's doing that avoiding tough questions asked by her psychiatrist, Matthias, Anna, Amaru etc.

But in the first season of the anime she has to face the music once and for all and I hope it's finally done like she said.

[SwiftieLuma]

Just started watching.

Finished episode one and started it with an open mind ...

I don't wanna continue, it's been a while since I have watched a show or media that has physically made me cringe.

This is just not it. I'll continue in a different time so I can actually be documented about what actually happens and be able to talk about, but this isn't something that's worth watching if you expect Lara to be somehow closer to her original self, it's just depressing and average at best.

I didn't have any expectations but I certainly didn't expect to have such an adverse reaction ... It's sad but interesting that we naturally react in such ways to some things.

[Zsott]

Originally Posted by Vaskito

The ending in Shadow, when she's at the manor, happens many time later.

Technically could be true, but there's no indication of it. Nor, that it takes place soon after.
However, even if she stayed to rebuild, it's unlikely, that she stayed to actually rebuilding temples and whatnot. More like she heled the people to heal, clean up the mess that stayed after Trinity etc. Personally, I believe she left not long after Jonah, let's say a couple of weeks later.

Firstly she states she'll stay a whille on Paititi, and secondly the manor is restored, which would take a long time

The manor is up and running ever since she got back from Syria. The only thing that needed restoring is the window and the lamp that got broken when Lara was fighting that goon.
A remodeling sure can happen, just looking at her office. But that won't push an entire manor into disarray.

Not true. In fact, there's Roth in one of Lara's nightmares in the SOTTR DLC, with the nightmare being a visual representation of her state of mind

The whole premise of that hallucination should've taken place in RoTR and that's a hill I'm willing to die on.

Originally Posted by Ellioft

I think that was originally the plan with the storyboards of Shadow giving us a different ending with Lara taking a vacation with Abby and Jonah.

Doubt it. Why do you have the need to make her a 3rd wheel? She was already uncomfortable, when those two were flirting in Kuwaq Yaku.
On the other hand, I'm sure there was some kind of different ending (maybe way more darker) given, that the last dlc's ending looks like it was cut halfway trough.

[Vaskito]

Originally Posted by Chamayoo

Do you mean the first season may happen before Shadow's post credit cutscene ?

I'm very late to this on my reply, but Yes, I assume so.
On the leaked DLC 8 files, Lara receives letters from multiple people, including from Abby, implying some time has passed since she's been on Paititi

Originally Posted by Zsott

Technically could be true, but there's no indication of it. Nor, that it takes place soon after.
However, even if she stayed to rebuild, it's unlikely, that she stayed to actually rebuilding temples and whatnot. More like she heled the people to heal, clean up the mess that stayed after Trinity etc. Personally, I believe she left not long after Jonah, let's say a couple of weeks later.


The manor is up and running ever since she got back from Syria. The only thing that needed restoring is the window and the lamp that got broken when Lara was fighting that goon.
A remodeling sure can happen, just looking at her office. But that won't push an entire manor into disarray.
n.

The manor is not up and running. It's destroyed, especially on the main hall and the opposing side of where Richar's office is. The manor has a lot of destruction and decay (like broken walls, ceilings, etc.) - a lot of which can be seen on Blood Ties - and that would definitely take some time to restore. Anyways, this is just presumption from my end

Originally Posted by Zsott

The whole premise of that hallucination should've taken place in RoTR and that's a hill I'm willing to die on.

But it takes place in SOTTR, and it's actually a great visual peek into Lara's real state of mind

[rewak]

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