Writer Belinda Garcia will write next TR game - Page 109

HarleyCroft · 22-03-23, 20:04

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Originally Posted by JsotoTRSaga

Edit: By the way I am not retracting, this yet again screams at an attempt to appeal to the masses with wokeism. I would love to be proven wrong but the game hasn't even been announced yet and I can already see the woke propaganda taking place as if we didn't have excellent female writers in the past, Vicky Arnold? She was the best we've ever had might I add.

Ahh, so of its less thinking women are incapable because of smaller brains and more a problem with the pandering applause towards the team for being women as opposed to any of their other merits? I don't disagree.

Then again, I haven't been following the Women's Month thing. I would be excited for the possibility of a new documentary on Lara's strides for womankind but realistically it would probably be pretty reboot-centered

Tombraider95 · 22-03-23, 20:18

I don't think the issue is that they're all women, it's that they're probably all heavily left leaning, which will no doubt affect the game. I can smell the wokeism already.

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Crystal Dynamics has released a picture of the narrative team, and they're all women so expect more woke messaging and propaganda.

Is that definately the full team though? Or just the women on the team?

HarleyCroft · 22-03-23, 20:31

Matt Stone once put his thoughts on affiliation so eloquently:

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I hate conservatives, but I really ****ing hate liberals.

I wish politics in entertainment media weren't so blatant nowadays. Or maybe it's just pointed out more after the invention of the internet? Or maybe I'm just a crotchety old bag who notices and complains about it now

Also yeah, is that the whole team? Games these days need at least 5 writers. A dozen writers. 5 dozen writers. A dozen dozen writers!!

Chamayoo · 22-03-23, 20:42

Well obviously it's not the entire team, some of them don't work at Tomb Raider right now, like Perfect Dark. Also it's been ages that Crystal celebrates Women, as well as LGBT and colour poeple previously.

Quebsenuef · 22-03-23, 20:47

I don’t think politics is as newly rampant as the internet thinks it is in entertainment, and it’s more so that people are just now aware of it. Tons of stories or movies or books or shows or music have had political influence or opinions in them. Every Christmas my family and I watch The Christmas Carol and every year my family fail to grasp (what I think is) the point(s) of the movie. Ultra rich guy hoards all this wealth and leaves pennies for his employee. He then gets shown a life outside his own and how it’s affecting them. A little kid will die and he helps to inflict that pain and suffering. He has a change of heart and chooses to help.
My family still thinks a living wage is a bad thing and if your employer pays you pennies it’s your own fault, or if you’re sick and can’t afford to get health care it’s your own fault.

There’s lots of political messages in all kinds of media over the years. It’s just now that the internet is picking up on them and for some reason demonizing them.

I will admit I do like the dumbdumbs who had NO IDEA that certain forms of media had political messages that flew over their heads. A while back Wolfenstein tweeted something about their game and fighting the Nazis, and someone responded that they shouldn’t make their game political. Apparently it wasn’t political before for decades that Wolfenstein was about killing Nazis, but now it’s wrong to kill Nazis.

Or those who list apolitical games and put in ones like MGS, which is just a giant cluster**** of political messages that somehow gamers TOTALLY didn’t pick up on.

I welcome politics in games. It’s made some of the best games and had some of the best storylines too. If we didn’t have political trends in games we wouldn’t have Lara Croft, one of the first females of gaming and feminist icon of the 90’s.

Amunet · 22-03-23, 20:52

Yeah, I don't think that panel represents the entire team working on TR and I don't think all those women are necessarily working on TR either. It's a panel for Women's History Month and they've chosen to highlight the women on the Narrative team at Crystal. Doesn't mean there are no men on said team at all.

Mr. Mr. · 22-03-23, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Quebsenuef

I don’t think politics is as newly rampant as the internet thinks it is in entertainment, and it’s more so that people are just now aware of it. Tons of stories or movies or books or shows or music have had political influence or opinions in them. Every Christmas my family and I watch The Christmas Carol and every year my family fail to grasp (what I think is) the point(s) of the movie. Ultra rich guy hoards all this wealth and leaves pennies for his employee. He then gets shown a life outside his own and how it’s affecting them. A little kid will die and he helps to inflict that pain and suffering. He has a change of heart and chooses to help.
My family still thinks a living wage is a bad thing and if your employer pays you pennies it’s your own fault, or if you’re sick and can’t afford to get health care it’s your own fault.

There’s lots of political messages in all kinds of media over the years. It’s just now that the internet is picking up on them and for some reason demonizing them.

I will admit I do like the dumbdumbs who had NO IDEA that certain forms of media had political messages that flew over their heads. A while back Wolfenstein tweeted something about their game and fighting the Nazis, and someone responded that they shouldn’t make their game political. Apparently it wasn’t political before for decades that Wolfenstein was about killing Nazis, but now it’s wrong to kill Nazis.

Or those who list apolitical games and put in ones like MGS, which is just a giant cluster**** of political messages that somehow gamers TOTALLY didn’t pick up on.

I welcome politics in games. It’s made some of the best games and had some of the best storylines too. If we didn’t have political trends in games we wouldn’t have Lara Croft, one of the first females of gaming and feminist icon of the 90’s.

Great post. People like to think that modern media is too political but it's always been that way. Casablanca, anyone?

And yes, putting Metal Gear Solid in a list of nonpolitical games is a level of cognitive dissonance I can't fathom. The games have TONS of commentary on current events and governments, especially the second one.

That said, Tomb Raider has never been a series which was "ripped from the headlines", so to speak, it was escapist fantasy. Just give me that and I'll be happy.

(and yes, it's quite telling when a photo of a few women gets an automatic cry of "WOKE!"... as if only women write "woke" media or that the story's gonna be all emotional up in here. That's a dated attitude, like, REALLY dated. Especially with how many women are in Hollywood nowadays, plus as any woman will tell you, women are not some hivemind.)

Tombraider95 · 22-03-23, 23:00

You can probably decipher a political idea or message from any story, that's not really the issue. It's more about when the message takes precedence over just telling a good story. And in recent years this has been evident from the amount of reboots/retellings that have flopped because of the writers decision to concentrate energy on the identity politics of it all, rather than a well written story, which happens to have some political undertone smartly weaved in.

But for TR there's no need for this. Just make a game with Lara Croft being Lara Croft and there will be no issue.

HarleyCroft · 22-03-23, 23:00

It's just like.. instead of being honest about the fact she goes wherever she wants, kills whoever she wants and takes whatever she wants there now have to be reasons that she often herself verbally spells out. She is accepted by the locals so she can trespass, all her enemies are a darker grey of evil and she destroys the MacGuffins for the sake of humanity (did she keep any of the storyline artifacts? I don't remember the final shot of her in the study much)

That's politics, ain't it? Spinning and schmoozing? Lara used to not care about her image. She had all the money to experience/buy/command anything without leaving her mansion but chose to wade into all the blood herself for adventure's sake. Plus, as Natla's goofs show its hard to find good henchmen

**Rai** · 22-03-23, 23:14

To answer your question about S-Lara keeping any artefacts, she has the General's dagger from TR2013, the Atlas from Rise and both the dagger and the box from Shadow. I may be misremembering, but I think they even show a few of the relics she picked up along the way.

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Chamayoo Relic Hunter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,660	Well obviously it's not the entire team, some of them don't work at Tomb Raider right now, like Perfect Dark. Also it's been ages that Crystal celebrates Women, as well as LGBT and colour poeple previously. __________________ Lost Artifact (WE WON), Beneath the Ashes and Lara's Shadow for everyone Last edited by Chamayoo; 22-03-23 at 20:43.

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Quebsenuef Tomb Raider Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In Ryan Gosling’s Arms\|Gender: Pyramid Head\|Superpower: Dirty Tricks Mode\|Color: Ghostflame Blue Posts: 16,551	I don’t think politics is as newly rampant as the internet thinks it is in entertainment, and it’s more so that people are just now aware of it. Tons of stories or movies or books or shows or music have had political influence or opinions in them. Every Christmas my family and I watch The Christmas Carol and every year my family fail to grasp (what I think is) the point(s) of the movie. Ultra rich guy hoards all this wealth and leaves pennies for his employee. He then gets shown a life outside his own and how it’s affecting them. A little kid will die and he helps to inflict that pain and suffering. He has a change of heart and chooses to help. My family still thinks a living wage is a bad thing and if your employer pays you pennies it’s your own fault, or if you’re sick and can’t afford to get health care it’s your own fault. There’s lots of political messages in all kinds of media over the years. It’s just now that the internet is picking up on them and for some reason demonizing them. I will admit I do like the dumbdumbs who had NO IDEA that certain forms of media had political messages that flew over their heads. A while back Wolfenstein tweeted something about their game and fighting the Nazis, and someone responded that they shouldn’t make their game political. Apparently it wasn’t political before for decades that Wolfenstein was about killing Nazis, but now it’s wrong to kill Nazis. Or those who list apolitical games and put in ones like MGS, which is just a giant cluster**** of political messages that somehow gamers TOTALLY didn’t pick up on. I welcome politics in games. It’s made some of the best games and had some of the best storylines too. If we didn’t have political trends in games we wouldn’t have Lara Croft, one of the first females of gaming and feminist icon of the 90’s. __________________ Face and defeat your Guilt

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Amunet Professor Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 2,659	Yeah, I don't think that panel represents the entire team working on TR and I don't think all those women are necessarily working on TR either. It's a panel for Women's History Month and they've chosen to highlight the women on the Narrative team at Crystal. Doesn't mean there are no men on said team at all. __________________ "If it's unique or exciting, I go after it." — Lara Croft

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Tombraider95 Tomb Raider Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 12,659	You can probably decipher a political idea or message from any story, that's not really the issue. It's more about when the message takes precedence over just telling a good story. And in recent years this has been evident from the amount of reboots/retellings that have flopped because of the writers decision to concentrate energy on the identity politics of it all, rather than a well written story, which happens to have some political undertone smartly weaved in. But for TR there's no need for this. Just make a game with Lara Croft being Lara Croft and there will be no issue. __________________ Clowns to the Left, Jokers to the Right, here I am stuck in the middle with you.

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HarleyCroft Professor Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Coulrophilia Posts: 4,214	It's just like.. instead of being honest about the fact she goes wherever she wants, kills whoever she wants and takes whatever she wants there now have to be reasons that she often herself verbally spells out. She is accepted by the locals so she can trespass, all her enemies are a darker grey of evil and she destroys the MacGuffins for the sake of humanity (did she keep any of the storyline artifacts? I don't remember the final shot of her in the study much) That's politics, ain't it? Spinning and schmoozing? Lara used to not care about her image. She had all the money to experience/buy/command anything without leaving her mansion but chose to wade into all the blood herself for adventure's sake. Plus, as Natla's goofs show its hard to find good henchmen __________________ Well if that ain't aren't the isn't Last edited by HarleyCroft; 22-03-23 at 23:09.

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Rai Moderator Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In a bubble outside the universe Posts: 36,293	To answer your question about S-Lara keeping any artefacts, she has the General's dagger from TR2013, the Atlas from Rise and both the dagger and the box from Shadow. I may be misremembering, but I think they even show a few of the relics she picked up along the way. __________________ "Who we are is not what we wear, or what sparkles. It's our spirit that defines us."