Rise of the Tomb Raider General Chat - Page 11

tomee · 07-08-13, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Spong

LOL, you guys are full of that stuff people on the internet refer to as "win"

IKR? I just tried to settle this thing, but alas I couldn't.

Oh EscondeR, you really try too hard to sound professional. I read your posts and I'm like WTF?! o_O As if you try to play mindgames or something. "You've just reached third stage" & "you keep persuading yourself".

Nope, boy it's just that you are not pleased and as a result bash the game and the developers and taunt, mock, make fun of and sometimes even bully the people who appreciate the latest game.

_Ninja_ · 07-08-13, 18:08

So we know from one of CDs podcasts that originally Lara would have to sacrifice Sam. But focus testers didn't like it and so it was changed. Same thing with white ledges. One interview I read said people were getting lost, hence I assume all the hints were implemented.

In that light I found this very spoilerific The Last of Us interview interesting:

The final ending, however, initially "tested very poorly," Druckmann says, with focus testers - and some of the team - complaining about it feeling "unclear" and "anticlimactic".

They didn't change it however. If there is anything CD should learn from ND it's the above.

Focus testers suck the soul out of things if you let them. Always have, games or movies.

Bishop Knight · 07-08-13, 18:52

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Originally Posted by tomee

Now of course there are people who closely follow the series but don't register here.

I was one of them for years. I would pop in and see what everyone was talking about and looking for news, but I never registered. But after seeing this latest installment, I was seriously disappointed at the direction they took the game. It was too much of a departure from what made TR, TR and what made Lara, Lara.

And, unlike friends who are not TR fans, I've been a repeat customer for years. Even buying the games for different platforms. And re-buying them on Steam. So, a fan will spend more on TR games and merchandise than non-fans. Also, fans do cosplay and art that keeps the franchise in the public's eye. Free advertisement basically. The enthusiasm draws others in. The franchise has made it to it's 10th game because of fans not the opposite.

That's why I get frustrated with "fans" who think the franchise has to become something else all together in order to sell. That's a bunch of garbage. I think most games sell below targeted sales figures. That doesn't mean the model is bad and needs to be completely revamped. It just means that not every game is going to appeal to all audiences and there for game developers need to accept that. That's why I like indy game companies. Their focus is on the product and not purely on sales figures. They aren't trying to appeal to everyone.

EscondeR · 07-08-13, 19:05

^ Perfectly stated

But in case of certain someones will fall on fruitless badland

Oh, I'm playing the mind games again... Sorry, I'm not responsible for the lack of imagination of those certain someones.

V Oh, yeah... You're talking about those who think that "Homo Sapiens" is a reference to homosexuals I guess

Those are hardly everyone though.

Hairhelmet12 · 07-08-13, 19:11

You can't fault everyone else for not understanding the tongues that you speak in half of the time.

Can we get this thread back on track now? You guys have derailed it for like 7 pages.

tomekkobialka · 07-08-13, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Bishop Knight

It just means that not every game is going to appeal to all audiences and there for game developers need to accept that.

This is kinda why I wish TR fell in the hands of an indie developer.

They're the best people to deliver a "sharp" game rather than a blur of everything.

Bishop Knight · 07-08-13, 19:23

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Originally Posted by tomekkobialka

This is kinda why I wish TR fell in the hands of an indie developer.

They're the best people to deliver a "sharp" game rather than a blur of everything.

Yep. I hear you. Although, in CD's defense, I suspect that most of the pressure to appeal to as many people as possible comes from Square. They are failing on the Japanese front and want all the other studios to make up for it. When Eidos got bought out by them I knew it wasn't any good. When small studios get bought up by big ones, the games tend to focus on sales figures and get away from staying true to their franchises.

Linoshi Croft · 07-08-13, 19:32

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Originally Posted by tomekkobialka

This is kinda why I wish TR fell in the hands of an indie developer.

They're the best people to deliver a "sharp" game rather than a blur of everything.

Most indie developers would want to make a game that is theirs not try and recreate something. So, it'd seem rather redundant to give it to an indie developer. Saying that indie development is basically turning into the mainstream as it is, with the same idea and concept being produced over and over by many developers.

tomee · 07-08-13, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Bishop Knight

I was one of them for years. I would pop in and see what everyone was talking about and looking for news, but I never registered. But after seeing this latest installment, I was seriously disappointed at the direction they took the game. It was too much of a departure from what made TR, TR and what made Lara, Lara.

That's probably the reason why it's called a reboot. *shrugs* But certain someones couldn't really grasp that. I'm sure CD knew from day one that some people would dislike it, but at least people got over it. Certain someones haven't.

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And, unlike friends who are not TR fans, I've been a repeat customer for years. Even buying the games for different platforms. And re-buying them on Steam. So, a fan will spend more on TR games and merchandise than non-fans. Also, fans do cosplay and art that keeps the franchise in the public's eye. Free advertisement basically. The enthusiasm draws others in. The franchise has made it to it's 10th game because of fans not the opposite.

How many people do you think buy the game on multiple platform? Again even if every single registered member here bought one extra copy that would still only be just an extra 50k copies. You have to be rather hardcore to spend money on a game that you already own, and let's face it the hardcore audience is small.

Sorry, but cosplaying leads to nowhere IMO. It's nice if someone decides to dress up like their favourite hero/heroine, but from what I experienced cosplay provoked nothing else, but "I came here to see tits" Otherwise cosplaying pop culture only really caters for other cosplayers and sadly that's a small number.

If I dressed up as... well, as anyone, I would be ridiculed by everybody around me. My parents, my brother, my friends. Everyone...

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That's why I get frustrated with "fans" who think the franchise has to become something else all together in order to sell. That's a bunch of garbage. I think most games sell below targeted sales figures. That doesn't mean the model is bad and needs to be completely revamped. It just means that not every game is going to appeal to all audiences and there for game developers need to accept that. That's why I like indy game companies. Their focus is on the product and not purely on sales figures. They aren't trying to appeal to everyone.

Those "fans" can have their opinions. Since when is your opinion any more correct or better than theirs? As I said, I have no idea where the series is going. TR'13 had it's flaws, but I'm happy the franchise is still around.

Anyway do you think the game doesn't appeal to the general audiences then it should be ditched? Because that's what I understood from that. You act like as if TR haven't already fallen into that trap. My favourite is TRIII, but you can't deny the fact that it sold less than TRII or TRI and TR4 sold even less. Plus, anyway TRI didn't even have a fanbase at first. So obviously it was developed for the general audiences. It was definitely not an indy game.

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Originally Posted by EscondeR

^ Perfectly stated

But in case of certain someones will fall on fruitless badland

Oh, I'm playing the mind games again... Sorry, I'm not responsible for the lack of imagination of those certain someones.

Damn, I can't come up with such an eloquent and passively aggressive reply like this. :/

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Originally Posted by EscondeR

V Oh, yeah... You're talking about those who think that "Homo Sapiens" is a reference to homosexuals I guess

Those are hardly everyone though.

Okay, I have no idea what the **** you are talking about. I don't know if it's your English or mine, or both. But to avoid future confusion, I would like to kindly ask you to use common language. You know the stuff they use in everyday life. It seems like you're trying to sound like a phylosopher/poet from the ancient times, to me anyway, but quite frankly it's not working.

Edit2: Oh, right. So that 'V' was an arrow downwards. Her we go again with the bullying. What I stated above. Since you seem to think you are so much more intelligent than us, then you should maybe acknowledge the fact that this is going nowhere. Thanks.

Zebra · 07-08-13, 19:37

I think Guardian of Light gives us a pretty good idea of what would happen if the franchise ever ended up in the hands of an indie dev.

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EscondeR Sage Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 51,185	^ Perfectly stated But in case of certain someones will fall on fruitless badland Oh, I'm playing the mind games again... Sorry, I'm not responsible for the lack of imagination of those certain someones. V Oh, yeah... You're talking about those who think that "Homo Sapiens" is a reference to homosexuals I guess Those are hardly everyone though. __________________ The Truth is out there... Last edited by EscondeR; 07-08-13 at 19:18.

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Zebra Legend Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 26,630	I think Guardian of Light gives us a pretty good idea of what would happen if the franchise ever ended up in the hands of an indie dev. __________________ Wozu zuhören, wenn man reden kann?

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_Ninja_ Professor Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,806	So we know from one of CDs podcasts that originally Lara would have to sacrifice Sam. But focus testers didn't like it and so it was changed. Same thing with white ledges. One interview I read said people were getting lost, hence I assume all the hints were implemented. In that light I found this *very spoilerific* The Last of Us interview interesting: The final ending, however, initially "tested very poorly," Druckmann says, with focus testers - and some of the team - complaining about it feeling "unclear" and "anticlimactic". They didn't change it however. If there is anything CD should learn from ND it's the above. Focus testers suck the soul out of things if you let them. Always have, games or movies.

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Hairhelmet12 Inactive Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Springfield, Ohio. Gender: Male Posts: 10,209	You can't fault everyone else for not understanding the tongues that you speak in half of the time. Can we get this thread back on track now? You guys have derailed it for like 7 pages.