TR3 Appreciation Thread - Page 27

fallenangle · 19-04-23, 13:41

Yes that's a tricky area for no damage, particularly if going for secrets as well.

Its not really a spoiler but at one point you're deliberately dropped back into the water and I can't even guess the number of times I've had LC hit immediately by a poison dart on both no medipack and no scratch runs, forcing a restart.

That's on PC and using saves so doing a whole level without medipacks or saving = tough challenge.

Then even when you've completed that area that's likely only a third of the level done.

Good luck.

Elmer · 19-04-23, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenangle

Yes that's a tricky area for no damage, particularly if going for secrets as well.

Its not really a spoiler but at one point you're deliberately dropped back into the water and I can't even guess the number of times I've had LC hit immediately by a poison dart on both no medipack and no scratch runs, forcing a restart.

That's on PC and using saves so doing a whole level without medipacks or saving = tough challenge.

Then even when you've completed that area that's likely only a third of the level done.

Good luck.

Thank you! Only a third? I had no idea. That’s how long it’s been since I have gotten beyond this point. I don’t think that I’ll actually get through the game this way, but I am hopeful about Temple Ruins. I’ve never tried a no scratch run of any TR. If I’d do one, I would start with TRII and save at every corner.
As for secrets in TRIII, even in the first two levels I never found all of them. I’m still looking though. I won’t look anything up nowadays, but when I was little I wasn’t so strict (although I tried to be) and even before that I watched as my father played through some of the levels. That’s how I got in to Tomb Raider (II) at the age of six. Anyway, what I wanted to say is, my knowledge of the game is still surprisingly spotty, and I’m not even certain why I know some of the things that I do. That must be how a palimpsest must feel.

Elmer · 21-04-23, 13:18

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Originally Posted by fallenangle

Its not really a spoiler but at one point you're deliberately dropped back into the water and I can't even guess the number of times I've had LC hit immediately by a poison dart on both no medipack and no scratch runs, forcing a restart.

After three days’ practice I can get to that point fairly consistently, but I haven’t figured out yet how to drop down safely. Based on what you said, I’m guessing that it’s a chancy affair.

fallenangle · 22-04-23, 01:27

Hang from the edge and then pull LC up again.

Just hanging from an edge provokes enemies to attack in all sorts of place throughout the old TRs. It is more dangerous when they can shoot LC at range so you have to guess the right time to pull her back up.

See 3hrs 10mins 40secs in this YT video (contains secrets spoilers):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roi2UelYGsU

instead of dropping back to the floor where she draws the pistols stay in the passageway, hang from the edge and pull LC back up quickly and then draw. Try to lock on to Skater Kid when he's skating away from her position.

Hanging over a long drop in any of the old TRs enemies will attack her shadow on the floor.

That can actually be a no scratch problem in some places like the drop into the wolf infested room in Tomb Of Qualopec. There's no angle to shoot down and as you have to hang drop to avoid damage and the moment the LC's shadow appears on the floor the wolves head straight for it making it very difficult to deal with them unscathed.

jeffrey van oort · 12-06-23, 09:09

Happy Anniversary Tomb Raider.

Elmer · 22-09-23, 21:13

Today I finally made it through Temple Ruins without saves

My plan was to do it without medipacks too, but I haven't managed that yet. The drop back into the pool area with the poisonous darts is the crux.

---
I had an epiphany while writing this and had to go back to check something!

What I wanted to say was that I had no way of dropping back into the poison dart pool without well-nigh always getting poisoned, which would ruin a no-meds run. What I invariably did was swim into the room, climb up the platforms, go through the room with the swords and crystal, move the blocks, pull the lever, outrun the boulders, and then drop down into the pool from there. It never occurred to me before just now to *turn around* and *go back the way I came*. This is incredible to me. I can see now how obvious it is, but for all this time – and I did at least fifty serious attempts since April – I have been blind to the possibility.

At least four out of five runs ended, I'd wager, by falling onto that poison dart. Now that I have found a sure way to deal with it, my chances for a no-medipack, no-saves play-through of Temple Ruins are looking a lot better :3

It was bad before. The few times I was lucky enough to avoid that poison dart, I would most probably die in the spiked wall room with the Ganesha key or after that to the spiked ceiling near the end of the level. The one time I survived all that, I still died to spikes and an unexpected current. I kept making the same mistakes later in the level, because I couldn't practice those parts without saving. At first I would reload as soon as the poison dart hit. It took many tries before I decided that most failed attempts could still serve as practice runs. And today I even made a save for that purpose. To be able to practice the spiked ceiling room with the key more often than once every half hour or so.

First I overcame the treacherous snake platform, then I learned how to consistently outrun the boulders and some of the moving spikes. There are things I still cannot do without fail, but now that I can safely avoid that poison dart, things are looking bright again. Tomorrow I will continue with good hopes of making it through

Elmer · 23-09-23, 12:21

I finally did it!

Onwards and upwards!

fallenangle · 24-09-23, 14:35

Well done; it is always satisfying when you finish a TR area or level successfully.

Elmer · 24-09-23, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenangle

Well done; it is always satisfying when you finish a TR area or level successfully.

Thanks! I hope I'll be able to keep this up

Quote:

Originally Posted by fallenangle

Its not really a spoiler but at one point you're deliberately dropped back into the water and I can't even guess the number of times I've had LC hit immediately by a poison dart on both no medipack and no scratch runs, forcing a restart.

So, you have also struggled with that particular poison dart, right? Does that mean that I'm not the only one who didn't think of turning around after pulling that lever?

fallenangle · 26-09-23, 11:20

You'll have to remind me - which lever?

I'm guessing you mean after the block moving puzzle instead of going down the slope chased by the boulders you actually go back the way you came.

You can then drop down into the water and avoid the darts just as you did on the swim into that area.

That is indeed a solution and, if I recall correctly, you don't miss any pickups.

The only problem I have with that is you've usually blocked the way back getting to the lever. So you're going to have to do even more block pulling and pushing but it does avoid the problem mentioned.

22-04-23, 01:27	#264
fallenangle Archaeologist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NW London Posts: 2,112	Hang from the edge and then pull LC up again. Just hanging from an edge provokes enemies to attack in all sorts of place throughout the old TRs. It is more dangerous when they can shoot LC at range so you have to guess the right time to pull her back up. See 3hrs 10mins 40secs in this YT video (contains secrets spoilers):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roi2UelYGsU instead of dropping back to the floor where she draws the pistols stay in the passageway, hang from the edge and pull LC back up quickly and then draw. Try to lock on to Skater Kid when he's skating away from her position. Hanging over a long drop in any of the old TRs enemies will attack her shadow on the floor. That can actually be a no scratch problem in some places like the drop into the wolf infested room in Tomb Of Qualopec. There's no angle to shoot down and as you have to hang drop to avoid damage and the moment the LC's shadow appears on the floor the wolves head straight for it making it very difficult to deal with them unscathed. Last edited by fallenangle; 22-04-23 at 01:31.

12-06-23, 09:09	#265
jeffrey van oort Relic Hunter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,540	Happy Anniversary Tomb Raider. __________________ Flames would not be eternal if they could dissolve.

22-09-23, 21:13	#266
Elmer Archaeologist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,160	Today I finally made it through Temple Ruins without saves My plan was to do it without medipacks too, but I haven't managed that yet. The drop back into the pool area with the poisonous darts is the crux. --- I had an epiphany while writing this and had to go back to check something! What I wanted to say was that I had no way of dropping back into the poison dart pool without well-nigh always getting poisoned, which would ruin a no-meds run. What I invariably did was swim into the room, climb up the platforms, go through the room with the swords and crystal, move the blocks, pull the lever, outrun the boulders, and then drop down into the pool from there. It never occurred to me before just now to turn around and go back the way I came. This is incredible to me. I can see now how obvious it is, but for all this time – and I did at least fifty serious attempts since April – I have been blind to the possibility. At least four out of five runs ended, I'd wager, by falling onto that poison dart. Now that I have found a sure way to deal with it, my chances for a no-medipack, no-saves play-through of Temple Ruins are looking a lot better :3 It was bad before. The few times I was lucky enough to avoid that poison dart, I would most probably die in the spiked wall room with the Ganesha key or after that to the spiked ceiling near the end of the level. The one time I survived all that, I still died to spikes and an unexpected current. I kept making the same mistakes later in the level, because I couldn't practice those parts without saving. At first I would reload as soon as the poison dart hit. It took many tries before I decided that most failed attempts could still serve as practice runs. And today I even made a save for that purpose. To be able to practice the spiked ceiling room with the key more often than once every half hour or so. First I overcame the treacherous snake platform, then I learned how to consistently outrun the boulders and some of the moving spikes. There are things I still cannot do without fail, but now that I can safely avoid that poison dart, things are looking bright again. Tomorrow I will continue with good hopes of making it through __________________ If I was you I would do the very same thing... 68th GROWLer!

23-09-23, 12:21	#267
Elmer Archaeologist Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,160	I finally did it! Onwards and upwards! __________________ If I was you I would do the very same thing... 68th GROWLer!

19-04-23, 13:41	#261
fallenangle Archaeologist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NW London Posts: 2,112	Yes that's a tricky area for no damage, particularly if going for secrets as well. Its not really a spoiler but at one point you're deliberately dropped back into the water and I can't even guess the number of times I've had LC hit immediately by a poison dart on both no medipack and no scratch runs, forcing a restart. That's on PC and using saves so doing a whole level without medipacks or saving = tough challenge. Then even when you've completed that area that's likely only a third of the level done. Good luck.

24-09-23, 14:35	#268
fallenangle Archaeologist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NW London Posts: 2,112	Well done; it is always satisfying when you finish a TR area or level successfully.

26-09-23, 11:20	#270
fallenangle Archaeologist Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NW London Posts: 2,112	You'll have to remind me - which lever? I'm guessing you mean after the block moving puzzle instead of going down the slope chased by the boulders you actually go back the way you came. You can then drop down into the water and avoid the darts just as you did on the swim into that area. That is indeed a solution and, if I recall correctly, you don't miss any pickups. The only problem I have with that is you've usually blocked the way back getting to the lever. So you're going to have to do even more block pulling and pushing but it does avoid the problem mentioned.