Using Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 in one level

Masked Goon · 17-02-21, 08:43

Hey

I want to use two custom baddies in one level. However, every time Baddy_2 is in the .wad, Baddy_1's head starts spinning as soon as he's active. Other than that he works fine.

I am aware that this is a known problem, because both baddies share the same meshtree and animations, but I wanted to ask if, using TRNG magic, there's a way to get around this problem? Maybe by making baddy_2 use another slot or something?

Cheers!

Krystian · 17-02-21, 10:32

I'm afraid there's no way to do this, because enemy characteristics are tied to slots. It's not really the animations and stateIDs which decide the behavior of the enemy, but the state control that's part of the engine.
Making Baddy_2 use another slot and having it work 100% identical (e.g by using the AssignSlot= script) would necessitate having the original Baddy_2 in the Baddy_2 slot anyway, because the overwritten slot gets its animations from there. And this will still cause the issue, because both Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 would be present in the wad.

You may try doing AssignSlot= Baddy_1, Baddy_2 and see if this gets you anywhere. But this will only be valid if they don't have big differences in behavior and just have a different textures / mesh appearance.

Masked Goon · 17-02-21, 18:53

Aww that's too bad

I tried what you suggested, but it did not work. Ah well, if there is no other way I'll manage somehow.

Thank you!

Mulf · 17-02-21, 20:43

I'll admit that it's rare you see both BADDY_1 and BADDY_2 in the same level, but I recently played Osvaldo's Day on the Train, which used both simultaneously, and i didn't notice any such glitches. Are you sure you're using both meshswaps, and in the correct slots?

Richard_trle · 18-02-21, 02:45

I was about to say that, I have both Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 in my wad and I have no issues

even though I'm not using them simultaneously I have no glitches

If you want to use both, they need the meshwaps and they most contain the same or a similar structure of meshes.

The animation is also a shame, because Baddy_1 is going to use Baddy_2 animations

17-02-21, 08:43	#1
Masked Goon Student Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 102	Using Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 in one level Hey I want to use two custom baddies in one level. However, every time Baddy_2 is in the .wad, Baddy_1's head starts spinning as soon as he's active. Other than that he works fine. I am aware that this is a known problem, because both baddies share the same meshtree and animations, but I wanted to ask if, using TRNG magic, there's a way to get around this problem? Maybe by making baddy_2 use another slot or something? Cheers!

17-02-21, 10:32	#2
Krystian Archaeologist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,085	I'm afraid there's no way to do this, because enemy characteristics are tied to slots. It's not really the animations and stateIDs which decide the behavior of the enemy, but the state control that's part of the engine. Making Baddy_2 use another slot and having it work 100% identical (e.g by using the AssignSlot= script) would necessitate having the original Baddy_2 in the Baddy_2 slot anyway, because the overwritten slot gets its animations from there. And this will still cause the issue, because both Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 would be present in the wad. You may try doing AssignSlot= Baddy_1, Baddy_2 and see if this gets you anywhere. But this will only be valid if they don't have big differences in behavior and just have a different textures / mesh appearance.

17-02-21, 18:53	#3
Masked Goon Student Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 102	Aww that's too bad I tried what you suggested, but it did not work. Ah well, if there is no other way I'll manage somehow. Thank you!

17-02-21, 20:43	#4
Mulf Archaeologist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,208	I'll admit that it's rare you see both BADDY_1 and BADDY_2 in the same level, but I recently played Osvaldo's Day on the Train, which used both simultaneously, and i didn't notice any such glitches. Are you sure you're using both meshswaps, and in the correct slots?

18-02-21, 02:45	#5
Richard_trle Explorer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brazil Posts: 615	I was about to say that, I have both Baddy_1 and Baddy_2 in my wad and I have no issues even though I'm not using them simultaneously I have no glitches If you want to use both, they need the meshwaps and they most contain the same or a similar structure of meshes. The animation is also a shame, because Baddy_1 is going to use Baddy_2 animations