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Old 18-03-23, 21:32   #1001
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Or the underground leader dude being upset he can’t masturbate anymore and asks Lara for some help with that embalming fluid?

TR3 really was something else! Hahaha
I've just looked up the bit you're referring to, I don't think it's means what you think it means!

I'm presuming you're referring to the bit where the Geordie man says: "For rotten flesh, you cannae whack it, man". ??

It's an expression from the region in the UK he's meant to be from that means you can't beat it. It's the best.

So it just means, for rotten flesh, the embalming fluid is the best.

Unless you mean something else?
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Old 18-03-23, 21:46   #1002
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Or the underground leader dude being upset he can’t masturbate anymore and asks Lara for some help with that embalming fluid?

TR3 really was something else! Hahaha
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I've just looked up the bit you're referring to, I don't think it's means what you think it means!

I'm presuming you're referring to the bit where the Geordie man says: "For rotten flesh, you cannae whack it, man". ??

It's an expression from the region in the UK he's meant to be from that means you can't beat it. It's the best.
So it just means, for rotten flesh, the embalming fluid is the best.
Unless you mean something else?
I never thought of that
The dialogue in TR3 in particular is really strange. Like everyone is speaking a different English dialect to the point of them being practically different languages but somehow everyone understands eachother perfectly. Some sci-fi galaxy traversal stuff

TR3 is an outlier.. for whatever reason I kind of think of it and AoD as a pair of dark oddballs.
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Old 18-03-23, 23:11   #1003
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I've just looked up the bit you're referring to, I don't think it's means what you think it means!

I'm presuming you're referring to the bit where the Geordie man says: "For rotten flesh, you cannae whack it, man". ??

It's an expression from the region in the UK he's meant to be from that means you can't beat it. It's the best.

So it just means, for rotten flesh, the embalming fluid is the best.

Unless you mean something else?
You mean for years Iíve been thinking it was referring to masturbation but itís really just regional slang for something else? Hahahaha oh man, thank you for enlightening me
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Old 18-03-23, 23:38   #1004
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You mean for years Iíve been thinking it was referring to masturbation but itís really just regional slang for something else? Hahahaha oh man, thank you for enlightening me
Lol.

I think they might have been having a sly joke too, for those that could hear it unlike me (it never even crossed my mind until I read your post! ). But it is a legit expression for the region of the UK that that person is meant to be from and I'm sure the polite meaning is the "canon" one for the game.
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Old 19-03-23, 00:14   #1005
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Despite everyone claiming this is "woke", I feel that the opposite is true. The traditional male gamer simply has no idea what to do with a female character that doesn't need a man's approval or protection.
I disagree with this. It doesn't explain why so many people dislike her if that's the case.

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Suddenly? Not really, its always been an issue...but never made it more mainstream.

Well of course Developers take a stance on it...its what creators do.
They take a stance on issues and put it into their content, that is not new.

I mean we are literally sitting here in a Forum about a character that was created by people who took a stance on the topic of Females in Gaming.
They literally admitted that they created Lara to tackle the problem in gaming.

If this is the kind of stuff that pisses people off, then they are here in the absolutely wrong community because Lara herself is Creators taking a stance on a political and social issue.

Of course people disagree, that some just want nothing more than a Power Fantasy from Lara Croft...is no secret nor is that a problem for me.
But i want more from the character and her World, want it to expand and be used to its full potential.
I prefer when politics in games don't punch down on people in order to make a point. Did people complain about Lara being a female protagonist in a video game back then? I wouldn't know. I mean they can just ignore said game, no?

But this is different. Why make the game where you want to push a message about protecting artifacts and all that stuff called "TOMB RAIDER"? This brings me back to the issue where they just couldn't abandon the IP even though they wanted to do something else.

Imagine if FFVII had the same environmental message it did, but instead the protagonist is President Shinra.
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Old 19-03-23, 00:58   #1006
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What do people think protecting artefacts means anyway? Stopping the bad guys getting a hold of them and using them for bad reasons such as raising monstrous armies, destroying / remaking the world / some other bad guy reason. Isn't that what Lara has done all along? Even if it was more of an extra thing on top of her wanting the artefacts for herself. I doubt CD will be changing that on the most part. Lara's taken the artefacts home with her in the Survivor trilogy and CD considered her to be protecting the artefacts in those games too. And if I remember correctly, at the end of Shadow, she said that mysteries are for protecting and the best way to keep a mystery/myth protected is to keep quiet about it. She told about her adventure on Yamatai and got called Crazy Croft, so she set out to find more proof only to realise the best way was to destroy the artefact - which ended up killing the Deathless and Jacob died, so there was no more proof to show and in Shadow she was just set on stopping Trinity from their evil plans/ways. Honestly, I just think they'll be sticking to that kind of thing for the future. Looking for myths and legends, finding they're real but leaving them to stay 'lost' or whatever and stopping the baddies.
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What do people think protecting artefacts means anyway? Stopping the bad guys getting
a hold of them and using them for bad reason such as raising monstrous armies, destroying / remaking the world / some other bad guy reason. Isn't that what Lara has done all along? Even if it was more of an extra thing on top of her wanting the artefacts for herself. I doubt CD will be changing that on the most part. Lara's taken the artefacts home with her in the Survivor trilogy and CD considered her to be protecting the artefacts in that game too.
EXACTLY. I don't understand why the most recent games were so controversial in that aspect when the classic games had the (eventual) goals of stopping the villains who were using the artifacts for evil purposes.
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Classic Lara liked treasure, reboot Lara has some sort of savior complex. And she seemed to destroy way more ancient architecture along the way

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May as well say "Only my opinion matters".. less wordy, less false apprehension about seeing your perceptive as being the highest one.
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Old 19-03-23, 04:20   #1009
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What do people think protecting artefacts means anyway? Stopping the bad guys getting a hold of them and using them for bad reasons such as raising monstrous armies, destroying / remaking the world / some other bad guy reason. Isn't that what Lara has done all along? Even if it was more of an extra thing on top of her wanting the artefacts for herself. I doubt CD will be changing that on the most part. Lara's taken the artefacts home with her in the Survivor trilogy and CD considered her to be protecting the artefacts in those games too. And if I remember correctly, at the end of Shadow, she said that mysteries are for protecting and the best way to keep a mystery/myth protected is to keep quiet about it. She told about her adventure on Yamatai and got called Crazy Croft, so she set out to find more proof only to realise the best way was to destroy the artefact - which ended up killing the Deathless and Jacob died, so there was no more proof to show and in Shadow she was just set on stopping Trinity from their evil plans/ways. Honestly, I just think they'll be sticking to that kind of thing for the future. Looking for myths and legends, finding they're real but leaving them to stay 'lost' or whatever and stopping the baddies.
Classic Lara does good as well as bad, but she doesn't speak pretty words to promote her own justice.
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I prefer when politics in games don't punch down on people in order to make a point. Did people complain about Lara being a female protagonist in a video game back then? I wouldn't know. I mean they can just ignore said game, no?

But this is different. Why make the game where you want to push a message about protecting artifacts and all that stuff called "TOMB RAIDER"? This brings me back to the issue where they just couldn't abandon the IP even though they wanted to do something else.

Imagine if FFVII had the same environmental message it did, but instead the protagonist is President Shinra.
On who do they punch down? On those that like to play as bad guys?

We are living in the timeline where whiny gamer boys...no whiny everything boys are unable to just ignore stuff they dont like.
We have a whole subgroup of people posing as content creators on youtube that have literally nothing else but the whining about something they would easily be able to ignore.

Of course people complained back in the day, but we werent connected this much to see this all...also Eidos promoted Lara in a certain way that made it less "strong badass woman" and more "Hot and sexy woman" for the insecure gamer boys.

And i mean she still is raiding Tombs either way.
Even real life Archeologists etc are Raiding Tombs because they still take away Artifacts etc...open Coffins to disturb the dead and all that.
Lara giving away the Artifacts she never had any purpose for after she got them...doesnt change that.
Lara in canon has no interest in the Artifacts after she has gotten them...the whole point of TR is the idea of Lara going to these locations for sport, not because she sees any value in the artifacts.
For Lara its the fun in getting to them, not having them.
It makes no difference if she keeps them or not.

They wanted and want to make Games about Lara Croft the Female Adventurer...and thats what they do.

I have absolutely no idea about FF and i dont care.
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